#anti anti dramione

[kathrahender]

"You shouldn't romanticize X trope" "You shouldn't romanticize X ship in media" "You shouldn't write about X in a romanticized way"

Well-

Why don't you just stay away from your trigger content instead of forcing people to consume what YOU want them to consume?

It's always "People shouldn't write about this" "People will see X abusive ship and think it's okay irl" "People will see this and think X trope it's okay" "People will see this and think doing X in real life is okay" "People will turn into rapists/murderers/abusers if they see rapes/murders/abuse in media".

But it's never "People are responsible for what they consume" "People are responsible for their own actions" "If someone does X bad thing is not the media's fault, but the person's fault for having such bad morality" "If you feel triggered by some content, just block it" "People should teach others what's wrong and what's right instead of just hoping media will tell them murder is bad, killing someone is bad, abusive relationships are bad, etc"

Honestly, if you're a person who uses the word "romantizice" or you say "people shouldn't romanticize [X] in fiction" "victims of [X] will feel triggered with this and you shouldn't write about it" you are instantly a red flag for me. I want toxic people and pro-censorship people to stay away from me, thank you.

[lady-iskra]

Just saw a post where someone complained that, because of a few of the likely hundreds of Zutara-fics, all Zutarians are being accused by antis of having...certain toxic fetishes, which is not true (and where Katara and Zuko are OOC btw). Those few individuals don't stand for the whole fandom, something everyone who can count to three should know...

Up to this point, I was absolutely with this person as a Zutarian myself. I couldn't find this post anymore, so those aren't the exact words, but after agreeing on all of this, they then claimed in the next paragraph: "It's not like we are Reylo or Dramione." And I was like: "Dude, are you for real, now?!"

I used to ship Dramione as a teen, starting before the last two Harry Potter-books had been released. Fandoms weren't much of a thing back then, and I also didn't write my headcanons down, but I still know exactly what I wished for: That Draco would become good, switches sides, and Dramione afterward fall in love with each other. I'm fine with Romione, but still think it's too bad—how much of an epic romance that would've made...

I stopped shipping them eventually, but I'm still absolutely sure that the majority of Dramione shippers have headcanons similar to mine. And I'm not into Star Wars, but I'm also sure the same thing goes for Reylo.

It's hypocritical to speak against antis for one ship, but then show the same behavior as them when it comes to another... Let people enjoy their ship without judgement.

Edit: I still was so happy, though, when I watched the anniversary two years ago and learned that Emma Watson had a crush on Tom Felton. 😄

[rewritingcanon]

i’ve seen relationship therapists and psychologists analyse hermione and ron’s relationship and conclude that they wouldn’t work out in the long run. they’ve argued for hermione to be with harry, krum, even DRACO (don’t understand how a counsellor can vow for canon dramione but alright) as an alternative partner for hermione since ron is “too insecure” to be with her and match her intelligent prowess or what have you.

i seriously don’t understand this sentiment. ron and hermione genuinely seem (almost) perfect to me, maybe not in the movies (a common denominator of people who don’t like romione is that they always cite evidence from the movies, since the films took a lot away from ron’s character and his growth), but definitely in the books.

looking at ron’s insecurities, a lot of people dredge his inferiority complex up to toxic masculinity primarily, when it was more explored how it was an effect of his home life (not gonna argue toxic masculinity wasn’t a factor, they’re teenagers in the 90s written by a pretty misogynistic woman so…). he was the youngest son out of how many children? all of his older brothers were brilliant in some way. bill was an extremely gifted spellcaster, charlie was gifted with magical beasts, percy’s academic score was unmatched, and fred and george (despite their trouble) were entrepreneurial inventor-geniuses. ron, on the other hand, was quite literally born a disappointment to his mother, who conceived him specifically because she wanted a daughter, whilst ginny was born her favourite (though, even then, ginny was gifted at quidditch). ron was mediocre in every sense of the word, and his two best friends were harry (one of the most famous wizards) and hermione (the smartest witch of her age yada yada). and i’ve seen people argue that harry was more welcomed by molly into the weasley household than ron ever was. this isn’t even mentioning the amount of bullshit he copped for being poor (people always downplay the blow to confidence being in poverty can have on a person who is constantly surrounded by people who not only have more, but look down on him for simply being unlucky as to not have what they do).

so yeah, ron was an envious kid, but he was that way not because he was an evil patriarchal conception but because he was lowkey neglected. and even then he was overall an extremely devoted and loyal friend to both harry and hermione, because he did genuinely love them.

there were many moments of ron standing up for hermione that was cut from the films, not as a guy who was romantically interested in her, but as a friend. ron arguing with snape for making hermione cry is one of my fav scenes in the books ru kidding me, and in the movies he AGREED with snape RU KIDDING ME. not to mention how ron was a sobbing violent mess when hermione was getting tortured in the last book, whereas he wasn’t nearly as bothered in the films. and the films cut out harry being a dick to ron about his familial concerns (in dh), so when ron left it seemed like a random dickish move over his jealousy towards harry and hermione’s relationship.

