#asioaf books

[sugarprincessbitch]

Hi! I saw that you are open for solicitations, so…. How about yandere! Tyrion who is in love with Reader? She is just so sweet and kind, she doesn't understand much about politics, but she makes her effort. She is (unfortunately) engaged against her will to a nasty lord, what would Tyrion do? Headcannons, please

WARNING: Mentions of Yandere aspects, manipulation, death and killing

It was another boring day at court on the Red Keep, Tyrion had taken the place deceased Ned Stark had taken as the hand of the King...this king being his stupid nephew Joffrey. He was with the other advisors hearing Cersie ranting demands like always and dear Joffrey making additions to his mother's no senses.

Tyrion was like always, drowning in his cup of wine, trying to zone out his sister's annoying high pitch voice. He decided to observe the people in the room, he saw the same long and boring faces of the lords, but when he put his piercing gaze on Cersie direction...he saw a young maiden standing uncomfortable behind the Queen, he had never seen her before or never cared too much to notice. She peaked his attention...he had seen young noble maidens flocking around his sister, but the difference is how she didn't recoil while looking at his horrible face or his odd short limbs.

...

It is a matter well known that Tyrion is terrible at anything that matters the problems of the heart...we know from the books and the series, mostly the books, that he had troublesome relationships with women in his life. He tends to be naturally possessive and protective of the woman he holds affection for, so if he was a Yandere...he will be a dangerous one.

He can seem calm and collected on the exterior, but he is an animal waiting to snap, for something he is the son of Tywin Lannister. Tyrion will appeal to be passive aggressive to a possible threat for his darling affection, or even recurring to send men to kill them, but only if this person is a minor lord or a commoner.

Tyrion doesn't have to his advantage beauty or natural charm to attract his darling, but he has his cunning mind...that will help manipulating her. I think he will guilt trip her, using his disability at favour.

If his darling was not a noble lady, he will try to use his power and financial position to charm her, if the first doesn't work then he will threaten her with it. He may be a mockery in his family, but he still has the Lannister blood running from his veins and their money in his pockets.

But we will suppose that the darling is a noble lady of a not such an important house, then he will have complications at the time of having her in his grasp fully. Because there are norms on how a lady has to handle themselves and also a social expectation of courting and marriage, he will not only have to gain his darling affection but also the favour of her father.

It will be more troublesome if her darling is engaged with another Lord, this will send him to a furious pit and he will start to plan the downfall of the poor bastard that decided to get on his way.

Tyrion will probably try to coerce his darling father to change his mind and choose him as a possible bachelor, maybe he is a dwarf, but he comes from an important house and also he is currently in a very prestigious position, the hand of the king.

If this doesn't work (that I think it will probably go this way) he will convince his darling that he is better than an old hag, he will treat her kindly and with the utmost respect. Also, he will start courting his darling and showering her in costly jewelry and refined dresses.

When he finally has her on his grasp, convinced that he is the better suitor for her and not his future husband, he will fall upon his "enemy" with everything he has. Clearly, sending his men to kill silently that Old lord his darling was engaged with, claiming that it died from his frail and old age, natural causes.

The sudden death of his darling suitor and the pressure he will put not only financially but also using his position on the court so your lord father has no other option than to marry you to him.

Now, he finally has you for himself... And you know what they say, the preserverants win at the end.

[dipperscavern]

okay so to start, hades being the god of the underworld feels very parallel to cregan being lord of winterfell. i loooove winterfell, but its predominant feature is the snow. snow and winter both have a pretty prevalent media connection with death — which we actually see in asoiaf with how heavily the starks are connected to death (i.e. every stark's storyline being associated with death, either their own or someone elses.) so, if snow/winter mean death then winterfell becomes the underworld! hades governs all aspects of death and afterlife, like cregan 'warden of the north' governs all of the north. hades two symbols are his weapon, the bident, and cerberus; cregan is pretty heavily associated with his weapon, ice, and the symbol of the direwolf for house stark. also, hades is described as being 'not sevil but stern and impartial', which is similar to cregan's description as 'stern and formidable.' (i'm so locked into exams i almost cited my sources for this)

but as far as a hades and persephone thing goes, being cregan's silly little southern wife :3 trying to grow pretty flowers in the desolate frozen courtyard of winterfell. i don't think cregan would abduct his lady, but maybe! maybe he has some weird kind of twisted moral reason! uhh but i just want to be his cutie sunshine wife to contrast his brooding nature. i need to bear his children WHO SAID THAT

also, in my research i came across this picture which is very cregan i fear (but maybe not. maybe its 2010s fairy goth cringe) https://pin.it/2O69SMtru

- chiron anon 🏛️ (i've never watched or read percy jackson, fun fact :3)

you explained everything so well omfg it makes so much sense?!?! ALSO YOU ALMSOT CITING YOUR SOURCES LMAOOO IM GONE U NEED A BREAK

