#anti-ship moralization

[lyricfulloflight]

That’s the one thing I don’t understand - like it’s totally okay to dislike a ship and the reasons can be varied or as simple as you’d like. No one really needs a reason to dislike something I get that and that’s why the appropriate tags exist.

But like I’ve seen some of the things being thrown around both around BT and BE and I’m like okay guys shipping one thing over another doesnt make you better and being actively mean about it isn’t gonna change anything.

Why can’t we just enjoy what each fandom got? Buddie had some nice (if heartbreaking) scenes and BT had a cute date. I am new to 911 but like I’m surprised by how mean and almost like condescending some people have gotten and how quick they’re to call out one fandoms behavior without being like friend we are also doing that.

And I was in the kc fandom lol things got wild there.

Oooof sorry for the rant. Things just seem really intense since last night and I might have to do some unfollowing.

Assuming were talking the Klaroline kc fandom, I was in that one too :)

And maybe my memory isn't the best, but I don't remember things getting this vicious all the time either.

I do think fandom has changed in the sense that morality has been attached to shipping in such a weird way. Instead of shipping just being a personal preference, its become 'right' or 'wrong', or 'homophobic' or 'racist' or 'infantile' or 'predatory' to ship or not ship certain couples. And I just don't understand that.

I ship Buddie.

I'm pretty neutral on BuckTommy.

Why do I prefer one over the other? I almost always prefer ships with deep emotional bonds, who see something in each other no one else sees. I have never been a rarepair person, or a multishipper because my personal preference is for this deep emotional bond between characters.

That doesn't make my preference better or worse than anybody else's. Its just a personal preference. The same as I prefer the colour blue.

Other people might prefer couples with intense sexual chemistry, or who tease each other a lot, or who argue and have lots of passion, etc. Some people have a favourite character and ship them with everyone.

All of these are valid preferences.

Did I find the BuckTommy date in last night's episode a bit awkward? Yes. Was it because I'm a judgmental homophobic asshole? No. Daddy kink jokes wasn't my favourite thing, but I was fine with it. Two people in an adult relationship can flirt and and be kinky and that's totally fine by me. I have read and enjoyed way more explicit things in fanfic.

Personally (again just my opinion not a fact), I just found that the tone of the date and the joke fell flat as part of the episode overall. It was trying to break some of the tension and it didn't work for me.

Also, I tend to put more value on emotional connection in establishing relationships, so for me personally I would have preferred the conversation to stay in the more vulnerable place it started - Tommy offering Buck support due to Bobby's injury. If they had boned over having having difficult dads, or if Tommy had reached out and held Buck's hand to offer comfort, that would have been more meaningful to me, as opposed to the Daddy kink joke.

Again, nothing wrong with a Daddy kink. I too think Tommy calling Buck 'pretty boy' or 'good boy' in bed is hot.

Just kinky sex doesn't make for a meaningful relationship for me and I love Buck and I want him to have a deep meaningful relationship.

Since I haven't seen that with Tommy yet, I'm neutral on the ship.

I don't know why fandom has decided that who you ship or don't ship is some reflection of your moral values or lack thereof, but as someone who's fandom old, I find it weird and distasteful.

What people enjoy in fiction is not a reflection of who they are as a person at all times!

I don't generally block on unfollow people in fandom because I am very good at just letting things go and not spending too much time on things that upset me, but I have unfollowed people in the 911 fandom because of this overt judgement and moralization and (let's be honest) shit stirring, that some people engage in.

Fandom is supposed to be fun.

Let's make fandom fun again.

[ecoterrorist-katara]

you don’t have to be a Zutara shipper to dislike Ka/taang

Most of my irl friends are not shippers and the word “Zutara” does not exist in their vocabulary, but they think Ka/taang is weird. Because a prepubescent boy with a teenage girl is weird. He’s a child. She’s a teenager. Anyone who stops and thinks about what they were like at twelve vs fourteen knows those were some long years.