there’s also a million moments where they minimised ron’s usefulness in the books for comedic purposes (forbidden forest with aragog, troll scene, devils snare scene) so ron seems dumber than he is. like, he’s actually smart and a really good spellcaster…. in the books.

so simply by stating this most of the arguments against romione become void. “he’s too stupid/weak for her” simply not true. “he’s a terrible friend who doesn’t stand up for her” also not true. “he’s too insecure to have made a move on her,” yes, but given the context i don’t think people would freak on about ron’s upbringing, i think many would be more understanding, especially considering his growth. even if he wasn’t insecure, hermione is beyond incredible and is bound to make anyone nervous when pursuing her (not an excuse for ron to act like a dick, but it does explain a lot where the movies don’t). “they argue too much” they bump heads, none of the arguments they have are actually super damning, with the exception of ron leaving in deathly hallows.

maybe i’ve covered everything (excluding the abhorrent amount of classism that clouds people’s judgments around how they view ron when harping about how hermione deserves better? hopefully).

now, i know people won’t like me mentioning the cursed child, but i’m going to considering we actually get an insight of their life as a longterm married couple there. a lot of ron stans hated how ron was the only character that wasn’t doing something incredible. harry was head of the aurors, ginny was a famous quidditch player retired to a famous journalist, neville was a hogwarts professor, hermione was quite literally minister on magic. and ron…. ran the joke shop with george.

and i think this was almost the perfect route to go down for ron. because he was average, and was perfectly fine with just being average. hello?? that speaks leagues of growth for his character. he’s supportive of hermione’s work, he grounds her when she gets too caught up in being the literal president of wizarding society, and he still viciously defends her, minister or not. in fact, he’s proud to simply be known as hermione’s husband because he doesn’t feel the need to prove to anyone else his worth. the people he loves most know his worth, hermione never downplays or underestimates him, they are complete equals in the relationship in every single way that matters. they kept ron’s best qualities whilst making him seem more of a healed person. they work so well as a married couple without it seeming like mischaracterisation (not to mention the cursed child literally shows how those two are in love in every reality, so there quite literally can’t be a better partner for hermione or ron according to canon).

so i really don’t understand how professional relationship counsellors can go online and denounce it. probs because they only watched the movies, but it’s 2023 and ron stans should not STILL be fighting for their lives trying to defend him from people who simply don’t consume media with as much depth (which is fine, but one should clarify if they’re talking about the movies because i’ve seen people state they’re talking about the hp BOOKS when it’s simply just…. the films). anyways. romione on top, thanks to coming to my ted talk.

[newtiecookie]

HARRY POTTER HOT TAKES

TBH I miss jily and all the sunshine gryffindor vibes. When did we start to romanticize death eaters like evan rosier and barty crouch like NOT EVERYONE HAS A TRAGIC BACKSTORY SOME OF THEM ARE JUST EVIL. I loveee regulus with all my heart but I absolutely DESPISE jegulus. Like did y'all forget james potter was the no.1 slytherin hater?!

Also I have a bone to pick with people who write jegulus fanfics with LILY SLANDER and WHERE JAMES CHEATS ON HER (I'm coming for yall)

DRACO WAS NOT A TRAUMATIZED LITTLE BABY HE WAS A SPOILED BRAT. He's definitely not better than harry or ron in any way possible. He did not have trauma. And don't even begin to whine about him having a sadder life than harry. FYI harry was orphaned and abused by the dursleys only to come into the Wizarding world and be exploited by Dumbledore and the ministry.

I HATE DRAMIONE/HARIMIONE. That's it. Stop it.

Snape was not a good person and neither was Dumbledore. Snape did not love Lily, he was obsessed with her. Like did everyone forget that he wanted to kill james and harry just so that Lily could be widowed for him? He chose to spy for Dumbledore because it was a safe and comfortable job. Dumbledore literally saved Snape from going to Azkaban and (edits cuz im in doubt) snape also wanted Dumbledore to fire remus because of his ongoing desire to expose remus' secret despite him literally taking snapes side in hbp. " For the greater good" true, but i will forever loathe them.

[friendofweasleys]

It baffles me that many people Hate Ron. Idk where you guys are coming from? I don’t see this much hate to a character who willingly sacrifices himself for his friends be made a bad guy in any other books (franchise, movies, etc.) And people love the bully, the weak willed, coward ferret. And in the stories they make, they turn Draco into a rich Ron.

