#deadpool theory

[u5an5]

So. About the Anchor Beings.

(prepare for a long post)

The hows and whys on how they work are really confusing but after reading others ramble about it I've got my own theories that I'd like to put into one whole picture.

First: How can Logan being dead affect the movie universe when it takes place in 2024 while Logan is set in 2029 and if the Logan that died isn't from Wades timeline then how can it affect it?

To answer the first one: The timeline we are seeing isn't the same one in which Logan takes place. Apparently it branches off somewhere between X-Men Origins: Wolverine and The Wolverine movies (at least according to Marvel Wiki) into a separate timeline than the Days of Future Past. This is the Bad Ending timeline, Wolverine doesn't go back in time, everyone dies.

Logan going back in time in Days of Future Past led to creation of a completely new timeline: The one where the mutant genocide never happens. The universe in which Wade lives is most likely a branch of it or the main line itself.

And yes, timeline, because acording to the Marvels list of Earths, this one is a completely separate being. I imagine it look something like this:

Technically speaking it's a branch of the DoFP, but events that caused it to happen had to be overwriten for it to happen in the first place so they actually never took place in this timeline.

Still with me? Great.

Now I'm going to talk about how I think the Anchor Beings work. It will be super important for the next point.

In my opinion, a being becomes the Anchor Being when their actions cause enough changes to create a new timeline and/or big branch. The death of the Anchor Being doesn't cause the death of the universe, the lack of Anchor Beings afterwards does.

The branch dies off only if in the thousands of years needed for it to corode there is no new Anchor Being - the tree doesn't grow because it's dead, the timeline is dead because it doesn't grow.

Logan literally created this whole timeline, of course he would be the Anchor Being. His death at one point on another, albeit sad, wouldn't be (literal) end of the world because somone in the future would probably pick up the mantle and the timeline would go on.

(Why are we seeing scenes from Logan then? one, because it probably happened in a similiar way, two, because his death in this specific universe is the one all fans care about)

It wasn't anything dire up until Paradox decided to meddle. He, unsatisfied with watching how it maybe-maybe-not slowly dies off, decided to speed it up, taking the chance for another Anchor Being to appear away by going from thousand years of waiting to up to three days.

In a twist of irony, by doing so he set off the events of Deadpool & Wolverine, which caused probably one of if not the fastest events that lead the titular characters to become the Anchor Being - yes, singular, because they are equaly responsible for what happened.

And what happened? New branch was created of course! (if not entirely separate timeline) Which looks something like this:

(It would also explain why Logan wasn't flickering after spending so much time in "not his" universe - due to being one of it's creators, regardless if he originated from it, it is his timeline.)

Separate timeline would make more sense because it is their first appearance in MCU (which would also factor into it being literally separate timeline) and it is Deadpool story (and writers really like to bully him and make him experience Events)

The speed at which they became Anchor Being may also explain why everyone from TVA was so surprised - usually it takes up to milenias and these guys speedruned it from not knowing the concept existed to being a potential option to being the option in less than 72 hours (or the shocking part was that somone from competely different universe was able to become one, idk)

Anyway, this is my atempt at piecing the info we've got into one thing. I'm curious what you guys think

[daisies-daydreams]

THEORY ABOUT ACROSS THE SPIDER-VERSE (⚠️SPOILERS FOR ATSV, SPIDER-MAN: NO WAY HOME, AND DEADPOOL AND WOLVERINE BELOW THE CUT⚠️)

Disclaimer: This theory is very speculative and loosely based on events between different movies. However, please please PLEASE be respectful of my and other people's thoughts if you disagree. Thank you!

So I just got out of seeing Deadpool and Wolverine, and man, was it an absolute thrill to watch. But there was one thing that got me thinking: the Time Ripper and the potential effects of it being nearly hijacked by the movie's primary antagonist, Cassandra Nova.