I started getting the ick for Ka/taang in The Headband and it reached its apex in Nightmares and Daydreams. I didn’t even start liking Zutara until The Southern Raiders. I liked Katara with Haru but the creators sank that ship with a strategically placed moustache

I am a ZK shipper so things like parallels and symbolism and Katara’s development as an adult matter to me. But even without all that, I didn’t like Ka/taang. Because before my analytical brain jumped in, my lizard brain said “ick.”

[the-badger-mole]

What Being a Zutara Shipper Means for ME!! (not YOU...necessarily)

Where is this idea that Zutara shippers are monolith coming from? I'm soooo bored with people thinking that there's any sort of requirement to shipping this couple. A lot of Zutara shippers ADORE Aang and Mai. I'd go as far as to say most like at least one of them. And that's cool. That's cool...

Hating Aang and Mai is fun, though. They are problematic in different, but oddly similar ways. Picking that apart is a completely valid way to enjoy the fandom. It's not required. No one should have to hate them to enjoy Zutara, but if you do hate them, hate them as loud as you want. They are terrible characters. They have abusive tendencies. Aang, as a character, absolutely perpetuates the Nice Guy myth that as long as you're persistent enough and not a Chan, eventually the girl who's never shown any interest in you will fall for you. Because you're "tH3 r3@L H3r0OOooO!" It doesn't matter that you've violated your crush's consent. Twice. Or that you go on to flirt with anti-miscegenation on a whim and only don't go through with it because it would effect you personally. No biggie!

I know it's a bit harder to hate on Mai. After all, Zuko did have the audacity to talk to her, his girlfriend about his feelings. He was SO out of line for that. How DARE he want support from her? Doesn't he know emotions and human connection are like garlic to emotional vampires like Mai??? Still, hating Mai is fun, so I'll do it anyway. I know it's so quirky, edgy goth of her to threaten him with death if he ever broke up with her again and then go on to not let him know her own father is trying to assassinate him, but I'm not a fan. Sorry 🤷🏾‍♀️

You know what, though? I found my people, as few as we may be. And I did it without telling people how they should or shouldn't feel about any characters. It's a good thing I figured out how tagging and blocking works. 🙃

[squ1dteeth]

helluva boss stans doing backflips to justify why Stolitz isn't rapey and starting to justify things that are Very Much Rapey irl is so fucking scary

[punkeropercyjackson]

Incest shippers must be lonely as hell,imagine you see two siblings or a parent and their kid having a positive relathionship and you're convinced it can't mean anything but them wanting to date eachother😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[themoralgoats]

Every proshipper in the Moral orel fandom are disgusting 💞💙💕❤️💜 ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️

[momentsofamberclarity]

this might come as a surprise to some people ... but the question is not are you "pro-ship", "ship neutral", or "anti-ship" ...

the real question is do you support artistic freedom or do you reject it in favor of compliance to the standards of mob mentality?

[local-limebug]

jason todd has so many underrated canon love interests. essence, isabel, artemis, and rose are all characters i love with him. like those are good ships. why is everyone ignoring them?

[dragonfoxandfound]

Aang/Kataang stan: The ONLY reason every Zutara/Zukka shipper ships it is because Zuko is hot.

Really? That's like me saying every Kataang shipper is an Aang self insert that wanted in Katara's pants or that every Kataang shipper ships it because Aang is their only hope of getting with that 'friend' they fuck zoned.

Zutara/Zukka - and pretty much every alt or canon ship - is liked for a myriad of reasons. Yet we keep seeing Zutara/Zukka shippers being painted with broad strokes such as these.

Why?

Because generalizing the entirety of Zutara/Zukka shippers and distilling their reason for liking a ship down to the shallowest reasons possible - like only liking it because they think a character is hot - is a half assed way to justify hating/harassing them.

