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OMG WAIT BILL CAN SEE HIM
2 minutes later stanley learned how to possess people
#i mean OBVIOUSLY because he sees dipper in that one episode#but i guess i never really thought about it#seeing ford grin is unnerving and i think that's more his fault that bill's#ford is fighting his inner demons (double meaning)#stan is so fucking confused all the time#“did he snap...?” *SNAP* LMFAOOO#god i love this au so much#i think ive reposted every post#and will not stop#Gravity falls#Gravity falls au#Frankenghost au#bill cipher#stanley pines#they WILL fall down the stairs#Ford wakes up after stan possesses him like “why did Bill clean my house??? my laundry is done??? he washed my dishes??”#“the fuck is cleaning my teeth and washing my face got to do with world domination????”#and Bill's just having a bitch slapping competition with Stan#no ones happy
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Was thinking about our Pineses different styles of comedy and I realized Mabel's and Ford's are kind of the same in a way.
Originally was thinking of who of the 4 of them was the funniest for me, and I decided it's Dipper. I can't express how much I've laughed with him. Or more like, AT him, i realized. Unlike the others, most of the comedy that involves him is at his expense. Almost every character thought bad things of him at the very least (including Ford! In his first impressions in Journal 3) and the way he's so insecure and awkward and weird, and that almost everybody bullies him, is just so funny to me. God forbid me lmao.
Stan's comedy is more aimed at how shameless he is with his criminal activities and kind of fucked up stuff he says, like "finally a good reason to punch a teenager in the face!". Most of the times the jokes that involve him are simply funny because they're sudden, mean (him to others, which feeds the kind of humor that involves Dipper and a variety of other minor characters) and/or unexpected of someone as rough as him, like crying at a telenovela. Of course we also laugh AT him many times just like we do with every character, but the fact he is so shameless, unlike Dipper, makes it very different.
Mabel and Ford are funny just because they're both insane and have extremely weird interests. You could say it's also laughing AT them but this feels of a different nature than laughing at Dipper. So i'd say it's more like laughing WITH them, like we usually do with Stan. What's funny (in the strange sense) is that Ford did share Dipper's awkwardness when he was younger, but as far as I remember, it was never played for laughs like it was for Dipper. Mabel and Ford both are reckless, absentminded and go extra on everything, which is very amusing, but they also have a riddiculous taste in everything. For example, Mabel likes toothpaste and Ford likes human blood. Mabel bedazzles her face and Ford sets it on fire. They use grappling hooks and jump out of windows epically. They are shameless too, but while Stan is unabashedly greedy and his comedy usually intentionally harms others or their property, they unabashedly just are their own strange person from start to finish. And the result is pretty funny.
#just marveling at this set of main characters#i love so much everything about them 4#gravity falls#meta#mabel pines#dipper pines#stan pines#stanley pines#ford pines#stanford pines#i guess i do comedy analysis now#this post is probably very stupid but had to share my thoughts#pines family
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Dinner in the Werewolf Gene AU Household be Like
Stan: *Walks Into the Shack on All Fours and Dragging a Dead Deer in with His Teeth*
Fidds: Oh! Kids! Dinner's here! We got venison tonight!
Mabel, running downstairs at near Mach speed: Yay! Venison!
Dipper: Do you even know what venison is?
Mabel: Some type of green cow, right?
Fidds, giggling: It's a li'l more wild than a cow, sug'. Say, why don't ya go get Ford up fer supper?
Mabel: Okay! *Runs Off to Get Ford*
Dipper: So, what, did Stan just go out and kill a deer?
Stan, plopping the deer onto the table with a proud grin: Ya better believe it! This stag put up a good fight, I'll give him that. Gave me a new chest wound! *Lifts His Shirt to Show the Giant Gash*
Fidds: *Sighs* I'll clean ya up.
Stan: Ah, after dinner. This is our first whole family meal! I want everyone to be ready to eat together!
Fidds: Alright, whatever makes ya happy, my Darlin' Genius.
Mabel: *Squeals with Glee at the Nickname*
Ford, rushing into the kitchen: WHAT'S HAPPENING?! WHO'S GETTING ATTACKED AND BY WHAT?!?!?