⚠️ SPOILERS START NOW ⚠️

Context & Possible Connection with Deadpool and Wolverine

The Time Ripper is a device that is planned on being used by one of the movie's antagonist, a Time Variance Authority (or TVA) associate Mr. Paradox. Due to the "anchor being" in Wade's universe (Logan, aka Wolverine) being dead, his realm is slowly decaying (as in, it would fully cease to exist within an estimated 1,000 years).

According to Mr. Paradox, an anchor being is "A being whose existence is so vital to their universe that their death sparks the slow decimation of their universe" (Deadpool and Wolverine). However, Mr. Paradox wants to makes the decay of Wade's universe more..."efficient".

Thus, the Time Ripper is utilized to "prune" these decaying universes "early" (seriously, the way Mr. Paradox and other TVA people talk about "pruning" timelines like they're just rose bushes in their garden is terrifying).

This obviously causes Wade to go on his (anti)-Hero's Journey and recruit a replacement anchor being to save his universe. A bunch of action and a setting from the show Loki later, they come face-to-face with the film's main villain: Charles' Xavier's twin sister, Cassandra Nova.

She is a powerful psychic/mutant who was banished to the Void due to her immense and dangerous abilities, and is the deemed "ruler" of the Void.

The Void is, according to the Judge/Ravonna Renslayer: "A void at the End of Time. Where every instance of existence collides at the same point and simply stops" (Loki, S1:E5). It's basically used as the TVA's dump for leftover matter from universe's that get "pruned", as apparently not all of it always gets destroyed.

Of course, in a perfect world/movie, Deadpool and Wolverine would defeat Cassandra at her weakest and save the day.

However, the movie doesn't end there.

Cassandra is informed of the Time Ripper through one of her henchman, and with an insatiable god-complex, decides to utilize it herself to erase each and every timeline until all that's left is the Void, the one true place where she can rule as "god".

Thankfully, our heroes are able to eliminate Cassandra through the power of becoming living batteries with matter and anti-matter (and Madonna), and voila, all of the timelines are saved...

Or were they?

The film's main villain, Cassandra Nova, attempting to hijack the Time Ripper - Deadpool and Wolverine (Disney)

Theory for Across the Spider-Verse

What I thought was interesting was that we didn't see the direct effects of Cassandra trying to hijack the Time Ripper. Surely there could've been detrimental effects to the many timelines as the stability of them was being tampered with due to Cassandra's interference.

Which got me thinking...what if her manipulating with the Time Ripper caused Earth TRN1042 (Gabriella O'Hara's universe) to decay more rapidly than it should have? And what if 1042-Miguel O'Hara was the anchor being for that universe?

It was already decaying, just in the "normal" way: slowly and over a period of several centuries.

928B-Miguel O'Hara (the one who runs the Spider Society in ATSV) was actually saving Earth TRN1042 by becoming the new anchor. However, perhaps there was the matter of him having to split time between being in his own universe and being the surrogate father to Gabriella on Earth TRN1042, not giving that universe enough time to recognize his status as an "anchor being" and unable to stabilize before the hijacking happened.

Cassandra sped up the decay of Earth TRN1042...and Miguel was left believing it was all his fault.

Miguel looking on in horror after his variant daughter, Gabriella, disintegrated in his arms - Across the Spider-Verse (Sony Pictures)

Potential Holes in the Theory

Now I will confess, this theory isn't without it's flaws.

There's the fact that Kingpin was already tampering with multi-versal technology before the events of Deadpool and Wolverine, trying to find a replacement for his family who were tragically killed in an accident. Miguel specifically says that Kingpin's interference is related to these events during the exposition of ATSV, thus displacing the multitude of villains throughout different universes. However, there's also the fact that the event in Spider-Man: No Way Home, that also displaced several villains from multiple Spider-Verses. And yet, the fact that Doctor Strange reverses the spell at the end of the movie and the fact that all the villains were coming to Earth 616 makes me think that this isn't the event that caused the villains to be stuck in different universes as seen in ATSV. I could say that Cassandra's hijacking of the Time Ripper caused it, but that discounts Miguel's thought of Kingpin's tampering with the multiverse.