Kataang and Aang stans are famous for telling alt shippers why they ship their non canon ship and they always seem to pick reasons they can use to shame and blame a shipper on a personal level (gotta say, colonizer fetish has been the most hilarious thing I've heard so far)

By assigning these 'baser' and 'shallow' reasons like lusting after a cartoon character as 'the only reason they ship it' they artificially award themselves the intellectual and moral highground. In doing this they give themselves the ok to spew some incredibly offensive things that are often misogynistic and at times even racist.

Like this new trend of lumping Zutara shippers in with genocide apologists - a disgustingly repulsive new low, even for Kataang shippers.

[tikiki05]

Spider-Verse hot take

If you ship Gwen and Miles, more power to you, you do you as long as youre not hurting(harassing) anyone

But MAN, it is so disappointing for both the story as a whole and for Gwen’s character that she “falls in love” with the first guy she befriends after swearing off friends ://

If you feel otherwise, more power to you! And with all due respect I don’t wanna hear about it! I came to tumblr to indulge further into my special interest for comfort, not to debate my feelings + opinions on it. I’m here for an echo-chamber that I can vent my feelings about these movies into and meet like-minded people! If you’re not like minded, again, all the power to you! Please just scroll and have a nice day💞

With that disclaimer out of the way, under the keep reading is where I expand upon the previous take.

ITSV sets them up as friends and presents wonderful heartfelt themes about love for friends, family, and especially for father figures. And ATSV continues that! But then also adds in a forced romance? And I mean this so respectfully because I hate arguing with people, but if I see one more person call them a “well written slow burn” (they always call it specifically that) I am going to LOSE MY MIND

Gwen does Miles SO inexplicably dirty in ways that she absolutely did not/had the ability not to! Ignoring her position/pressure in the Spider-Society!

“The creators always say how the romance between them is the heart of the story!!”

Well sorry but I really feel like they did that poorly. Apparently in ITSV they had four hours on the bus to talk and get to know each other? Would have been cool if that was expanded upon even a little! Or shown slightly more than it was cause I truly had no idea!

“Spider-Verse is about fixing the past mistakes of Spider-Man movies!”

Okay, could they have done that without doing the romance so poorly? Again, I wanna really like Gwen as much as other people do and just feel normal but I cannot get over how instantly it feels she goes from “I don’t do friends, but maybe now I do because of Miles!” to “I am deeply in love with Miles and am willing to risk so many things to see him” from what we’re shown. We’re not shown enough! And it makes me so mad! We deserve better!

If Gwen had fallen for a girl, I could forgive all of that because same lol, but nah, they can’t do that 🫠🫠

[theotterpenguin]

the way that (usually male) k//ataang shippers obsess over aang’s height… why are you so concerned about zutara shippers supposedly self-inserting like please the call is coming from inside the house

[even-more-pro-fiction-jellicle]

You ever watch something mainstream and internally monologue to antis like "You know this is RPF? You know RPF is mainstream and has been for a long time?"

[mfshipbracket]

[spitblaze]

No no, I don't think sex is bad because it's evil and dangerous, I'm not a puritan. I think sex is bad because its something men like to do, because they're evil and dangerous. Completely different.

[punkeropercyjackson]

This collage i found on pinterest is still the funniest fucking shit ever.This is literally fandom's idea of good m/f ships vs legit queer-coded and autistic4autistic m/f ships.Ojitooru vs Todomomo,Shikatema vs Naruhina,Sukka vs Kataang,Shallura vs Allurance,Adrienette vs Lukanette,Flynn and Rapunzel vs Tianaveen,Dickbabs vs Dickkory,Lunter vs Huntlow,Percabeth vs Percy with like every other girl his age,Starco vs Tomco.You can FEEL when they decided to make Gwen canonically trans and bring Hobie in I'M SCREAMINGHSJSHDJDJG

[moonlightdancer26]

When people hate on Dramione and its shippers for being toxic while they ship Drarry: