#both starships and gay ships

[marcobllnn]

Starships go pew pew

(Star Trek Enterprise clips)

[jiwon1es]

` wedding : jang wonyoung

summary: your girlfriend was never good at keeping secrets, this time not only she catch attention to both of you but she reveals your plans to future.

pairing: jang wonyoung x ive!reader

ive's live was being protagonized by 04 line, already having too much clips since the beginning of it. starship was pretty much careful about them, something about their chemistry and their popular personalities was a thing they needed to take care of, not because the four of you would start some kind of scandal but because you were too much. loud, chaotic, funny, sometimes even forgetting that you were literally idols and you had an image to protect. you were almost fans favorite. on top of that, you were the two popular ships within the group. lizrei and wonyyn quickly became a hot trend the moment you started the live.

wonyoung, who was sitting on your left, was having quite a hard time trying not to look at you with literally her natural heart eyes, whenever you were talking about something you remembered or telling something to dive, even when you just giggle at their comments, wonyoung was mesmerized. her hands found the way to touch you underneath the table, leaving a hand on top of your leg, a habit of hers.

wonyoung gets anxious when she's right next to you and can't touch you. she needs to place her hand on any part of your body to feel safe, whether is your waist, your leg, softly gripping on your clothes, holding hands and stuff like that. some curious dive had notice her hand on your leg and were talking about it but nothing really caught attention. not until miss jang wonyoung screwed it up again.

while talking about christmas and how it was such a holiday filled with love, liz read a comment.

diveinttoive: did you ever plan to get married?

"oh, i think i never really thought about it like that." liz answered.

"yeah me too but yn does for sure. that's even her new year's wish." rei spilled, smiling at you.

"i mean, a ring would look very cute on my finger." you said as you were showing your hand to the camera, having a ring already that wonyoung gave you the day you became girlfriends.

"but you have one." liz pointed out.

"yes, it was a gift from wony. a promise ring." the girl named smiled proudly at the fact. "but i want the engagement ring. that would be so cute." you pouted, caressing the finger where you would place it.

"i think i would look cute as your bridesmaid."

"i think that the five of us would look cute as the bridesmaid." liz added to rei's comment.

"four." wonyoung corrected.

"huh?"

"four of you. i'm not the bridesmaid, i am the bride."

"but i though yn was the one getting married?" liz was confused.

there were almost 5 seconds of pure silence that felt like hell when they both realized what they said.

"so... you're marrying me?" you leaned in the table, head resting in your arm, teasing wonyoung with the most beautiful eyes.

"no—" you raised your eyebrows. "i mean! yes... no!"

rei and liz couldn't hold their laughter at their usually calm friend now getting the blush of her life.

ggaeulsunbbae: wow wonyoung never beating the gay allegations huh

kurakurannie: did this really just happen?

yujinniesbae: they're cute UGH.

"dive are getting wild." liz said while reading the screen.

"wonyoungie are you okay?" rei laughed.

yes, wonyoung couldn't stop the blushing or her heart almost escaping from her chest from beating that fast. you caressed her back, drawing circles trying to calm her down.

"alright, what about you two getting married?" you said, redirecting the target to both liz and rei so that you two could breath.

"wait— what?" liz got nervous.

. . .

"you might got us in trouble, did you know that?" you asked your girlfriend.

now that cameras were off, you were laying down in bed, cuddling wonyoung as she was in top of you like she always do when she needs your kisses and caresses.

"i know!" she sighed. "i just— i just wanted to let them know."

"know what, baby?"

"that we are getting married." she pouts, looking up right in your eyes.

you bite your lip to fight the urge to kiss her, but then you remember. no cameras. so you do, you give her a small kiss and you feel how wonyoung is melting under your hold.

"they're gonna see it someday, i know."

she smiles and it makes your heart feel so warm and safe. you were totally looking forward for the day you could see wonyoung in a long pretty white dress and finally getting to call her your wife.

[kidlit-queen-competition]

Round 2 Poll 14: GLaDOS from Portal vs Nastya Rasputina from the Mechanisms

entry propaganda:

GLaDOS

big!! lovely!! will kill you!! loves you (in-game woman protagonist) a lot!! also hates you!! <3 big robot also <3 a robot that by extension is the entire science lab <3

Weirdly obsessed with another woman and fucks with her "for science"

Had a very fun codependent relationship with Chell which led to me discovering fan fiction in middle school

In unrequited(?) lesbian love with the main character who is also her test subject in the first game and the beginning of the second game. Literally writes and performs a gay-ass aria to her. Has written 4 songs about her if you count the one that’s cut content and the one in the lego game. Also her entire character motivation is “science” until it becomes “science and revenge.” Caused MANY, MANY lesbian awakenings

GLaDOS does it all - evil robot science MILF. While not necessarily a lesbian, a fondness for her is a lesbian trait, and her two songs are breakup songs w/ a woman, so read into that how you wish.

Nastya Rasputina

She is canically gay and is the engineer of the starship. Who is sentient. And her girlfriend. Yes the starship is sentient and her girlfriend.

canonically wlw AND trans. is literally dating her sentient ship, Aurora (in both a romantic and sexual sense.) shes the last princess of Cyberia, which is pretty much just Sprussia (Space Russia) (her backstory is really just the Romanov massacre but make it cyberpunk).

She is an imortal space pirate. She's dating the spaceship (who's name is Aurora). She has mercury for blood. She has forced the mechanisms to go do quests because Aurora was sad. She has the most autistic swag of any charcter I have ever seen.

Canonically a lesbian and dating the sentient starship aurora!! Also immortal space pirate

Not only is she the engineer of a sentient spaceship, she's also in a romantic and sexual relationship with the ship!

