#fiction is fiction and censorship is bad Etc

[velvetvexations]

As the person who was responded to about omegaverse, I want to clarify that I am not pro censorship at all and I think omegaverse has a right to exist unhindered. However, it is similar to any other media in that it is still important to analyse how media reflects cultural biases. Like, for example, it is true that a lot of commercial lesbian porn is created specifically with the male gaze in mind (as in the genuine analysis tool) rather than being targeted towards lesbians themselves, for example, and how that shows that there is a genuine social issue where the concept of heterosexual men is prioritized and women are considered objects for men's consumption. but that does not mean porn is bad or this kind of porn should just inherently not exist, it just represents an aspect of misogyny and lesbophobia in society and how institutions will value the concept of what heterosexual men want over lesbian realities. It is a way to analyse how society conducts itself sexually and what is normalized by groups.

And I'm not talking about pwp or anything either. I'm talking primarily about long form narrative that has a whole, quite common trope of, effectively, correctively raping transmasculinised subjects and treating it as a net positive for the character. But i would never call for it to be banned or restricted. I only know this shit because I read it. I can only say that I know certain trends cause I've read hundreds of thousands of words of omegaverse that ranges from pwp to long dramatic stories that explore gender and society to bodice rippers. Omegaverse deserves to exist and can be a fun and compelling genre even when it has underlying messages that are not positive

But that does not mean that it cannot reflect real societal biases.

Its the same as any art that has problematic elements. Whether the author means to say "there is a specific role that men who can bear children play in society and any deviation from that is self denial or lying and needs to be addressed sexually by a more dominant man who can put that person in their place and they will be happier once they accept their role as homemaker/submissive/broodmare" or not, that is the message that a lot of omegaverse has. Transandrophobic tropes don't make a genre toxic or bad or even a specific work bad or wrong, but they still exist. They still reflect the pervasive idea of putting the transmasculinised subject in their place. I enjoy "girl dressed as a boy to do x thing only men can do and she has a wacky adventure before settling down and being gender confirming and heterosexual" as much as the next person, but that doesn't make it not a transandrophobic narrative device.

And for omegaverse specifically? It might not register to an average cis reader that they are reading something with an inherently transphobic message (biology is the be all end all of what you are) because cis people don't think about those things, and it's never framed as a trans issue because it isn't in the boundaries of the verse. Unless you think about it. And people don't think enough about their passive media consumption in my personal opinion. Which isn't a sin or anything, but I think most people would benefit from noticing how much bigoted background noise there is in literally everything.

It's not dissimilar, in my eyes, to misgendering or detransition kink or any other kink that deals directly with social issues such as race play, etc: it should not be censored and can be an important aspect of people's lives, mental health, or just plain fun, but people who are not directly impacted by biases (and even those who are) can and will use it as an excuse to harm marginalised people or as confirmation that that harmful beliefs are justified. I am into CNC and the kind of kinks people scaremonger about. I enjoy and consume fiction with genuinely concerning topics the kind I don't even wanna mention on anon. But I also promote and participate in kink education events and know how important it is to engage mindfully with things. Which doesn't mean banning it. It means bringing attention to the implications and providing background and encouraging introspection. Education alongside.

Like how people should get their sex ed from reputable sources rather than assuming porn will be accurate to real life, or else they're likely to end up in trouble. Critique of how the genre reflects social norms around sexism, misogyny, and transandrophobia can and must coexist with the fun

Media is social messaging. That is why advertising works and how people end up with insecurities from the fact that television only shows conventionally attractive people as good people if non conventionally attractive people exist at all etc. I am a strong proponent of fiction is not one to one reality. But same as how video games don't cause violence, but the kind of social spaces around them are radicalising for the far right because of the culture and how many games shifting to being "us military killing civilians in the middle east" themed post 9/11, there can be nuance beyond "this thing is bad and directly causes social issues and must be banned". Omegaverse is not the cause of transandrophobia, but a lot of it shows the symptoms

Anyway I'll get off my "omegaverse reader who also thinks we should maybe think critically about how common tropes that would be recognised as what they are if they weren't centered around an au" soapbox.

