#epic betrayal

[luukka]

Don't know about y'all but Euryloclus really turned out antipathic to me. Someone certainly said all this before, but like, sure he was scared and tired but bro never took responsibility for his actions. Ody asked him to trust him and to not plaint seeds of doubt because OF COURSE this would cost their lives in times like this, and Euryloclus kept breaking his word, first with the bag, then the mutiny then the damn cows, which are BIG mistakes that costed lives and he still has the nerves to be angry at Ody for choosing himself over the one that LITERALLY stabbed him in the back.

You know what, I think Euryloclus stopped trusting Odysseus after Remember them. I don't know why but I'm sure that once we hit the storm saga, that is the moment Euryloclus stopped worrying about Odysseus, stopped believing that Ody was trying all the way he could, even if he tried hard to save as much people as possible all this time. I really hate how Euryloclus just kept pushing, I hate how he thought it was OK to test the honesty of his captain, provoking the death of 548 men for possible money but couldn't bear the idea of six men dead for the sake of the 37 left that could've have a possibility to survive. I hate that Odysseus's last memory of his last crewmates is them, leaded by no one less than his brother-in-law, armed and ready to murder him out of anger and desperation.

I don't know where I wanted to go with this but you get what I mean right ? I'm just very angry with him

[poorly-drawn-mdzs]

How much longer 'til your luck runs out?

[First] Prev <–-> Next

[dark-elf-writes]

Odysseus: Would you still love me if you knew all the horrible things I’ve done?

Penelope, twirling her hair: What horrible things?

[heliomanteia]

Pretty privilege is real and Apollo being included in God Games while not really having any particular intense feelings against Odysseus is the proof of that.

[botanicallyinclinednerd]

Thunder saga? More like Betrayal saga, am I right?

[turtleblogatlast]

Imo the most impressive thing Leo’s done is hold this pose for as long as he did while covered head to toe in gold paint:

[hauntedbythenarrative]

No longer you, Epic the musical//House of the Dragon (2022-)

[the-mpreg-guy]

also the way i see people talk about how they think castiel should react to dean and jack’s relationship is very funny. i cannot see castiel intervening by telling dean to “apologize” to “his son” because first of all that’s THEIR son

[ricksmarlene]

TWD 3.06 // TOWL 1.05

[comically-blu]

when the missing muse hours hits so hard that you make multiples of art based around them for your own shrine (def normal partnership)

Somehow just recently I realized that PW! Bill’s design is pretty close to the mini pyramids that Ford kept around in the shack— like the comet coat is sorta rainbow? Funny enough, I didn’t intend this in his design lol

Sometimes I wonder if Ford bought or created these himself… Like if he bought these, where?? Crystal pyramids aren’t common to see just anywhere and anytime (personally, even by the 70s). So most likely he probably made these himself??

[the-gateway-to-madness]

has the bbc merlin fandom utilized the prophetic doom and angst of the song "no longer you" from epic the musical yet or am i just not deep enough into the bbc merlin fandom to know anything about it besides memes

[katerinaaqu]

Thinking about Eurymachus said that Odysseus used to place him on his knees, feeding him roasted meat and wine makes it for one even more apparent how young the suitors were plus makes his and their betrayal strike deep

Imagine Odysseus hearing that these children he was so close with grew up and now are in his palace harassing his wife and plotting to kill his son! No wonder he tried to warn them till the last moment

Let that sink in!

[ashistired37]

Epic Office AU where instead of opening the windbag Eurylochus opened the window during winter

and now everyone's mad trying to figure out who opened that damn window and why. WHY.

[shadykazama]

I have thoughts about the wind bag in epic the musical...

Hear me out!

In the original myth, Odysseus was kinda a dick and had a big ego. He looked down on his crew and other people, mainly because of his great intelligence. When they got the wind bag, he didn't tell anyone what was in it. No warnings, no trust, nothing! So it made sense why his crew opened the bag. They had nothing to go off of, no trust from their king- who even told them that he doesn't HAVE to tell them what's in it because he's superior to them.

In the musical, however, Jorge is painting a more sympathetic- while still troubled, hero. His relationship with Eurylochus in particular and Eurylochus' betrayal is what I think needs more work. As is, either Eury is a total bitch OR there's no logical reason for him to have betrayed Odysseus and therefore a plot hole.

I for one, enjoy the relationship they have and the drama of both of their betrayals- and they only work that well because we're supposed to 'like' (or at least understand) both characters. So for the sake of that I want to argue that Eury was simply a victim of a plot hole and not just being a bad person.

I had a whole hour long debate arguing for Eurylochus' honor and I came to the conclusion that he really didn't have a good reason in canon to open the wind bag.

I of course argued that he noticed Odysseus cracking under the pressure of losing Polites and the guidance of Athena, and that as his friend, brother in law, and second in command, he was concerned and voiced his doubts. Him and Ody argued in 'Luck Runs Out' and that was a breaking point for their relationship where Eury felt like his voice was being silenced and he wasn't trusted anymore. BUT, my boyfriend made a good counter argument; at this point, nobody knew Odysseus had fucked up by giving the Cyclops his name, so in the eyes of his crew he hadn't made a single big mistake. At every other point, Eurylochus has listened to Odysseus' orders and Odysseus has every right to expect some faith from the (almost) 600 men he'd managed to keep alive through a ten year war.

I digress, that argument was still very important for them and on both sides I think they're right in their own ways. I don't want to take away from that. But why would Eurylochus open the wind bag when, in this iteration, he was told directly from Odysseus what was in it? You could argue that argument broke his trust, but I don't know... They've known each other since they were kids, they're literally related (Eurylochus is married to Ody's sister)! Was it suspicious that Odysseus wouldn't part with the bag? A little, but not enough I think that Eurylochus would directly betray his brother, especially after just losing Polites and being vocally upset about it. PLUS, it was Eurylochus who was arguing about how dangerous the gods are! Why would he open a bag that Odysseus got from a God, that he was TOLD has the storm inside??

Makes no sense narratively for his character🙅‍♂️

And the narrative solution to this is as simple as a couple of lines being added to the song "Keep Your Friends Close". We could take this two ways:

One, Aeolus tells Odysseus that the "catch" is that he can't tell anyone what's in the bag. It would keep to the original story where Odysseus doesn't tell his crew what's in the bag, sparking distrust, but still keep Odysseus a sympathetic character. It would also give Eurylochus a reason to open the bag. Either he caves to the pressure of the crew, all desperate to know what's in this bag that their captain refuses to tell them about, OR he's just festering from the argument still and being told by Odysseus that not even he, his second in command, can know what's in the bag becomes the last straw. Because at that point, at least to Eurylochus, it's clear Odysseus doesn't trust him, so why should he give Odysseus his trust in return?

Or two, a similar route would be to play into Odysseus' grief and paranoia piling up and have him refuse Eurylochus. A simple line, Odysseus has been awake for multiple days straight and his now closest friend, asks to watch the bag for him so he can rest. Odysseus, so close to home and drowning in exhaustion, both mental and physical, snaps and refuses his second in command- causing a rift. The same thing occurs, with Eurylochus still shaken from their argument, now met with an Odysseus who doesn't trust him and yet demands full trust back.

Either way, Eurylochus now has a reason to open the bag that's at least plausible from his point of view and it wouldn't require more than an additional two or three lines of dialogue added to the song.

Thanks for coming to my Ted talk

Have a picture of my cat as a reward ✨

[botanicallyinclinednerd]

Eurylochus calling Odysseus "Ody" has actually done something to my brain chemistry, like oh my god

[gabichanwrites]

Can you imagine how much worse the Thunder Saga would be if Polites was still in it.