[thegeminisage]

ok we watched the tng pilot. let's get into it

data is my best friend on this show and i love him

i liked riker but jonathan frakes looks like a baby without facial hair. he's gotta grow that in. also, at one point he asked someone a question and i got really excited. he should ask more people more questions i think thats what jonathan frakes was born to do. that and sit in chairs with style

also liked geordi even though we only saw him for 3 seconds and worf even though same.

the sections with q draaaaaaagged. ik people like q and whatever he has going on with picard but i'm just not there yet. this "humans are NOT savages anymore" plotline has been played out in tos many times to better effect

actually shocked picard was such a dick. idk why i was expecting him to be more kind maybe i was projecting professor x onto him?? but he kinda sucked lol like what was EVEN going on w his little pissing contest with riker

love and light, there should not be children on a starship. space is fucking dangerous. they're literally boldly going where no one has gone before. these kids could get hurt

the ship??? splits?????????? IS THAT LEGAL????

ok, furthermore, sorry, speaking of kids, not to be a misogynist but out of the 3 ladies (troi, crusher, and yar) i dislike 2 of them. love and light to deanna troi but i really hope she gets something to do besides emote and go OH THE PAIN...her look was slay. i understand completely how she turned women gay. give her something to do. give her a chance. i know she could be good.

i didn't mind dr crusher until she let her kid on the bridge even though you're not supposed to do that and they told him to touch nothing and he proceeded to touch everything and then she got mad when picard got mad. picard spent 70% of this episode being a dick and the one time he was justified she was like :/ wow you're such a dick. lmao. girl come on he literally said don't touch anything he was already being nicer than he had to be. the child was in the wrong children shouldn't even be on this ship

also they talk about wesley like he's their affair baby. idw if its true but nobody tell me. let me believe it. wesley crusher destined to suffer through male pattern baldness

also, i can see now why you're not supposed to date your ship mates. dating them is fine but being exes with them is excruciating and we had TWO PAIRS this pilot

anyway. tasha yar was rad i DID love her.

it's weird though how many of them use first names...in tos sometimes they didn't even use last names, only titles. spock called bones "doctor" almost exclusively. so riker calling geordi geordi after like 5 minutes of knowing him was a little weird

i cried when bones showed up. sue me. his prosthetics were terrible and i already miss him so much.

SPACE JELLYFISH. that part was good

overall both the adventure and the interpersonal stuff was a little ????? which is like. you can flop on one or the other. i DO have faith it will get better but i feel kind of lukewarm on it so far

there's a lot of direct counterpoints to tos, but it's shuffled JUUUST enough so it feels like it isn't copying tos's homework word for word but rewording it to trick the teacher. for example, data is like spock in that he doesn't understand emotions or whatever, but it's actually the inverse because spock understands and pretends not to, while data truly doesn't understand but wants to. then you have deanna troi who's sort of filling in for the other thing spock used to do, which is give us general impressions about unknown alien life, but she SPECIFICALLY does it through emotions so she doesn't resemble spock too much. the captain and first officer have a lot of scenes together but they're tense so it doesn't look too tempting to the slash fans. the doctor is still a bit grumpy but she's a woman this time. they don't use tricorders but geordi's special prosthetic helps them see all that shit anyway. it's tos but shuffled. lmao that it took 2 people to replace spock <3

anyway my favorite part, aside from the part bones was in, was when riker and data talked in the holodeck. and riker was like actually yeah the fact that you're a machine DOES make me uncomfortable. and data is like well i am superior but i'd like to be human actually! and you could see the little gears in riker's head turning and later he called data friend. i liked that and i love data. i love data he's very important even though the pilot wasn't good i think i would keep watching no matter what for data. and i knew it would be like that.

[48787]

I am literally always correct about media

Three episodes into Bravern.

I saw the first episode, not even, the first fucking MOMENT it said "This is a training exercise" I knew, I fucking KNEW, I was in for the Evangelion Rebuild 0.00 You Do (Not) Want To Watch Evangelion experience. And my Brothers in Shinji Ikari's goop, I'm ignoring that parenthetical because thesis never exist in the first place, and parents never exist in the first place, it's all just the complete and constant Holy Trinity of living in the present for the present. And oh boy that Angel sure is Cruel.

If you don't think I'm speaking "Truth" you need to realize two things about me:

1. I've seen footage. They've shown us so much, and broke show-don't-tell DELIBERATELY multiple times to address the immediate concern that the audience should be asking IMMEDIATELY if they've seen the same footage as well (Like how it obviously has a 1 to 1 Evangelion LCL bit but it's green and referenced as "From The Abyss" doing that absolutely devilish charm of manipulating by never telling lies, only different truths, further proven by "Wait how do you know about that?" Or how the outro is clearly on a stage but then it almost tears or blurs into stars. You fuckers remember MyHouse.wad right?? You know this shit means something, right??) Or the invocation of very very very specific tropes followed by another very very very specific trope, or the deliberate subversion of trope followed by a character deliberately trying to force the trope out of subversion into genuinity. Many such cases, too many to list. I've just seen footage and I don't know how people don't see the fucking massive amount of narrative foils-per-minute, both within the show and connecting outside the show. The Evangelion shit is easy, it goes far deeper than that. (A good example is how they were clearly invoking starship troopers-y Earth patriotism and then subverted SST by the mixing of genders in a changing room seeming awkward and like it's not supposed to happen but happening anyway to form an extremely subtle juxtaposition.)

2. I stay noided. Every fucking subtle change of the framing device, of a characters features (Like in the outro alongside choice moments in the show, similar to the effect Cyberpunk Edgerunners that I can first remember coming from Evangelion), the minor moments of nonfalsifiability, the constant IN CHARACTER "Don't think about it just do it my way and it'll be okay" explanations that only rhetoric-obsessed mentally ill person like me would understand (Followed by things that only make sense if you knew what to look for), the fact that the intros and outros are literal propaganda that the audience WANTS to buy into (I believe representing the passion the fucking love hypercube evokes and each member experiences uniquely), the consistency of certain stylistic choices (Like conflating the stars and crosses to focus on Evangelion just a little more), the deliberate choice to use an entirely new stylistic transition or in between just to pretend like it wasn't anything important at all, it all MUST have meaning. The whole POINT is the power of inspiration and the neutrality of power being two coexisting ideas. The clothing metaphors, the masking metaphors, the gay metaphors that form subtle trans metaphors that form certain asexual-aromantic-agender metaphors, the literal fucking AT fields that are broken by vulnerability. Lewis (The current parallel to Bravern) loses but chooses what's cool so he can try it better next. Ishami (The current parallel to Lulu.. not Vi Brittania I swear, absolutely zero connection at all, tooooootally) is more "serious" but far more vulnerable and has his masks broken down.

They're fucking in a love triangle but tricked you it's actually a fucking square that's been folded so the corners are touching. Which corners are touching which? Good question asshole, it's all of them.

Someone thought "the MegOp ship is pretty cool. If they weren't around would it be Hotrod/Rodimus and Soundwave instead? They are kind of thematic opposites to both their normal foils anyway." and then made a whole show about that after everyone who ever heard that either didn't see enough footage or couldn't stay noided long enough to realize what a genius they were. And since no one understood just how much context builds up to even being able to think that in the first place, they just made the perfect show about manufacturing consent. For what? Literally anything and everything, including nothing.

