#arrow discourse

[laurelwinchester]

Okay but since you started, to continue ar*row posting into 2024, it was blatantly obvious Quentin resented Laurel for being the one that lived when they all thought Sara died, and people still thought he was a good dad??? The whole Lance family was so fucked up and Laurel deserved a better family

oh yeah 100% both quentin and dinah thought the wrong daughter died on that boat. there is no doubt about it. they resented laurel for being alive instead of sara. they did not hide their favoritism well. with dinah, she was open about it. with quentin, it only came out in waves, usually when he was drunk but even when he was sober it still sometimes seeped out of him in these little hissed remarks.

it's one of the reasons thinking about laurel's childhood fascinates me so much. at a glance, the lance family was a normal middle class family. two beautiful, smart girls, a home, two parents with well respected careers and a loving marriage. a happy family.

but i have to wonder if it was really all that happy for laurel.

i mean. she dated oliver for years. devoted herself to him. adored him. she took him back when he made mistakes, she wanted to move in with him, she wanted to marry him, she loved him with everything the whole way through. and he treated her like trash. he cheated on her over and over and over again with her friends and her sister. he had zero respect for her. he was stupid and he was nasty and he was cruel. and it's not like the island changed him when it came to her. i'm sorry but it didn't. he was an arrow in her lung from the day she met him until the day she died. and she just. accepted that. she accepted that was all she would get and lived with it until the end. that was as far as she got in terms of believing in her own worth.

that kind of chronic, damaging low self esteem doesn't come from nowhere. laurel's canonical desperation and pleading and searching for love was one of her most devastating traits (partly because she was never able to find it) and it's something that can only come from the lack of love. and that shit starts at the top. it starts with mom and dad. they poisoned her. bit by bit until she was dead, gone, and replaced, quite literally, by a doppelganger.

no, i'll never understand why people love "papa lance." he was only a loving father to one daughter. he was an abuser to the other.

that's one of the reasons why one of the recurring characters in my laurel fics is her non canon grandmother. she needs at least one family member to love her completely and unconditionally. lord knows no one else did.

[rirururu]

They're partners uwu

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[glitter-stained]

Still so mad that Mia's official Speedy suits didn't let her keep her wide pant legs, like come on that's such an integral part of her look

Like, I'm sorry, but putting aside that I have a very obvious favourite Mia artist, those:

Will never have the same oomf as this one:

Anyway Mia's always wearing wide pants as a civilian and I love the shapes when she jumps and does flips in them it's so cool she deserved to have them in her hero suit thank you for coming to my ted talk

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

i honestly wish bow had more depth to his character than just being the “friendship guy” or the mom friend. like he’s part of the main trio and somehow he’s one of the most underdeveloped characters in the show. i think it would have been really interesting if they explored bow’s relationships with his dads and his fear of letting them down, in more detail, than just cramming it into one episode and calling it a day.

[aerascreamer]

Quick (or long) question for Green Arrow and Arrowfam fans since I’m new:

What is the worst characterisation for the characters and what events/series are unfaithful to them?

For example:

I read that Ollie rejecting Connor after the reveal that he is his bio son is extremely OOC, while others also despise Red Hood and the Outlaws because Roy’s character is butchered.

Are there any other series, events etc. that are really poor writing and can be ignored/rewritten?

[salemdrawsitgay]

An online friend literally haven't spoke to him in a YEAR got hacked and sent me a server for free nudes. I helped him change his password after he got back in and what not but like then we srat talking abt dc, i show him some tim art. He tries to explain how Robin isn't gay. Not just Damian but like all Robin's arnt gay.

Whole convo bc because of Tim Drake art.

Tell me why this collagekid was so pissed I 'made' Robin gay??? Like sir! Sir! May haps shut your mouth? I explained the the queer coding and shit and a whole rant about JayRoy aswell.

Also, what's wrong with JayRoy, theres an age difference. But they're adults. In their 20s. They don't injure eachother often. And let's say you do hate the ship. Guess what? SALT TAGS EXSIST dot flood the tag with spam and fuckin' censor it like is a severe curse. Like "stop posting J*yroy 🤬🥺🥺" like Jason Todd killed your newborn puppy and fucked Roy over top of the the dead dog. Like. Get a life you're so fuckin pressed. Over 2 criminals holding hands like they're gonna nuke an orphan preschool or somhing like. Touch grass. And the concrete, see family, log off Tumblr die idc just shut up

anyway the Tim art in question.

[theatrekidenergy]

🧠 brain-on-the-brain Follow

Just a reminder that monster/human relationships are inherently toxic, especially between the freaks that need to be taken to the pound to taste some silver and humans.

