#anti-ship moralization

[lyricfulloflight]

That’s the one thing I don’t understand - like it’s totally okay to dislike a ship and the reasons can be varied or as simple as you’d like. No one really needs a reason to dislike something I get that and that’s why the appropriate tags exist.

But like I’ve seen some of the things being thrown around both around BT and BE and I’m like okay guys shipping one thing over another doesnt make you better and being actively mean about it isn’t gonna change anything.

Why can’t we just enjoy what each fandom got? Buddie had some nice (if heartbreaking) scenes and BT had a cute date. I am new to 911 but like I’m surprised by how mean and almost like condescending some people have gotten and how quick they’re to call out one fandoms behavior without being like friend we are also doing that.

And I was in the kc fandom lol things got wild there.

Oooof sorry for the rant. Things just seem really intense since last night and I might have to do some unfollowing.

Assuming were talking the Klaroline kc fandom, I was in that one too :)

And maybe my memory isn't the best, but I don't remember things getting this vicious all the time either.

I do think fandom has changed in the sense that morality has been attached to shipping in such a weird way. Instead of shipping just being a personal preference, its become 'right' or 'wrong', or 'homophobic' or 'racist' or 'infantile' or 'predatory' to ship or not ship certain couples. And I just don't understand that.

I ship Buddie.

I'm pretty neutral on BuckTommy.

Why do I prefer one over the other? I almost always prefer ships with deep emotional bonds, who see something in each other no one else sees. I have never been a rarepair person, or a multishipper because my personal preference is for this deep emotional bond between characters.

That doesn't make my preference better or worse than anybody else's. Its just a personal preference. The same as I prefer the colour blue.

Other people might prefer couples with intense sexual chemistry, or who tease each other a lot, or who argue and have lots of passion, etc. Some people have a favourite character and ship them with everyone.

All of these are valid preferences.

Did I find the BuckTommy date in last night's episode a bit awkward? Yes. Was it because I'm a judgmental homophobic asshole? No. Daddy kink jokes wasn't my favourite thing, but I was fine with it. Two people in an adult relationship can flirt and and be kinky and that's totally fine by me. I have read and enjoyed way more explicit things in fanfic.

Personally (again just my opinion not a fact), I just found that the tone of the date and the joke fell flat as part of the episode overall. It was trying to break some of the tension and it didn't work for me.

Also, I tend to put more value on emotional connection in establishing relationships, so for me personally I would have preferred the conversation to stay in the more vulnerable place it started - Tommy offering Buck support due to Bobby's injury. If they had boned over having having difficult dads, or if Tommy had reached out and held Buck's hand to offer comfort, that would have been more meaningful to me, as opposed to the Daddy kink joke.

Again, nothing wrong with a Daddy kink. I too think Tommy calling Buck 'pretty boy' or 'good boy' in bed is hot.

Just kinky sex doesn't make for a meaningful relationship for me and I love Buck and I want him to have a deep meaningful relationship.

Since I haven't seen that with Tommy yet, I'm neutral on the ship.

I don't know why fandom has decided that who you ship or don't ship is some reflection of your moral values or lack thereof, but as someone who's fandom old, I find it weird and distasteful.

What people enjoy in fiction is not a reflection of who they are as a person at all times!

I don't generally block on unfollow people in fandom because I am very good at just letting things go and not spending too much time on things that upset me, but I have unfollowed people in the 911 fandom because of this overt judgement and moralization and (let's be honest) shit stirring, that some people engage in.

Fandom is supposed to be fun.

Let's make fandom fun again.

[ecoterrorist-katara]

you don’t have to be a Zutara shipper to dislike Ka/taang

Most of my irl friends are not shippers and the word “Zutara” does not exist in their vocabulary, but they think Ka/taang is weird. Because a prepubescent boy with a teenage girl is weird. He’s a child. She’s a teenager. Anyone who stops and thinks about what they were like at twelve vs fourteen knows those were some long years.