(and none of this even touches on how omegaverse, like f*ta stuff as was compared before, directly feeds interpersonal and social intersexism by conflating fictional bigenetialia with intersex bodies and encouraging fetushization)

Omegaverse Anon again, just saying a thank you miss velvet for allowing us to have this discussion in your ask box because I don't vibe with using my own account to have this kind of discussion lest I find myself accosted by shit I don't want to deal with (and this isn't against the person who responded who I don't think would be shitty about it in the slightest, this is just I have seen people get doxed because they've had milquetoast opinions on fiction and I simply do not have the energy for that in my life)

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[queer-talmid]

this game is going to get people written up for sexual harassment

Main character just said the harder the better in response to an instructor telling her he’s going to work her hard

[manicpixieyandere]

Why Censorship Is Bad

An Essay On The Dangers Of Censorship

Hello everyone. We keep seeing a lot of takes online (mainly Twitter and TikTok) talking about how there needs to be censorship on taboo subjects. We wanted to share some reasons why that may not be as great an idea as you may think.

The taboo subjects now adays are usually sexual in nature. Kinks, incest, loli/shota, etc, a lot of people want to ban. A talking point we've heard a few times is that if people see this stuff in fiction then they'll start to like it and change the way their brain is wired. This is THE EXACT talking points conservatives had when videos games first came out, calling them violent and the cause of school shootings. More importantly for this essay, this is what happened as well when movies first came out.

When movies first came out there was an outcry from the public to have more moral films. In fear of both loosing an audience and being censored by the government (as movies were too new to be protected by law) film studios adopted The Hays Code, self censorship basically. The Hays Code censored the stuff people wanted gone sure, extreme violence, sex, excessive use of drugs, but that's not where the censorship stopped.

Amongst things banned in The Hays Code were queer people / relationships, and interracial relationships. When you open the floodgates to censorship, who decides what's moral and what's not? This is exactly what would happen again. You say no sex, the law may hear no queers. And lately, they'd sure love that opportunity!

So what do we do instead? It's completely fair if you're triggered by certain subjects in media or just plain old don't want to see them. That's fine. What people can do to help is properly tag stuff. For example the tag system in AO3 is there for a reason, USE IT. If you see someone online making something you don't like, block them, but don't harass them. You have a right to block them, just as they have a right to create. Trigger warnings have become a bit more common place beyond fanfiction too. They're in some books, shows, and video games now.

Censorship is a slippery slope, one that in our current day we really don't need. Don't let the government have more tools to erase you.

[olderthannetfic]

I always see people reminiscing about the Good Ole Days and about how antis are a new thing but. . .is that really true? Or am I just being autistic and taking things too literally, and they just mean it's way more of a common debate now than it used to be before, and that the landscape of shipwank has changed?

Idk, it's like I constantly hear about fandom wank and shipwars and censorship from decades ago, and yes I know "shipping/doxxing/censorship has always existed" can co exist with "antis are new" but I think there's still a bit of a comprehension gap on my end.

am i just dumb? What am I missing here? FWIW - I do feel like the context of "anti" has definitely changed. Back in early 2010s tumblr (I cannot speak of other website/platforms) I remember that tagging something as #Anti Donkey Kong didn't mean you think DK is an evil abusive monster and that everyone who likes him/mains him is also an evil abusive monster and that Nintendo is pushing the evil abusive monster agenda. #Anti Donkey Kong would just be character bashing, wank, letting out your grievances about how ugly DK is, etc, but it was really just a tag used for your own personal opinions (and for DK fans to filter out). Whereas now #Anti Donkey Kong would mean please go die and delete all your accounts if you support DK.

So I definitely know that "anti" has a way more intense definition now than it used to - but for some reason I find it a bit hard to grasp just how new this whole anti thing even is in the firstplace. It honestly makes me sad that I've never seen a pre-anti internet, assuming there really was a time before antis.

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Antis are new. Specifically, the "Conservative Protestantism in a gay hat" thing that that one tumblr post pointed out is new.

We had doxxing in the past. We had masses of shipwank. We also had "How dare you write that m/m ship. It's bad!"

The key is that the "Your m/m ship is bad" crowd used to openly be conservative Christian homophobes who objected to homosexuality itself. Nowadays, they're queer 20-somethings who like m/m ships but object to gay sex.

It's the anti-kink, anti-fantasy brigade coming from "our side" instead of the outside, essentially. It's respectability politics about "Sempai will love me if I just sanitize The Community and kick out the icky weirdos". It's personal disgust masquerading as morality where once it would have been masquerading as intellectual superiority.