“snow and winter both have a pretty prevalent media connection with death - which we actually see in asoiaf with how heavily the starks are connected to death (i.e. every stark's storyline being associated with death, either their own or someone elses.)”

this is so… oh my god. allow me to nerd out a bit but i can also see the death connection being the others !! the starks have guarded the wall, made of ice (ice & snow go together like mac and cheese), for hundreds of years; have guarded it from death. and, in the asioaf universe, winter a lot of the time is heavily associated with & does mean certain death for those who aren’t prepared for it.

i know we’re talking about hotd rn but on the subject of the starks, their storylines are SO connected to death, ur so right!!! the first scene in the books that we read of the starks is literally them coming across a dead direwolf mother (impaled by. a stag antler) (ok foreshadowing). jon serving in the nights watch and his connection with the others — robb having stories told about him and his killer direwolf, then later dying himself — lady stoneheart — arya calling herself the ghost of harrenhal & her braavos storyline — theon (figuratively) dying and becoming reek, becoming the ghost of winterfell; i could go on but oh god i’ve already said so much forgive me

being cregans silly southern wife :3 you’re maybe even tyrell, coming from highgarden — you love flowers. and uh…. you took my mind to a dark place there with twisted morals cregan. i shan’t. (i also need to give him children) (who said that) (breed me) (WHO IS SPEAKING)

[marytunno]

Inspired by Renee Rapp's song "Snow Angel"...

Can't wait for Arya to be back home!!

(yes I should be writing... but this is faster to upload hehe)

See y'all soon <3<3

[stelliumh3arts]

No , because I agree and disagree at the same time. Analyzing the trailers and posters.

What I agree with-

Both sides doing some fucked up shit.

Corlys not being a person who sucked (bro lowkey made it to the end until his execution , was just an ass kisser , and was trying to live his life by doing what was asked of him)

Both being highly hypocritical.

Blaming Viserys (no need to explain)

Blaming Daemon (He has good fathering qualities but , he's a walking red flag and the blood and cheese incident in my perspective was psychological warfare to a certain degree. I'll explain this in another post)

Blaming Rhaenyra (to a certain extent , yes!)

Blaming both sides to a certain extent (All the way because , they weren't thinking about how this could effect their children)

Yes viserys could of got a paramour to help cope with Aemma or find an AGE APPROPRIATE suitor for himself (Not some innocent 14 , 15 , 16 , or 17 year old girl who wants to be teen idle and enjoy her girlhood)

Yes , Viserys treated Alicent like a glorified mistress and the children did get treated second-class.

What I don't agree with-

Blaming Alicent entirely (she was maritally raped; she was married young into an unwanted relationship she could not refuse at the hands of her manipulative, mentally abusive father and King Viserys himself) I do, however, know she did things out of fear, and we can see that in the trailer, she's slowly reverting back to her childhood self, hence why she's looking at Rhaenyra in the posters. She still feels guilty over what happened twenty years ago, and it's sad. Rhaenyra, however, is just like, "Fuck you, I'm coming for your son, no if's or but's about it." I do believe she is to blame for her children's deaths (to a certain extent , not all the way because , remember we've got Daemon , Viserys , Rhaenyra , and Otto in the conflict as well.)

Blaming Aegon (Yes , I agree with blaming him for his personal mistakes. Him being put on the throne obviously wasn't his fault. Aegon is quite impulsive and it shows. As the abused becomes the abuser.(This is shown with how Otto treats Alicent and how Alicent is with Aegon when it comes to fulfilling his forced role as king. I honestly do hope we get a good character development with Aegon. I'd like to see a very serious side to him especially after the future incidents that'll take place besides blood and cheese.)

The Jaehaera hate club (Like the Blackcels need a moral compass. I don't understand why some of you have hate towards a girl who has nothing to do with what happened, though she saw events take place and they affected her. She also succumbs a fate familiar to her mother.)

When "He or she is nothing but a victim" card is pulled on characters who've done some deceitful and feisty shit. The only characters who get the green light to pull this card is Jaehaera , Laena Velaryon , Aemma Arryn , Aegon the third , Viserys the Second , Laenor Velaryon (He just wanted to be in peace and live his life. People that he did justice for did him dirty.) Maelor (Aegon II's second son) , Helaena , and Jaehaerys the second. (I would add Joffrey Velaryon onto this list but , I'm not sure.)

Alicent deserved what happened to her; she deserved better to some extent, and so did Rhaenyra. Rhaenyra, however, is wrong for blaming Alicent and having beef with her two-year-old son. Both made mistakes to some extent, and what can be rightfully defended can be rightfully defended with logic.