The fact that the variant Logan/Wolverine doesn't "glitch" like other variants do throughout the Spider-Verse franchise when he's in Deadpool's universe (Earth 1005), a realm that he doesn't originate from. Perhaps it could be due to him becoming a new "anchor being", thus adding stability back to the timeline...but this is merely speculation. It just seems odd to me that molecular decay wouldn't happen to him or any of the Deadpool variants who visited Earth 1005.

Conclusion

All-in-all, this theory is very speculative and I was just curious to see if there were any potential connections between Deadpool and Wolverine and the Spider-Verse franchise, with there being villains trying to "bend the rules" of the multi-verse and mentions of universal decay. But what do you all think? I'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments/reblogs!

Thank you for reading!

[rainbow-beanie]

I wonder how doomed i am cause of the fact Deadpool is my new favorite character, what angst have i brought upon myself this fateful March?

He’s very likable even though he has done wrong, but in his defense he had begun killing wrongfully cause of what had been done to him by weapon X in order to rid himself of the cancer in his liver, lungs, prostate and brain. I’ve yet to find out who his parents are, nor have i heard of any word of them in the comic’s yet. which are really good btw, although it is very confusing since he has a wife and child in the comic’s. Which doesn’t connect well with what happened in the movie, where his lover, Vanessa, had been tragically killed in the beginning of Deadpool 2. So he couldn’t very well have had a wife and child in the comic’s for this reason.

Unless of course the Deadpool comic’s take place in an alternate universe, which means that Vanessa could’ve never existed at all in the comic-verse. but then if that’s the case, what had given him the motivation to go though the process of having the X chromosome in him activate? unless he had somehow been kidnapped, and that he had been given no choice but to go through with it. which would be really sad, cause the main reason he wanted to get rid of his cancer in the movie is so he could spend the rest of his life with Vanessa. So not having any kind of motivation would drive anyone mad.

[colaghost]

I don’t know if this was intentional but I thought the one scene from Deadpool and Wolverine looked a lot like Logan in House of M when he gets his memories back

[incorrectquotesmcu]

Wade: Never have I ever… been arrested.

Y/N: So I drink?

Sam: No, it’s only if you’ve done it.

Y/N: Got it.

Y/N: [drinks]

Kate: I can’t believe you’ve been arrested!

Y/N: I can’t believe Wade hasn’t.

[kneehighrainbowsocks]

ok hear me out

in the movies logan is over 200 years old, which would place his birth around the 1810s 1820s. the greatest showman takes place in the 1850s 1860s, and pt barnum was born in the 1810s

im not saying logan is pt barnum but

im not not saying that either

the timeline adds up

just sayin ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[batvilletv]

Long live the king.

[harryzroze]

oops uhh,,

spare insta doodle under cut lol

[ivvyela]

thinking about that theory where peter parker is the mcu's anchor being. and like. the possibilities of it. imagine learning your entire universe's anchor being, the person who pretty much controls the fate of the universe, is some guy who just doesn't exist??? not even dropped off the face of the earth, but there is no proof of this person even existing in the first place???? and maybe strange or the fantastic four or whoever feels responsible for/is tasked with finding and protecting this anchor being but that's kinda hard to do when you have Absolutely Nothing to go off of.

or alternatively, peter himself learning that the entire universe is basically relying on him staying alive, and he already has a lot on his shoulders but this??? having lost everything and everyone and now learning that the weight of the world is literally on his shoulders and fuck!!! he just wanted to be a friendly neighborhood spider-man but that's parker luck for you!!

and like. there's so many ways to take it and i haven't seen anyone considering this and guys. guys. consider it. take it and run with it or what have you. fuck it and throw doctor doom in the mix for the irondad girlies because surely that will be fun.

and i know i know the theory doesn't fully go hand in hand with the mcu cannon but. fuck the cannon. let me scream into the void about this. let me shove it in your faces and hope someone does something with it. let me have my silly where's waldo peter parker anchor being au.