I know exactly how fucked up the polycule formed when a mortal dares to ask "What if the three parts of the Holy Trinity, like, kissed and fucked and made out?" would be because I dare to ask it constantly, I am living it, we all are. It's the Divine Comedy, it is hell, it is chicken it is eggs it is in between your legs (10 points if you've seen enough footage to get this), and above all else it's hot as fuck and makes me want to never give up and live forever, no matter who you are no matter what you love doing.

I love this fucking show, I can't wait to finish it so I can be proven right on all accounts.

Y'all dumb motherfuckers keep refusing to understand Evangelion, your hubris makes you think you're somehow above Shinji, that you'd be different if you were put in his shoes. And that will always mean people like Lulu and Bravern will always exploit you for the love of doing it.

I have so many thoughts about this show and they're all right and if you think a single one of them is wrong you will literally be proven wrong because I will always be right, in time and out of time.

Maybe the next post or two will be more coherent since I'm taking a break, but I should actually finish the show first so I can gloat even harder about being objectively correct about everything in the universe ever.

[problematicraccoon]

movies n shows from my fame dr im gonna star in + my roles, plotlines and little story details <3 (beware of love lies bleeding spoilers)

my film debut is in the sequel to "Love Lies Bleeding", which i've named "Lovers Lie Bleeding".

the sequel directly follows the end of the first movie, where Lou and Jackie have escaped Louville, New Mexico, and fled to San Diego, California to lay low for a while. there, they meet Willow "Billie" Jones (played by me) an eccentric writer and the daughter of the city's police chief and the niece of the man running the motel.

Billie'd had a falling out with her mother, the chief of police, as her mom wanted her to follow in her footsteps and join the police force, but Billie just wanted to write. this prompted her to leave her family's home and live in her VW bus in the parking lot of her favorite uncle's motel.

when Jack and Lou drive in and rent a room in the middle of the night, Billie -who was asleep in the back of her van until she heard Lou and Jackie's truck outside- peeks out her window to see both looking thoroughly disheveled and jumpy as they quickly file into the motel room, shutting and locking the door behind them. Billie is suspicious of them from the get-go, sensing something off about them, and makes it her mission to find out what tf their problem is.

lots happens, the three end up in a polycule, blah blah blah, gay shit, and THEN Lou's father ends up tracking them down at the beginning of the third act, and all hell breaks loose.

a final boss battle ensues, Billie's kindly uncle is killed, the motel is set on fire, and Billie ends up shooting Lou Sr. in the head as he's attempting to kill Lou. there's a time skip at the very end of the movie to two years later. the three are alive and well, living on Rhode Island after faking their death in the fire of the motel. they get a happy(ish) ending together :)

then, after that movie, i get a supporting role on a new walking dead series called "The Walking Dead: Mizpah". Mizpah, meaning the strong emotional bond between people, especially between the living and the dead.

my character is named Lilka Nowak, and i havent worked out much about the character or the show, im gonna leave that up to the writers in my dr :)

then after that, i get the leading role in a new Star Trek show, called "Star Trek: Solivagant" Solivagant, meaning wandering alone.

my character is named Maven Amana, known as "Maverick" Amana back at the academy, a cocky, arrogant, privileged little shit, who's insanely intelligent and wildly reckless. im the daughter of Admiral Nasha Amana, and im a giant nepo baby.

fresh out of the academy, my mother used her influence to get me the command of the USS Astraea, a galaxy class star ship. my command obviously does not take to me at first, as i clearly do not belong in the captain's chair, and nearly everyone in my command is older than me.

the show touches on nepotism, privilege, self reflection and growth, classism, also there is a lot of gay shit <3 i have an enemies to lovers romance with the captain of a Romulan D'deridex-class starship, Captain Arrhae. probably played by Kristen Stewart.

[leffee]

Title: Galactic Showdown: Pepper vs. Shivers vs. Sugar

In a galaxy not so far away, aboard the bustling starship Nova Serenity, Pepper, Shivers, and Sugar found themselves in the midst of an unexpected challenge. Pepper, renowned for her quick wit and agile reflexes, had dared her friends to a lightsaber duel in the ship's training arena. Shivers, always confident in his abilities, eagerly accepted, while Sugar, known for her laid-back demeanor, shrugged with a mischievous glint in her eyes.

The training arena shimmered with holographic projections of starlit skies, setting the stage for their showdown. Pepper ignited her lightsaber first, the vibrant blue blade humming to life. Shivers followed suit, his crimson blade casting an ominous glow. Sugar, in her usual calm manner, activated her lightsaber last, and to the surprise of her friends, it emitted a dazzling rainbow-colored light.

"Ready, set, duel!" Pepper announced, leaping into action with a flurry of calculated strikes. Shivers, brimming with confidence, lunged forward with powerful swings, aiming to overwhelm both Pepper and Sugar. Sugar, however, moved with a grace that belied her casual attitude, effortlessly parrying Shivers' attacks while occasionally twirling her lightsaber with playful finesse.

As the duel progressed, Pepper and Shivers found themselves locked in a heated exchange, their lightsabers clashing and sparking against each other. Sugar, on the other hand, danced around the skirmish, occasionally deflecting stray bolts with precise movements.

With each passing moment, it became evident that Sugar's unorthodox approach was unsettling Shivers. While he focused on countering Pepper's swift strikes, Sugar capitalized on openings he left exposed. Her rainbow blade became a blur of motion, weaving effortlessly through the chaos of combat.

In a surprising twist, Sugar's strategy paid off. With a final flourish, she disarmed Shivers with a swift maneuver, sending his lightsaber spinning across the arena floor. Pepper, catching her breath, looked on in amazement as Sugar stood victorious, her rainbow lightsaber glowing brightly against the backdrop of the holographic stars.

Shivers chuckled good-naturedly, conceding defeat with a gracious nod. "Well played, Sugar. You certainly know how to keep us on our toes."

Sugar smiled, her eyes twinkling with satisfaction. "Thanks, guys. I guess sometimes, it's not about who strikes the hardest, but who dances with the flow."

And so, aboard the Nova Serenity, amidst the hum of starship engines and the glow of holographic stars, Pepper, Shivers, and Sugar celebrated their duel not just as a competition, but as a testament to the unique strengths they each brought to their adventures among the stars.

-This was an idea for something that feels like it went somewhere and no where lol

Bro, what is this Star Wars kinda thingy? At least that's what I assume it is (never watched it, well I tried once and it bored me to no end but I do know there's galaxies and lightsabers there :))

I see you're keeping true with incorporating other characters like in this case Sugar and Shivers <3. Sugar with that gay rainbow lighsaber, where'd she get that cause I want one. Not a toy, I mean a real saber that can kill people ^^

"It's not about who strikes the hardest, but who dances with the flow," huh? Well then, no wonder Vinnie's not there, he'd win! Orrr not given that he's a terrible dancer ahaha. Oh welp, who really knows?

I also want you to know that I read this while randomly a very epic song came out on my playlist so this fight scene was so good in my head xD. Sugar wins cause she the best <3.

You know what that made me think of? (If you want) you can write something going along with that one thought I had a long time ago - what would happen if Vinnie was angry (Sunil not coming in for the day style) and Sugar wasangry (no sprinkles on her head style)? Cause you know, they both have destructive tendencies in such cases, so would they work together to bring destruction or would they fight with each other? Feel free to do something with that if you wanna

[the-official-account]

Is it just me, or does lesbian fandom have a problem?

My name is Edil. I've been a medium-sized name in several small fandoms, especially podcast fandoms. I am also a women appreciator, and enjoy media that centers on women. I'm going to mostly be talking about my experiences in two fandoms: The Strange Case Of Starship Iris and Pasithea Powder, both podcasts with central wlw ships, though I've also seen these same issues in Goncharov (1973) of all places.

When I go into fandom I go hard. My brain, which is very autistic, breaks down information of small details for fun. It's the reason why I wrote a dwarnian (TSCOSI's fictional alien language) dictionary for the podcast. The reason why I have a massive notes document on all of Pasithea's season one and the reason the wiki...looks and reads like that. It isn't owned by me, but most of the formatting, fonts, content: yours truly.

And I'm proud of these projects, which took time and effort and skill building to do! But I haven't finished or caught up with either of these podcasts, and that's because the online spaces that center around them have been overwhelmingly hostile.

I have a strong emotional connection to this issue — of whether or not sapphic fandoms tend to be more hostile to diversity, especially race and nuerodivergance — so I can't make a distinct analysis, not without more distance and more information. That's part of why I am making this post.

Mods and members of the TSCOSI discord circa 2020 will know me, and know why I left. That being a series of unwarranted criticisms and bad faith readings that left me with anxiety even interacting with the fandom I loved.

I am probably a lot less known in the Pasithea fandom, because I wrote fewer fics for it and left more quickly. After TSCOSI, I recognized resentment faster. But the Pasithea notes document that I've posted here before and the wiki, three fics, fan art and that one comic that's still to this day the only comic I've drawn: me.

This is not a callout post, not for individuals or for groups, and I don't have screenshots. I am only trying to open a discussion.

See, the pattern that I am seeing is that fandom spaces centering on wlw ships attract fans who are wlw. And while nothing is inherently wrong with that, issues in the lesbian community start to become very obvious.

Firstly, the lack of diversity in sexuality among most of the fan base (As I suspect bi and gay people have largely more popular media that attracts them, and lesbians have to dig deeper for smaller spaces like these podcast) starts to feed this sense of possession among fans. As if there is a correct, normal, or standard way to be sapphic. A set of rules stating that anyone who doesn't obey it hates lesbians.

From Pasithea, I got this in comments about how I was drawing the characters "ugly" (Jane is canonically fat and has a scar, which I made very visible...because I wanted to. I gave her strong Hispanic features because it appealed to me. Sophie is butch, and canonically has or had a buzz cut. Which is what I drew. — The "appearance" section of the wiki? Yup. I wrote that.)

These comments, which were themselves problematic, came from a place of implying I was lesbiphobic for drawing these wlw as "ugly". When in fact, I was drawing the type of characters that would appeal the most to me, and hopefully to others like me.

These expectations of skinny, eurocentric appearing, usually feminine characters... Well it reflects a lot of issues with TERF-y feminism and lesbianism at large. Lesbianism on the internet has an issue with gender essentialism that isn't universal but is incredibly worrying. And when WOC are often masculinized because of their non-white features, that transphobia becomes anti-butchness (or strict standards of butchness) and racism.

While TSCOSI fans were more receptive to my designs, I was drawing in a less realistic style where "ugly" was less of an issue — and, to be frank, The main ship being Southeast and South Asian made it hard to draw them "ugly" from a eurocentric perspective. Realism there would just be...exotic, I guess.

However, with TSCOSI fans there was still a sense of possession around how these characters were interpreted, especially in headcannons, that lead to me deleting more than I posted as time went on. Some of those were genuine issues on my part ("what if the Jewish guy was a vampire in a au haha!" I said. Then went to bed, woke up, googled it, and went "NOPE! NOPE!!! SORRY.") Others were just unnecessary, such as comments on how silly head cannons were "unrealistic", and how I should write more cannon compliant work, rather than what I was doing for fun.

Ultimately these are the ONLY things that made me stop listening to these podcasts. The ONLY reason I put down the projects I poured consecutive hyperfixate weeks into. Part of me thinks it was this enthusiasm in the first place that was the biggest threat others reacted to in how I spoke and acted.

For instance, in trying to write for both the TSCOSI and Pasithea wikis, I had folks try to change my methods of research and writing to a style that worked best for them. When I said they were welcome to work that way, there was no offers to assist. And communication with those who had established work was either non-existent or hostile. I've had people question if my passion projects were necessary, berate me for meaningless mistakes, and treat what could be fun collaborative work like a pissing contest. For TSCOSI, none of this occurred on the wiki, and mostly around documents I owned for my own note taking. Even then, the hostility of Wikipedia culture is an unnecessary and hurtful thing to bring into fandom wiki culture.

The TSCOSI people went on to make a wonderful wiki that I deeply admire, but I still wish I could have been part of that project in its infancy, instead of being pushed away. (I may have made the navigation system if I remember correctly, but I'm not certain. So this is not to say I was not allowed any input whatsoever.)

I love sapphic media, it's my bread, butter, pride, joy, and favorite past time. But time and time again I have found far safer social spaces for media that centers around gay men, even if it isn't my personal first choice.

As a non-white, non-allistic, non-lesbian, not-skinny fan...I have concerns.

I know you all want sapphic media to get more attention. I want that too. But unless you start actively searching for and calling out bigotry in those spaces, it absolutely cannot and will not happen. So much of fandom is powered by autistic people with time on their hands, and I want there to be space for people like me. Who get TOO excited, TOO far from cannon, TOO analytical about race and class and fatphobia and whatever else.

Sapphic media obviously has issues reaching fans that aren't the fault it's its current audience. But the good thing about being part of or close to a problem, is having the power to make incredible, effective change.

I refuse to leave these podcasts behind, I love them more than anything, and the projects I got out of them are still my beloved brain children (The alien calligraphy from the random writing system I made for dwarnian is still up on my wall. "It is what. It IS what, keeps us from the abyss.") I refuse to be shoved aside my racist fans and random people who assume they can act rudely to strangers because they treated characters or lore differently. I refuse to be sidelined from conversations just cause I can act weird.

But I also refuse to spend so much of my beloved labor on people who turn up their noses and belittle it.

This all has had a lasting effect on how I interact with fandom, a legitimate fear-responce to the idea of trying to engage deeply with women-centered podcasts. Something I'm trying to unlearn and overcome.

So. There's my explanation of why I don't do tscosi anymore, which I mentioned on the minibang I'd eventually follow up on. And a criticism of sapphic fandom which, I'll be real, I have a few more essays worth of commentary about, and it's also another expression of how I stare longingly at Pasithea every time it comes up on my dash.

But, most importantly, this is my question of whether anyone else has found themselves in a similar place. If it's a trend or an anecdote.

If you have thoughts, please reblog with them. I'd love to know what you have to say.

[pimglo]

tag tag tag!

"Tag 9 people you want to get to know better. Or however many."

Tagged by @starship-strfck AND @doritwo (kiss and kiss both of you <333) and now by @uniquedeerwitch 💙💙💙

Three ships: (the ones I opened last in ao3 lol)

jayvik (obv)

tfgraves (official gays my favourite <3)

sokkla (from ATLA, they were my favorite characters ok?? XD) (REALIZED THEY'RE UNDERAGE IN THE SHOW everything ive read has been aged up LMAOOO) (also also also i was 14 when I watched the show last lol, I forgot fictional characters don't age with me bruh)

First ever ship: uuuhhh I tried to look but I have no idea, I genuinely don't remember lmao (nothing long lasting untill JayVik)

Last song:

Last Movie: The Super Mario Bros. Movie in the cinema

Currently Reading: fanfiction~ Vulnerability by TradingJack

Currently Watching: hyperfixating on Drawfee content for a month now

Currently Consuming: sugar with a little bit of tea

Currently craving: cold crisp beer

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[whirligig-girl]

god this is tough. Like. A female captain in 1960s would have been ridiculous for sensibilities of the time, but probably would have had a positive impact (unless it lead to the show being cancelled earlier idk). Same for a very logical female first officer. But the trouble is, THEN WE WOULDNT HAVE SPIRK. The Star Trek fandom owes its existence to Spirk shippers, and like, sure, people would probably ship them anyway, but it wouldn't be the same. It wouldn't be gay. If I could genderbend them both I'd do it in a heartbeat. But not one or the other.

So that in mind... I know already that Bones but a woman is great, because that's Pulaski, and Pulaski is great!* But then again, we already have Pulaski, so maybe we don't need two. Plus, people would be misogynist about Bones' unpleasantness if she was a woman, we know that from the fandom's treatment of Pulaski. Then again, people are gonna be misogynist about women anyway.

Between the other three supporting cast, I think Scotty would absolutely be the best choice to genderbend. She'd be the iconic chief engineer of a starship, in a major technical role, and head of a major department making her arguably more of a girlboss than Bones (who has only a few nurses report to him) or Spock (who doesn't seem to have his own department, though he is in command quite often). Heck, even Scotty is in command on occasion, being the second officer.

I'm pretty neutral about genderbending Sulu, but I do think Chekov would be easily the worst choice, since as it is he's kind of a gimmick character. Like, you don't really take him seriously when he's cracking jokes about russians inventing so and so and whatnot. If we only have such a small number of female characters on the bridge, I don't want one of them to be more or less the comic relief character.

(* before you go on about Dayta and Dahta, consider--Pulaski befriends Data over the course of the season and clearly respects him by the end of her run. If anything she maybe personifies him too much, ascribing emotions that he claims to be incapable of.)

So yeah. Spirk must remain homosexual, femBones is just Pulaski (which we deserved to see more of, but which we did technically get in TNG), and so I think my answer has to be Scotty.

A common complaint I’ve seen about Star Trek is that there is a lack of regular female characters besides Uhura and sorta Chapel. Now, that can be attributed to 60s sexism, but TOS didn’t have an unlimited budget, so creating a female character would probably lead to the elimination of a male regular. Which is why I ask you…

[gregkauffmanstarkeybooks]

I choose not to call it sci-fi; rather I call it speculative fiction. An interstellar salvage hauler is drawn into galactic trouble when one of his salvages includes a runaway princess who refuses to return to her home planet.

"Captain Riggar Downe runs an interplanetary salvage ship that does pickup and disposal jobs for different factions of the Stellar Government. One routine hauling job quickly turns into an inter-galactic incident when Riggar salvages a downed starship with its cargo still on board – an escaped Princess and her entourage. A high price has been placed on the girl’s head by a powerful gangster thug, who wants the Princess so he can control her father, the mighty King Radnar of Ghent.

Officials want Riggar to turn the Princess over to them. The gangster wants to capture her to use as a pawn in his deadly game of power-mongering. The Princess wants to escape from her father so she can live her own life. Riggar just wants to get out of this alive and get paid.

From the moment he accepts the job to recover the fallen ship, Riggar’s life is in constant danger from one direction or another. He has the skills to survive, but are his skills enough to keep him alive?"

Riggar is gay but not explicitly. He doesn't actively pursue romance among the stars. There is no graphic sexuality in this novel, but it has been called a "fun read" by one reviewer.

This novel is available on Amazon in both paperback and ebook formats.

[redphienix]

It's funny seeing the current "teams" on the helldivers discussion.

You have the "completely worthless shithead" group who are the type to yell vitriol and hate whenever they get the chance and they think this is a wonderful chance. I hate these people but at least their mask off moment makes it easy to build a block list when they start screaming about how the concept of a gay or trans person is ruining the game. Same group who most often lack media literacy in the first place and make all those cringy "We couldn't be the bad guys, we're for democracy" style posts.

You have the "Fix the game" group with a wide range of understanding what's wrong- as in some truly don't, and some truly do. The varied opinions make this a fucking cacophony but that's been true of pretty much every "Fix the game" group in every game, it's a difficult thing to read through and build an understanding from.

You have the "Entitled gamers" group who just want to discredit everyone above them on this list by creating a list of assumptions and applying them to every person up there. Pretty worthless tier to be in but at least you get funny things like claiming people who solo super helldive just want the game changed because it's too hard for them. Or claiming anyone who wants the weapons to not feel like shit must be a cod, fortnite, apex etc gamer which is a neat one. Or, of course, repeating over and over how it's supposed to feel bad because we're disposable soldiers and this is a milsim "and you're too stupid to understand that", when it's not. We are that thing, that should add relevant flavor to our experience, it's not a milsim and doesn't play to those notes in the slightest, as well as not playing to the same tune as "losing is fun" style games like dwarf fortress, kenshi (kinda), PZ etc. It does have some of the flavor of that! That's why getting blown up can be funny when handled correctly!! But nope! And it's only gotten less lenience on that point as the game has adjusted to attempt and force the silly "losing is fun (but good)" moments incorrectly.

Honestly the best they've handled the disposable angle is with the wonderful visual hell gleefully shown to us every time we get to "our" ship and see the array of frozen meatbags to be sent to slaughter, the starship trooper like mega-patriotism showing how brainwashed we are thus justifying our 'waste' (both in manpower and in gratuitous weapon use), and the amount of our weapons that are clearly "too high grade and dangerous" for sane use. Then they fuck that all up and say "Oh it means we're all using playdoh guns and ragdoll infinitely since we're weak" which ironically goes too far and makes the message murky- because the critique of military spending and dehumanization worked better when we have ultra weapons and we die a lot to them- not when we're handed bb guns and our deaths are most often just annoying "Oh, unlucky, a patrol of hunters spawned under me :/"

Being a bad entry in the "losing is fun" category is a bad thing I'm sorry to say. At a certain point you're saying walking off the ledge in super mario bros is the best part and you look weird. I find this group most annoying I think. Anyone yelling "Entitled gamers" over a game blatantly being less than it was at launch and less than it's potential and defending that assertion of your fellow player being lesser by saying "It's SUPPOSED to kinda suck and you don't GET it" is so stupid. It's lore flavor already does influence how it plays in good ways- YOU don't get it lmao.

Then you have the "It's already perfect you're all just stupid, go play another game" group who, to keep it simple in alignment with their very simple "Just go play another game" catch phrase, I'm glad they are enjoying the game

...and if they simply did that instead of spending most of their time insulting anyone who wants "better" (as in that particular person's definition) I'd even respect them :) (they don't.)

At the current moment I'd assume the final group is the most happy because a lot of us who are annoyed with the direction the game took ARE playing different games.

I mean hell, I'm happy with the multiple hundreds of hours of enjoyment I got from it, and while I'm disappointed that it's in a state I find far less enjoyable and lacking in comparison to its potential- I'm not mad at the devs or game for that and I'm happy to play other stuff in the meantime / for good if nothing changes.

I AM a petty bitch who's annoyed at the discussion's low points though lmao. I ain't above that. The weirdos being toxic levels of negative are pathetic to me and the weirdos attempting to discredit any critique without offering more than a skin-deep rebuttal embarrass me.

Mostly I just think it's funny when I see random takes on steam or wherever that are like "You should just go play CoD, you clearly don't GET it" and then that person's library is the most milquetoast thing you've ever seen.

They'll say "YoU don't GET that we're disposable soldiers, you would never understand a game where you're not power tripping!" and then they've never played a single game that's actually about struggling and how fun that can be- just speaking out of their ass- it's frustrating.

[1shirt2shirtredshirtdeadshirt]

Why people think I ship Kirk/Spock:

*H0rny thirst*

Why I actually ship Kirk/Spock:

Mutual support, respect, admiration, trust, love, slow burn, best friend turned love of your life, ultimate sacrifice, the depth of loyalty, being the most important to each other, showing our differences and vulnerabilities are strengths instead of weaknesses, depending on others isn't wrong, willingness to connect, "let me help" . . .

Soulmates, t'hy'la, found family, lgbt+ representation, domestic bliss at least for a few years for two people who really f**in' earned it . . . 

Both guys not ending up canonically sad and lonely as they grow older bc they never really "settle” long term with anyone else besides each other.

Like what did you genuinely want us to do with that, like -- our boys deserve to be happy and they mutually love each other so much. 

Heck yeah, I love the idea of the two of them growing older together while still being in love and best friends.

Having adventures, solving problems and writing history all over the universe together.

Having a stellar time doing it because being next to each other is their favourite place to be; on a Starship, being the best team ever. It's beautiful.

Another very important reason why this fandom and K/S has been a safe place to land for me as a member of LGBT+:

My connection to Star Trek started through my family, but I loved it because it offered me a glimpse at the kind of world that I'd like to live in; more accurately, the world I was desperate to live in. 

The world I was raised in was bitterly cruel and violent to LGBT+ folks like myself. I visited far too many friends in the ICU, unrecognizably beaten after a gay hate crime, than I ever should have had to --  especially in my young life before the age of 20. Those are images and ugly moments burned into my memory that will haunt me until I die. People talk about how pro-LGBT things are these days, and sure, things are certainly better; but I think too many people have swiftly forgotten how dire things were for us even those short years ago, even now. 

Gene Roddenberry did something for me at that time when I was so bitterly lonely, conflicted about identity, and self-resentful in my life; I had genuinely considered ending it more than once. But TMP novel did something so huge for me back then when I was so turbulent and alone in the tiniest way possible.

I read TMP novel in high school; actually reading something that even remotely resembled a bisexual character when I first read this line from Jim Kirk in TMP novel was such a game changer for me at that time:

That small sentence might be next to nothing for some people, but that was huge for me. So huge that I don't think Gene Roddenberry might have ever considered how big that it could be for some isolated, lonely kid out there reading it.  

I cried my heart out in my room stuck on that page when I first read it, because it really shook my soul. It was proof that at some point in time, someone out there had been brave enough to express the kind of feelings that I so fiercely hid in my mind.

That might sound really pathetic to the people reading this, but you have to understand how positively starved a person can be for commiseration or empathy when you are on the outside looking in constantly.

It is part of why I have always related to Spock so fiercely; that sense of belonging nowhere, being "weird", of not quite fitting in or meeting expectations -- and constantly being reminded of it.

All those moments growing up when you look around yourself seeking validation as a child and teen, looking for like minded people or kin; I looked around and found myself reflected literally nowhere.

It's like that metaphorical hand suspended in the air, waiting for a high five, and not one single, solitary person meets you halfway. Not one crumb of validation.

Then everyone around you makes you feel like you're weird and wrong and malfunctioning and not supposed to think that way and just be quiet and don't talk about it ever. Just be "normal." 

I was so damn lonely. And scared.

Nobody around me thought or felt like me. I was raised in a strict Pentecost upbringing. Everything to do with LGBT+ was unequivocally off the table.

If I tried to even tentatively broach the subject of bisexuality with folks, most people would respond with revulsion; as if it were some perverted, weird sex kink. When like everybody else, I simply hoped to be loved someday for exactly who I was. Plain and simple.

I was a closeted bisexual teen living in the bible belt. It was a sheltered, oppressive existence for anyone, but especially for someone who identified as LGBT+. 

 Sad as it might be, this was the closest thing I'd ever gotten in my life thus far to bisexual representation or validation. It was the first example I remember seeing in any of the stories that I loved growing up. Up to that point, I hadn't heard or seen anyone else in the world express exactly how I felt inside anywhere. Until James T. Kirk.

So forgive me if I somehow hurt or upset other fans when I read it through my own lens in my desperation to feel seen or understood. What other way can we look at the world and it's many stories, after all, other than through our own eyes?

To be quite frank, those few little ambiguous words from Jim Kirk in that footnote of that dusty old 1979 1st edition Star Trek: The Motion Picture novel that I still have on my bookshelf all these years later?

That tiny little sentence absolutely rocked my bisexual f**king world in high school.

That one tiny sentence meant so much to me. I re-read that page so many times. I even stuck a bookmark in the page and I’d pop it open after yet another long, shitty day of being harassed, chased, or called a "f@g".

Call it pathetic, but I’d feel a little sear of camaraderie in my angry, lonely existence. 'At least Jim Kirk has my back, f**k those guys". And it made me feel a tiny bit less alone in this giant universe.

I can still recite it word for word. I used to read it over and over again, just to have that giddy feeling in my heart of: "Oh God, what a relief. There it is. There I am. Someone else out there wrote down exactly how I feel inside. It's right there in this book. It's a real thing that exists somewhere outside my head."

For the first time in my life, I saw something even remotely like myself represented somewhere, and I found that in Jim Kirk.

Some people might call that "a reach".

By all means, go ahead.

But do that bearing in mind the kind of reality that people like myself contended with when you get “upset” that we might be “queer washing” your character by pushing for representation:

- Homosexuality was listed as a mental illness in the DSM5 until 1974.

- Anti-sodomy laws were not considered unconstitutional until 2003 in the US (as in you could legally get arrested/charged for engaging in homosexual acts up to that time).

- The Netherlands was the 1st country to legalize gay marriage and that was only as recently as 2001. Canada legalized gay marriage in 2005. The US did not legalize gay marriage until 2015 and they are currently gunning to take that right away again. 

*It is important to note that the definition of spouse only included same-sex partners only starting in 2013; that means that if a person was dying in the ICU, you were prohibited from visiting them unless you were legal family. For decades right up until 2013, your right to visit your lover if either of you were on your deathbed was revoked on the basis that you were not married -- and that right was not even offered to LGBT+ folks till 2001.*

So, yeah.

Maybe it is "a reach" through your privileged lens, having all the representation in the world at your disposal if you identify as straight - I mean, God forbid we might like a scattered one or two on our team.

But it is also very hard to secure legitimate representation when the society and culture you grow up in tells you that you should not exist in the first place.

Not only demands that you shouldn't exist, but legally persecutes you for it or forces you into cruel, inhuman religious conversion therapy simply for existing. For trying to love someone else honestly.

So pardon me for being absolutely starved for even the slightest hint of a vapour that resembled representation during a time period when I was asked (moreso ordered) not to exist and barely wanted to as a product of it.

God forbid that my seeing potential bisexuality in Jim Kirk might actually put you off of your Star Trek chowder because "eeeewww, bisexual Jim" . . . how very selfish of me. /s

But sure . . . y'know.

I'm just mindlessly "h0rny", and all that.

[kidlit-queen-competition]

oH FUCK i forgot the propaganda!

Raboneil:

shes a sexy genocidal crab MILF villain that created a new type of light through the power of violence and sapphic harmonising.

Okay so when she and Navani (another scientist) were working together on anti-light there was TOTALLY something going on as pretty much the entire Tumblr fandom and the navaniel tag can tell you Like they literally had to hum and harmonize to create the right sound for Warlight, and when Raboniel dies they fucking hold hands and harmonize one last time

(spoilers for Rhythm of War) Raboniel was so dedicated to killing all humans that she once developed a disease that should've genocided them but in the end it only killed 1 in 10. After torturing and being tortured on the hell planet for four thousand years she's tired, and just wants the war to end one way or another. The only thing that peaks her interest is 55-year old fabrial engineer Queen Navani, who is similarly willing to do anything, research anything, to help the humans win. Together, they make new music: the Rhythm of War.

Nastya Rasputina

She is canically gay and is the engineer of the starship. Who is sentient. And her girlfriend. Yes the starship is sentient and her girlfriend.

canonically wlw AND trans. is literally dating her sentient ship, Aurora (in both a romantic and sexual sense.) shes the last princess of Cyberia, which is pretty much just Sprussia (Space Russia) (her backstory is really just the Romanov massacre but make it cyberpunk).

She is an imortal space pirate. She's dating the spaceship (who's name is Aurora). She has mercury for blood. She has forced the mechanisms to go do quests because Aurora was sad. She has the most autistic swag of any charcter I have ever seen.

Canonically a lesbian and dating the sentient starship aurora!! Also immortal space pirate

Not only is she the engineer of a sentient spaceship, she's also in a romantic and sexual relationship with the ship!

Round 1 poll 28: Raboneil from The Stormlight Archives vs Nastya Rasputina from the Mechanisms

[green5quirrel]

Star Trek SNW Headcannons

This is some of my Star Trek Strange New Worlds bullshit. Feel free to scroll, followers. Scroll like the wind!

So far Star Trek: SNW has been the most Heterosexual Star Trek in YEARS. Granted, we're just a bit past halfway through the first season. There's been queer shit mentioned-ish. But compared to DISCO, this series has embraced being the gayest straight show since TOS.

I like it. Don't me wrong. The nostalgia is ON FIRE with this show. I'm just eating it up like a turtle and a strawberry. (Om...nom...fucking nom...)

But my thirst to see my queer fam represented (as well as myself) on screen has lead my brain to turn into a neon rainbow cloud of electricity with one mission: gay everyone. Gay as verb, mind you. I want to gay EVERYONE.

Now, I won't. In my headcannons I'm sure they'll be a token straight character, so don't you worry my little allies.

But I need more queer.

Get ready your hate comments, my sweet lampreys, because I'm about to RUIN some stuff.

Pike: I'm about to start ruining right now. Pike is our token hetero. He's a tried and true ally, but he has a thing for powerful feminine energy. He wants to be RULED. (But what about Spock?? You leave Kirk's bitch out of this!)

Una: Bi. Lusting over La'an. Knowing the chain of command, tho, so not wanting to do anything about it. Probably has had a previous romantic life. Perhaps has a child/children.

La'an: Lusting over Una. Follows the damn rules so same as Una. Repressed emotionally enough to have only had unsuccessful flings. Is too intimidating for most, even the butchest among them. Loves women but doesn't need your fucking labels because she's so out of touch with her romantic side that she doesn't even think about it.

Ortegas: Ace/Demi (that's right, AT ME). She is passionate as hell. She is friend. She is queer platonic with Chapel. She is loving some garlic bread and cake. She is tired of your bullshit.

Spock: Pan. I mean, if he's gonna be bi (which he totally is) it would be just as logical to be pan because there are so many expressions of gender and spectrums of anatomical and genetic sexual characteristics...why limit? Fascinating. He also has a crush on everyone all the time. Polyam as well because ¿Por qué no dos?

Chapel: Thinks she needs a man but really she just needs a family. She's in so many queer platonics she has trading cards. She likes sex. If anything she is pan. But she thinks she wants to settle down. Pines for one person while not realizing she actually wants everyone. Also has a kink for aliens. Would never tell anyone she's sweet on Hemmer. But who wouldn't be?

M'Benga: Complicated. His love is focused on his daughter currently. His energy is taken by figuring out how to save her. No time for relationships other than the platonic family ones he's making with the crew or professional specialists he's working with to treat her. He's a sweet cinnamon roll and I hope they give him happiness. I'd want him on my side. Fierce love, that one.

Hemmer: My love! Hemmer! Hello, dear! He's super gay. Has an Andorian low-key partner he connects with daily on another starship (Shran story influence). They joke about how Starfleet tries to spread the aliens out to every ship and that's why they've never been assigned together. They're casual because neither have the emotional resources to dedicate to each other in a committed way. But neither one are too invested in seeking out other partners either. Both have traumatic backstories where they are rejected by their family units. I even have his partner's name. Etnar. Also, Etnar's a botanist.

Uhura: Super into other cultures, she is super pan. Everything is open to her. She wants to know. She has compassion. Her relationships have been strong and passionate. But she is still wandering before settling down. She is focused on what's in front of her, not the future. Crushes? Oh yeah. Like Christine she can't help but find everyone so attractive but also so interesting. She doesn't know if she'll ever feel like she truly belongs but she wants to make the MOST of her time! I just can't wait to see where they take her. And unlike the other characters, I really don't need to see her in a relationship. She is a such a full character already. I just want to see what she accomplishes!

Kirk: You think I'd pass up Sammy? Nah. He's curious. He'll try anything once. He defies labels. He just does things for the sake of doing them. He gets hurt. He gets up. He tries someone else. Ends up in a surprisingly stable relationship. Probably with an androgynous alien without the definitions of sex and gender that we have. They're very happy together.

[ichayalovesyou]

I’ve been carefully and industriously combing through The Naked Time for various purposes, mostly meta and fanfic related reasons and its, I’m just-

It is just SO FULL

Of Raw. Gay. Pining.

THEY HAD TO HAVE KNOWN WHAT THEY WERE DOING RIGHT?

And it’s not just Spock! I mean of course we get

“Love, emotion, is in bad taste”

“Jim... when I feel friendship for you I’m ashamed!”

“I spent a whole lifetime learning to hide my feelings”

But the LGBT+ interpretations for JIM’s lines are so REAL too!

“I’ve got it, the disease... love! You’re better off without it and I’m better off without mine!”

“You’re allowed to notice her- a Captain’s not permitted.”

“This vessel, she won’t permit me my life.”

I know a lot of straight fans will be like “oh he never has a long term relationship with a woman because his true love is the Enterprise who, because it’s a ship, is called she. Hetero man love for female pronouned inanimate objects ftw!” (Even though he sacrifices the Enterprise and almost his career as well just to save Spock before he even knew that Spock was alive/could be resurrected)

Contextualize it for the time period for a second. How many closeted gay men have gotten married only to be still, of course profoundly unhappy, because getting married didn’t get rid of those feelings? Then go back to the arbitrary pronouns used for a starship.

Now I’m a firm believer in the Kirk is Bisexual fanon/canon, but I don’t think him referencing Janice & the Enterprise was an accident.

He is married to the Enterprise in a way that much is true so-

If he can’t even get close to Janice because of Her (the Enterprise) how could he possibly be with Spock?

They’re both aching because they think they can’t be together.

Spock thinks they can’t be together because of his Vulcan heritage has rendered him incapable of love.

Kirk thinks they can’t be together because he isn’t allowed to be vulnerable and has to be The Captain 24/7.

They’re both terrified by how they feel.

They only kinda come to terms with it by the end of the episode. They check in, they’re still processing what just happened between them.

You can’t tell me that this conversation:

Kirk: The time warp, what’d it do to us?

Spock: We seem to have gone back in time, we now have three days to live over again.

Kirk: Heh... not those last three days.

Spock: This does open up some intriguing prospects Captain.

Kirk: [looks at him for a long time] We may risk it someday Mr. Spock.

Isn’t 150000% talking about their relationship. There’s no way is not.

This episode may not have Pon Farr and wrestling on the sparkling sands of Vulcan-

But I’d argue The Naked Time is just as (if not even more because of how relatable it is even now) gay as Amok Time.

There’s a reason they used clips from this episode while talking about Spirk in Adam Nimoy’s (Leonard Nimoy’s son) documentary about his father, For The Love of Spock.

It’s so brilliant, and visible, there’s no way the writer’s didn’t know what they were doing. That or at least a few people involved were being very, very clever about how this scene was done.