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Wow...WOW. The AUDACITY.
Poor Drew losing his life by HIS OWN CHOICES. Nina didn't force him to commit a crime, or take a plea deal where he'd be going to prison anyway, or even operate as a mole for Sonny, which led to the beating in the shower. Nina didn't keep him from Scout, nor did she push him into being completely focused on Carly. See, that's on him.
What keeps getting ignored is that A CRIME WAS STILL COMMITTED! CREW ARE STILL CRIMINALS! Yes, Nina turned them in out of spite, but she wouldn't have had anything to call about if they didn't break the fucking law!
And here comes Drew, big bumbling Drew, out here beating his chest like he's some tough guy, chatting about not beating Nina up just because she's a woman. The same man willing to isolate and throw his daughter, the daughter he claims to love oh-so much, he's using as a guilt chip as if he'd know how to put his kids' needs before his own or his girlfriend's. What a punk-ass, weak little bitch. That beating couldn't have happened to a nicer man, truly. I only wish it did kill him.
#general hospital#down with crew#also carly crying over bobbie dying and nina still being there was also gross but I'll give a *slight* pass because of the grief...SLIGHT
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oh yeah, I did forget to post these, didn't I?
#utmv#my art#undertale au#digital art#undertale#nightmare sans#nightmare utmv#dreamtale#and... baja blast for some reason#don't question it#cw ... uh#what do i even call this#cw body horror#i mean we all knew deep down nightmare's just as much of a freak as the rest of his crew
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Silly boatem designs for a silly star au im making
#idk when ill explain it but i will later#im too tired lmao#ive been spinning this au in my head since i made the dtiys#grian#grian fanart#impulsesv#impulsesv fanart#pearlescentmoon#pearlecentmoon fanart#mumbo jumbo#mumbo jumbo fanart#goodtimeswithscar#gtws fanart#boatem#boatem crew#boatem starcatcher au#character designs#my art#i swear ill explain the au later#ALSO I THINK IVE GOT DOWN THE NEW RENDERING STYLE IVE BEEN TRYING OUT FOR A BIT
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pursuing the unknown
( EPHEMERWEEK 2: curiosity )
#kh#kingdom hearts#khux#kingdom hearts union cross#ephemerweek2024#kh ephemer#ephemer#i need to lay down . good lord#i thought this was gonna be easier than day 3 but i forgot i had to do a background .#granted this is easily the best background ive ever done and i really like the lighting#but my god i was out of my depth LMAO#anyway on to the question: I WISH WE GOT TO SEE THE UNION LEADERS HANG OUT MORE OUGOHUGHGHG#i also wish we got to hang out more w ephemer too..... just doing friend things.........#i get why they didnt but they couldve had special events like the sewer crew did or something....... it wouldve been so cool oughgh#myart
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I love their cover of 1,200 Balloons, Dalmatians, and Miles.
Supergroup [Explained]
Transcript Under the Cut
[Ponytail, Cueball, Megan, Knit Cap, and Hairy are in line at a theatre box office, the marquee above announcing "Playing Tonight The New Supergroup: 176 Pilots, Seconds of Summer, Non Blondes, Live Crew, gecs, Doors Down, Inch Nails, Republic, Direction, and Seconds to Mars".]
#xkcd#xkcd 2905#supergroup#webcomics#music#twenty one pilots#twenty Ćøne pilĆøts#5 seconds of summer#4 non blondes#2 live crew#100 gecs#3 doors down#nine inch nails#onerepublic#direction#30 seconds to mars#101 dalmatians#99 red balloons#1000 miles
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somehow the wdapteo texts from the 5th edition are so much more revealing than the 4th edition bc what do you mean the man who goes 'phil rescue me' in every social interaction went on a partial world tour without him. how did he survive
#like hes *so* down bad#i'd say he looks stupid but its also cute#and how tf did the crew handle him being phil-less š¤£#dnp#c.text#dan and phil#phan
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Part Two / Part Three
Ao3
It's 8:45 am.Ā
The Red Barn, which is neither red nor a barn, has been open since 7, catering to the early morning crowd with rounds of coffee and pancakes.
It was no Benny's, but given the size of Hawkins and the lack of alternatives?
