#bi dean truthing

[deanwasalwaysbi]

Phil Sgriccia, director of spn 4x02, speaking on SPN Then & Now, as Dean in that episode: Dean doesn't give [Sam], "Oh by the way, I had this dream sequence with the good looking guy in the trenchcoat."

Cool. cool cool cool.

[samwinchestermydude]

I think we as Sam fans should be more annoying and loud about the fact that his crossroad demons were men twice.

(This is me being pissed off about how people will say dean is of course bi due to some dumb shit like the siren, which was his brother, and “bi lighting” or something, and then turn around and say Sam is the straightest character. Like what.)

[avengersnewb]

If Cas was not Dean’s love interest in the narrative then why did they stop giving him romantic partners after Lisa? Why did we get all sorts of romantic arcs for destiel in the show? Why did Dean say he wants to experience some people in a different way? Why was he is so fucking bi-coded???????

[deancasforcutie]

WHY in Year 4 of Canon Destiel am I still seeing posts like "If they didn't want us to see it as gay, they shouldn't have [x surface-level observation]"??? why the self-doubt you can do better than that!

if they didn't want us to see it as gay, they wouldn't have made it canonically gay! they wouldn't have kept it canon no walk-backs for these four years running! they wouldn't have followed it up with A Supernatural Romance spinoff where everyone is bi because Dean is and whose creatives all said lol yeah our parallel structure and queer rep support Destiel, and Jack knows what's next! people figured out and settled this in like 2019, our job NOW is to point and laugh at the regressive weirdos online who think they're doing something by erasing queer text and the creative fight against censorship for it

[wolvesofinnistrad]

Stucky got No Homoed. Destiel gave Castiel a gay love confession then sent him to superhell. Sterek let Derek have ambiguous feelings about Stiles jeep and then burned him alive.

Buddie: Buck comes out as bi and kisses a man.

[cassierobinsons]

quick fic rec for you lot: permanent by petramacneary

it's a E-rated cas pov 5x21 episode tag 😁

[destielwarmsthecocklesofmyheart]

why was he screaming cas’s name… why was misha in a field… 14 cut scenes… the weird ass fall to the dungeon floor… the cut from carry on to carry on…

*im going insane*

[inalandofsadclowns]

How are Dean's breakups with his best bros and pals always tons more emotional than those between Sam and his girlfriends

[rotzaprachim]

the thing about y tu mamá también is that it is far, far too good a movie to be lumped in with Tumblr nonsense and it’s absolutely about class and neoliberalism and the early aughts political situation in Mexico in light of hundreds of years of history and bisexuality and the inevitability of fate as everyone hurtles down paths set from before the movie ever began. But it’s also a wild movie to look at in light of the current tumblr dramas over queerbaiting and why would a character lie to the audience. I saw someone on here say this movie wasn’t gay enough, because collectively jacking off with your bestie on parallel diving boards is a famously heterosexual thing to do. My point is that the folks who lost it over the 2020 destiel confession would have outright died in the theatre over the circa 2001 julioch kiss

[mybrainproblems]

look. the levels of "you know, i always thought i could be a good dancer if i wanted to be" in 15x10 are just. so much to me!!

the more i think about s15, the more i see the little callbacks and easter eggs to earlier seasons. (the writers did their homework!) we have what i think is probably the most recognized/cited one, "daddy's blunt instrument" which predates every writer working on s15. i guess arguments could be made for singer but i just don't see him making that sort of contribution to a berens-penned ep. but there are so many other little things and i do think dean's line about thinking he could've been a good dancer is both a metaphor and a callback to 07x16 out with the old.

which like.

it was also something of a metaphor in s7. you have the literal meaning of dean seeing the ballet shoes in s7 and clearly being drawn to them in a way that sam isn't, the references to both black swan and swan lake. (and clearly a knowledge of swan lake given the reference to prince siegfried.) but you also have the metaphorical meaning of the shoes with dean being drawn to something that is perceived to be non-masculine and "delicate" and nothing like hunting. that he wants to have that in some capacity. and then we get a reference back to that in 15x10!! the acknowledgement that he always thought he could be a good dancer if he wanted to be. said with wistfulness! and it's said as they watch garth and bess dancing together. the face he makes when sam jokes he was good at the macarena and totally brushes off what dean is saying. given the lamp. given everything in the episode. yes, it's about dancing and wanting normalcy. it's about settling down and having a life. it's about dancing with someone.

you ask "why lamp?" you fucking know why. and so does andrew dabb.