Stan: Nothing, no one, and nothing. Geeze, Pointdexter! It's just dinner!
Ford: But Mabel- Is that a dead deer on the dinner tabel?
Stan: Yup! Rare and ready to eat!
Mabel: I call back legs!
Dipper: I call ribs!
Mabel: Wait, I changed my mind! I want ribs too!
Dipper: No! You have to take what you call! That's the rules!
Mabel: But the ribs taste better!
Stan: Eh, I'd say backstrap is best, but that's personal preference.
Dipper and Mabel: *Silently Contemplate Before Arguing Over Who Gets What*
Fidds, smirking: *Quietly, to Stan* Better get yer pickin's b'fore the pups eat everything.
Stan, smirking back: It's fine, Honey Bunches. I horked down a few gnomes while I was looking for the deer. I'll be alright. *To Ford* What about you, Pointdexter? What piece are you looking for?
Ford, pale as a ghost: I think I'm just gonna forego dinner tonight... and anything else that isn't takeout.
#Gravity Falls#Fiddlestan#Monster AU#Werewolf Gene AU#Vampire Fiddleford#Werewolf Stanley#Werewolf Dipper#Werewolf Mabel#Human Ford#Their Eating Habit are Atrocious#Blood and Viscera Everywhere#Ford is Still Getting Used to This Whole Situation#Poor Guy was Having Bread and Milk Downstairs He was so Scared#Fidds and Stan Have Pretty Much Forgotten That Humans Don't Eat Raw Meat#Most of Them Anyway#Dipper and Mabel Grew Accustomed to the Idea Quickly#And Surprisingly Well
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Thinking about "Dipper and Mabel vs. the Future": And you know what? I'm not even going to defend Ford in this one, because he did in fact mess up. But there are still a few thoughts I wanted to share.
1. Ford took Dipper on a dangerous mission:
Well, there are a few things to point out. First, Ford most likely didn't think it would be dangerous at all. His plan was to retrieve the alien adhesive and be done with it. If along the way he could show some cool stuff to a twelve-year-old, that would be a plus, right?
Second, at least Ford was physically there, when all hell broke loose. Stan just allowed the kids to venture into a forest full of paranormal creatures completely on their own. Meanwhile, Ford understood that kids are curious by nature and it's impossible to contain their curiosity by simply denying everything. So, it would be better to go along with them.
Still, this does not absolve Ford of his wrongdoing, just because Stan sucks as a caretaker. "I did something bad, but other people have done worse" is a wrong attitude to have in general. Ford should've been more careful and not allowed Dipper to mess around with the controls on the alien ship. Which, I should probably add, wasn't the reason why the droids were activated. That was just generally irresponsible.
2."Just feel no fear", he said:
Yeah, I actually disagree with people who claim Ford was wrong in saying that. He wasn't asking Dipper to repress his feelings or whatever. It's actually more similar to being instructed to keep calm during a fire alarm. Which, you should. You absolutely should. Your life may depend on whether or not you manage to control your emotions. That doesn't mean you'll have to repress your feelings for the rest of your life, you can still deal with them after the crisis is over.
And was Ford expecting out of Dipper too much? Perhaps, but Dipper still had to know what was going on. Explaining how the security droids worked was the right call and I will stand by that.
3. Ford's apprenticeship offer:
Okay, let's get this out of the way, I do believe Dipper shouldn't have stayed with Ford after summer. And it wouldn't be healthy or good for a young boy to stay apart from his family and peers. Maybe it would've been okay, if he were slightly older and still interested in this field. But at this point Dipper is an impressionable kid, whose plans for the future might change a hundred times over until he reaches adulthood.
Something I failed to appreciate before is that wrong timing is something that affects Ford, as much as Dipper. And it's something Ford brings up himself, he is getting older. And who knows for how much longer he'll be able to continue his strenuous work in Gravity Falls. He was definitely under pressure to find someone who would be willing to learn about the anomalies. And not just by reading the journals: Some skills are better acquired in the field, by being shown how it's done and giving it a try yourself.
Still, as much as it is tempting to offer this apprenticeship to Dipper, Ford really needs to look for someone else.
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Finally... After 5 days... I finished it... Fucking finally.
The Cipher family
This is an art piece I made for my take of the Relativity Falls AU. So here is the Cipher family!