It's a product of queerness being more public and tolerated overall. In the past, a lot of spaces devoted to m/m shipping had to be aggressively in favor of contentious fiction because the existence of anything m/m was itself contentious. There was plenty of "Well, my gay best friend said ___ is unrealistic, and my slash is good, unlike that of you plebes!" There was much less "Fujoshi means fetishizer".

Of course, I'm comparing the 90s internet to now or the mid 00s Livejournal fandom to Tumblr of this past decade. It really depends on whether Ye Olden Times was five years ago or twenty five.

The modern use of the term 'anti' did indeed grow out of the old habit of tagging your hate. As the default cultural mode shifted from "My NOTP is dumb" to "My NOTP is problematic", the usage changed. At some point, antis started getting offended by their self-applied term and pretending that the other side inflicted it on them. This is revisionism. Fiction-is-not-reality had some writeups with citations in the past.

The big shifts were happening around 2012-2016. The long slide into puritywankers being everywhere has only continued since then, but that's where the tipping point seems to have been. TikTok exacerbates this nonsense, and there are clearly plenty of people who are anti-queer and only weaponizing clueless queer youth.

The big shift is that liking m/m used to weed out most of the worst people, and now it attracts lots of them who will not fucking go away because they like the same ship, just the hand-holdy, no dicks can touch ever version.

They spend their time bleating about how AO3 should have been built for them and how anti-censorship activism doesn't matter... because they've grown up in a fandom world dominated by AO3, which shelters them from the reality that the "Ewww, all m/m sucks!" crowd is everywhere on other sites to this day.

That's probably why the shift is when it is. Certain aspects of mainstream queer acceptance were on the rise just as AO3 was getting big. But at the same time, the world is shit and everyone has anxiety they self-medicate through rage and security theater around sniffing out The Bad People.

[damnfandomproblems]

Fandom Problem #7105:

The thing that annoys me about the "proship is bad!" bullshit, surprisingly isn't the censorship aspect, but the fact the definition has been completely warped by censorship advocates so that now, most people don't realize it just means "I don't condone censorship, and I don't condone bullying people over what media they like and or create". They don't realize the "pro" means "in support of" (in this case, in support of freedom of fiction). Instead, they make a wild reach and assume it's shorthand for "problematic", just because chronically online assholes see "problematic" aspects in everything so that's the first thing that jumped to their mind when they saw the "pro" prefix, and since they've obstinately spread that definition around, now everyone thinks that's what proship means. Proship literally just means what I said above: not condoning censorship. Pro-fiction, pro-freedom to write, draw, etc fictional things. Anyone in the real world would understand what you mean by that, and most people regardless of what they personally like or hate reading, writing, watching, etc are technically proship, they just don't know the term "proship" exists because it's a fandom-only word. But if you say "I'm against censorship", which is what it means, they'd go "oh yeah, same". If they're a sensible person with critical thinking skills anyways. Okay end rant.

[cherrielatte]

genuine question do you even understand what a proshipper is ? like youre okay with people romanticizing pedophilia and shipping minors and adults ? you think thats okay?? GENUINE question.

Hello! Judging from the way you worded this - I'm gonna be honest: I don't think you know what proshipping is. I was very close to not answering this because it was sounding a bit in bad faith ( and this isn't the first time I've gotten belligerent asks on the same topic) But well, I decided to give it a shot and give benefit of the doubt.

