#child orin

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BG3 Fic Feb Comic Edition, Day 23 :

A day in Durge's childhood : Meeting Orin the Red

The very moment she decided she would stab him in the back one day!

[quess-art]

I need D'Urge to be a companion 😭 Especially since he's canonical even when you create a custom Tav

(Some headcanons, some based on little snippets of dialogue from the game)

Edit: Baby Durge Tail Wag GIF

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[theannoyingurge]

I love how Gortash complains that Orin is insane and wants to kill everything in sight, yet seems to think The Dark Urge was different?

Supposing he isn't just saying this to manipulate you out of ripping his face off (a theory I enjoy quite a bit), he commends you for being calculated and controlled and knowing when to pick a fight. He says things like "Orin only cares for blood" and "I want to lead this city to glory, not scorch its earth" like he's selling you something.

Gort, do you even realize your former partner dreams of a blood red sky with not a single cockroach left alive to witness it? I feel like you don't.

From Orin's perspective, Durge was a mindless, bloodthirsty animal who literally wanted to kill everything indiscriminately. Sarevok also alludes to your "primal" urges.

So... what gives? Did Durge hide their true nature around Gortash because they wanted to impress him? Because it worked.

Was it all manipulation to gain his trust? Or were they so knotted in his chords that they forged a new self image, separate from Bhaal? Is that why they prayed for their father's forgiveness, promising that one day, they would finally stop resisting and win the game / end the world for Him?

Was that new, troublesome ego the one that they woke up with on the nautiloid after everything else had been lost?

Was the Dark Urge learning to resist Bhaal the result of a crush gone horribly right?

Poor Orin is just trying to live up to Durge's expectations and fill their shoes. But no matter how skillfully she kills, Gortash doesn't treat her with the same respect as her predecessor. Because he remembers a very different person than she does. One who changed for him.

It's no wonder she wants Gortash gone lol.

[solar-eclippse]

We all love a conditioned whumpee, someone who was torn from normality and thrown into violence - but what someone who has known nothing else?

Whether they were born into their station, kidnapped as a child, or even if they've forgotten their previous life, this feeling of ownership is all they know.

Living weapons who don't know anything but their calling. Pets and servants who can't recall ever being treated as people. A conditioning that runs so deep that it's nothing you can undo, because nothing came before it. To try and heal them, you'd have to break them down to build them back up again.

[calculatedklown]

It's completely baffling that Gortash is the only one of the chosen three with whom we don't get to have any dialogue regarding the information we uncover about him.??

Spoiler warning maybe lol

Like with Orin, we can mention her upbringing or the fact that she's a child of incest. Try to convince her that she's just been abused her whole life? Like obviously this changes nothing in the end. But it still matters that its mentioned.

Ketheric, we also can try and convince him to change his ways. Mention his wife, his religion, Isabelle. Literally mention everything we find out to try and convince him to turn a new leaf. Which also doesn't change any outcome. But I appreciate that its there.

But GORTASH??? We get absolutely NOTHING, it's absurd! It's baffling that we can't even touch on his backstory—like finding his parents,(possibly killing them depending on what you do) being sold to Raphael as a child, or the fact that he was scammed at one point. All the intriguing details we uncover about him lead to nowhere, and it's so annoying 😩

Like this isn't even just because I enjoy him as a character. It just seems like such a missed opportunity to find out more about him currently as a person!

The dialogue we encounter while trying to convince Ketheric and Orin reveals a profound insight into their true characters. Their reactions are telling and provide a unique perspective on who they are as individuals!

Ketheric fully recognizes the person he has become. He understands that he is a lost cause, fully acknowledging the wrongs he has committed and the irreparable damage he has caused. He accepts his fate without hesitation. Despite your words.

Orin lashes out in denial, and becomes completely manic (more so than her usual self). Completely baffled and distraught.

I want to know how Gortash would react if you brought up his parents or his childhood! It's a possibility he wouldn't be grateful if you slayed his parents; in fact, he would likely view any sympathy as a weakness and respond with anger or dismissiveness. Plus, we’ll never find out his true response to Durge after you say, “I always liked you.”

“Is that what you-”

I don't understand these missed opportunities with him?? Like I get keeping some ambiguity to an extent. Its why we will never get a clear answer into him and durges relationship…..BUT I WOULD LIKE A CRUMB OF HIM PLEASE!! I DONT EVEN NEED A KISSY SCENE! I JUST WANT ANY INSIGHT INTO HIS OWN OPINION ON HIS PAST IF ITS MENTIONED!

If you read all of this rambling…..please tell me what YOU think his possible response would be to any of these scenarios lmao please

[stainedglass-sketchbook]

CHILDREN OF BHAAL

I adore the vibe of redeemed durge your sister killed your mind and took your place - it was the greatest gift she ever gave you

[y-rhywbeth2]

An older topic expanded on a smidgeon: I feel like Orin and Durge are seeing Bhaal from opposite sides a bit, and somehow failing to realise that they're not getting the whole picture. That blind men and the elephant allegory.

Canonically Durge sees Bhaal's bloodlust - the god that is at all times consumed by rage and hunger for blood who marched an army of undead on an island nation and manifested purely for the joys of the feeling of delivering death directly with his own hands. 'Death is death, right?'

Orin correctly points out the doctrinal and ecclesial focus on philosophy and artistry, which Bhaal himself does care about. He sets up whole scenes out of a slasher movie, tormenting a bunch of Zhents and leaving horrific murders (executed smoothly, flawlessly and with little mess, considering), just to murder a horse because somebody joked that somebody might kill it. Said horse murder is also deliberately set up so that witnesses would look up and see his holy symbol painted on the ceiling in blood. He casually fought an entire squad of guards with a knife, and took the time to offer a sarcastic polite little bow of acknowledgment/greeting when recognised. He does enjoy showing off, and delights in mortals being terrified of him.

