#endogenicsystem

[1800pain]

NON-TRAUMAGENIC/ ENDOGENIC TAGS.

For those of us who like to avoid a certain population of the Tumblr system community, I have compiled all of the tags that I could find for endogenic or non-traumagenic systems. Feel free to add anything I've missed, because I know I 100% have. Endos are fucking leeches.

They're sorted alphabetically the best I can, and also sorted by relatability.

"SYSTEM" TAGS.

#endo #endogenic #actuallyendogenic #actually endogenic #endogenic system #endogenic systems #endogenicsystem #endo system #endos with trauma #traumaendo #traumaendo system

#endogenic culture is #endogenic culture #endos please interact #endos interact #endogenics interact #endogenics please interact

#parogenic #parogenic system #parogenic culture

#natural system #created system

#willogenic #willogenic culture #willogenic system

#non traumagenic system

#plural #plural system #pluralgang #actually plural #plurality #almost plural culture

#mixed origin system #mixed origins #actuallymixedorigin

#multigenic #actuallymultigenic #multigenic pride

#polygenic #actuallypolygenic

#compogenic #ixturgenic #divergenic #hazygenic #ethergenic #diformogenic #morphogenic

#demosystem

PRO [TXT] TAGS.

#endo positivity #endo safe #pro endo #proendo #endo neutral #endogenic safe #endogenic friendly #endogenics are valid #pro endo system #pro endogenic #endo positive #endo friendly #endos welcome #endogenic systems ily

#non traumagenic safe #nontraumagenic friendly #non-traumagenic safe #pro nontraumagenic

#inclusive plurality #inclusive plural #all systems welcome #accepting of all plural types #all origins welcome #all systems are systems

#parogenic systems ily #willogenic systems ily

#radinclusys

DNI/WARNING TAGS.

#anti endos dni #tw anti endo #tw endogenphobia #tw endophobia #endophobia mention #endophobia tw #endomisia tw

#anti nontraumagenic dni

#tw sysmed #shut up sysmed

[grossgvtz]

☆Reminder!! ☆

☆Trace people do not exist! you guys are mentally ill and need help!:3 Neither do transage people! Neither do transabled, transplural, transautistic people! You guys need serious help! Same with M4PS and 44MS you need to seek mental help. Also endos/tulpas/demos you are all invalid! Proud sysmed<3/hj (i dont think you need a full diagnosis, but do your research if u speculate! and please talk to actual diagnosed people! or do tonz of research and compare nd contrast!)(*≧∀≦*)☆

[dumdumcookie]

Hello!! Nervous-

Name: Strawberry Crepe Cookie

Nickname: Nikkii

Role: Host!! I think??

Gender: Nebularian

Pronouns: She/They, or if you’re good with neopronouns, voi/void/voids/voids/voidself! 

Type of Alter: I’m one of the alters that formed as a kid, but at the time I was just...identifiying with the body, kinda?? All the originals have changed form, appearance, names, etc over time. 

System Type: Soulbond

We support BLM, endogenics, neopronouns, mogai, kinnies, etc!

I know Strawberry is technically a DA, but please don’t refer to them as a delusion for me. I struggle with reality a bit...!

My brother Herb Cookie also goes by Charles, and my twin flame is Espresso Cookie [we’re some weird mix of platonic and romantic, i’m not sure...?]

Yes, we do have headmates from other sources!

My kins are: Mikan Tsumiki, Kris Dreemurr, Mukuro Ikusaba, and Vendetta [from Rebornica].

[systemliberty]

For Endogenic System Awareness Day (Which is April 15th)

What are Endogenic Systems?

(This is to clear up the misinformation about endogenic systems)

Endogenic systems are systems who become plural though natural neurodevelopment, not because of any traumatic events, intentional acts (tulpamancy), or spiritual experiences or beliefs. Note that this does not necessarily mean an endogenic system never gone through trauma, never attempted tulamancy, or does not have spiritual beliefs, but only that these things are not the cause of becoming a system. 

(In the case of tulpamancy, it means they were already plural before adding tuplas to the system, though some may consider the act to re-classify them as a “mixed” system). 

How is this possible?

Various hypotheses and explanations have been put out by endogenic and non-endogenic systems alike, including theories of dissociation and human neurology, but as of now we don’t have any concrete answers as to how it happens, only that it must be possible because my systems already live this way. I have heard there’s a study happening with tulpamancy, which if true, also may led to studies of other system types. 

What’s the difference between endogenic systems and non-endogenic systems? 