And here's some info below~~~
Steve Pyramid/Cipher:
- He was adopted by Scalene and Euclid Cipher when he was really young due to the fact that they couldn't have kids.
- 20 years old.
- Still lives with their parents.
- His bubbly personality may make him appear naive to others but don't get fooled, he isn't.
- Agnostic.
- Has anxiety, masks it behind crappy jokes.
- Likes to bother others for fun.
- Used to babysit Manly Dan, now that he's 16 they hang out.
- Mostly hangs out with Dan and his friend group, he's like that one cool older cousin to them.
- Studied really hard to get good grades to prove that his adopted parents did a good job raising him.
- Had a burn out but managed to end highschool with good grades.
- Takes two years off of studies, promising his parents he's gonna focus on searching for a good university on his second year off.
- Doesn't really wanna get into a university, he just wants to travel the world in a van and get a dog.
- Hides his eye to be supportive to Bill.
- Is an artist but parents don't think the profession will get him money.
- Shitty fashion taste, dresses himself.
Bill (William) Cipher:
- Bill and Steve's parents don't know how Bill managed to exist. Neither did the doctors. Nor does Bill himself. Two things he knows is that he KNOWS the process of how his mom somehow got pregnant with him, and that he HATES it here.
- Is 12 years old.
- Is a miracle baby.
- Has slightly sharper teeth.
- Has anophthalmia, hides his missing eye behind his hair and says to others it's because of style.
- Shitty vision but refuses to wear glasses.
- He is falsely diagnosed with schizophrenia because when he was little he would "see things" (it's Gravity Falls, so ofc he was seeing things).
- Atheist (he says that the only god in his life is himself).
- Takes medicine for anophalmia and schizophrenia.
- The medicines make him feel out of it and not really there, and also tired all the time.
- Masks it behind a cheeky smile and a cocky behavior.
- Has ADHD but the signs are not very prominent because of the side effects of the medicines (one day he's gonna go off the schizophrenia pills. That will be when his ADHD symptoms make a much more prominent appearance. When he gets diagnosed he will be prescribed with even more medicines which he will rarely take because after years of medicine he's gotten sick of them. Until then, he's supposedly schizophrenic).
- His best friend is Pyronica.
- Mostly hangs out with Stan and Pyronica, sometimes Ford and Fidds might tag along too.
- Hates Stan, he only sticks around because Pyronica finds him cool.
- Has a crush on Ford.
- Hates Fiddleford because he also has a crush on Ford.
- Likes making their Grunkle Dipper angry for no reason.
- Mama's boy, but sometimes her clinginess can become irrigating and overwhelming.
- Good at math.
- Wants to become a CEO of a big business to start his plan for world domination.
- Is smarter than he looks.
- Likes to creep up on people.
- Likes silly straws.
- Is into astrology.
- Likes alt fashion.
- Good fashion taste, his mom still dresses him.
Euclid Cipher:
- Works as an accountant at the GF bank.
- 50 years old.
- Catholic.
- Loves his sons.
- Wants Steve to get into a good university and become a teacher or an accountant, he doesn't think art is gonna get him anywhere.
- Believes Pyronica is a bad influence for Bill but when he tried to get him away from her he kept sneaking out at night to get to her.
- His top hat was given to him by his late father which is why he wears it on all times.
- Comes from a wealthy family (not rich, but they're quite comfortable despite being four people in the house).
- Thinks Bill's fascination with stars is ridiculous but he keeps his mouth shut.
- Expects a lot from his healthy son, expects less from his ill son (both kids know that).
- Thinks Mason Pines and his nephews shouldn't be allowed near his son (he knows Bill is gonna disobey him anyway).
Scalene Cipher:
- Owns a small hair salon.
- 46 years old.
- Catholic.
- Loves her sons.
- Boy mom.
- Overprotective over Bill.
- She calls Bill her "little miracle baby", "blessing from the Lord" and sometimes even her "first love" (ew) because she didn't think it was possible for her to give birth.
- Was rather saddened at Bill's eye deformity and even more at his "schizophrenia diagnosis".
- Told Bill to hide his missing eye so people wouldn't judge.
- Is good friends with Fiddleford's mom, kinda ironic though.