Durge isn't wrong, but Orin is right.

Bhaal, presumably, is letting them keep fighting over it because it makes them easier to manipulate and turn against each other, and it makes their fighting more fervent - particularly when it reaches terminal stage.

[maegalkarven]

As much as I love companions supporting and encouraging Durge to defy Bhaal by reminding them of other Bhaalspawns who did that, I don't think companions truly get (and Durge can't explain to them due to a hole in their head) what Durge is not just any Bhaalspawn.

They are The Bhaalspawn, the last of their kind, the ONLY one of their kind.

Unlike other Bhaalspawn, Durge doesn't have a mortal mother, they don't have any other blood in them to dilute Bhaal's.

Durge is made of nothing but Bhaal and this is why it's so hard for them to resist him.

[justsierrasart]

Baby Orin after getting an attempt on her life at age 6-7 by her own fucking mom!

Rant ahead.

I’m fully, entirely convinced, 99% of evil is not born, but made. Thus I fully believe both Orin and Helena were groomed and psychologically abused into being evil Bhaalspawn. Orin was just a baby that got attacked by her own mother and killer her in self defense, only to get praised for it. These are women raised in cults.

Is the Orin we meet pure unadulterated evil? Yes. Was she always evil? No.

[daemon-in-my-head]

I'll never be over Sally calling her own son a dreadful child or saying she should've ended him before he was even born. I don't give a single flying fuck about the crimes he's committed (at least in this context). Nobody should talk about their child like that. And you know this absolutely vile woman probably told him this and much worse shit straight to his face. She said all that shit to a small kid that was presumably still innocent at that point. Aka, she most likely told her child it would be better if he were dead. Aka, she told her kid to kill himself. A FUCKING CHILD. And thx to the Belladonna lying around in their kitchen, I'm still convinced she tried to kill Gortash once he came back.

'Sold him cuz they needed money' my ass. You made your own kid, the person you were supposed to protect, pay for your own fuck ups and debts and mistakes and send him straight to hell. LITERALLY. FOR SOMETHING HE HAD NO FAULT IN. AND THEN THIS THING HAD THE AUDACITY TO TRY ND KILL HIM.

The absolute hatred and disgust I have for this fictional woman. I despise Bhaals A+ parenting, but this woman is worse than the fucking lord of murder. Imagine being more loathsome than an evil deity whose whole bit is goddamm murder and death. I swear to fucking god-

[hootshooch]

at first I thought it was really weird that Yenna was just... conveniently waiting on the path to Wyrm's Crossing in a place where you are physically unable to avoid her with a sob sorry ready for the first strangers she meets (which doesn't entirely make sense on it's own either - what do you mean Yenna's mother just left her home alone to go see a doctor for a terminal illness? there wasn't ANYONE who could watch her? her mother couldn't bring her to the appointment?)

even IF you're super mean to her and tell her to go away, she somehow finds your camp on her own regardless and decides to stay unless you kick her out. how did she find your camp? why would you LET Yenna stay in camp when Withers just made Arabella leave because traveling with the party was too dangerous for her? you expect me to believe this little girl and her cat are safer in our camp when we were literally just ambushed by gith last night?? the FIRST night we enter the city?

And then she eventually just disappears from camp even IF you defeat Orin and save her?? I guess you could reason that she was traumatized and didn't want to stay anymore, but where the hell is she going to go? Why do we NEVER see her again?

I understand why her presence is necessary from a mechanical point of view (re: needing a fail-safe in case none of the kidnappable party members are available), but I think Yenna's narrative role would make a lot more sense and be WAY more interesting if she was always a doppelganger (and Orin herself at different points)

It would explain why Orin is able to kidnap characters like Lae'zel and Minthara when they are so on-guard all the time, or Halsin when he's so damn big and strong (which I think he even questions himself at some point?) - their guards were down around a "child", Orin and/or another doppelganger had been closely watching them for days learning about their personalities and weaknesses, and she could easily knock them out discretely by poisoning her soup or something

in the case that Yenna HERSELF is "kidnapped", it just serves as a clever way to play your empathy by putting this "little girl" in danger so Orin can easily lure you to the Temple of Bhaal (especially if you're playing as a good-aligned Dark Urge), while also having an easy way to spy on the party before you enter the Lower City. and then, in the case you DO save her, Yenna conveniently "disappears" from camp after Orin is dead (doppelganger trying to save their own skin after their purpose has been fulfilled, maybe?).

I don't think this is what the writers intended but in MY mind that little girl is a doppelganger

[copypastus]

I like to think my Durge thought they got along perfectly well before the sudden but inevitable betrayal.

[alibonbonn]

Concepting some cool clothes for me and my frens' druid durges. I think druid durge is such a cool idea! Circle of spores or not. Iridis | Tarlukk | Gylla | Sparrow

[drownedrow]

I do find it funny when you’re playing super evil and Orin is like “I’ll kill Yenna” like girl I’ve been trying to do that. I’ve stayed throwing her off cliffs and shit. Please do!

[rattini]

The Dark Urge: Moth

[bloodurged]

the dark urge as orin's uncle. the dark urge who gifted her daggers and taught her to skin. praised her during the duel he insisted on, even in his weakened state; better to risk death than to let others fight her. if she is to die for this to end, then it will only be by the hands of family. not bhaal or sarevok but her real family, the person she is and could have been. the dark urge who treasures his red lady despite himself, always an arm's reach away: bhaal only allows love when it's a dagger. so she grows angry and jealous. love coming back to bite. the dark urge who is proud she managed to dethrone him, despite her failure to end his life.