Endogenic systems, by definition, did not become systems because of trauma, intentional acts, or spiritual experiences, so they do not meet the definition of traumagenic, tupla, spiritual systems. However it is possible for a “mixed” system to have both endogenic and traumagenic members, both endogenic and spiritual, etc.

Do Endogenic systems choose to be systems?

No. 

Most Endogenic systems have existed as systems for as long as they can remember in early childhood, before their brain could let them make such decisions.  Choosing to create a headmate through psychological (or less commonly spiritual) means is tulpamancy, thoughtform, a paragenic system, which are a whole different part of the plural community. 

Are Endogenic systems dangerous or a*usive?

Not as a category. Of course there are some endogenic systems who a*use other, just as there are non-endogenic systems and singlets who a*use others. But there is no reason to think that just because someone is in an endogenic system that they will automatically be any more dangerous than an non-endogenic system or a singlet.

Why do you say “endogenic systems” every time? Why not just “endos”?

“Endo” is already short for endometriosis and endocrinologist, which can cause confusion. In addition, abbreviating “endogenic” to “endo” was polarized by anti-endogenic elocutionists attempting to turn endogenic into a slur, not by endogenic systems themselves. 

Why do endogenic systems use DID/OSDD terminology? Why not make their own terms?

Most modern system terminology (such as plural, multiple, system, traumagenic/endogenic, fictive/factive, and so on) was coined by endogenic or spiritual systems, and then graciously shared with the DID/OSDD community. If a traumagenic system claims to own the word traumagenic, they are in fact the ones committing an act of appropriation. If an endogenic system does feel compelled to or comfortable using DID/OSDD terms (such as introject or alter) it is because systems of various origins have more commonalities than differences, and this we, think, should be celebrated.  

“Remember all systems are valid and deserving of love and understanding, and acceptance.” 

[endo-phobic-blog]

Endogenics are ableist and make a mockery out of my disorder. They also arent real or valid.

[urfavisendophobic]

SANS from UNDERTALE is ENDOPHOBIC!

[divididbydesign]

So, among other things, which I currently do not have the time to do delve into completely, I have been seeing certain persons claiming to be multiple, plural, or systems despite the fact that they never experienced any form of trauma. Allow me to say this in the most polite way that I can. By the very definition and process of how a person develops alters, it is impossible to do so without repeated trauma at a young age. Alters form when a child below the age of 7-9 experiences severe and repeated trauma to the point that they must distance themselves from the experience in order to survive. The brain reacts by forming amnesiac barriers which prevent the child from being able to integrate into one concrete state of awareness and personality. If the trauma happens after the ages of 7-9, after the child has already fully integrated, no alters will develop unless the child has already developed alternate states of consciousness. If no trauma happens, the child will never, develop alternate states of consciousness. Rather you prefer to be called alters, multiples, plurals, systems, or anything else, there is only one way for a person to develop alternate states of consciousness, and that is through trauma. You may not remember your trauma, and that is understandable given the nature of dissociation and dissociative amnesia. However, if you truly never experienced the necessary trauma, you DO NOT have alters. These disorders (DID and OSDD) are a very necessary coping mechanism, created by a child's mind in order to escape indescribable pain and fear. They are not a trend to hop on. They are not up for redefinition by people on Tumblr who want to be edgy or cool. They are not cool, fun, or anything to be desired. This is a very real, and terrifying problem, and it is already far too difficult to find help and support without those of us who are real victims being marginalized and stigmatized by others who just want to seem different. #dissociativeidentitydisorder #dissociation #ptsd #traumagenicsystem #endogenicsystem #trauma #did #dissociativesystem #dissociating #dissociativeamnesia #osdd #osddsystem #osdd1b #osdd1a https://www.instagram.com/p/CDfqnOVjHmHXj6ZiuXfCCUj-p1fd9YE65HuYl00/?igshid=qm2iirxefy5

[endogenichaven]

Hey, I'm Fictionlink. Is it Possible that I'm endogenic? I don't hear other voices or anything in my head. I don't know much about endogenic systems and want to learn. -D (Shifted in; Dad)

If you're fictionlink and only have the standard fictionlink experiences (choosing to identify as something) that by itself doesn't indicate plurality or a system. Our FAQ is a good place to start for basic information (although it's a little outdated) but there are also sites like Endogenic Hub (for endogenic systems), tulpa.info and tulpa.io (for created systems) and Soul Whispers (for soulbonding) that contain more details. Hopefully this helps!

[systemliberty]

First off if someone’s saying they’re endogenic they’re not claiming to have DID or OSDD. You can’t fake some you don’t claim to have.