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also: references to swan lake the ep before cas returns is uh. a lot. this is however an instance where i'm not 100% onboard with it being an intentional destiel thing.

* there is literally nothing delicate about dance/dancers tho, it's literally just perception. i had friends who danced and they were pure muscle and grace. it's wild.

[fagqueer]

okay look it would be one thing if there were like a few girls who were clearly not dean's type that he turned down here and there, but my mans was saying no every damn time!

[thetruthbetween]

In 'Nic is cranky and Done' news, I see ONE more post about "if you don't like SPN in exactly this way that I like it, you're not a real fan" post, I'ma start blocking bitches

First off, not everyone even ships m/m?! Like god fucking damn.

Secondly, not everyone who doesn't ship wincest does ship destiel, so literally fucking stop with that claim.

Thirdly, people are literally allowed to like things for different reasons?? Without having to put up with being told (directly or indirectly) that they don't "really" like it, holy shit.

Like, yeah, I see the canon. I see how enmeshed Sam and Dean are. I'm aware that if any two characters who did not canonically fuck were going to fuck, it'd most likely be Sam and Dean. I still don't ship it. I still will never ship it.

My reasons? First and foremost, I don't ship m/m. Full stop. I have never shipped m/m. I'm entirely too fucking queer for that, my ships require a minimum of one woman in them. Secondly? I actually fucking hate codependence. I loathe the fact that Sam and Dean are so enmeshed they can't function without each other.

That doesn't mean I don't like the show. I love the show. I've spent the last two and a half years on the show. SPN is my second-highest fic fandom. I've written more fic for SPN than I have for other fandoms I've spent more time in. The only fandom I've written more fic for is one I've been watching for over thirty years and writing for almost 25.

Nobody. NOBODY gets to tell me that I don't like SPN. Fucking nobody.

I may like it differently from the majority of the fandom (both sides of the ship war), and I may dislike the thing that certainly most wincest fans love, but that doesn't mean I dislike the show.

Disliking an aspect of the main characters, no matter how important to the characters or the show as a whole, is not the same as disliking the characters or disliking the show.

Sam and Dean are great. I like their banter, I like their personalities, I like the chemistry that Jared and Jensen have and the way they portray the characters.

I'm also very aware that the show wouldn't work without the codependence. That if Sam and Dean weren't enmeshed, it would be a completely different show and 99% of the plots just wouldn't work at all. I'm not out here trying to change canon. I'm fucking picking out the bits I like and discarding the rest.

Y'know. Like everybody fucking talks about doing. But because I'm discarding a piece that is important to a ship, and because that piece is one that the people against that ship also discard, well I guess that means I'm doing it wrong or whatever.

Fuck off.

And the absolute audacity that multiple people who express this have in also posting about how gatekeeping is bad is absolutely off the goddamn charts.

[maipareshaan]

I'm not rbing years old discourse but apparently someone asked “How come Dean is allowed to have a crush on Dr Sexy M.D. and yet Destiel and his bisexuality aren’t canon?” at a con...like embarassing and someone on a post said "The funny thing about all of this is how these “activists” claim they’re helping the cause and yet make no effort at all to even look like they keep up to date on the discourse, i.e., that they spend any time at all with REAL gay people rather than sitting in their shipping echo chamber with other straight women. Really shocking that they don’t understand that the penchant of straight people for claiming they don’t know what attractiveness looks like in the same gender tends to be driven by the homophobia-lite of not wanting to be perceived as gay rather than a legitimate inability to tell. It’s also funny how this very observation also destroys the bi-Dean theory. People always support the claim that Dean only seems straight by saying he has internalized homophobia... But then at the same time he’s completely confident and able to break down what makes Doctor Sexy sexy."

I mean ya.

