#dni problematic shippers

[thevinylshop]

should we make individual alter intros?

[darkship-selfship-confessions]

being a selfshipper is wondering "wait this is a bit out of character for my f/o" but then remembering you're a selfshipper. fuck the canon timeline

mhm mhm i agree

[chakeyflakes]

why are you telling me that I don't deserve life because I like to ship two siblings who are fictional together? I'm real and they aren't I think my life matters more than theirs

[cannibaldowntown]

Ren spent those two years between BTD1 and BTD2 participating in online discourse

[candyheartedchy]

There should be an option for self shippers to let other self shippers know if they are blocked for sharing reasons so the blocked person isn’t wondering if they did something wrong or not when trying to follow.

Like I understand blocking is there for self shippers to have a more pleasant shipping experience without having to see doubles. And that’s okay to do so! It just would be a nice thing to confirm the reason of it being because of doubles instead of the blocked person worrying if they did something bad when they didn’t.

[iwishallantisaverypleasantstop]

you know, fancops have a well-documented behavioral pattern of completely shutting down sa and csa survivors who are profic and even going so far as to tell them they're lying for attention and/or they deserved their abuse. and tbh this whole mindset of "if your trauma affected you differently than me you're not valid" makes me think they would absolutely do the same to survivors who are hypersexual. and I don't mean the way that tumblr uses hypersexuality as a buzzword, I mean REALLY hypersexual. there's a reason I don't talk about my hypersexuality... really anywhere. ever. it doesn't feel safe to. if people knew what being hypersexual entailed, they'd be horrified by it.

[prussiasqueen]

Hey yall so…

Imagine…

Being anti and loving Hetalia… being a fan of Hetalia and being an anti—

You do realize that Hetalia is a proshipper show right? I mean … most pairings are problematic and more than like incestous and or sexually aggressive and explicit too. So… LOL.

I hopped on a discord server and one of the people who owns it was like “DNI if proshipper” on their card or whatever the fuck—

Like mother fucker do you not know what Hetalia is?

Do you really have these delulu sunglasses on that make you see nothing wrong? Eehehehehe… dammit this shit cracks me up.

Oh and GET THIS?! The person was underage and they liked one of the most controversial characters in Hetalia that was known for being problematic and also icky … FRANCE…

France literally violated other nations and did some messed up shit and yet you’re saying “dni proshippers”

Hahahah no..

Just no.

Stop you’re embarrassing yourself …

[proshipping-kitten]

I find it hilarious everytime I see antis on tiktok making edits using stole fanart except that I recognize the art and know for a fact that the artist is the "icky proshipper" in their dni

Like kid did you just google search for fanart and not even try to look up the artist??? I know that it's impossible to not see the problematic stuff if you even glanced at their profile

[catcatb0y]

One thing I will NEVER understand is selective thinking. That whole 'it matters when it's you, not when its me' bs and how often it's used for puritain nonsense. It happens a lot in the real world but it seems particularly annoying in fandom.

"If you ship character A with B, that's abusive and you're an abuser." "I ship character A with C, btw. That's fine." What. No? That's not how this works- either character A is an abuser and shouldn't be shipped with anyone or A/C is abusive also. You can't 'fix' an abuser with 'a different abuser, but good' "Oh, well C can fix them-" no C can't, and you're also advocating for abuse. Just because it's abuse against a "bad person" does not make it not abuse.

"Your OC/fave character is a stalker*, so that means you're advocating for stalking and that's bad" "My irl/alter/kin is a murderer, but I would never actually hurt anyone so that's fine." What. Repeat that back. Say that out loud to yourself. Because you like a character who is bad, that means you support bad things. But having a character who is "literally you" and bad is. Fine actually. Somehow.

Normie anime fans will literally say "Just because a work I like has some weird parts to it doesn't mean I'm weird for liking it-" or otherwise acknowledge that their enjoyment of a ficticious work does not mean they're okay with actually creeping and then turn around and say shit like "I bet you think it's fine, since it's 'just lines', huh?" or "Oh, I bet loli/shotacons love you-" when someone agrees with them using words they don't like. Brother anyone who does not watch anime is thinking that exact shit about YOU.