This just pathetic and dumb. Yeah @juicedoesthings do even know any thing about Endogenic systems? It doesn’t seem you do.

Two; Endogenic systems can’t chose and pick they’re alters. My system is Quiogenic and my host did not chose or pick any of the 40+ of us. Most system chose to call themselves a family cause they feel like one. My system as chose to say we one big family. We can not survive in this world with every single one of us.

Three; Endogenic systems can have Trauma its just not the reason they a system. Example my system since the body was 9 we’ve been through what’s felt like hell and back.

Four; They not saying or showing that trauma a cute trait cause that’s not possible

Five; again they not claiming to have a disorder, Endogenic systems can trauma has well.

Six; Endogenic systems are not romanticizing a disorder they aren’t claiming to have. No system would say it’s fun to be a system. There’s ups and downs but it’s just as hard for them as it is any other kind of system.

Seven; misinformation? honey, you’re clearly talking and sending false information about something you about.

That’s all I’m gonna say cause I readily can’t about people like you on here.

Oh and there’s so sites with information about Endogenic systems if you say anything on these sites people be respectful and nice to people on them. Thanks! -Virgil Sanders

The sites:

I hate this fuckin website. A dive into ableism part 2 I guess.

———————————————//Stay out of system spaces and system terminology if you don’t have the disorder - this isn’t about ‘who’s valid and who’s not’ or ‘religious and spiritual beliefs’ being ‘real’ or whatever.

you’re not a system if you’re not traumatized. Youre kin. Just say you’re kin and go to those tags. You can’t pick and choose your alters.

The misinformation is very harmful to trauma victims by making everyone think that trauma symptoms are some kind of cute trait. No doctors or therapists will stand with you on this. No people who understand the struggles of trauma victims and the disorder will stand with you on this. Only people who were manipulated into thinking this endogenic spiel is real somehow will ‘validate’ your ableism. You either have osdd/DID (diagnosed or not) or you don’t have alters.

Is it that hard to understand that you need to quit romantacizing a disorder? They’re not fun. They’re not quirky. Stop spreading misinformation that whatever you and your friends like to experience is somehow ‘a system’.

[sophieinwonderland]

- Cassie

Cant ask on my own blog so using my main. I know others in my system have interacted with you a few times so you may recognize me. Anyway, what do you think of this?

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRA7WTnF/?k=1

Hi Cassie! I recognize your system but I'm not sure if I remember you, specifically... sorry. If we haven't interacted before, it's nice to meet you! 😁

On the video...

That is a really misinformed opinion. I've actually talked about internal family systems therapy a lot here, which is one of the most common forms of the "parts work" she refers to.

The term endogenic system was coined by the Lunastus Collective in 2014. It was never used to refer to internal family systems or parts work before that point.

And while these therapies are often used to treat trauma, my understanding is that they have far broader applications as well.

Regarding accusations of Munchausen Syndrome and factitious disorders, these never made much sense to me. Someone pretending to have a disorder will try to replicate symptoms as closely as possible. Generally, they want to appear sick so that people will have to care for them and feel sympathy. They won't just say they have some DID-like symptoms without trauma or memory separation or distress.

They would invent fake trauma, talk about it openly and publicly to prove they experienced it, and present symptoms in the most stereotypical way possible for the most severe forms of DID. Their presentation of symptoms conforms to what is expected of the disorder.

If you tell an endogenic system that systems can't control when they switch, we'll shrug our shoulders and say "well, we can." If you tell someone with a factitious disorder this, they will decide they can't control their switches anymore.

Basically, I don't think Ivy understands endogenic systems, parts therapy, Munchausen Syndrome, or any topic she covered at any point in this video.

I do like the effects though. 😁

[bottomshelfbarbie]

#didsystempride #didsystem #didmemes #didpride #dissociativeidentitydisorder #dissociadid #dissociativeidentity #dissociativesystem #dissociativedisorder #systempride #system #didcringe #fakedisordercringe #didsystemproblems #didsystemmemes #systemmemes #systemproblems #fakeclaim #fakeclaiming #endogenicsystem #endogenic

[systemliberty]

We chosen Omba Tribe, because we are one big family. Omba means Rain in the language of the tribe L’s a member of, The Choctaw Nation. Tribe is used to simply mean "family" or "clan," or even a large group. Even we aren’t related by blood we’re a family. 

“If I know one thing it’s that I love my system and my boys(The guys in the system) there nothing in this world I wouldn't do for them. There my whole world. Even though I’m a horrible host I feel so blessed to have them after all I wouldn’t been here without them.” -L

How did you choose your system name? What does it mean or represent?