Is this hate coming because the guy is poor? Because he got the girl? Idk. Please enlighten me. Why people want the person who wished a character death be with him. While every sacrifice Ron has made has been criticised. I saw a post where it said Ron impersued Hermione… what kind of stupid nonsense is that? And that Weasley’s wanted harry because of his fame and money. I’ve read HP, I’ve never seen them asking Harry for money in any way, what are y’all reading?

[hermiones-amortentia]

Nothing can be more beautiful than this level of poetry 😍🔥😆

[itshansolo]

“I’m quite surprised the Mudbloods haven’t all packed their bags by now,” Malfoy went on. “Bet you five Galleons the next one dies. Pity it wasn’t Granger —” The bell rang at that moment, which was lucky; at Malfoy’s last words, Ron had leapt off his stool, and in the scramble to collect bags and books, his attempts to reach Malfoy went unnoticed. “Let me at him,” Ron growled as Harry and Dean hung onto his arms. “I don’t care, I don’t need my wand, I’m going to kill him with my bare hands —” “Hurry up, I’ve got to take you all to Herbology,” barked Snape over the class’s heads, and off they marched, with Harry, Ron, and Dean bringing up the rear, Ron still trying to get loose. It was only safe to let go of him when Snape had seen them out of the castle and they were making their way across the vegetable patch toward the greenhouses.

Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (Chapter 15)

But sure, keep talking about how Draco is better for Hermione than Ron. It doesn't make you sound like a fool at all.

[ifyouknowmenahyoudontt]

can we as a society leave behind the whole “eNemIes tO lOveRs” when it’s just a good person x a racist like what

[zeherili-ankhein]

SUDDENLY I'M FEELING VERY ANTI DRAMIONE

No like my urges to shit on this ship is getting back lol

So anyways... FUCK DRAMIONE FUCK DRACO MALFOY HERMIONE DESERVES BETTER

ROMIONE FOREVERRRRRRR

[painedpen]

I saw a tiktok about Ron yelling at Hermione and embarrassing her in public (he would never), and Draco punching him in the face and I am so. Tired.

Like. We’ve already established that once Ron is committed to his relationship with Hermione, he’s peak husband material. He’s lovely. Househusband extraordinaire. But the idea of Draco Malfoy beating him up???

I like Draco as much as the next person, but we need to acknowledge that he’s a lil bitch. Every time he pisses someone off, he eats shit. Ron beats that twink into the ground on the regular. Come on people, let’s be real.

[urmumsgyatt]

drarry and dramione perpetuate the misconception that your bullies or abusers target you out of secret hidden feelings which is a harmful belief that impacts victims irl but you all aren’t ready for that conversation yet

[kathrahender]

I've seen certain people liking my posts and I wanted to say something.

For the last time, if you don't/can't understand than liking fictional things (any kind of fiction) doesn't make you support the same thing in real life, if you're against """""romanticizing""""" "toxic" ships (for example) but then you proceed to harass real people or tell them to kill themselves (or if you aren't against people harassing real people), block me now. I beg you.

Because I can't stand you.

I swear to God, you're the worst, and if you are happy harassing REAL people with REAL emotions, if you can't understand the difference between liking something in fiction and supporting it in real life (which it ISN'T the same) then I think you're not mentally stable enough to be in the Internet, and I don't want you interacting with me AT ALL.

[wafflinglumos]

I walk out with a microphone and speak “Stripping away a female character’s traits and personality for a male character is wrong and is not a cool thing to do,” everyone cheers.

“Especially if the male character treated the female character like shit and wished death on her multiple times,” everyone cheers again.

“If the only way you can make your ship work is by completely desecrating one or both of the character’s personalities, maybe it’s not that good of a ship” everyone cheers and claps.

I say “Dramione” and get booed and thrown rotten tomatoes at.

[rewritingcanon]

the fact that a lot of drarry shippers can treat astoria better and more respectfully than most dramione shippers is crazyyyy

[theflorasdiary]

People out there ship Dramione for the same reasons they don’t ship Snily

People when Draco calls Hermione mudblood:😍😍

People when Snape calls Lily mudblood:😡😡

[rifari2037]

Antis : I wish Zutaran just accept the fact of the show that they're not canon!!

How boring it would be to just accept what the show shows. Isn't the reason why ATLA, TLOK and their universes still exist and talked about today because of that analysis and criticism?

Accepting canon for granted would just make the show stop being talked about decades ago after the season ended. Because, what else is there to discuss?

How boring!

I ship Ron and Hermione, they're canon and have two children!

But I still criticize the movie for not showing their relationship development as well as in the novel.

Geez, I'm Romione shipper, but I don't mind Dramione more popular than canon.

I've never yapping Dramione shippers like the ATLA fandom yapping Zutara shippers!

I've never go to their fanart and touting, "Romione is canon, accept that!!"

These two characters even have no relationship development in both the novel nor the movie, unlike Zutara! But, I still fine with that.