#pro stance

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i HATE it when antis join fandoms for shows that are like, explicitly proship.

The Owl Houses main message is all about being anti harasment and being authentic to yourself (THE FIRST EPISODE INCLUDED SOMEONE SHIPPING WEIRD SHIT AND TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT COME ON) and the creator is anti-censorship! but the fandom is absolutely crawling with antis

Mouthwashing depicts the same dark topics antis will tell proshippers to kill themselves over depicting and its creator is anti-harasment but the fandom is still crawling with antis!

Gravity Falls main message is , once again, about being authentic to yourself and being anti-harasment, the creator himself does not give a flying fuck about what people ship and shares the same sentiment of fiction not being reality, the creator is also anti-censorship, the show/books depict the same content that proshippers get attacked for on the daily through billford and their dynamic, but the fandom is absolutely infested with antis!

it just pisses me off so much! its like they suddenly forget all about their 'morals' the moment a piece of media gets popular! sorry if this doesn't make much sense its just really grinding my gears.

It's wild how antishippers see explicitly proship fandoms and flock to it. They very obviously aren't welcome.

Granted, they're crawling around AO3 despite it being designed to bypass censorship soooooo.

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Yesterday, on Twitter, someone in the proshipper community was found out to have CSEM and was spreading it. Proshippers were the first to report. They were banned in under 12 hours.

Antis found out HOURS after they were already banned, and said the original person who reported was just as bad because they were a shotacon.

They did nothing. NOTHING. They were hours late to report, but still had to say we are just as bad, because the MINOR proshipper happened to also be a shotacon.

Anyway, if any of you are on Twitter, and in the proshipper community, thank you to everyone who helped report them

Absolutely disgusting of that person, first off. Glad it was reported, hope it goes up to a level above TwiX.

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I can never understand antis man, and I am ashamed that I was one so I know how their brains work. (Which is barely)

I was in the Danganronpa fandom for a while so I gonna ask this for the antis that might see this.

If you like to consume media that has a lot of death, murder and gorey scenes, then do you condone murder?

Of fucking course not! You liking a piece of media that's fucked up doesn't mean you are okay with the fucked up things in it irl.

Same logic applies to proshipping. I like sibcest ships but I don't like it irl. I like ships with huge age gaps but I don't like it irl.

So their "logic" of "Fiction affects Reality!" is false if we apply what I said to every piece of media.

Shout it louder!

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Antis are NOT real dawg I saw one whining about how the NCMEC only handles reports of real CSAM and said "us anti pedo warriors are alone in this fight against the sexualization of real and fictional children 😢" like bro WHAT. GEE I FUCKING WONDER WHY

You'd think they'd get the idea but nooooooo

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trying to keep this as vague as possible because i'm scared to be acknowledged, but the other day i put a warning in one of my bios stating "if you like x we likely won't get along, sorry" and an anti started harassing me asking why i didn't like it...? the thing in question was just a piece of media i don't really like due to association with past friends but it really sucks being harassed over not liking it. it feels contradictory for an anti to even do, so i'm surprised it even happened

Oh heavens.

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As a victim of CSEM, I’d like to confirm that even when it’s placed in the clearnet and reported early it takes forever for them to find out and do something about it. Let’s not clog their systems with fictional characters when real children are being hurt.

Preach.

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sick of new-wave underage proshippers thinking they HAVE to enjoy all forms of "problematic media" to be considered proship. i myself am proship, however, cant stand loli/shota. makes me uncomfortable, triggers me, hence why i dont interact with it. im sick of seeing kids literally forcing themselves to interact with all aspects of dark fiction just because theyre proship. its okay to have discomforts. its okay to have limts, as long as you accept not everyone feels the way that you do. idk if this makes sense. im tired. glad to see the proship community thriving anyway.

Say it louder.

Scream it.

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I actually hate when antis use the slenderman stabbing as an example.

"Well! Erm! See! They thought he was real! Fiction DOES effect reality!!!"