Viserys not being bashed. He paved the way for people with daddy issues , mommy issues , anger issues , Depression (different types) , sociopathic issues , and adhd (Aegon) to all go to war with each other. He failed his children and set them up. They all deserved better to some extent. It's an ongoing domino effect that happened with Aegon the conqueror, his two sister wives and their children , Aegon the unworthy and his illegitimate children who he legitimated upon his death. The dynasty got fucked over multiple times in history but the dance made the biggest permeable impact. Everyone's desires came at a cost and most did not take accountability. In conclusion, that is my analysis.

[killershrike]

I fucking hate d&d cause I read all the asoiaf books started watching the show when it first aired and I was like 9 or 10 years old and Braime is one of my favorite pairings of literal all time of any media like top 5 and so important to me and they fucked them so fucking hard and not even just that

like personal sadboy moments here but I relate a lot to both brienne and jaime.. I've been called ugly and treated like shit since I was born because of certain physical traits i have and am still constantly scared I'll never find someone who will actually love me

and jaime is straight up a victim of literal everyday life long abuse from his sister since he was born like I'm not excusing what he's done but you can't look me in the eyes and say cersei hadn't been abusing jaime literally ever since they were born

and the relationship of jaime who's often regarded as one of the most handsome men in westeros seeing past brienne's "ugliness" and falling in love with her true beauty and spirit, and brienne finding a friend and lover who treats her like an equal and encrouges her skill and sees her as truly beautiful no matter what any other idiot has to say was so fucking beautiful to me. they way they made each other better.. brienne learned not to judge so quick or accept the common opinion without deeper thought when jaime told her about the mad king. and hello, she didn't even argue or fight back just asked "if this is true, why didn't you tell Ned stark?" Like SHE WAS THE FIRST PERSON HE EVER TOLD. AND THE FIRST PERSON WHO EVER BELIEVED HIM.

and then she fucking called him jaime instead of kingslayer like everyone else and like she was before. they are the only ones they can each be vulnerable with and fully honest to without true shame or fear. besides tyrion for jaime and pod for brienne like, they opened up to each other. they trust each other not just with their lives but their secrets. and secrets are much more deadly in westeros than any blade could be.

and jaime finally broke past his stupid arrogant toxic man shit judging brienne on her apperance and started to fucking realize what he and cersei are doing are wrong!!! he actually starts to push back to cersei!!! he finally has a taste of a REAL and HEALTHY relationship and he starts to push back at cersei without even realizing or making the decision to do so!!! brienne just INFLUENCED him like that with her very nature!!!!

fuck d&d fuck them even though they wrote one of the best always sunny episodes ever they couldn't fucking write braime which are already 50% the way to being together in the books and then they even had the fucking nerve to make jaime take her virginity and be all loving and shit and then just fucking ABANDON her god I hate this fucking show

[straightbaittournament]

may the best bait win! propaganda under the cut

brienne and jaime:

[major spoilers for the show] homoerotic as hell. for some reason. from what i've heard this seems like a rare case of buried straights. jaime i believe dies right after they get together. the first time they have sex jaime says he's never done it "with a knight" before. literally most of my knowledge about this ship comes from bait: a queerbaiting podcast (one of their "straightbait specials"), which i'm officially suggesting as propaganda i'm only up to s4 but i feel like they should be hereThey def have already been submitted but I'm getting in early on the #BraimeSweep They're soulmates 4real :( <33 "Brienne caught him before he could fall. Her arm was all gooseflesh, clammy and chilled, but she was strong, and gentler than he would have thought. Gentler than Cersei." "The swords kissed and sprang apart and kissed again. Jaime's blood was singing" "Jaime's golden hand cracked him across the mouth so hard the other knight went stumbling down the steps. His lantern fell and smashed, and the oil spread out, burning." "You are speaking of a highborn lady, ser. Call her by her name. Call her Brienne." "In this light she could almost be a beauty, he thought. In this light she could almost be a knight." Come on. This het couple has no right to drive me (a lesbian) crazy. If they don't get together I'll explode.

kathryn and chakotay:

Janeway is the Captain of a Starfleet ship lost so far from home it will take decades to reach. Chakotay is the Captain of a Maquis (rebel) ship also lost there. They decide to work together to get home and combine their crews when the Maquis ship is destroyed, and Chakotay becomes her second-in-command. Because of the seriousness of the situation, Janeway feels that she cannot afford the distraction of a romance and so they never get together. They have NO personal space and look longingly at each other quite often and one episode has them forced to abandon ship potentially forever and they live together in a little house and he builds her a bathtub because she complains about not having one and they share a romantically charged massage where he tells her a made up story about a warrior and the woman who inspired him which he openly admits is made up and actually about them. Also he holds her while she cries about their chance of going back to the ship being destroyed. In a different episode she “dies” and he cradled her body while weeping about it. They also have candlelit dinners regularly and she lent him a copy of the book her ex-fiancé gave her, and every time the show conspires to make one temporarily unaware of the other, they flirt hardcore. An episode designed to show how they wouldn’t work as a couple only makes more people ship them. Also a young version of Janeway meets older Chakotay via time travel and asks him if they’re together in the future despite her being engaged at that point. He declined to answer directly.they have a lot of Tension thruout the series & a very deep relationship, but Janeway has someone waiting for her back home & Chakotay ends up in a romance plot with another person in the last season (that I personally felt came from out of nowhere but whatever) I rooted for them! I rooted for a str8 couple! I did not care that Janeway had someone waiting for her back home even tho I usually do! but I did not care! they deserved to fuck!

[forestcat222]

I made a list of every single asioaf house I could find and put it in alphabetical order. There may be a few houses missing but as of right now there are 496 houses written down. There may be some doubles, if so I apologize but when I tried to recheck it my tablet (which I used to write this) froze. I wrote this on my notes app. This includes houses from all game of Thrones media, video games, the adaptations, the books hotd and anything else I could find. I hope that whoever stumbles across this uses it because this took way to long for just me to use. (BTW houses from essos and YI-TI are includes)