 I know it's common ground to jump onto proshipping with the idea that it means you romanticize pedophilia, abuse, toxicity, etc. It's the typical high ground taken when people hear that dark fiction enjoyers exist. But that's not actually what it means. It just means that YOU, as an individual, understand that a drawing is not the same thing as human being. Written characters are not the same as human beings. Harassing REAL people over a non existent character because they put them into situations that make you uncomfortable says more about the harasser than the writer/artist. Proshipping is about taking personal responsibility for your experience online. Not long ago, the idea of a proshipper was just considered having fandom etiquette (ie: Don't like; Don't read type of tag lines. ) I'm a proshipper and there are plenty of things I don't like & make me uncomfortable. But I also understand that I can easily not engage. I can filter tags so I don't see it. I can block people that make that kind of content. I can refuse to click on something clearly labeled as the content I don't like. I can control what I see. And I can also understand that that if someone draws something I don't like it doesn't mean anything about them in real life nor what they enjoy in real life. Besides, a lot of people that consider themselves proshippers are victims of abuse or have had to endure traumatic events in their lives. Engaging in what you might consider dark fiction allows people to cope and navigate through complex emotion/trauma and express themselves in ways they are not allowed to or haven't allowed themselves to. I've seen some people say "I've been through trauma and I don't engage in proshipping." And okay, I'm happy for you. But not everyone copes the same way you do. And no one should be held to the same standard. If we were all carbon copies of each other, maybe I would understand that argument. But that's not the case. I should also mention, that it's become a bit standard for people to only excuse those that have been through trauma to make dark fiction. But only if they publicly acknowledge what kind of trauma they have endured. I am 100% against this way of thinking. I do not think it is anyone's right to demand an account of my or anyone's personal traumas just to validate the existence of certain piece of art. No one is entitled to anyone's abuse story. If a person is willing to share, because they want to, that's the personal decision of the individual. But look, much of the horror genre (movies, books, tv, etc) wouldn't exist if we put these high censorship rules onto art as a whole and unfortunately, I see this happening more and more these days like discussed in this post about someone's experience in publishing gothic horror.

Going back to an earlier point, you have to really understand that the characters are fake. 100% fake. If I ship Sora ( KH) and Ash (Pokemon) neither of them are going to be upset about it because they don't exist. If I draw them kissing, it is a drawing of anime looking characters kissing. That's all. They don't look anything like real human people. Wasting energy fighting over fictional characters is just that. Wasting time and energy. Who are you saving? Ash? Sora? They don't need help, because they aren't real. Fight for real people that actually exist. I have seen people outside of the Soriku fandom genuinely upset about people shipping Riku x Sora because they are underage! Mostly because they are both male but without fail, they always slap on the argument: "they are kids, you sicko!" But you know why they go to that? Because assuming the moral high ground wins over arguments quickly. People are eager to be superficially perceived as morally good. I have seen people ship Riku x Ansem SOD, which could fall into that age gap - problematic shipping you referred to in your ask. But you know what? I get it. I see people interpret their relationship as one of abuse, metaphorical SA, manipulation, etc. I completely understand and see that interpretation and where it stems from. And unfortunately, there are many people in fandom that have had this exact experience. Honestly, without me needing to ask anyone specifically, I KNOW there are people in fandom projecting their experiences onto Riku and Ansem as a means to replay it with a bit of actual control. And even if there are people who don't. I'm not going to ask, because it's none of my business. So again, as a proshipper I am completely in control of my online experience. I can block, mute, filter, and not engage with the things I don't like or things that trigger me. But as long as it is fiction, it remains as just that : Something I don't like between characters that dont exist. I don't have to harass, bully, nor threaten people over fiction. Of course, there are bad apples in every circle. But to me, whether someone is a bad person or not is expressed through action toward real people and the intentional harm done onto them, whether it be through inappropriate interactions, abuse of any kind, exposing personal information, harassing family/at work, or encouraging harm. Those are real actions on real people and engaging in these actions is what counts to me as markers of a bad person. Not someone drawing two fictional characters that haven't aged in the last 20 years kissing or having sex. 

[proshippers-against-censorship]

found a LONG post here on tumblr which has nothing to do with pro/anti discourse (inherently) but it talks about how many people who claim they're leftists are still buying into conservative mindsets

A lot of (often young) leftists here seem to oppose conservatism but don’t actually doubt many of the core principles of conservatism. This is especially obvious when looking at tactics or methods

1) Accepting Right wing Framing of Issues

I think censorship might fall into this. The whole "think of the children!" panic and how many conservatives talk about it, it's a complicated issue turned into a simple binary narrative.

So many leftists, rather than challenging the binary just accept it but invert it.

"Actually yeah censorship is really bad but it also like helps children and also gets rid off a lot of illegal material" instead of challenging censorship in itself and admitting that no, even if we censor and ban everything it'll never stop the demand for something, nor does it help children or victims in any way. What people fail to realize is that it's not just art that will be struck down, but any simple discussion of sensitive topics too.

We also have seen this firsthand when SESTA/FOSTA passed, rather than preventing the online exploitation of trafficked persons, these laws have hurt the people they intended to help, pushing sex workers and trafficking victims into more dangerous and exploitative situations.

2) The desire for everything bad to be traced back to a single unified source

a core part of rightist thought process is an embrace of intellectual simplicity and rejection of complexity. They like nice, simple narratives with clear bad guys (for example anyone who thinks people should be allowed to have creative freedom which idk antis somehow equate to being a pedophile?) and good guys and where they don’t have to imagine things in a more nuanced or complicated manner.

3) Utter lack of Nuance

you notice that they tend towards dramatic demonization. Anybody in their circle is good, and those that aren’t are pure evil. because again… complex thinking is literally antithetical to right wing thinking.

This could look like something like this: “oh i morally agree with this movie therefore it is good” or the inverse which is just the most simplistic way you can possibly view art

4) Embrace of Conspiracy Theories, Pseudo History, Pseudo Science etc

I think that one is a bit obvious too. The Right thrives on conspiracy theories, because again…facts don’t care about feelings. They always go to extremes where they just make up problems (like how all proshippers are pedophiles), or use scientific language to sound smart but in reality sounds more like "video games cause violence!"

Also seen a lot of antis claim the word "proship" was invented AFTER anti-shippers which... no? "Proship" was a response to the growing harassment in fandoms, and self named anti shippers came FIRST.

This goes from annoying to outright sinister when you take into account that some of them are willing to serve as apologists for certain horrific regimes (for example, antis celebrated Giorgia Meloni's approach towards "eradicating" pedophiles, ignoring the fact that she's a national conservative, that she opposes abortion and laws that recognize same-sex marriage. She's not after "pedophiles", she's after LGBTQ+ people)

5) Mob tactic

they deliberately artificially create mobs for the purpose of mass harassment. Antis and Gamergate are a lot more similar than they think

6) Not Checking Sources

Their "sources" either come from other tumblr posts, carrds or news report webistes which comment on statistics and what's happening but aren't really a good source or representation of their belief (that fiction always affects people's reality, and always in the same way). So instead of double checking... they love spreading utter bullshit, like screenshotting a google result and claiming it as "source"

7) They like fetishizing violence

I really don't like that word but man, antis love violence. They love it so much they talk in detail about it and think it comes without consequences. I'm not just talking about "regular" death threats but whole paragraphs about various ways to torture people

8) Dehumanization. 

The Right is basically evil, and the Republican are a death cult at this point, but even so quite a few elements of the left are just a bit too gleeful. 

And the thing about that militant mindset is that while it might be directed against bad people at first, it quickly can get corrupted.

Take RadFems for example, a group which is a great example of anti intellectualism, militancy and violence from the start.  It was this “with us or against us attitude” that lead many of them to go on to become TERFs because just hating (cis) men was no longer one of their priorities. 

There's a person on twt who keeps a whole gallery of antis who either sound the same as terfs or become terfs later on. I mean, most antis are exclus anyway, basically terfs lite

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[olenvasynyt]

Guys. Why are you complaining about something you know nothing about?

I have been in the fanbase for a few years and I have always had close mutuals who shipped Nyxlin, including of my friends I first met in 2022 who loved the idea of Nyx leaving Velaris when he’s an adult and sought out answers from Tamlin and ending up training with him. And I beg you guys to actually think before you post and accuse people of very serious crimes when 1. TAMLIN IS NOT FUCKING BABY NYX! and 2. THIS IS ALSO FUCKING FICTION.

The beauty of fanfiction is just that: FAN and FICTION. People age up characters. They age down characters. There are AUs and alternate timelines that have always been a thing in fanfiction. And the ship also doesn’t have to be sexual or even romantic. A lot of these fanfictions are about Tamlin being a mentor / trainer and father figure. They’re about Tamlin healing from the past, and Nyx understanding the very real biases the NC has. A lot can be political where it takes an anti-NC / anti-IC route and points out the bad stuff about the NC like the CON, Illyrian females, etc.

I don’t ship Nyxlin, but I can understand the angst and healing tropes that are tied to it. And if I get my friend talking about it with me? I nod and reply and let them enjoy it, because I know they are not a fucking pedo for reading fanfiction about Tamlin being a mentor / trainer to an 18 year old Nyx who ran away from home. Feyre and Rhys have a huge age gap, one thats even bigger than Nyxlin. That’s something that happens with these fantasy stories with fae and humans. So stop moral policing especially when you’re moving around the goalpost just because you personally don’t like something and STOP leaping to the worst possible term because it’s incredibly harmful.