No one was complaining.Ā
They were all too happy someone had opened up another watering hole for the working class man (or lass, as Foreman Shelly will dutifully remind you) which meant the place was packed with both day and night shift regulars, passing each other in staggered waves.Ā
It also meant Wayne was sharing the packed breakfast counter with a warehouse worker by the name of John Cheese on one side and Police Chief Jim Hopper on the other.
He doesn't mind it.
Wayne's a man on a budget thinner than his shoelace, but he's also a man who understands that small indulgences need to be made in life or you didn't truly live it.
This is how he convinces himself to get a coffee at the Barn after work everyday, reading the morning newspaper and chatting with the other regulars before he heads home.
Bonus, it gets him out of the rapid-fire franticness that is his nephew in the mornings.
(All the love in the world wouldn't change the fact that all that Eddie came with a lot of noise.Ā
The kind of noise that was a tried and true recipe for a headache right after a long shift.)
As a trade off, Wayne went to bed early so he could wake up in time for dinner with Eddie.
Ā It was a nice little system that worked for them.Ā
A routine Wayne was reminiscing fondly on, when the pager on Chief Hopper started to chirp. With a sad moan, the man fished out a few crumbled bills and threw them on the counter, abandoning his coffee to trudge out to his truck.
This was not unusual.
Particularly recently, given they were but a scant few weeks past that whole mall ordeal. A fact all too easy to remember when one caught sight of the Chiefās still healing face.Ā
What was unusual, was when he came storming through the doors a minute later, face now a furious shade of red with his hat clenched in his hand.Ā
The energy in the room shifted, taking on something a little watchful as Hopper swept his gaze from side to side, like a dog on the hunt.
Judging by the way he stilled when he caught sight of Wayne, the latter assumed he found what he was looking for and could only pray it was the person behind him.Ā
(He liked John, but Wayne had enough trouble this year and he wasn't looking for any more.)Ā
"Munson." Hopper called, striding over and dashing all his hopes. There was a choked fury emitting off him, and given the way John audibly scooted his chair away, Wayne knew everyone had clocked it.Ā
"Chief." Wayne greeted, inclining his head towards him.
Idly he wondered what the hell his nephew had done this time.
'So help me if he stole all the town's lawn flamingos and put them in that damn teachers yard againā¦.'
Wayne didn't even get to finish his threat, the Chief was already next to him.Ā
"Mind if I have a word outside?"Ā
Dammit Eddie.
"Ah hell, what's he done now?" Wayne asked with a sigh, eyeing the coffee he had left morosely.Ā
There was still almost half of it left and the pot had tasted fresh for once.Ā
"What?" Hopper said, and then Wayne got to watch as the man ran through an entire chain of thoughts, each one punctuated by things like; "Oh," and "No. "Ā
"This is something else." He finished, flushed and fidgeting, anger making him antsy.Ā
Wayne stared up at him.Ā
"Something else?" He repeated, not sure he heard.
"Yes, something else." Hopper snapped impatiently, before leaning forward, voice dropping low. "This doesn't involve your nephew, but we both know you owe me for how many times I've let that kid off, Wayne. That's a damn big favor I've been doing you and I'm calling it in."Ā
If it were any other cop, it'd sound like a threat.
It was Hopper though. The same Hopper who Wayne had gone to school with.