Ahlaq

Algood

Allyrion

Amber

Ambrose

Andrik

Antaryon

Appleton

Arryn

Ashford

Ashwood

Baelish

Ball

Banefort

Bar Emmon

Baratheon

Bax

Beesbury

Belgrave

Belmore

Bettley

Bigglestone

Blackbar

Blackberry

Blackbrow

Blackfyre

Blackmont

Blackmyre

Blacktyde

Blackwood

Blanetree

Blount

Boggs

Bole

Bolling

Bolton

Borrel

Botley

Bourney

Bracken

Branch

Branfield

Breakstone

Briar

Bridges

Brightstone

Brook

Broom

Broome

Brownbarrow

Brownhill

Brune

Bu

Buckler

Buckwell

Bulwer

Burley

Bush

Bushy

Butterwell

Byrch

Bywater

Cafferen

Cargyll

Caron

Cassel

Casterly

Caswell

Caulfield

Cave

Celtigar

Cerwyn

Chai

Chambers

Charlton

Chelsted

Chester

Choq

Chyttering

Clegane

Clifton

Cobb

Cockshaw

Codd

Coldwater

Cole

Condon

Conklyn

Connington

Corbray

Corbray

Cordwayner

Coststayne

Cox

Crabb

Crakehall

Crane

Cray

Cressey

Crowl

Cupps

Cuy

Dargood

Darke

Darklyn

Darkwood

Darry

Dayne

Deddings

Dhazak

Doggett

Dondarrion

Donniger

Dormand of Dormand Hall

Drinkwater

Drox

Drumm

Dryland

Dults

Dunn

Durrandon

Durwell

Dustin

Edgerton

Egen

Elesham

Elliver

Eraz

Erenford

Errol

Estermont

Estren

Faez

Falwell

Farman

Farring

Farrow

Farwynd

Fell

Fenn

Ferren

Fisher

Flint

Florent

Follard

Foote

Footly

Forrester

Fossoway

Fowler

Foxglove

Fregar

Frey

Frost

Galare

Gardener

Gargalen

Garner

Gaunt

Ghazeen

Glenmore of Rillwater Crossing

Glover

Goodbrook

Goodbrother

Goode

Gower

Graceford

Grafton

Grandison

Graves

Grayson

Greenfield

Greengood

Greenhill

Greenleaf

Greenwood

Grell

Grey

Greyiron

Greyjoy

Greyjoy

Greystark

Grimm

Groves

Haen

Haigh

Hamell

Har

Harclay

Hardy

Hardyng

Harlaw

Harlton of Castlewood

Harroway

Harte

Hastwyck

Hasty

Hawick

Hawthorne

Hayford

Hazkar

Herston

Hersy

Hetherspoon

Hewett

Hightower

Hoare

Hogg

Hollard

Holt

Hook

Hornwood

Horpe

Hull

Humble

Hunt

Hunter

Hutcheson

Inchfield

Ironmaker

Ironsmith

Jar

Jast

Jordayne

Justman

Kandaq

Karstark

Kattleblack

Keath

Kenning

Kidwell

Knott

Kyndall

Ladybright

Lake

Langward

Lannet

Lannister

Lanny

Lansdale

Lantell

Leek

Lefford

Leygood

Liddle

Lightfoot

Lipps

Lo

Locke

Lolliston

Long

Longthorpe

Longwaters

Lonmouth

Loraq

Lorch

Lothston

Lowther

Lyberr

Lychester

Lydden

Lynderly

Magnar

Malcolm

Mallery

Mallister

Manderly

Mandrake

Manning

Manwoody

Marbrand

Marreq

Marsh

Martell

Massey

Mazin

Meadows

Mengo

Merlyn

Merryweather

Mertyns

Middlebury

Mollen

Moore

Mooton

Moreland

Morgryn

Mormont

Morrigen

Moss

Mudd

Mullendore

Musgood

Myatt

Myraq

Myre

Nakloz

Naqqan

Nayland

Netley

Norcross

Norrey

Norridge

Nute

Nutt

Oakheart

Oldflowers

Orkwood

Orme

Osgrey

Otherys

Overton

Paege

Parren

Payne

Peake

Peasebury

Peat

Peckledon

Pemford

Penny

Penrose

Perryn

Phal

Piper

Plumm

Pol

Polander

Pommingham

Poole

Potter

Prestayn

Prester

Pryor

Pyle

Pyne

Qaggaz

Qhoqua

Qo

Qoherys

Qorgyle

Quagg

Quazzar

Rambton

Rankenfell

Redbeard

Redding

Redfort

Redwyne

Reed

Reyann

Reyne

Reznak

Rhaezn

Rhazdar

Rhysling

Risley

Rogare

Rogers

Rollingford

Roote

Rosby

Rowan

Roxton

Royce

Ruskyn

Ruthermont

Ruttiger

Ryder

Ryger

Rykker

Ryswell

Saltcliffe

Santagar

Sarsfield

Sarwyck of Riverspring

Sawyer

Seaworth

Selmy

Serrett

Serry

Sharp

Shawney

Shell

Shepherd

Shermer

Shett

Slate

Sloane

Slynt

Smallwood

Sparr

Spicer

Stackhouse

Stackspear

Staedmon

Stane

Stark

Staunton

Stokeworth

Stonehouse

Stonetree

Stout

Straw

Strickland

Strong

Suggs

Sunderland

Sunderly

Sunglass

Swann

Sweet

Swyft

Swygert

Tallhart

Tarbeck

Targaryen

Tarly

Tarth

Tarwick

Tawney

Teague

Templeton

Terrick

Thenn

Thorne

Toland

Tollett

Torrent

Towers

Toyne

Trant

Tudbury

Tully

Turnberry

Tyrell

Uffering

Uhlez

Uller

Ullor

Umber

Upcliff

Vaith

Vance

Varner

Velaryon

Vikary

Volmark

Vypren

Vyrwel

Wade

Wagstaff

Warrick

Waterman

Waxley

Wayn

Waynwood

Weatherwax

Weaver

Webber

Wells

Wells

Wendwater

Wensington

Westbrook

Westerling

Westford

Whent

Whitehead

Whitehill

Whitfield

Wibberley

Willum

Wode

Woodfoot

Woodhull

Woods

Woodwright

Woolfield

Wormwood

Wull

Wydmen

Wyl

Wylde

Wynch

Wythers

Xaq

Xho

Yarwyck

Yelshire

Yew

Yherizan

Yronwood

Yunzak

Zhak

Zherzyn

[sugarprincessbitch]

This is super random, but when someone mentions the book Ramsay for me it came to my mind the realistic Ai representation of Rome emperor Nero.

Like they have the same deranged smirk and those intense blue eyes, Nero is literally the ginger twin of Ramsay, and as a matter of fact I think Ramsay's skin and hair are very gross and not taken care of.

Also, they have the same personality...

That is a shit that Ramsay could pull off any day if he wanted to.

[synchodai]

I noticed the inconsistencies too. It makes sense that the boys would romanticize and misremember things that happened five generations ago (Jaehaerys I was Jace's great-great-grandfather), but even in the established HBO lore (in the extras narrated by the actors), it was well known that Torrhen Stark knelt in the Riverlands.

So I went back to what Cregan and Jace exactly said to check just how inconsistent it would be and if it's a level of inconsistency that would be understandable for someone from a society with no centralized news or mass documentation system.

But my ancestor, Torrhen Stark, began a tradition by making an offering at the onset of winter — one in ten men from our household must be chosen to fortify the Watch.

This is HBO-only lore but not inaccurate. It's actually a pretty good addition and raises interesting questions about why and what point did this tradition become abandoned.

If I had to nitpick, I'd ask WHY the show decided it had to be Torrhen who established the tradition. The Night's Watch was most likely established when Bran the Builder, also allegedly a famous Stark, built the Wall. Wouldn't HE be the one to first offer up his household to fortify the Watch, not Torrhen? Bran the Builder does exist in HBO lore after all.

Maybe in the show, the Starks were always volunteering but it was only Torrhen who insisted on offering up a specific number of men?

It pleases me to think that over a century ago, our ancestors treated in this very place [the Wall]—

Oh, Jace is probably talking about Alysanne here—

— the Conqueror and the King in the North.

OH NO, SWEETIE, NO. There are records of Aegon I visiting Winterfell a few years just before his death, but there's no history in the show nor the books of him being at the Wall. It's possible that he could have gone there and it just wasn't recorded, but Jace here has no reason to know if other people didn't know. This kid is just making stuff up.

But of course even if Cregan knew that the Prince was misremembering the legend of the King who Knelt, he wouldn't go and say, "WELL, ACTUALLY, MY PRINCE..." Instead, Cregans stares at Jace and says:

You, at least, had the mercy not to threaten me with your dragon.

This shows that it's Jace, the Targaryen, who's embellishing the event and Cregan, the Stark, is fully aware that it wasn't a "treaty" as much as it was brute intimidation.

Surely the great Torrhen Stark would have died than bent the knee unless he thought the Conqueror could bring unity to the Seven Kingdoms?

Again, Jace here is painting Aegon's Conquest as being just and rightful. This makes sense since the boy is a Targaryen heir (bastardry aside) and would absolutely drink up any story that legitimizes his family's rule and legacy.

Cregan sort of begrudgingly agrees with Jace, but it's clear that there's a tension between their two perspectives and they just aren't riding the same train. Remember that Jace is using the legends of a Stark submitting to a Targaryen as a diplomatic tactic to get Cregan to help Rhaenyra's cause. It makes sense for Jace to use rhetorical tactics (like painting the Conquest as an amiable Targ-Stark cooperation for the good of the realm) to try to convince Cregan.

But then even Cregan starts with the inaccuracies! This is the part where I just stopped giving the show any grace that they were being deliberately inaccurate for a character-driven purpose.

My father brought King Jaehaerys and Queen Alysanne to see the Wall [emphasis mine].

Just to remind you all, Jaehaerys even in the show is Jace's grandfather Viserys's grandfather. It's not impossible that the show combined Alaric Stark, who's Cregan's great-great-grandfather, and Rickon Stark, Cregan's father, into one character. They understandably like to cut down and simplify ASOIAF's complicated family trees a lot. But both Jaehaerys and Viserys lived and ruled especially long, so it would take A LOT for a single Stark to retain his title between their two reigns. This just ends up making the timeline here so wonky and could have easily been remedied by making Cregan say "forefather" instead of "father."

My father brought King Jaehaerys and Queen Alysanne to see the Wall [emphasis mine].

Alaric Stark was never reported to have shown the King and Queen the Wall. In fact, he wasn't pleased that the Queen went there because he was forced to give up his and his lordling's lands in service to the Wall after her visit (see: The New Gift).

My father brought King Jaehaerys and Queen Alysanne to see the Wall [emphasis mine].

In Fire and Blood, the book that HotD is based on, only Queen Alysanne went to see the Wall while Jaehaerys stayed in the Winterfell. I'll chalk this up to the HBO series often treating the Wall as if it was just Winterfell's backyard, so it often uses those two places interchangably. That's just an inaccuracy HotD inherited from GOT at this point.

His Grace [Jaehaerys] stood at this very outlook —

It's possible that Jaehaerys could have went after Alysanne and gone to the Wall himself in the show, but just to clarify, there are no records of that happening in either Fire and Blood or The World of Ice and Fire. So this likely didn't happen in the books.

But the HBO show isn't the books. Instead, let's ask WHY the writers decided to make the change. Because there's no reason Cregan would lie or misremember the story of Jaehaerys and Alysanne's visit, so this must be actual change of the adaptation. And changing things from the source material is not bad in and of itself. In fact, there are a few changes the HBO series have made that I even think are better than what's in the books, like how it characterized both Viserys-es from either show.

Clearly, they're trying to make the Targaryens more involved in preventing the Long Night. If they adapted the Targaryen's history as it was in the books, it would make them look extremely neglectful and selfish if they actively knew and believed about the prophesized apocalypse and did nothing throughout their reign but fight each other and stay in the south. And that's why I'm not fully onboard with this "Aegon's prophecy" thing they're trying to establish in the show. When they used it as the reason behind the Conquest and the founding of their royal dynasty, it made more holes than it covered up because none of the Targaryens' historical reigns align with them doomsday prepping for it.

If there's any Westerosi House that's been keeping a magical duty to protect the realm and its people from the Long Night, it's the Starks. They're the family that's been shown consistently prioritizing taking care of the people they rule over at the cost of their pride, reputation, and sometimes even that all-important dynastic legacy that southern Houses obsess over — especially when a lot of them willingly give up their family name to become a brother of the Night's Watch.

If you ask me, the point of the King who Knelt wasn't that Torrhen knew Aegon was the destined ruler Westeros needed like Jace (and arguably HotD in general) is heavily implying. The point is that Torrhen Stark prioritized keeping his people alive over being King.