If you say, "I don't tell anyone I like a series, because there's a creepy part in it-" you cannot then turn around and say, "Oh I bet everyone else who likes the series is ONLY in it for the creepy part and if you don't judge me for liking the series then you're actually a Freak." Bitch this is the Freak Show, we are all in the circus. Put on thr clown wig or fuck off for all eternity.**

And the people who ARE criticizing you are most likely HP fans or watch GOT and HOTD religiously like "anime sexualizes teens-" yeah and it's pretty fucking weird, but so is American media's obsession with underage drinking and sex, because you'd be hard pressed to find a non-Disney show with teen characters played by twenty year old actors that doesn't utilize copious substance abuse.

**Btw not saying you can't criticize unnecessary creepage in series, because yeah no what the fuck. Yes, it's annoying and discouraging as an anime fan to explain "Yeah, you just kinda start to tune some shit out or you're never going to really get into anime..." and "I like the series for the non-creepy aspects," (which btw I will beat this horse because western media is ALSO creepy and unsettling, but people have just become accustomed to not needing to apologize for it because why would you need to apologize for watching shows that glorify underage drinking and sex?), but if you are smart enough to recognize that you are watching a work of fiction, assume that most other people are, too fuckwad. Just as you look at volumptuous hentai balloon boobs and go "That's hot, but not desirable or obtainable irl," someone is looking at a cutesy chibi girl with a cigarette between her comically tiny fingers and doing the same.***

Why are we STILL debating the whole fucking "Violent video games make you violent-" bullshit? That's literally ALL this is. It's just repackaged 'Playing Call Of Duty makes you a school shooter' shit. (***If I need to fucking say it- no shit, legit creeps will hide in plain sight in these communities. In anime communities, in gaming communities, in western media communities. There are absolutely lolishocons who are creeps. There are also people who watch GOT and enjoy/fantasize about the constant graphic rape. There are people who play FPS games because they want to do that in real life. I don't need to go into every subtle niche of "fiction does/doesn't affect reality" to say that "fiction is NOT reality.")

That'a not even getting into the commonality of making weird sex jokes ('noo step bro-' or "Mommy? Sorry. Mommy?"), becauss guess what if you or anyone around you has jokes about those things without you assuming they have an incest fetish, then you can extend the same hand to people who ship those same taboo topics. Not all shipping- or joking- is a reflection of real life morality.

[princsstwilightsparkl]

people who put really specific and completely unproblematic ship shippers in their fucking dnis are so funny to me, like what do you have against those little lesbians ?? does this mf have twipie trauma ?? what did they do to u

[thevinylshop]

Quick Alter List

Note: does not contain everyone in our system due to privacy reasons.

✨ | Dylyn - host; he/any pronouns

🌶️ | Ryan - co-host; he/him

🐉 | Sabo Outlook - gatekeeper; he/any neopronouns

🦋 | Andrea - unknown role; she/shx/zx

🗯️ | Apollo Justice - avenger; he/him

🦎 | Roger/Ryker - calmer; mirror pronouns

🧷 | Sprint/Janet - unknown role; she/das

👹 | Yamato/Oden - unknown role; he/it/growl/snarl/bit

🪱 | Elisabeth - unknown role; she/they

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last updated: 12/25/2024

[darkship-selfship-confessions]

Teenage boy sneaking out from his house while his strict mother and stepfather are asleep to have sex with an older man who is really his biological father.

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[idea-pit]

TW: Talks of Proshippers and Problematic Shippers

because they are different

if one or both of these things make you see red, please ignore

People are using the term "Proshipper" incorrectly, and it's driving me mad!

A Proshipper is someone who thinks people should be allowed to ship whoever they want, no matter what, mainly because fictional characters are... well fictional, they are not real, they do not exist, and have no value on the real world, but they may not always be the ones shipping the problematic ships

But I get why people would use Proshipper to place a red flag on someone instead of Problematic Shipper, It's shorter, catchier, and some people may not know any better.

But this lumps people who may not ship morally questionable things with people who do, but maybe this is what Twitter what's.

But I don't want this, so I've come up with a new term for these problematic shippers that separates them from people who just want others to have their shipping fun.

Bugshippers

Or Buggedshippers if you prefer

I came up with this name based on the idea that most people don't like bugs, whether that be real-life bugs or video game bugs. But some people like these kinds of bugs and treasure them

Do you get what I mean? The bugs in this case are ships that most people have a problem with. They "bug" people if you catch me.

Now, this is just my idea, if you have any other ideas on what Problematic Shippers should be labeled as instead of Proshippers or something offensive, or if you think the name is offensive somehow, Let me know.