I started getting the ick for Ka/taang in The Headband and it reached its apex in Nightmares and Daydreams. I didn’t even start liking Zutara until The Southern Raiders. I liked Katara with Haru but the creators sank that ship with a strategically placed moustache

I am a ZK shipper so things like parallels and symbolism and Katara’s development as an adult matter to me. But even without all that, I didn’t like Ka/taang. Because before my analytical brain jumped in, my lizard brain said “ick.”

[valyrfia]

lando liking hate comments on his instagram…brother put the phone down. take a deep breath. call a friend.

[punkeropercyjackson]

I've had it with the assumption Duke Thomas is just a DC version of Miles Morales.Y'all literally only think that because they're both black and you may call it 'representation' but it's tokenization by stripping them of their depth(and their designs.....they don't look similar and once again you're being antiblack by saying they do).Here's how Duke and Miles aren't 'same character,different font':

Duke is too mean to be Miles(a compliment to Duke and not an insult to Miles)

Duke is a Meta and the son of a god named Gnonom and therefore a half human hybrid,Miles became a mutant while born as an ordinary human

Duke is only AA,Miles is AA and afrolatino

Duke's sun motif is based on his powers,Miles' sun motif is based solely on personality

Duke is actually like Hobie Brown:Dystopian black punk teen boy who lost his childhood but only let that make him an optimistic anarchist,professional insitigator and stay silly,is the leader of a mantlesharing team of other troubled kids of color and an absolute sweetheart despite the audacious attitude with absolute batshit street cred

And Miles is actually like Jason Todd and/or Tim Drake:Black and red-coded,secondmantle holder who went to a far off place when he was 15 to find himself at the manipulation of an important woman in his life and had his life irreversably impacted by a Canon Event Death,went from a soft peppy nerdy boy to a self-isolating goth asshole mentored by a major figure from his dad's past to cope with his trauma and a precious teen genius who has to deal with typical teen problems even in his double life and talks so much trash and gets himself into so many situations it's a (boy) wonder he's still alive

And jic y'all get any ideas about what i'm about:Batcest isn't a part of Batlore,that was made up by white gays to make themselves look smart and i never watched Deadpool and Wolverine and i think nobody else should've either

[sukibenders]

Hear me out: you can ship JayVik without falling into or using rhetoric that fits the disposable black girlfriend trope. You can ship JayVik without using Mel as some conceived ploy or antagonistic plot device that makes her out of character. You can ship JayVik without falling into misogynistic rhetoric (eg. viewing female characters as disposable or stepping tools, amongst other things). You can ship JayVik without erasing the impact Mel has had on Jayce and their relationship because, whether you shipped it or not or even gave it the time of day, Mel and Jayce did care for each other, and to deny that or say Viktor held more importance/impact than her in Jayce's life to where she's viewed as "unnecessary" just to further your ship is so wrong and, whether you intended for it or not, does carry undertones where black characters, especially black female characters, emotional impact on others is ignored or downplayed even though there's context to support just how important it is/they are. Lastly, you can ship JayVik without using anti-black and misogynoir type rhetoric because the amount that has flooded this fandom, but especially from some fans of this ship, is atrocious. Ship what you like, but be respectful and careful with certain things you say, is all I'm saying.

[the-badger-mole]

What Being a Zutara Shipper Means for ME!! (not YOU...necessarily)

Where is this idea that Zutara shippers are monolith coming from? I'm soooo bored with people thinking that there's any sort of requirement to shipping this couple. A lot of Zutara shippers ADORE Aang and Mai. I'd go as far as to say most like at least one of them. And that's cool. That's cool...

Hating Aang and Mai is fun, though. They are problematic in different, but oddly similar ways. Picking that apart is a completely valid way to enjoy the fandom. It's not required. No one should have to hate them to enjoy Zutara, but if you do hate them, hate them as loud as you want. They are terrible characters. They have abusive tendencies. Aang, as a character, absolutely perpetuates the Nice Guy myth that as long as you're persistent enough and not a Chan, eventually the girl who's never shown any interest in you will fall for you. Because you're "tH3 r3@L H3r0OOooO!" It doesn't matter that you've violated your crush's consent. Twice. Or that you go on to flirt with anti-miscegenation on a whim and only don't go through with it because it would effect you personally. No biggie!