But since the HBO writers have already decided the Targaryens are the more interesting House because of the dragons, incest, and intrigue, they plopped on the Stark family mission (which is arguably the driving force of the ASOIAF books) onto the Targaryens. And of course that leads to these contradictions and inconsistencies because the source text showed the Targs would do the opposite of what Torrhen did. The Targaryens have proven time and time again in Fire and Blood that they would burn themselves and all their people before they let go of their crown.

TL;DR: The HBO writers inserted these inaccuracies because it justifies the show's portrayal of the Targaryens as heroic figures and legitimizes Rhaenyra's cause. Cregan is telling Jace he can't spare men when they're doing the actual job of protecting the realm and winter is coming, but it's suddenly not a petty family spat over a chair if Rhaenyra and her house are involved with this prophecy of the Long Night, right?

Nearly all the Northern lore facts were wrong

Torrhen didn't bend the knee at the Wall, he bent the knee at the Trident. Jaehaerys didn't fly to the Wall, only Alysanne did. Jaehaerys was in KL for the first six months Alysanne was in the North. Rickon Stark didn't welcome Alysanne, Alaric Stark did. Rickon was Cregan's father, not Alaric.

Alaric Stark didn't go with Alysanne to the Wall, she went by herself. Alaric sent word ahead to the Night's Watch that she was on her way. Alysanne attempted to fly Silverwing beyond the wall twice, Silverwing turned her right around and went back.

Ryan, honey, are you sure you read the book?

[dipperscavern]

Do you think the starks have had direwolves throughout history or do you think the recent generations of starks are the first? Cregan should’ve had a wolf!!!

oooooooh. this is a really good question thank you!!

i think there have been a few. probably not consistent, and i think the recent generations of starks were definitely first in a few hundred years. why do i think that? so u see

when ned takes robert down to the crypts, we see direwolves occasionally curled at the feet of the lords of winterfell. it could just be a stark sigil thing, but i think it suggests they owned direwolves, and they were buried alongside them. there’s no mention of/confirmation that they did own direwolves in the past in the books (or show i’m pretty sure, but the books r canon and the show isn’t) — but it’s george martin. this guy squirts for speculation.

& the starklings having direwolves were sorta like dany and her dragons. on the same scale? no, but they said direwolves hadn’t been sighted south of the wall in hundreds of years. plus, the connection the starklings had with them was so insane. especially in the books, greywind leading robb and his army down an undiscovered/unforeseen path that lead them to victory, nymeria following arya throughout westeros, not even mentioning all their silent communications. and the way the lords reacted to them and their wolves… they were def the first in decades.

and yes. CREGAN SHOUKDVE HAD A WOLF!!!!

[marytunno]

I had to choose Arya's wolf dreams, I just love so so much this kind of ancestral, natural, northern magic and the connection with nature that it implies. The faceless men's powers are cool as well but this feels more true to Arya's character...

(the scene where in her wolf dreams she finds Catelynn always breaks my heart)

I'm so unlucky that I still had exams these days so I missed the first prompts of this beautiful week, but I had to jump in, Arya is such a great character and she needs all the appreciation in the world!

[qyburnsghost]

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[mythalism]

ok my asioaf thoughts so far as someone who was obsessed with the show as a teenager and just now finished the first book

well obviously its great LOL but what ive really been struck by is how much better it is than the show. which i am sure is news to no one but i loooooved the show when i was 16-20ish and even though it became a mess eventually its still highly regarded as one of the best of all time and i agree - but whats had me so gagged is seeing just how much gets stripped away in the change of medium from book to TV?

i think the biggest difference is how much younger everyone is in the books and how that completely changes not just their own characters and arcs but literally the entire story and its themes. robb is one that has struck me particularly powerfully, because the difference in a 20-something show!Robb and a 15 year old book!Robb is DRASTIC. i didnt really care about robb in the show, but now i see him completely differently. his relationship to his mother is completely different. his relationship to his siblings is completely different. his relationship to his bannermen is completely different. his competency as a leader becomes so much more remarkable - when he's 24ish its really nothing special. but when he's 15 and earning the respect of men 4x his age? successful taking jaime captive? submitting to marriage alliances? (for now lol). and i havent gotten to it yet but i know his demise is going to be all the more tragic as a result. adult robb eschewing his marriage alliance with the freys because he fell in love with another girl makes him look like an entitled asshole, out of character for how he behaves up to that point in the story. OF COURSE THERE WOULD BE CONSEQUENCES YOU IDIOT!??!?! but 15 year old robb? of course he would back out of a marriage pact because he fell in love. of course he would be naive enough to think he could get away with it just fine and would be forgiven. HES A CHILD! HES A HIGH SCHOOL FRESHMAN!!! HOW COULD WE EXPECT ANYTHING ELSE? it becomes a tragedy rather than a character flaw. it has completely changed the way i see him and i like him so much more