[nkatr84]

Deadpool and Wolverine Theory Time!🥰🥰🥰

So because James Logan Howlett will not leave my brain because of…(coughs)…reasons…

I have a theory that the Logan we (and Deadpool) fell in love with in Deadpool and Wolverine is a Logan we have met before. Remember this scene in the end credits of Deadpool 2?

And then Wade shoots his variant and tells a confused Logan about him wanting to hang up the claws but to get back in the saddle when his old buddy Wade comes back? My theory is that this Logan

Is this Logan

My theory is that when Wade killed his Wolverine Origins variant, he probably killed Stryker too giving Logan time to escape with the kids and meet Charles Xavier. Meaning Stryker never shot Logan to make him lose his memory and that’s why the Logan we meet in Deadpool and Wolverine knows he’s two hundred years old. And since the TVA doesn’t prune branched timelines anymore, these branched timelines still exist and when Wade finds Logan at the bar, it’s the same Logan he talked to, just later in his timeline. Now I just need to figure out how the Logan timeline still works because I know Logan is five years later than Deadpool and Wolverine but it’s kind of messed up to think that in five years in the 10005 universe the X Men are going to die but would Wade and the Logan we saw in Deadpool and Wolverine let that happen? Is that going to cause the incursion to bring the X Men in the MCU?

[theoneinashes]

Gambit Theory

So it's 2am in the morning for me but I need to get this theory written down somewhere before I forget it.

What if Gambit wasn't born in the void like he implied but was sent there by the TVA after his brain surgery?

Cause the man got a lobotomy to reduce his power level and get his powers under control, right? Brain surgeries can cause memory loss. So the TVA could have pruned him before he could wake up in his home timeline or while he was awake but still in that limbo of not remembering what was going on

I don't know if any of this makes any sense, but the brain worms are screaming and I need sleep.

[patricks-hockstetters-lighter]

I Give You.... The Silly and Serious Gay Man Theory exhibit A

exhibit B

exhibit C

exhibit D

ya see every closeted, serious gay man needs his weird psycho, silly boyfriend

[giveamadeuschohisownmovie]

Conspiracy theory: Since Nicolas Cage was in talks to reprise his role as Johnny Blaze in “Deadpool and Wolverine”, what if the reason why this didn’t happen was because Marvel Studios already had plans for him to return in “Doomsday” or “Secret Wars”?

As for why Marvel Studios gave the greenlight to the other cameos, if I had to guess -

Elektra = probably didn’t care since the Elektra movie has been forgotten by now

Blade = they’re working on a new Blade, so they figured it wouldn’t hurt to have the classic Blade appear here as a fun little throwback/wink to the audience

Gambit = also didn’t care, especially since Channing Tatum’s movie was never made

Johnny Storm = they’re working on a new Fantastic Four and had no plans to revisit this version of the team

(Side note: if true, this wouldn’t be the first time Marvel Studios has been tight-lipped with Ghost Rider. Apparently, Agents of SHIELD originally planned to use Johnny Blaze for season 4, but were told to use Robbie Reyes instead)

[teamchillidogs]

Do sonic and shadow bang eachother in this universe

Do you mean bang as in gun fight or bang as in explode or bang as in getting their 𝒻𝓇𝑒𝒶𝓀 on?

I wont tell you which one but the answer is yes.

-Sooki

[insanity-laughs-under-pressure]

Correct me if I'm remembering this wrong, but in Deadpool & Wolverine there's a bit where Nicepool mentions that Ladypool has just had a baby, it's obviously a 4th wall break but in terms of canon it means that Ladypool is literally a mother.

So, who's the dad? Alternative universe Vanessa (aka some guy who could be named Victor, for instance). Another Deadpool (weird but on brand). Or, a Wolverine from another universe.

Who knows. It's fun to speculate though.

[incorrectquotesmcu]

Peter: How do you feel about children?

Wade: They’re okay, I guess. I mean if I saw one, I wouldn’t throw a rock at it.

Peter: Why would you throw a rock at a child?!

Wade: I just said I wouldn’t??