Like.

Ah yes. A tragedy sparked by the early-on-set schizophrenia of 12-year-old girls who genuinely believed that their hallucinations were the real slenderman and that he was gonna kill them both unless he be appeased.

I'm not saying the two were justified at all, but like. Ffs. This isn't some Gotcha Card. Its a fucking tragedy no matter what way you talk about it.

There's talking about it from the victims side, absolutely devastating and heartbreaking.

Then there's talking about it from the other two's side, as someone who gets hallucinations NOW, I cant fucking imagine getting them at the age of 12. That's fucking sad.

Gonna say it b4 some anti says it in an accusatory way.

I genuinely, with my full heart, feel bad for everyone in the Slenderman Stabbing Situation, yes, including the two girls who stabbed their friend.

I'm happy the girls are all getting help tho.

I just wished antis would stop using the mental crisis of two 12-year-olds as a gotcha-card because it just comes off as tacky and borderline disrespectful.

- anon bc ppl scare me when it comes to my thoughts on it -

So glad you brought this up, actually. Typically folks point out that most folks aren't schizophrenic preteens, but folks also fail to remember that this event was real and horrible.

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cw vent

I find it so so disrespectful how as soon as someone makes sexy fanarts of a fictional character who's a sa victim, antis come to harass them like "sexualizing sa victims is disgusting and wrong and we're right to harass you for it" and even go as far as to edit their art to completely cover the character in clothes until we can't see an inch of skin.

I'm not going to sugarcoat it: as a sex-positive rape survivor, go fuck yourself antis who insinuate that ALL victims must absolutely become sex-negative and aren't allowed to be sexy anymore to be a "valid victim"

"Valid victimhood" is the stupidest thing to come out of all this discourse. All victims are valid. It doesn't matter if they're sex negative or sex positive. It doesn't matter how they present themselves. It doesn't matter what they believe in. There's no such thing as an invalid victim.

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I'm a CSEM survivor and also proship, not only am i bothered by the whole "antis label anything they dont like CP", i'm also bothered by how even though they seem to be OBSESSED with labeling things like that, they do it while using silly (and imo borderline disrespectful) terms for it. Cheese Pizza? Kiddie Porn? Child Corn? If you are not prepared to use the term CHILD. SEXUAL. EXPLOITATION MATERIAL. then maybe you shouldn't talk about it that often and be willing to go on wars on the internet over what is considered CSEM or not.

God i hate antis.

If you have to censor a word to say it, you shouldn't have anything to do with that word in the first place, because you clearly aren't mature enough to handle it the way it should be handled.

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hi. former anti here. recently changed my ways and accept proshipping now. what can i expect from being a proshipper?

Well. If you do publicly label yourself as a proshipper, you can expect death threats from antis.

Past that, though, anticipate a peaceful life of simply blocking what disgusts you and moving on with your day, rather than stressing about what others write, draw, or interact with.

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i am employed AND proship because I value creativity, fun, and anti-bullying still even though i'm an adult. Being employed doesn't mean you have to be uncaring about anything in this world lol

Hell yeah.

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anti shippers are the pro lifers of fandom space

Loud and annoying? Check.

Cares more about control than actual kids? Check.

Nailed it, anon.

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I'm tired of being asked "isn't (insert character) a minor?". For fucks sake, it's a fictional character.

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i don’t feel comfortable with most dark ship content, i don’t like discussing it, some of it is triggering for me - but i’m a proshipper because i think it’s fucking weird for anyone to think that my personal squicks and boundaries should decide what other people do in their own spaces. proshippers have been way better about respecting my triggers and warning for things than antishippers have, and proshippers have never harassed me or shown me things to trigger me intentionally, unlike antishippers!

Iconic.

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Being proship is weird as a minor because everyone assumes I've been groomed into it.

But I know that as soon as I turn eighteen I'm going to be called a pedophile.

They hate to see proshippers winning.

Sometimes they'll even call you a pedophile while you're a minor!