- Thinks Bill's world domination plans are cute.
- Picks out Bill's clothes still, Euclid tells her he's old enough to dress himself, she doesn't listen.
- Goes to church every Sunday.
- Thinks Bill and Pyronica are dating.
The Cipher family, although seemingly perfect, is quite dysfunctional. At dinner time their parents would be mostly focused on Steve and his academic education. Bill could have said he almost died that day and they would hardly notice. They go to church every Sunday.
Even though they're supposed to replace Candy's family (yes, ik we never see them in the show), they're kinda more Northwest family codded (mostly because there's not gonna be a Northwest family in my AU, so I took liberty with our limited information on Euclid and Scalene.
(btw this is them in Gacha, I'm only dropping this here is because you can see all of his outfit)
#it's 1 am#i'm so tired#i'm kinda proud of how the art came out#i'm gonna go to bed#gravity falls#gravity falls au#relativity falls#bill cipher#human bill cipher#euclid cipher#scalene cipher#pyramid steve#art#my art#original art#teen artist#sorry for any spelling mistakes#i'm fucking exhausted
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Gravity Falls but dipper has dyslexia and can barley read ford's handwriting.
Like I think it'd be so funny bc a lot of ppl like to say stan has dyslexia but what if dipper (the dork who likes to read) does and he's over here not only trying to decipher these fuckass codes but also ford's cursive handwriting and stressing tf out over it.
Especially in like dire situations when they're under like gnome attack or smth and he's like "WHAT DOES THIS EVEN SAY???"
I just think it'd be neat guys ok
Pls tell me u guys understand my vision
#dipper pines#gravity falls#gravity falls dipper#au?#thoughts#free palestine#free gaza#thinking of stan and dipper bonding over struggling to read#i dont have dyslexia so idk much of how it can affect someone or if there are like glasses to help or not#but i like to think if dipper did have it#someone pls understand my vision
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I think a really underrated character duo in gravity falls is Dipper and Stan. Like one, I think they are way more similar than people give them credit for. Like Dipper is definitely the one who feels like the ‘inferior’ twin (internally on his part), something reflected in Stan. Also Dipper is generally pretty cunning and willing to throw punches in a Stan-way, you can see Stan rubbing off on him as the show progresses. Dipper in the Stan costume, and that one scene where Stan and Dipper both cross their fingers at the same time for the same promise, both live in my head rent free. In my heart of hearts I think Dipper picks up a bit of Stans con-man tricks in the future (and Mabel goes on some bonding missions w/ Ford, but this post isn’t abt them). Also I just want to say I bet Dipper reminded Stan of a young Ford and that informed some of their early dynamic. Anyway bye just needed this brainworm out
#gravity falls#dipper pines#Stan pines#stanley pines#That one scene in Dreascapers where Stan talks abt how he sees himself in Dipper and that’s why he’s hard on him?#yeah#look the twins can obviously be put into their easy Mabel-Stan Dipper-Ford parallels#BUT I think it’s interesting to do it teh other way too#because Mabel and Ford are the weird twins of their pairs!!! they’re the outcasts who get picked on for being strange!#Also while I don’t think Mabel is Selfish (I love Mabel) she can be a little self-centered which is a good parallel to Ford who#is also kinda self centered#again I say this with love- Mabel did nothing wrong#similarly- Dipper can be mapped to the ‘Screw up twin’ (in his mind) the way Stan can#Dipper is a nerd but he’s not a super-genius like Ford was- so next to mabel he feels inferior#(I feel like he said something like this somewhere? the journal?)#anyway Stan is the same way#Also the way Dipper would fuck anyone up for hurting his family- even going as far to THREATEN bill in BOB#Tbf mabel does this too but it’s way less serious#anyway have this#gravity falls dipper#gravity falls stanley#wait I’m not over this actually#Mabel getting tricked by Bill pretending to be someone she trusted can be a Ford paralell actually#you know how bill sees himself in Ford despite the fact he’s WAYYY more like Stan??? that but mabel the opposite way. do you see the vision?#also the fact the two pines bill hates are Dipper and Stan. I win again#THE BILL-MABEL-FORD PARALELLE BUBBLE MIGHT NEED ITS OWN POST BC I HAVE THOUGHTS
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Though I haven't gone into much detail about Stan and Ford in the Familiar AU, I've thought of something funny.