[systemliberty]

Evan’s gone.....

A mixed of things cause Evan (integrated alter) to spilt apart....

Into Dark and another Alter who’s either named E or they name starts with an E.

The stress about what’s happening in the world and heartbreak about the team piñata cause Evan to be unable to cope. Dark’s told me the split is like Natsu dividing himself into two parts and give one to him(Dark) and other to Old Evan. Dark’s expressed that he feels terrible for how he treated the whole system, and is going to try to protector the right way. Wally’s heartbroken, the whole system heartbroken. The last person we all expect to spilt apart was him. I know me and some of the others are numb and can’t feel anything about Evan spilting apart. Dark’s also expressed that he’s angry at team piñata and that he’s heartbroken that Evan split....he told me “Evan was very think I wanted to be, Kind, Happy, and most importantly Helpful.” And few other things that are personal. I know this all over the place but I need to say it. -L

[urfavisendophobic]

HARRY POTTER is ENDOPHOBIC!

[endogenichaven]

Dealing With Trolls

Every once in a while, you may encounter those annoying trolls or cringe blogs who wish to do nothing more than poke fun at what you and your system experience. Sometimes they may attack the community, and if you’re really unlucky they might choose you or your system as a target. Sometimes the people doing the trolling are outside of the community, and rarely they might be a member of the community itself. So how do you deal with them, when they seem determined to tear you down?

Here are some important things to keep in mind when dealing with trolls:

Try not to get too angry or annoyed. Unfortunately, no matter who you are and what kind of system you may be, these things will happen, not because you’re endogenic, quoigenic, or whatever else, but because human beings can be jerks sometimes and will pick on things they don’t understand. It is healthy to express anger and vent out your frustration, but do not strike out at the group or individual attempting to upset you. This may become a source of amusement for them, and may drag you into further trouble. Keep a level head when talking to them, and if the conversation stresses you out too much excuse yourselves, or take a breather. 

Do not join groups solely dedicated to making fun of people like you in order to try and “educate” or “help them” find those they want to make fun of. It’s very likely that most of the people in those groups do not care about the factual way you or other systems present, and are just there to have a laugh or two. Joining to make fun of targets unlike you does not help, as generally the people in those groups have the same opinions of you as they do about everyone else they’re making fun of. They do not care whether you’re a “presentable” system or not, and depending on how much control they have over the platform you’re on, it could backfire on you.

Remember that not all who disagree with you are salvageable. Sometimes a person will disagree with your views and will not change theirs, no matter what you say or what evidence you provide. In this case, you can only give them space and step away from the conversation once you see it isn’t going anywhere. They may change their opinions in a few years, or they may not, but it isn’t healthy to continue a conversation that isn’t going anywhere.

Blocking works! If you see trolls posting in tags you frequent or enjoy and they stress you out, feel free to block them. 

At the end of the day, entertaining trolls (especially concern trolls) can be time-consuming with little learned, and in some cases it can be dangerous (if they’re the type to run with small errors and tarnish reputations). Choose your battles wisely.

What does help? Focusing on yourselves, asserting your truths, and informing others on what your group is actually like and fostering acceptance. Remember that nobody knows you better than yourselves, and regardless of what others think you as a system are real, and are having this very real experience.  Additionally, you can take steps to protect yourself and your system. 

When on social media remember:

Utilize anonymity. You don’t have to give your full name, date of birth, and address to everyone if you don’t need to, much less your system name and identity. Don’t feel obliged to give away your information, especially to those who could do harm to you.

The internet is potentially forever. Do not put any personally sensitive or embarrassing info online for all to see, especially if it can possibly jeopardize or impact future opportunities.

Become familiar with the platform you’re on before actually settling down. Some platforms have great privacy settings, while others don’t. 

If a platform you use has special private links you can give out to select people (such as Discord or Airtable) take advantage of it and keep track of all the links you’ve given out.

If someone does get a hold of your information somehow, unfortunately unless it was done by accident (ex. someone taking a picture of a system member and using it on a forum because it was cute) it may be impossible to get it taken down or removed, especially if the site it is on is hidden later. In cases like these the only thing you can really do is try to prevent it from happening again. 

Stay safe out there. Unfortunately there are those who do not like plural systems, and will do anything they can to make fun or us or in rare cases harm us. Most do not have to worry, but if you wish to take extra steps or want to know how to manage the trolls, this should help. 

[urfavisendophobic]

Mcree from Overwatch is ENDOPHOBIC!