They'd never been friends exactly, but they had been friendly and remained so. Even now, after Wayne had taken Eddie in, whoād gone on to be an undeniable pain in the local PDās ass.Ā
Hopper really did let the kid off easy.Ā
Wayne really did owe him.Ā
So he put down his coffee with a sigh, passed his newspaper over to John and stood up, motioning for Hopper to lead the way. Got into the Chiefās truck when he waved him in, and didnāt make a big fuss when Hopper tore out of the parking lot like hell was about to open up under them.Ā
"Not a lot of the kids involved in the mall fire could be identified, but a few of them were." Hopper started, which felt nonsensical given the utter lack of context.Ā
Wayne hummed to show heād heard.Ā
āSome of them got banged up more than others, and a lot of people wouldnāt be surprised if they didnāt make it.āĀ
A pause, Hopper white knuckling the steering wheel as he swung the truck hard around a turn.Ā
āFor certain people, those kids dying is the preferred outcome.āĀ
A mix of fear and warning swopped low in Wayneās gut.Ā
"Jim." Wayne said, dropping the use of a last name because if any situation called for it, it was this one. "What exactly are you saying here?"Ā
The Chief chewed on his split lip.Ā
"I know you're smart, Munson. I know you, and plenty of others are aware that something's happening, been happening in this town."Ā
Which was a hell of an understatement if you asked Wayne. Plenty of the upper classes might be able to bury their heads when it came to the military parading about and the flow of āaccidentsā they brought in their wake, but then, they didn't see all the other signs of trouble.Ā
The absolute oddity that was Starcourtās construction.Ā
How it had been built using primarily outside crews and anyone who'd taken a singular look at the site could tell you they were building it weird.Ā
Weird as in it looked like it would have a multi-level basement, and not what a mall should have.Ā
Then there were the constant electrical problems. The backups upon backups that failed. The late night delivery vans headed out to the Hawkins Lab.Ā
The things in the woods that kept spooking all the deer and the weird markings they left behind that unnerved even the hardest of hunters.Ā
This didnāt even touch the Russian military that more than one reputable person swore was hanging around.Ā
The very same Wayne himself had seen, on more than one occasion.Ā
(And you couldnāt deny it; those boys were military. Past or present, it didnāt matter. They moved like a threat, and Wayne treated them like one, staying well clear.)
"Yeah." Wayne admitted. "I also know better than to stick my nose in it."Ā
"That makes you a smarter man than me.' Hop complained under his breath, but the anger was self directed.Ā
"The point is, there are some government types crawling around, doing shit they shouldn't be doing, and more than a few of them are in the business of making people disappear.āĀ
This was absolutely not where Wayne had thought this was going.Ā
Hopper took a breath. Than another.
A third.
It was starting to make Wayne nervous, in a way he hadnāt felt since a social worker had brought Eddie to him for the last time and final time. It was the feeling that things were about to shift in a way that would change the course of his life.Ā
"Steve Harrington is sitting in my office right now, beat to absolute shit.ā Hopper admitted.
Wayne gave him the floor to talk, letting him go at his own pace without interruptions.Ā
āHe's there because some of those government types finally figured out his parents are never fucking home.āĀ
Wayne sucked in a breath.Ā
"We both know his parents, Wayne. Harassing them to come back and take care of their kid won't work, and frankly, Iām beginning to think all the phone lines are tapped anyway.ā He winced here, like voicing such a thing pained him, and Wayne understood.
It sounded a little too out there, a little like he was buying into a conspiracy.Ā
Except he wasnāt. Wayne knew he wasnāt.Ā
Jim Hopper might have been an alcoholic, a man living in pain and unconcerned with his own life, but if there was one thing he was solid for, it was shit like this.
He didnāt jump to conclusions. Didnāt believe the first thing people told him. Even at his worst, he did the work to see what was really happening, and made his decisions from there.Ā
(Even if that decision was to accept the occasional bribe, or drive an intoxicated 13 year old Eddie home instead of hauling his ass into the drunk tank.)Ā
āHarrington wonāt admit it, but heās got a hell of a concussion if not a full blown brain injury and heās not reacting as well as he should to Suites trying to run him off the road.ā Hopper continued. Angrily, he added, āDamn kid didnāt even come to me until they tried to break into his house last night.āĀ
His fingers squeezed the wheel so hard Wayne heard the leather creak in protest.Ā
āIād take him, but my cabin is being renovated fromā¦ā He trailed off, heaving a sigh.
Ā āA storm, so me and my kid are bunked with the Byers right now and weāre full up.āĀ
Hawkins hadn't had a storm like that in years, but Wayne wasn't going to call him out on the blatant lie.Ā
āI need a place to stash him for the next few weeks, until I can work with some of the higher ups sniffing around, and get them to call off their attack dogs.āĀ
āAnd you want to stuff him with me.ā Wayne finished.Ā
āI know you donāt have the room.ā Hopper admitted easily, stopping his truck at a red light and locking eyes with the other man. āBut I also know youāll be the last place anyone would look for him.āĀ
'Aināt that the damn truth.'
āYouāre really gonna go this far for a Harrington?ā Wayne asked, instead of the million of other questions leaping to the forefront of his mind.Ā
This one, he figured, was the most important.Ā
āHeās not his dad.ā Hopper said, as firm as Wayne had ever heard him. āHeās not either of his parents, and he saved my little girl.āĀ
Wayne hadnāt even known Hopper had another little girl, but he also knew better than to ask where the guy had found one.Ā
It wasnāt his business, just as nothing else Jim was involved in, was his business.