The Stans went on Unspecified Adventures together when they were younger men. Partners, in fact! And while I'm likely never going to get into the details of their eventual falling out - there's potential in those adventures!
Who knows. Maybe monsterfucking kinda runs in the Pines family, but not the one you'd think.
Stan chatting up a Siren, before Ford has to yank his brother back by the shirt. Wondering where the hell Stan went, only to find him partying with some nymphs in a lake and coming THIS close to being drowned. Hell, maybe when Stan describes one of his exes as a 'shrill harpy', he's being literal about it.
A twenty-something on the prowl and on the adventuring path is gonna run into SO many tempting creatures - and the number of times Ford saved Stan's dumb ass from human-ish ladies would go into the DOZENS.
#this is a shitpost#Not necessarily canon but funny for me to think about#'Holy Moley Look at the bazoongas on that gal!!'#'Stan that's a Medusa. Do NOT look up'#Yes I know Oglaf did that joke but it's still funny to me#There's so many mythical beings that are basically DESIGNED to tempt straight men and you know Stan stumbled into a bunch of them#Ford out here with face in hands watching Stan flirt with a lady then having to save his dumb brother's ass#For the love of god Stan do not follow strange women into bogs because 'she really digs me!'#She's going to eat your bones Stanley. No not like that. Please.#That's all in the past but it certainly makes for some memories#Dipper meeting or hearing about one of Stan's Exes and going Dude what the Hell#Oh Yeah?? Like Dipper's one to talk#Said with a meaningful glance at Bill's stupid grinning face
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Sooo...rewatched Carpet Diem the other night. Mabel throws up after body switching with Dipper for the first time. As a woman in her 30's, my first thought was "...that bathroom hasn't been cleaned in 30 years. That toilet's going to be NASTY." 🤣
#these are the things you think about when you get older#i have to wonder how much it got cleaned to begin with#if ford was too busy to shower#he was probably too busy to clean#does that mean fidds did the household chores?#gravityfalls#carpet diem#ford's room#also I feel like that's such a random place to put an extra bathroom#why the study#stanford pines#mabel pines#dipper pines
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There are two wolves inside me. One wolf wants to just let people have their fun, believing what they want. The other is feral and wants to tear apart the internet to source and direct link to every interview where Alex Hirsch says that Dipper is him as a child (with traits exaggerated), Mabel is his twin sister Ariel as a child (with traits exaggerated), Stan is their grandpa Stan (with traits exaggerated), and the show's premise is both a love letter to the childhood he spent with his sister and also, more specifically, the summers they would spend at their great-aunt's cabin, where they would be bored but required to keep daily journals and his would be stories he made up about encountering creatures and oddities in the woods around them. And this is all because the feral wolf is going to go from feral to savage if it sees one more post suggesting the actual core pillar of the show is Bill/Ford, rather than the found family (Alex Hirsch's own words!) the show is actually about, and the three based-on-real-people-including-Alex-himself characters in the middle of it.
#like i literally saw someone say Dipper and Mabel were just there to be viewpoint vessels and i was like#ARE YOU KIDDING ME#like did you know Dipper is obsessed with conspiracies bc Alex himself was to the point of debilitating anxiety#at the same time Ariel was having her boy band phase? oh look coinky-dink Mabel likes a boy band!#and gets a pet pig! guess what else? Ariel was so obsessed with pigs as a kid she had a WHOLE WALL OF PIG MERCH#A&A's grandpa Stan was an avid cigar smoker but that couldn't be shown on Disney so instead he gets a raspy voice#another fun fact from the DVD commentaries: Alex & Ariel did international level improv on high school#but the championship team only extended the offer to him. Ariel overheard and burst into tears#Alex IMMEDIATELY rejected the offer tho bc he wouldn't do it w/o his sister#sure sounds like Dip & Mabes to me! bc they are! (also inspired the conflict over Ford's apprenticeship!)#anyway i just. bill/ford is so funny but to say the pillar of the show is abt them? THEM???#FORD WASN'T EVEN IN THE PLANS ORIGINALLY . . . AND WHEN HE WAS HE WAS A HIPPIE . . .#AND THE CIPHER WHEEL ORIGINALLY MEANT NOTHING . . .#AND WHEN ALEX WAS HIRED BY DISNEY HE REMEMBERS THEM SAYING#''we'll let you make your show about you & your sister & your grandpa if . . .''#IT'S ABT HIM HIS SISTER AND HIS GRANDPA!!!!#(i guess he's just closer to his grandpa than his grauntie lol sorry grauntie . . . lois i think her name was. is?)#anyway i'm done now#gravity falls
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Some REALLY messy doodles of the fic The Many Pets of Tyrone, which I now love to death. I don’t think I’ll ever end up finishing these, but I wanted to post them anyway.