And guess what? If you’re calling for censorship of certain materials, then I see you as the same as the conservatives in the US trying to ban books. 🤷‍♀️Writing fiction is not illegal. Aging up characters is not illegal.

[bihexualandferal]

I hate this stupid anti-ship or pro-ship discourse. It’s either “I will romanticize and post incest/pedophilia/rape/etc online in the most popular channels with no tags/warnings so everyone can see it, and they should just deal with it” or “Anyone who has ever even thought of these bad things with fictional characters should die.” can’t there just be a middle ground???? Like, there’s no such thing as art crime or thought crime, and people can make whatever they want or cope however they want, as long as it isn’t hurting anyone. Which it isn’t, it’s all fictional. However, don’t expose other people to triggering shit and don’t romanticize these serious topics. That actually does hurt real people. You can make art of and ship whatever you want, but tag your work properly and don’t force people to look at it. But also don’t look at shit that you know will upset you and don’t attack people for making things you personally don’t like. That’s it. It’s not that hard. You are responsible for what you post and what you view online. There’s no need to make a big fucking deal out of it. Live and let live. Censorship and infighting hurts us all.

[fevers-and-emeto-oh-my]

I think it should be a requirement for every fan to read Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury and 1984 by George Orwell before deciding that they're an anti. I'm so serious.

You think things depicted in fiction or fanfiction are evil or immoral? You think the people writing them are evil or immoral? You think there should be no space for these works of fiction in the world? You think they should be censored or not allowed? Please, go read two of the most famous dystopian novels ever concerning censorship and "immoral" thoughts being treated as illegal.

Oh, you don't like the outcomes? Oh, you don't like the way the world works when suddenly EVERY work of fiction and thought is deeply scrutinized, filtered, censored, burned, or attacked? Oh, YOU don't want to be persecuted for YOUR thoughts?

Yeah, that's what I thought. It's free to think critically. You don't need to be an anti because other people tell you that's the "right" or "moral" thing to do. Free speech and freedom of thought and expression are legal rights for a reason. You won't go to Hell or be persecuted for reading or writing dead dove.

(If you WERE going to get persecuted for writing dead dove, George RR Martin, Thomas Harris, Bryan Fuller, Stephen King, the creators of Dexter, the creators of Breaking Bad, the creators of every mainstream video game, and any author who has written anything about murder, harassment/physical assault, rape/sexual assault, incest, cannibalism, etc. would ALL be in prison. If the mainstream creators are NOT crucified for the dark things they write, I PROMISE you won't be either as a fan in fandom spaces.)

[the-bar-sinister]

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A "ship" for us does not equal in OTP or an ideal relationship. We use the word "ship" to denote any romantic or sexual relationship between two characters, even when that relationship is unhealthy, toxic, twisted, and bad for one or both participants. Ships are a narrative tool, not something aspirational. 

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non-con of any kind (but especially underage non-con and non-con incest) 

pregnancy & babies (especially as the joyful and expected result of a romantic hetero-presenting relationship)

nonbinary or trans characters deciding it's better for them to perform their assigned gender at birth

Characters submitting to the will of a lawful aligned god.

Parental control and discipline being shown as narratively positive and correct 

characters giving up their careers and aspirations and 'settling down' when they fall in love

prophecies that are unavoidable and/or narratively depicted as inherently good and just

characters following the life-path set out for them by their parents/following in their parents footsteps

filial duty and filial piety in general

pretty much anything to do with traditional family structures, gender roles, and lawful aligned religion, honestly

wing whump / characters having their monstrous or inhuman traits harmed

monstrous or inhuman characters becoming human (especially when presented as positive)

soul destruction / soul death

characters being metaphysically kept apart for all time

any kind of 'conversion therapy' or metaphorical conversion therapy (especially being portrayed as positive)

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non-christian | magical practitioner | chaotic neutral

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[olderthannetfic]

Hot take incoming.