Except, apparently, Steve Harrington.Ā
āIām gonna need my own truck if Iām takin' Harrington home.ā Wayne said easily, instead of bothering to ask anything else.
If Jim said the kid was different than his daddy, then he was--because when it came to things like that, Jim didn't lie.
No point in it.Ā
āI know. Just needed to talk to you first, without anyone overhearing.ā Jim said, before swinging the police truck around and heading back to the Barn.Ā
āIāll stay in contact with you, and Iāll make sure Harrington pays you for the pleasure of your hospitality. Just--ā Here Jim cut himself off, looking like he was struggling an awful lot with the next thing he wanted to say.Ā
Once again, Wayne waited him out.
āDonāt let Steve fool you. Heās good at fooling people, letting them think heās okay. Too good at it, and between the two of us, I have a real good idea of the reason why.āĀ
A memory came to Wayne unbidden, of Richard Harrington and Chet Hagan, beating some poor kid in the highschool bathroom bloody. The grins on their faces as the poor guy wailed for them to stop.
How they almost hadnāt.Ā
āAlright.ā Wayne agreed.
Hopper swung back into the Barn's parking lot, and Wayne moved right to his own beat to shit truck, ready to follow Jim back to the police station.
He wasnāt a praying man, not anymore, but Catholisim wasnāt a thing that let you go easy.Ā
He found himself sending up a quick prayer, fingers flicking in a kind of miniature version of the sign of the cross.Ā
Considering his own kidās history with Harrington, and the sheer small space of the trailer?Ā
Wayne had a feeling it was needed.
#this has like t wo more parts#pre steddie#wayne as a BAMF#wayne and Hopper both as psuedo parents to Steve#ya'll are gonna have to put up with my weird ass jumping all over the place warm ups sorry lol#Gary's fourth piece is coming no worries#and then this will either take its place or the other one I have will#you CANNOT look me in the eye and tell me all the blue color workers arent aware shits going down#like 100% local crews took one look at starcourt and went what the fuck#nevermind you know the local power plant lol#and with demo critters running around its not like they were tearing through brushes and shit#your local hunters are gonna know somethings up#anyway#beat to shit Steve Harrington#my beloved#hes gonna show up busted to shit with a major grade concussion and Eddie is gonna shit himself#steve harrington#steddie#I spelled collar color and im not changing it#outsider pov#wayne pov#I will write the first person who knows where I pulled John from a prompt of their choice#catholic wayne munson#jim hopper
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bro Iām sick bc ace dying in his arms was luffyās biggest nightmare but dying in the arms of the person that he loved most / loved him most was probably the kindest Fate (under the circumstances) that he could have been given. luffy, the person he sacrificed himself for and would again and again and again and a million times over if heād been given the chance bc there was no world he wanted to live in without his little brother alive and breathing, there with him at the end.
#I hate when ppl say that he died for nothing. in vain. that all those lives were wasted trying to save him#BRO. you DONT get it. itās supposed to feel sickening#not everything gets a happy ending. sometimes people die for no reason. or they die protecting something they canāt save#but did save luffy in more ways than one. at marineford (idc what anyone says they never would have outrun akainu) and by being the push for#strong enough to protect his friends and strong enough to follow the dream ace would never see him achieve#in the hypothetical that ace survived and luffy didnāt. ace would never have lasted more than a few weeks. days.#or he would have survived just long enough to burn the whole world down#because luffy loving him was the reason he could love himself just enough to keep going.#and even tho he loved whitebeard and his crew there was nothing left for him in a world that didnāt have his brother in it#alas#ooopsie lots of tags !#portgas d ace#luffy#one piece
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Aziraphaleās boots
Just in case you havenāt figured it on your own yet, Aziraphale wears dress boots ā specifically a model known as Balmoral boots. It was designed for Prince Albert, Queen Victoriaās husband, to be used in the rural setting of the estate he purchased for his wife away from London.
Even though Victoriaās role as the ruling monarch required her to be the one to propose, Prince Albert (whom she called āangelā) designed a gemstone set snake ring for her as a symbol of their engagement, which started quite a trend among the British public.
The rather poor and very German Albert wasnāt a favored candidate at first, but his and Victoriaās 21-years-long union is remembered to this day as a perfect match and, together with their 9 children, a model family built on genuine love ā so unlikely for their time and background.
#the good omens crew is unhinged#in the best possible way#good omens#good omens props#good omens costumes#south downs cottage#balmoral boots#aziraphale#aziraphale has standards#and a penchant for deeply convoluted symbolism
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"You're going to have to spend time with [Scout]."
"Yeah, I'll spend some time with her, and then I'll be with you."
A big, royal fuck you to both you assholes.
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Hehehe
Theyāre all a big happy family stfu
All my beloved babies (+ Jimmy š)
#art#my art#mouthwashing#daisuke mouthwashing#anya mouthwashing#curly mouthwashing#captain curly#swansea mouthwashing#jimmy mouthwashing#Swansea adopts Curly Anya and Daisuke and they live happily together forever after#jimmy trips down the stairs and fucking dies like a loser#fanart#mouthwashing fanart#crew of the Tulpar#animation#animatic#funny video#itās funny and not angsty shhh#my favourite part of the game is where nothing bad happens and they actually celebrate Daisukeās birthday and theyāre all happy#idk how to tag for this fandom
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please don't jump me for this, mary kirby is a fantastic writer but i have a very glaring issue with lucanis' writing that really makes me cringe every time i think about it and it's the fact that he was very clearly written around the millennial tumblr joke of "running on spite and coffee" and the like and it doesn't really give him a lot more room for more character depth. a lot of veilguards comedy feels a lot like the writers in the writing room tried to predict what memes would be made and created those characters around it, instead of creating fully rounded characters and let the jokes happen naturally
#a lot like booktok and their obsession with tropes#dragon age the veilguard#lucanis dellamorte#datv critical#bioware critical#the second kirby said bisexual disaster i was like oh NO the 40+ crew is trying to be hip with the kids again#txt#this is not an ad hominem against mary kirby this is mostly about the decisions made inwrhe writing room#very much aware that this probably wasn't all up to her#a lot of the characters in veilguard feel very dumbed down
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100% legit totally real facts about the historical stede bonnet
no the title is not a lie these are really REAL bc believe it or not, somehow the show made our stede MORE competent than the real one
sources: Real Pirates podcast (ep1, ep2, ep3, ep4, ep5), Dirty Sexy History podcast (with jeremy moss, bonnet's biographer, who LOVES the show, and said it changed his perspective on bonnet's and blackbeard's relationship PLUS he has the stedesrevenge handle on twt)
the library on the revenge was a real thing. the man really did that.
running away from his family to be a pirate
paying a salary to his crew
SHOWING UP IN NASSAU IN FRILLY GENTLEMANLY CLOTHES AND A POWDERED WIG
before bonnet's capture, he ran his ship aground and that's how the english caught up with him BUT the two english ships also ran aground (š), so they fought each other with their flintlock pistols from behind their ships (until the tides turned and dislodged the english ships first. rip)
adopted an alias when he started pirating so people wouldn't know it was him but he raided ships near Barbados (where he's from), so that didnt turn out well. his solution? burning every ship from Barbados
he only succeeded in his early days bc merchant ships knew they would get off easier if they surrendered
ATTACKED A WARSHIP that whooped his ass so bad he almost died. the remaining crew steered the ship to Nassau where he met blackbeard
blackbeard stole the revenge from him but "allowed" him to stay on BB's ship (either as a guest or as a prisoner, it's not clear, but he def wasn't a crew member bc he didn't have any chores)
he was seen on deck running around in his gowns šš
BB eventually reinstated him as the captain of the revenge and they sailed together for a while
"there is a 4 month period where stede and blackbeard kind of disappeared and no one really knows what they were doing" š
BB allowed bonnet to raid on his own which lead to him getting his ass beat by the Protestant Caesar. BB then proceeded to HUNT DOWN THE PROTESTANT CAESAR while flying the RED FLAG (which meant no mercy to anyone on board)
bonnet would raid ships and take what provisions he needed and give the other ship what he didn't need (essentially the library raiding scene lmaoo)
BB betrayed bonnet by raiding his ship and marooning his crew while bonnet was off getting a pardon
SO BONNET SWORE REVENGE AGAINST BB who was at the time, the most feared pirate