All the forms together:
The image that appeared in my mind before I finished reading that all the birds reseller ravens:
And a cowboy Alcor with his cattle (and “horse”)
The horse design was inspired by this, and the cowboy outfit was taken from here.
#my art#alcor the dreambender#the flock#art#dipper#tau#my posts#I’m most proud of that pelican#and that bull#did anyone notice the brand?#brands aren’t supposed to have closed shapes because it will cause to much damage to the skin#or so I’ve heard#feel free to name them in reblogs#I tried my best to make the mane look like fire colors#but keeping it natural#now that I think of it I could’ve made them a whole lot brighter#and yeah#it’s a big ol horse#bc I didn’t really check size scales#and yes Alcor is SUPPOSED to have his foot in the studio#but he’s a total poser and he doesn’t know what he’s doing#so that DEFINITELY wasn’t from me forgetting to change it after finishing making the saddle from reference#birds#transcendence au
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Going onto the internet and finding out that people hated Mabel Pines (a literal 12 year old girl who is also not real) might have been one of the first times I felt truly disillusioned with the rest of the world
#like... imagine watching the entire show and coming out of it thinking she was a bad person#when all she did was... be a 12 year old girl in extreme circumstances under emotional distress#like she and Dipper both fucked up and asked one another to make sacrifices for each other??#“oh but dipper sacrificed more than Mabel ever did!!” so what? its not a fucking competition#they're just siblings who love each other#jfc I know a lot of people have moved on from this but it still upsets me#like as a young weird girl I always identified with Mabel so much#and it hurt to see her constantly torn down for the crime of having wants and desires and the ability to get those things#im rambling I need to go to bed#xer's rambles#gravity falls#mabel pines
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happy birthday you three
#im a little late but i hope thats okay#i finished rewatching gravity falls and i realized that today was mabel and dippers borthday#so i had to draw this#PLUS its also mikud birthday#the reason freddy fazbear is there is because its also the day the fnaf 1 song came out#but i suck at drawing animatronics so you get a png#art#gummypaints#hatsune miku#miku#gravity falls#dipper pines#dipper#mabel pines#mabel#fnaf#freddy fazbear#birthday#idk what else to tag this with#its my first time drawing miku btw i think i did good!#i got possessed by the drawing demons i guess and it turned out awesome#im very happy with out mabel turned out#its almost like 1 am now lol#also just designed a random cake idk . i like purple cakes#ignore how dipper and mabel dont have lower bodies i didnt feel like adding them
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On your Dipper and Mabel vs the Future brief essay, what are your thoughts when Ford said to Dipper (when he expressed hesistancy about the offer as he talked how he never been apart from Mabel) and said: And isn't it suffocating? Dipper, can you honestly tell me you never felt like you were meant for something more?
Yeah, the reason I didn't say anything is because I don't think I can add anything new that wasn't brought up before. Ford is projecting, there's no denying it, but that doesn't mean that he hates Mabel or wants to separate the twins. And he isn't even completely wrong, it is okay to want to get away from your family. It doesn't mean you hate them, it just means that you need some space. And it is okay to pursue your personal goals and ambitions. In the end, that decision might benefit your family, as much as it benefits you. (It certainly did in my case.)
It would've been a fine conversation, if Dipper wasn't, you know, a twelve-year-old. Ford has this tendency to treat kids like adults. And credit where credit is due, he does respect their intelligence and never talks down to them. I think more people should acknowledge that kids aren't stupid, they just lack experience. And because Dipper lacks experience, he can't be sure that anomalies are going to be his life-long passion. He doesn't know that socializing is important, even if it's stressful. He doesn't realize that no matter how smart and educated you are, almost every job will require a diploma or its equivalent. And I don't think Ford thought this through either.