I know it's a bit harder to hate on Mai. After all, Zuko did have the audacity to talk to her, his girlfriend about his feelings. He was SO out of line for that. How DARE he want support from her? Doesn't he know emotions and human connection are like garlic to emotional vampires like Mai??? Still, hating Mai is fun, so I'll do it anyway. I know it's so quirky, edgy goth of her to threaten him with death if he ever broke up with her again and then go on to not let him know her own father is trying to assassinate him, but I'm not a fan. Sorry 🤷🏾‍♀️

You know what, though? I found my people, as few as we may be. And I did it without telling people how they should or shouldn't feel about any characters. It's a good thing I figured out how tagging and blocking works. 🙃

[tikiki05]

Spider-Verse hot take

If you ship Gwen and Miles, more power to you, you do you as long as youre not hurting(harassing) anyone

But MAN, it is so disappointing for both the story as a whole and for Gwen’s character that she “falls in love” with the first guy she befriends after swearing off friends ://

If you feel otherwise, more power to you! And with all due respect I don’t wanna hear about it! I came to tumblr to indulge further into my special interest for comfort, not to debate my feelings + opinions on it. I’m here for an echo-chamber that I can vent my feelings about these movies into and meet like-minded people! If you’re not like minded, again, all the power to you! Please just scroll and have a nice day💞

With that disclaimer out of the way, under the keep reading is where I expand upon the previous take.

ITSV sets them up as friends and presents wonderful heartfelt themes about love for friends, family, and especially for father figures. And ATSV continues that! But then also adds in a forced romance? And I mean this so respectfully because I hate arguing with people, but if I see one more person call them a “well written slow burn” (they always call it specifically that) I am going to LOSE MY MIND

Gwen does Miles SO inexplicably dirty in ways that she absolutely did not/had the ability not to! Ignoring her position/pressure in the Spider-Society!

“The creators always say how the romance between them is the heart of the story!!”

Well sorry but I really feel like they did that poorly. Apparently in ITSV they had four hours on the bus to talk and get to know each other? Would have been cool if that was expanded upon even a little! Or shown slightly more than it was cause I truly had no idea!

“Spider-Verse is about fixing the past mistakes of Spider-Man movies!”

Okay, could they have done that without doing the romance so poorly? Again, I wanna really like Gwen as much as other people do and just feel normal but I cannot get over how instantly it feels she goes from “I don’t do friends, but maybe now I do because of Miles!” to “I am deeply in love with Miles and am willing to risk so many things to see him” from what we’re shown. We’re not shown enough! And it makes me so mad! We deserve better!

If Gwen had fallen for a girl, I could forgive all of that because same lol, but nah, they can’t do that 🫠🫠

[takaraphoenix]

Dear Anonymous Shithead

ai wish i could like this but honestly nico/percy is kinda... wll not exactly toxic but like it really isnt something anyone should ship

It is the year 2024 and there are truly still people on AO3 who have not learned how to navigate the very easy filter-system, huh. When will you people learn that comments like these are just truly so embarrassing for you, because they make you look stupid on multiple levels...?

Can't even decide if the choice to 1. not filter when that's such an easy tool to use, 2. open fics for ships you don't like because you don't have anything joyful to do in your life I guess and 3. comment on the fics for the ships you don't like to complain about its existence like that will change anything is the more ridiculous thing or the "not exactly toxic".

The "not exactly toxic" is deadass so funny to me, like, you don't even have the balls to properly insult the ship you that you bothered to actively seek out and complain about. It's not even toxic it's just mildly inconvenient I guess?? You didn't even have the balls to call it an unhealthy age gap or anything, you're just vaguely mildly uncomfortable, like c'mon, this was the explicit "Nico is a high school student and Percy goes to college" fic, I was, like, fully setting you up for success on the unhealthy age gap angle there!

Would love to see all the hypocritical, fully toxic ships that you do ship in your private sin chamber though.

[squ1dteeth]

helluva boss stans doing backflips to justify why Stolitz isn't rapey and starting to justify things that are Very Much Rapey irl is so fucking scary

[themoralgoats]

Every proshipper in the Moral orel fandom are disgusting 💞💙💕❤️💜 ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️

[momentsofamberclarity]

this might come as a surprise to some people ... but the question is not are you "pro-ship", "ship neutral", or "anti-ship" ...

the real question is do you support artistic freedom or do you reject it in favor of compliance to the standards of mob mentality?

[leothil]

I'm fighting tooth and nail to not make a long, salty post, but let me just say that those of you saying "the only thing we did was enjoy a canon ship," first of all you know you're lying, and second of all if you're gonna act like everyone who ships buddie are responsible for everything every single person in that group did, tell me why I shouldn't hold you responsible for everything every single bucktommy shipper did.

[local-limebug]

jason todd has so many underrated canon love interests. essence, isabel, artemis, and rose are all characters i love with him. like those are good ships. why is everyone ignoring them?

[dragonfoxandfound]

Aang/Kataang stan: The ONLY reason every Zutara/Zukka shipper ships it is because Zuko is hot.

Really? That's like me saying every Kataang shipper is an Aang self insert that wanted in Katara's pants or that every Kataang shipper ships it because Aang is their only hope of getting with that 'friend' they fuck zoned.

Zutara/Zukka - and pretty much every alt or canon ship - is liked for a myriad of reasons. Yet we keep seeing Zutara/Zukka shippers being painted with broad strokes such as these.

Why?

Because generalizing the entirety of Zutara/Zukka shippers and distilling their reason for liking a ship down to the shallowest reasons possible - like only liking it because they think a character is hot - is a half assed way to justify hating/harassing them.

Kataang and Aang stans are famous for telling alt shippers why they ship their non canon ship and they always seem to pick reasons they can use to shame and blame a shipper on a personal level (gotta say, colonizer fetish has been the most hilarious thing I've heard so far)

By assigning these 'baser' and 'shallow' reasons like lusting after a cartoon character as 'the only reason they ship it' they artificially award themselves the intellectual and moral highground. In doing this they give themselves the ok to spew some incredibly offensive things that are often misogynistic and at times even racist.

Like this new trend of lumping Zutara shippers in with genocide apologists - a disgustingly repulsive new low, even for Kataang shippers.

[theotterpenguin]

the way that (usually male) k//ataang shippers obsess over aang’s height… why are you so concerned about zutara shippers supposedly self-inserting like please the call is coming from inside the house

[sukibenders]

Some in the Arcane fandom think they are being helpful when, regarding Mel having romantic relationships, they say "She's a strong, independent woman who doesn't need a (in this case) man", but they really aren't. Even if they don't mean to, or were being genuine, the statement is still riddled with many undertones because the "Strong Black Woman" trope is often placed on so many black female characters to often deny them the opportunity of love and care and protection that they, in fiction and real life, are often not given or given right off the bat in comparison to their counterparts, to the point where they don't even get the choice either, as well as to push them aside.

It's not even a compliment because, oftentimes, when this term/trope is used, it doesn't even take into account the amount of stress it takes to be strong, let alone strong and alone. Another thing, which also makes it very backhanded, this trope really rears its head regarding Mel from a lot of JayVik fans, some who I will give benefit of doubt while others know exactly what they are doing. Using this term to brush off the fact that, whether you ship them or not, Mel and Jayce shared a bond with one another and she would obviously be saddened to hear of his demise (unless some of you are still running with the trope of her being heartless or just like Ambessa, and even that loses weight when you see Ambessa call Mel her literal weakness). Like, apply this to real life, why would you automatically assume that a black woman doesn't need love just because she's strong? Why do you think she doesn't need to be held or consoled? Why don't you think black girls and women want to see black female characters who are, not only, strong and have power, but also loved and cherished in the same breath?

To add on, there's this trend in fandom of labeling a female character as a "girlboss" or "queen" or just any of these terms, but not doing/adding anything else to her character besides "She's strong!" but will write 1000 word essays on the male characters within the same media. Do you see the problem here? This happens with Mel so much to the point where people don't even know who she is as a character. People (specifically toxic shippers) said that she's just like Ambessa, but the show went out of its way to show you again and again why she is not. Or did you just ignore it/watch with your eyes closed?