the same is true for dany. and while i always knew dany was 13 in the books and aged up in the show, it wasnt the same as actually reading her internal monologue as a 13 year old child. its fucking insane. its a completely different story from the vaguely 17ish? early 20-ish? dany from the show. dany's story is horrifying no matter what, but the show definitely attempts to equalize her relationship with drogo to make it more palatable to the audience and god. what was lost in the process. book dany is so much more compelling and tragic and lost. she is an abused and traumatized child bride with stockholm syndrome doing her best to survive and find joy in her bleak, horrible circumstances. her chapters make me nauseous. the show does not manage to evoke this same sense of horror. granted - they arent perfect. grrm definitely acknowledges the horror of her situation but he seems to be unable to help himself from indulging in the sex scenes. she feels not just sexualized by the characters in-world but by the third person narration as well, which i find uhhh. tasteless at best. disgusting at worst. but its a hell of a lot more than the show bothers to do. having her internal monologue is also so valuable - i have spent 10+ years so fucking confused about the mirri maz durr blood magic + pyre + dragons at the end and while its still confusing, getting dany's thoughts and the foreshadowing in her dreams makes it far more understandable. it also just gives her character a level of depth the show cannot provide because we dont hear those thoughts. she is a little girl who fundamentally just wants to belong, to have a family, and to have a home - all of which she was denied because of the rebellion, and she will do anything for it. the show fails to give enough attention these underlying motivations for her desire to accrue power. having EVERYONE's internal monologue is game-changing too. i genuinely like every single character better than their show-counterpart because i can hear their thoughts. ned's thought process about lying about joffrey's lineage on the chopping block to save his daughters, catelyn's fear warring with pride for her son, the shame tyrion feels around his father even with simple things like walking in front of him, bran wrestling with his disability and his new role as lord, jon being a cocky little shit 14 year old with daddy issues, and oh my god if one person benefits more than anyone else from an internal monologue its sansa. ive never been a sansa hater because you could not pay me to hate on a teenage girl but she also just did not stand out to me, but i would immediately die for book sansa. knowing what she is thinking in response to cersei and joffrey's cruelty is absolutely devastating. even if she is trapped and unable to truly act, just knowing what she's thinking gives her character a level of agency within the story that is absent completely in the show. i know it will make her evolution into a politician later feel so much more well-developed too, because you can already see the start of it as she begins learning how to navigate her relationships in the red keep as she's kept captive.

anyway i could keep going but overall im having a great time. im really excited for new pov chapters (except stannis. ugh) especially jaime, cersei, and margaery (she has pov chapters right?) AND BRIENNE!!! wow. im really amazed by how different the experience feels in general. like yeah i know whats gonna happen for the most part but there are so many new nuggets of gold to be found. i even saw some insane hodor foreshadowing that made my jaw drop. ok im off to read more

[idontreallyknow26]

So someone on tt is tryna sit there are tell me that somehow GRRM writing constant pain porn is okay? I have by no means read all of his works and I never plan to but from the ones I have read, it's so blatantly obvious?

They're saying that because historically, women, specifically in medieval monarchy, had it bad (for lack of better words) that makes GRRM writing almost every single one of his female characters to be brutalized okay? No?

I truly hate to break it to yall, but ASIOAF is fictional. It's not real. There's dragons and magic and little tree people and giants and zombies and shit, but somehow, some way, it *needs* to be realistic in the sense of sexual assault? These people feel entitled to reading about women being...well, everything 70% of GRRMs female characters have gone through?

They tried to say I wasn't seeing it and that in reality this stuff happens...like I know. I've been SA'd. I don't want to read constant pain porn, but for some reason YOU DO?? Why're you so interested in that shit.

And GRRM doesn't even do it to bring awareness or anything along those lines, it's like he just enjoys writing it.

I'm not saying stop writing about rape completely, I'm not saying it's not an important topic to write about but the way GRRM does it just isn't needed. You can write medieval fantasy without constant rape. It's possible. It's been done. I promise the trauma porn isn't necessary.

Pick up F&B or smth like every woman in that book was groomed, raped, or SA'd in some way. It's disgusting.

[starfxkrinc]

Honestly didn’t even expect for you tee my post I only really posted it for my mutuals and such and I don’t hate you or anything I was just using you and Hannah as examples seeing as how from what I’ve seen you guys lead the conversation involving rafe and Sarah and I also just want to clarify that yes I am an asioaf fan but I am heavily against the incest and the rape that occurred in the show the post I made about that was just to say while yes it was wrong I really support book greens and sometimes the shows depiction of them

well....next time dont mention ppl if u dont want em to see it girl idk!