[soft-pine]

to the people tagging this gay!dean/bi!cas... i have one thing to say:

YES

got absolutely roasted on twitter a bit ago for saying that dean (pretty obviously) shot his shot with cas like 3 times in season five and cas proceeded to kiss, sleep with, and talk about dating women straight for like 5 seasons. (like im not blaming cas and dean certainly encouraged him sometimes.)

someone even blamed dean for cas sleeping with reaper april cause they had mentally retconned it to occurring after dean told cas he couldn't stay in the bunker.

but to be clear cas has flirted with, talked about flirting with, and kissed about the same (actually slightly more) women in front of dean than the reverse. and i know because i kept track and as often as dean talks about women in general, it is NOTABLE that he does so much less frequently in front of cas!

this is an actual scene that happens in the show (10.03)

DEAN: Forget it. Well, you, on the other hand, you… Looking good. So… Are you back? CASTIEL: At least temporarily. It’s a long story. Crowley, stolen grace. There’s a female outside in the car.

[autisticandroids]

man. sorry. i just remembered the person in 2021 who got really mad at me for gay dean truthing and responded by saying "well okay then im gonna start BI CAS TRUTHING how do you gays like THAT" and it took literally everything i had to not reblog the post and say i am a bi cas truther

[dotthings]

Congrats to the fans of the wee woo show. I don’t go here but it makes me happy to witness how this arc for Evan Buckley got to bloom and I’m happy because I hope this reflects another shift in the TV industry.

For some media commentary context for you: ABC network is owned by Disney. Fox network was owned by Rupert Murdoch. So I can see how the network change for 911 can easily be a factor on how this got greenlit, after years of creator Tim Minear’s intention to work in hints, on the off chance he could take it there. (I don’t go here, but I did my reading). Oliver Stark who plays Buck also revealed he's been for it and couldn't say anything, until he was sure they could do it, until it aired and was out there. (*steeples fingers*)

For further context, Bob Iger—with George Lucas’ vocal support—just fended off a right wing coup on the Disney board from the kinds of people (like Peltz) who complain “why do we need so many female leads” “why do we need movies with all Black leads.” While it doesn’t mean Disney is no longer an evil megacorp, I’m pointing out that its CEO defended inclusive Disney brand content to the shareholders and the board, as well as dismantling the idea that it can’t be entertainment while being diverse.

The ripple of this goes outside of the wee woo show fandom. I’m seeing the joy on my dash from people who don’t watch the show or don’t watch it regularly, as well as from people who have been watching a long time and noticed things and realized there was a progression and it was there all along, and I know how much this must mean to a lot of people. With the world being how it is, with what people are facing inside the US from the far right, in their real lives.

It’s very hopeful in general for inclusion levels on a major network TV show, owned by a big evil megacorp. Representation matters.

Also I'm aware the wee woo show already had a queer couple, plus it's already an intersectional inclusive series, that’s great.

There shouldn't be limits placed on inclusion though. “But you already have X” shouldn't be weaponized to tell people to shut up. There is no “enough” or “too much” when it comes to inclusion. While I'm not for undermining the inclusion that's there, I've seen that weaponization used with a series that hasn't been great on inclusion, and I've seen that weaponization used for 911, which is. It's a sus argument.

Indirect and unintentional as it is, also bi Buck shut down every concern troll, every gaslight, every denial, every rationale I've ever seen people deploy against bi Dean. Everything from people who don’t understand what bi actual means—“but he likes girls so he can’t be bi”—to “but he wasn’t declared bi from the start of the show so he can’t”—yes he can and the wee woo show just did. On one of the original big three networks. Or people who say it would "ruin the character." Really? “But he’s an action hero”—so what? Evan Buckley is a hero, Dean is a hero, both badass action heroes. “People who see this as canon are delusional”—Evan Buckley went O RLY? Not so delusional now, is it.

Evan Buckley avenged bi Dean.

It’s self-evident. It’s right there. Different show, different network, but the concepts are familiar, the situation has a certain familiarity. This turn of events on an ABC show didn't just make bi Dean fans valid. bi Dean fans were always valid, the bi Dean reading was always valid. But I appreciate how much what happened on the wee woo show bonked people with a truth stick, about self discovery, character arcing, queer readings, queer coding, and the validity of merely noticing things.