🩸B4TTYB1TES Follow

Dude what the actual fuck? Is all that rotting effecting your ability to comprehend basic logic? Go and crawl back to the grave yard where you belong.

🌒 dirty-paws1 Follow

@brain-on-the-brain Uhm- I- What? Ok yeah you did not just say that. Let me guess, “vampires shouldn’t date their sires.” Should they?

🧠 brain-on-the-brain Follow

Mhm. Exactly. You are just proving my point, @dirty-paws1 you are literally just proving to everyone that you dogs can’t control yourselves. And yes, vampires shouldn’t date their sires, it’s not a complicated thing, there’s an obvious power imbalance that’s only going to end in abuse.

👻 trans-parent Follow

FYI eveyone, @brain-on-the-brain is openly anti-siren and thinks that not undead monsters aren’t actually in the monster community. They aren’t worth it, just block and move on.

🧠 brain-on-the-brain Follow

Okay and you are all just going to ignore how @B4TTYB1TES said blatantly anti-zombie statements aren’t you

🦇draculaishotlmfao Follow

Eh you’re right they did say some shit, but like, is no one else going to bring up sirens or are you guys gonna make me side with an anti-monster/human relationship supporter :/

🌒 dirty-paws1 Follow

Why would we bring sirens into this? My friend Lilly is a siren and she’s an amazing friend, if you guys are going off of stereotypes you need to knock it off. So let me make this clear, not all zombies are not stupid, not all vampires are cruel, not all werewolves are open about our lycanthropy, and not all sirens are manipulative. Jeez.

🧜‍♀️ Saltwatersweetie Follow

THIS!!!!!! ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️

🩸B4TTYB1TES Follow

Well this escalated quickly 💀

[roseofthewind]

Kannazuki no miko continues to be one of the most horrible, heart-wrenching, beautiful, terrible, amazing, painful stories I have ever experienced and I love it so much and I am never, ever going to recommend it to anyone else ever

[elimgarakdemocrat]

"Three arrows" logo for the US Democratic Party. Design by @spudwaff1e, twitter user @/schlagteslinks, and I.

[brehaaorgana]

As a bisexual (mixed race) former academic w degrees in museum studies/art history & also former employee at an archaeology museum, WHEW......

[laurelwinchester]

Laurel/Helena had so much potential but knowing the writers, I am so glad nothing ever happened. But oh man, the potential.

oh, fully agree! i love my girls but if the show had gone there, it would have been a disaster. undoubtedly toxic and probably incredibly offensive in more than one way. it's for the best they never did anything with laurel/helena. .......but the potential! all that wasted chemistry! such a shame.

[fantastic-nonsense]

most of the discourse surrounding the question "are the Robins child soldiers?" could be solved if people simply read other comics. like, do y'all have this energy for Flash and Green Arrow and the Marvels and the Teen Titans? Do you call Donna Troy and Jaime Reyes child soldiers too? I am begging people to simply accept genre conventions and set yourselves free from this nonsense take

[kuwdora]

Anytime I see people talking about canon and fan fiction and all the discourse that happens therein, my brain always goes back to this line from Slings and Arrows. It’s been living in my head rent free for nearly 20 years.

Geoffrey Tennant is standing in front of a workshop class full of corporate middle management people who tell him they’re at the workshop to learn communication skills and management styles by learning about the works of Shakespeare. And they’re all just very cut and dry business folk who are there and are gonna Learn a Thing. Geoffrey basically waves the class’s notions aside and says: “Let’s fuck around with some text.”

I love that line. I think about that line a lot when I think about fandom. Taking canon and finding our own way to play and fuck around with it. Search for profound truths about a character. And the horny. The silliness and fun. Explore the new and process trauma or share joy with fic or art or vids. Going in completely different direction from canon because we’re in so deep and are possessed and that’s where the stories and the fanon has carried us.

Let’s fuck around with some text. It’s so good.

[zenosanalytic]

#the bigots do not care about how you identify#they will use whatever is handy to wound you#the point is the pain not the precision (via @arrows-for-pens)

I think perhaps endless pissing contests over which kind of trans person has it worse are very, very useless when we're all getting shoved in the meat grinder right now.

Ron DeSantis isn't exactly asking my pronouns before he passes Illegal To Be Trans bills, takes away everyone's HRT, and imprisons trans parents as child abusers.

[puppetwoman17]

Just wanted to remind everyone about that issue from Power of Shazam where Billy finds Princess Taia’s house. I think it’s on an island, so pretty closed off.