this led to him adopting another alias - "he also changes his name, at the time he goes by captain edward's. which is really interesting, I don't know if that's an homage to, you know, edward teach, but.. captain edward's with an "s", that's as if he's.. a possession of captain edward" ONCE AGAIN šššš
HE ESCAPED PRISON BY DRESSING AS A WOMAN
after escaping, he was promised a sloop by some rando. when the rando didnt deliver, bonnet "WROTE HIM A STRONGLY WORDED LETTER REPRIMANDING THE MAN"
that letter led to him being recaptured šš
he was hanged while holding a bouquet of wilted flowers
#stede bonnet#our flag means death#ofmd#real pirates#dirty sexy history#kriss.exe#I WENT DOWN A RABBITHOLE IM SORRY#all of these are so fucking funny how was this man REAL#btw BB only became the legend AFTER he met bonnet#anyways the twt crew loved these so thats why i decided to compile them in one post#hope you all enjoy it too <3#blackbeard#edward teach
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i try to warm up and/or fight off burnout by making dumb memes/joke edits for anything (with middling success). this is the PL edition of the latest abominations i concoted in my lab
originals: [1] | [2] | [3 (blank)]
#professor layton#hershel layton#jean descole#desmond sycamore#keats the cat#emmy altava#raymond#raymond professor layton#luke triton#aurora#aurora professor layton#>>mango(t)art#it started with the first bc honestly that's just them it's On Sight#i love how sad keats turned out in the second one#after realising that keats was left on the Bostonius at the end of AL des just kind of accepted he had a cat now#layton learns of his brother's survival later through finding des' twitter and his live blogs of unwilling descent into cat fatherhood#the last idea got me good for a while because first it was funy to me bc the plane crash scenario and the fact they're all on an airship#then i realised all the options were gold and the bostonius crew are when you get down to it a weird bunch of mfers (and Raymond)#does this count as sycamore sunday he's in all of them idk
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i think its weird that arcee is like. a core member of transformers groups now, cuz it makes her stick out like a sore thumb being the token girl when at the time she wasnt exactly supposed to be? she was part of the second generation of characters (even though I know the movie was being made first)
like it seems like modern stuff tries to do this with her
which just shows off how much that design doesnt fit and comes off like it was made to be "i am THE girl. you need no more girls we have made the one girlā
but when she was actually designed to match the movie crew, a bunch of more futuristic (the far off year of 2005) cybertronian vehicle transformers with her rounded shapes and pastel colours and she isnt even the only pink one because hot rod is also pink, albeit a much darker pink
(leaving ultra magnus out cuz he was designed to be a brick holding optimus doesnt count)
the point like yeah shes still the only girl but its less egregious when you look at what she was actually supposed to match. i dont think shes designed perfectly but i think its weird that because shes the most recognizable girl transformer she has to be pulled away from her crew and forced into a group she doesnt share the design philosophy of (let alone for her character its sad like... are those not her friends? sheās not allowed to hang out with her own friends anymore cuz sheās the only girl whoās marketable? sad)
itās extra weird when you realize thereās this crew who were the original girl transformers shown on screen
theyāre not perfect either but I like that they have the same busy more squared off shapes and more strong colours, and I just think if they got added in arcees place you could have a less skewed view gender binary for the robots
thereās also the part where it would be cool to have more than one girl in a group, but again arcee with her iconic leia space buns head fits in aesthetically better with the movie crew
#the tf binge thoughts#maccadam#transformers#I HAVE NOT SEEN EARTHSPARK so if thereās something to that donāt tell me Iām starting soon#I made this after just finishing animated#I found this in my drafts and realized made these edits for nothing if I donāt post them lol#(also the editor was mad cuz they wanted the images)#weāve just finished wfc and this problem was there too#I also think where I sourced these images toned down just how pastel the movie colours are for that crew#cuz hot rot is bright magenta in the movie theyāre Al very light colours
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giggling and blushinh and kicking my feet and twirling my hair
#she's so fuckign hot i cant think straight... heh#photomode FUCKS i am using reshade for screenshots though#someone already made a preset to get rid of the bloom i might try it later#in photomode you can adjust it so i turned it wayyy down it looks so much better imo#im never gonna get anything done in this game nevermind when i get the full crew š#dragon age#da:v#neve gallus#.gameplay#im not spoiler tagging this bc its just her being hot and we all already knew that
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