People who have been traumatized or otherwise harmed by certain people (predators, etc) have every right to be upset about it, and angry, and scared about whether other people will experience the same thing. They also have a right to process their trauma in their own time, because everyone is different. It is also understandable that some people might not have access to a way to process that trauma. Lastly, obviously, people with trauma totally deserve to be included in fandom spaces as much as someone who doesn't have trauma.

However… I feel like there is a line that shouldn't be crossed when engaging in certain discourse in fandom, and outside of fandom. If someone has lots of unresolved, unprocessed trauma, and because of it, they can't be (sufficiently) objective, or look at things in a more unbiased manner, they should not be engaging in discourse about things like censorship too heavily—if at all. They need to postpone that until their mental health is a bit better.

Unresolved trauma can make it really hard to properly acknowledge nuance. For example, if someone's parents grabbed them, beat them, withheld food, opened locked doors on them, et al, yes, they're going to have trauma. But the question remains whether they can view something like a fictional dynamic where, for instance, someone makes amends with their parents who abused them due to mental illness, which has since been treated, with ample objectivity. Or any other, even darker topics, especially ones where toxic relationships and events are written to be erotic). It really feels like many people in fandom don't recognize they might be too biased to read something without viscerally (viscerally!) reacting, and throwing down the "ban it" card. I get the impression it's not really healthy for the individual a lot of times, too.

I've reblogged posts about why it's bad to censor sensitive topics in fandom, and I've posted some of my own commentary, which tends to be very clinical. I've had multiple strangers, at these times, create full-on essays in my inbox where, after mentioning how I seemed like a safe space, they described how they were groomed and abused by someone, and all sorts of stuff that I didn't want to read. While it was very sympathetic, they argued that x things should be censored, and nobody should be allowed to write toxic relationships, because they "knew just how bad that trauma could be," and they implored me to believe them. But even if they do have firsthand experience with that trauma, and they feel so strongly about it, does that really make their argument any more logical?

I'm convinced these people still had unprocessed trauma, so they were acting with their feelings, not their brain. I got this impression from how they completely trauma-dumped on me - I kid you not, it felt like they had to get this stuff out somehow, because they hadn't been given enough opportunity to vent before. One of these people who were in my inbox? They legitimately seemed desperate to get me to accept what they were saying. Now, it could've been a bucket of fake bullshit. But if it was real, I have to wonder how much of the incessant campaigning for censorship is actually a misguided way for people to manage and make sense of trauma, to validate it somehow, and feel like they're getting control over a situation, even if they don't realize that's what they're trying to do.

Not to claim people shouldn't be allowed to speak their minds. But, there's nuance. I feel like a lot of people in fandom need to wrap their heads around the fact that there is a large difference between being informed by trauma, and letting trauma speak for you. And the latter can often lead to bad outcomes.

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[whatyouredyingtosee]

Whew I'm back! I ended up needing to spend some time offline, I'm going to be a lot more serious about my mental health. Aka: spending a lot less time on Tumblr and I think I'm going to straight up turn notifs off. I don't really need to know what others have said about my stuff.

If you recognize me from my now deleted fandom blogs: no you don't and please don't follow. I'll post really disgusting stuff soooooo yeah. Coping and catharsis can be a very messy gross process and I wouldn't shame you for how you're coping so please don't do the same to me.

That out of the way, I only have a few more things to mention:

I am proship and profic! This means I am anti-harassment and anti-censorship regarding fiction. The second something starts being real, I stop vibing with it.

I block antis/antishippers/fandom frollos/puritans/pro censorship people/people who are comfortable harassing others. I also block minors and radqueers, as I post NSFW and I don't support being pro-c for harmful paraphilias, respectively.

I'll put a fandom list if I feel like I can get back into fandom.

Kodocons of any kind are welcome here. Personally, I'll only ever draw and post sfw content of shotas and lolis, but I won't judge others for their preferences.

Fujoshis/Fudanshis/yaoi lovers in general are also welcome here. They could never make me hate you 🫶

Asks are open! Feel free to send stuff in, ask questions, rant, etc etc. So long as you aren't asking stuff in bad faith ("why does [group] always [divisive terrible thing to accuse anyone of]") or harassing me, we're good!

I'll clean this up at some point. Until then, see ya!

[ella-the-fella]

EXPLAINING EMOJI COMBOS AND WHAT THEY MEAN!!! THIS IS FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES!