Ford was just talking off the top of his head and I don't think realistically Dipper would've been allowed to stay anyway. By the end of the day, it was just a conversation. It wouldn't have been a big deal, if the whole Weirdmageddon thing didn't happen afterwards.
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i know people love their aus but man. folks writing mabel as someone who would forgive bill still really does rub me the wrong way urgh
#something something the clear difference between paz and robbie being kinda shitty teens#vs bill who literally tried killing their twin and the rest of their family#idk the end of the book is kinda refreshing for having them go 'we will murder you if we see you again'#and its a bummer that folks just ignored that lol#i know soos is also a sweetheart but like did you see how devastated he was when he thought stan was gone???#eh dunno maybe i like when genuinely kind people have lines that cant ever be crossed#even if weirdmageddon wasn't a thing people really did just ignore the impact sock opera had on the twins.....#bill literally tells mabel that he was gonna make dipper's body jump off the watertower#and encouraged her to also commit suicide????#does. does no one think that's fucked up???
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I was thinking about stuff again and looking into the transcript and this exchange really does just pull some unspoken weight in it
Stan: How did things get so messed up between us? Ford: We used to be like Dipper and Mabel. The world's about to end and they still work together. How do they do it? Stan: Easy. They're kids. They don't know any better.
Of course we know Stan and Ford’s whole deal, but the whole sentiment here really just pulls a tragic note
There’s this unspoken acknowledgement that they both want to have a relationship, but (at this point) it’s treated as something that just... can’t happen
There’s a sentiment a lot of times that if you really love someone and they love you - that things turn out fine. Or at least, on the surface you’d think ‘well why would we ever stop being close?’ because logically, it doesn’t make sense
But in practice - it happens. It’s a falling out where you still both love each other, but now there’s this obstacle
really love the show for having this moment between them btw
And here in the show - Stan and Ford both see so much of how they used to be in Dipper and Mabel
Even here though where Ford directly draws that parallel though - he’s not connecting how they’re able to not squabble when everything’s going wrong - how they pull together instead of apart when the stakes turn high
and Stan saying it’s because they don’t know any better-
It just really paints a picture of how behind the pair of them are to Dipper and Mabel - especially after the Mabel-land episode
The Little Dipper episode is an instance where Dipper and Mabel have a similar squabble to the Stans’ petty hand-holding debacle, but afterwards they open up to one another and stuff is fine again.
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The thing about this whole thing - it’s not that Dipper and Mabel never have moments of broken trust between each other or insecurities or anything like this - it’s that when this stuff happened they were eventually able to open up to one another and that’s how they got through it and came to work together without bickering
Because it’s not about blind or naive trust - it’s about that trust and putting in the effort to show some vulnerability and even talk about stuff instead of burying it down
Stan and Ford’s relationship acts as an obvious cautionary foil to Dipper and Mabel’s own, and it’s tragic because like with Dipper & Mabel you can see how Stan & Ford could also have possibly reconciled.
And the tragic thing in this set of lines is that, they really don’t understand and they still view it as this near-impossible thing for themselves.
#fordatalk#stan pines#ford pines#gravity falls#meta#long post#ford is outright going 'how do they do it'#meanwhile stan misunderstands their trust as them never having known broken trust before#or never having gone through anything only to be deeply hurt bc someone didn't haveyour back#and while on the one hand - yeah they haven't had the amount of real life circumstances of getting kicked out or etc#his misunderstanding comes in that he throws out their effort entirely#like they don't have to try as hard to be open bc they're kids and they don't know better#but it's still effort to be open and vulnerable with even people you already trust#because the rift that starts when you start questioning or having the insecurity and you don't say anything...#just because it's harder doesnt mean it's impossible and doesn't mean others arent doing it#(also you know. it Did get harder for dipper and mabel after the weridmageddon start)#ALSO brief aside#but i do also think that the stan twins had some extra obstacles for emotional connection/etc#with filbrick pines as their dad + growing up in the 50s/60s + the toxic masculinity on both sides
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