[jewishcissiekj]

I don't post about DC really anymore but whenever I see D@mijon content I get SO MAD. Weird ass ship

I have many problems with it and its fandom and I will elaborate to anyone willing to hear Have you guys ever been 13 or 10 because it's a MAJOR FUCKING AGE DIFFERENCE (maturity, self-image, etc) Plus they're kids and their relationship gets fetishized and sexualised which is just awful friendship sure you can love their friendship, anything more is HORRIBLE Not to start with the whole Bendis aging up Jon thing Tom Taylor I think once said (after fans got mad) that they still have the same age difference (10 and 13 before and now 14 and 17) and usually I hate him but HE WAS RIGHT. It just made some shippers realize there is a meaning to a three-year difference when you're in your teens And the whole anti-Jay Nakamura thing was a nightmare don't fucking get me started

[hi-biscus]

[quietwingsinthesky]

I know you reblogged the post about people being like "fictional cannibalism is deep and intellectual and fictional incest is disgusting and morally wrong" some time ago, but I just wanted to add that it’s absolutely insane how people are calling every piece of media that isn’t wholesome and unproblematic nowadays a direct reflection of the creator’s secret deviant fantasies à la "check their hard drive". Like where does the line between getting called a genius and a master satirist and being labeled a disgusting pervert lie? Whenever I see someone make absolutely nonsensical comments like those all I can think of is Vladimir Nabokov getting canceled and chased off the internet in 2023 after writing Lolita lmao. Seriously tho. Especially in the spn fandom, how can people make posts about loving the fucked up family dynamics and the body horror and the psychological terror and the abuse parallels etc and then fall over themselves to put wincesties DNI DNI DNIII all over their entire blogs lol

My take on it is basically that the line people draw between what’s “morally” acceptable to write about or not is really just what they enjoy. That’s why this stuff usually comes down to shipping nonsense, it’s just fandom flame wars in a different trenchcoat. It’s also why you’ll get dissonant opinions like ‘incest is bad and we can’t write about it’ and ‘gore and murder is just fine to write about.’ If someone enjoys writing about their thing, however dark, and can understand why they enjoy writing about it, of course they’ll give it a pass, but other people’s dark things? that they don’t like, don’t understand? Must be evil. Must be disgusting.

(Plus, obviously, there’s probably something to be said about how in ‘incest vs cannibalism’, one of these is going to be assumed to only be about Sex and Perversion, while the other is obfuscated around sex, sometimes a display of desire but easy to deny that at the same time. Which is not to say that writing about incest is even always about sex, only that it will be perceived as such, no matter what you’re actually trying to discuss in your work.)

All that to say that of course it’s ridiculous to assume that someone’s writing or hell, even their internet persona, is reflective of their desires. I’m ace as fuck and get nervous if I don’t have explicit permission to hug someone, and I also have and will write noncon fic. There’s no secret there, nothing hidden that’s gonna lead to me hurting someone. I just enjoy writing impossibly huge power imbalances. I like squeezing characters like stress balls.

The “Wincesties DNI” thing still bothers me to this day. Maybe because I’m not sure where I even fall on that line. I follow wincest blogs, like their posts, I’ve written I think 2 or 3 wincest fics? But I rarely participate in it or reblog stuff here. Am I a wincestie? Am I tainted by association in such a way that I might as well be? Does “Wincesties DNI” mean actually all incest shippers dni, or are you secretly telling me you’re cool with Jo/Ellen, or did you just forget in the midst of your ship war that other interests exist. I don’t usually follow blogs that announce that, but that’s more because putting that label there just tells me even if I passed the test on that specific thing for you, you’re not gonna be cool about all the other weird shit I post lmao.

(I want to stress, I think there’s a difference between “Wincesties dni” and “wincest dni”. I think that asking people to not leave tags on your posts or comments on your work referencing an incest ship is a valid boundary to have. If that content is triggering to you or just not your vibe, I think you should be able to say, ‘hey, not here.’ That is very different than going ‘if you are a part of this group or ever interacted with this group, get away from me.’ Especially in a fandom where. I mean. Sam & Dean being weird is in the text. It’s a huge part of the show to the point of being referenced repeatedly in-universe, it’s a famously huge part of the fandom to where wincest built the very ground (AO3) we all walk on, and I just think that if you walk into a gay bar, you really shouldn’t complain so loudly about all the bears you see.)