IF I GET ANYTHING WRONG PLEASE TELL ME ☹️

Red= unsafe

Green= safe

Blue= varying

🌈🍖 is the basic proship combo. proshippers are people who ship anything, including problematic ships, (incest, Age gap, abuser n victim, etc)

🐰🎀 is the Lolicon combo, a Lolicon is someone who sexualizes little girls. Often they use the excuse of "oh their 1000 something years old so it's ok!" when they look like a 3 year old and/or act like one too.

🍯🧸 is the Shotacon combo, which is basically Lolicon but instead of little girls it's little boys.

🌸🌙 is the comship combo, which means shipping complicated ships. Not all comships are bad, there are two types of comships.

🎱🎀 is the Darkship combo. Darkshipping is a type of comship. Darkshippers ONLY ship problematic complicated ships, (necrophilic ships, animal x human, etc)

💿 🫧 is the Lightship combo, lightshipping is a type of comship. Lightshippers ONLY ship NONproblematic complicated ships, (crackships, crossships, multishipping, immortal x mortal, robot x human, etc!) I'm a lightshipper myself!

⚰🕊 is the Dead Dove Do Not Eat Combo. It honestly depends with this one. this is basically just a warning label. It means that there is extremely graphic and disturbing content that you should probably think about before moving any further. (Commonly used in Ao3).

🌈🍋 is the Profiction combo, this is being anti-censorship in fiction and believing fiction does not affect reality. Basically justifying problematic stuff in fiction but not irl.

🐜🍵 is the anti-proshipper combo. Just someone who is against proshipping.

🌸��� is the uh... The groomer combo... Yeah this one's pretty self explanatory...

Any other emoji combo is either something that I forgot to put here, or its a fandom emoji combo.

Do note that you can still separate the emoji combo from it's problematic meaning if you want to use it, just specify that you are only using it for show and not because of the meaning.

Stay safe gang 😛

[proshippers-against-censorship]

god some proshippers make me so fucking angry. i'm gonna rant in your inbox. being proship does not mean literally fucking anything about how good of a person you are like you seem to think does

They say "ermm you're either proship or antiship, you can't be a secret third thing about harassment and censorship 🤓 Either fiction has no basis on someone's morals and you're a good person or you're pro censorship (bad person by default, not like me)" and I say "Okay, but I'm anti harassment and censorship, and think fiction affects someone's morals? those two things aren't mutually exclusive." And they say "You're an anti, hope this helps!"

Like bitch you KNOW you're oversimplifying your own definitions because it makes everyone who disagrees with you look like bad people by definition. Which is so interesting for proshippers (you know, the "antis are a cult, you live in an echo chamber, everyone who isn't just like you is bad, etc." folks) to be saying!

God please get off your high horse until you learn to listen to the words coming out of your own mouth you're such a fucking hypocriteeee please shut the fuck up about antis forever until you learn to take your own advice!!!!!

(not you PAC. i love you.)

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[davekat-sucks]

>Rednote is censoring content

Haha, this would be more surprising if this didn't happen. Americans are getting a taste of a country that doesn't allow free speech, due to it's overbearing government. The Chinese userbase is pretty friendly like most foreign userbases which is always a good sign, everyone should get along if no one steps on any toes. I hope people know that the Government doesn't speak for majority of its citizens and most people find their laws oppressive. I fear if people who don't know this will become turbo racist just like how people got towards Russians, because the people there literally have no say in what their dictatorship government does. Im American but some of my family is from Cuba so i really hate the romanticism of communism and people need to be reminded as to why its bad. I hate getting political but I just know the censorship issue is going to blow up.

It's because of that people make a bad assumption about America's government and the people living in it. They claim they would move away from America, but don't have the balls to do it because they will lose the right to say shit towards America or whoever they hate. If the LGBT themes do extend to even fictional works like yaoi, yuri, BL, GL, etc; Then the fandom is going to have a wake up call that China is not fully their friend. I really hate the modern censorship going on. Can even say that is seeping into localization for things like anime/manga/video games too. I had also assumed it was common knowledge or we know better now that China isn't LGBT friendly due to shit like removing LGBT themes in recent Disney films or never showing a black actor on posters like with Star Wars and Black Panther. Are people's memories that short? Even a goldfish would remember it easily than this modern generation.