I headcanon that Fawcett heroes go to that specific house to lie low, or just to hang out. To get away from this new world and just…have a sense of normalcy(well, normalcy for Fawcett). Because there are now so many other hero groups, and they know they should branch out, but sometimes, old is safe.

This also goes for the Marvel family. Unlike with the other her teams, there was no discourse about Billy, Mary, and Freddy being children. And after years of knowing each other, it was just the norm for the Squadron to know that they are kids, treat them like equals, and also treat them like young kids deserving of love. I like to think they found that balance together.

Taia: *Getting ready for a movie shoot*

*The doorbell rings*

Taia: Ugh, coming! *Opens door*

Billy, Mary, Freddy, and literally everyone else: Uh…surprise?

Taia:…Um…

Ibis: *Sleeping on the couch* SNOOOOOOOOOOORE

Cue the Squadron coming there one by one. I have a headcanon that there’s magic involved, obvi, where the outside looks like a typical small summer home and the inside is just huge. So all of the Squadron fits into the living room.

And their relationship is just way more family oriented. Unlike other teams, they were a large family far earlier than they were a team. So when they hang out, it’s just natural wholesomeness!

Billy and Mary: *doing hw*

Spy Smasher: *pointing and helping*

Minute Man: *brings Billy food because he forgot to have dinner*

Freddy: This is boring

Pinky: Yeah…

Freddy: Wanna go mess with the Ibis Stick?

Pinky: HELL YEAH!

*The two kids run off*

MM: Should we stop them?

SS: No no, I wanna see where this is going.

———

Golden Arrow: Wait for it…

Everyone: Arrow! Arrow! Arrow!

GA: *draws back arrow and lets it fly and hit a line of watermelons*

Bulletgirl: AND THE CROWD GOES WILD!

Minute Man: *nudges her playfully and looks toward Billy*

BG: What? *Looks at Billy*

Billy: *Smiling wider than the Joker*

BG: Oh, hell.

————

Taia: Psst, hey!

Bulletman: *watching tv with everyone else* Hm? What?

Taia: *nudges her head toward the couch*

*Billy sitting on the couch sleeping with Ibis using his lap as a pillow*

BM:…

BM: *Takes out camera*

Mr. Scarlet: *Holds his own camera* Sorry, Jim, I beat ya to it.

Pinky: Actually… *holds out HIS own camera* I beat both of you

BG: *shakes head* He’s gonna kill you all in the morning.

I just wanna see more Squadron bonding okay? I miss their bond and hate how DC basically erased them. Shouldn’t be surprised tho, cause they’re very tied to the storylines where the Batson parents are good people and Fawcett is tied to magic and we can’t have that, can we?

Anyway, Squadron on top!

[gaywineauntsstuff]

Bro this whole discourse over who would be a republican/ a trumpie in the dc verse is so stupid imo bc we have so much canon info

Batfamily: none of them have been even vaguely conservative since the 90s, infact they’re all pretty far left with Bruce being the most center because he trusts one (1) cop. (Oooh but dick was a cop, yes as an infiltration tactic until he realized they were too corrupt -he was also like 19-20 during this time- to fix and canonically doesn’t work with them at all as a rule)

Bruce rebuilds his city pro bono like twice a year and single handedly funds like 80% of their social welfare, it’s also canon he refers goons to the nearest Wayne enterprise and gets them hired if Batman knows they’re just their bc they’re struggling

Arrows: NEVER INSULT OLIVER QUEEN IN MY FACE EVER AGAIN. This man is 50% a communist 50% Bernie sanders biggest fan depending on the media.

This man would never be a republican ignoring the arrowverse like it’s actually canon that Ollie won’t shut up about politics

Superfam: … the illegal alien who has to hide the fact he’s different from everyone else in a small town…. Hmmm maybe Kon is conservative if you’re blind, deaf and a little slow, Jon has a pink haired boyfriend and is besties with a middle eastern/south Asian kid actually so let’s not?

Clark Canonically hates the KKK you think he’d be part of the party whose candidate was endorsed by them??

Flashes: Barry Allen is a conservative, Wally west was when he was younger but he’s been pretty liberal since he became as adult, Wallace has never been conservative (TV Barry you will always be the most likeable Barry)

Lanterns: Hal Jordan is a Conservative, the rest are in fact not

Wonder Woman collective: Diana??? Donna??? Artemis?? Cassie??? None of the above don’t be dumb

Anyway it’s pretty hard to have a heroic character who doesn’t believe in social welfare? Since they’re running around saving people for free and 99% of them are anti killing. + having characters be sexist, racist and/or homophobic makes them less likable objectively and also narrows down the amount of stories you can tell.