#anti loki x sylvie

[pinktwingirl]

I'm so tired of constantly seeing Disney/Marvel pushing pro-S*lki bullshit it's fucking despicable.

Like seriously, can you imagine if the genders were reversed and S*lki was instead about a female character fawning over a male character who is constantly insulting her and telling her to shut up? Everyone would be up in arms about how abusive it was and how it was setting a bad example for young girls (and rightfully so). But because it's a female character doing this to a man, suddenly that's ok??? Sylvie is literally never held accountable for anything she does. It doesn't matter how selfish she acts or how badly she treats other people; the narrative always frames her as this pinnacle of perfection who can do no wrong purely because she's a woman. Nothing is ever her fault because she "had a rough past" so apparently that gives her a free pass to be as despicable as humanly possible and everyone will still love her no matter what. Meanwhile Loki treats her and Mobius with respect and kindness even though they have been nothing but awful to him and yet HE'S the one constantly framed as the "evil narcissist." Fucking disgusting.

[marvelights625]

I loved the Loki show- it was such a good set up for the marvel multiverse. But god did I hate Sylki. It was so forced and annoying like wtf?! You just had do make Loki, the central male character, fall in love with the central female character! AND THEY WERE THE SAME PERSON. Falling in love with a variation yourself is narcissism? Loki is a narcissist? That’s not how I remember it😭. They literally pushed down Loki’s character to make Sylvie seem more authoritative and powerful. The god damn show is about Loki. She was so pissy and angry, she didn’t trust her teammates or care about them. Everything she does is okay because she had a rough past. Loki wasn’t so eased. First feeling outcasted but his family, living in Thor’s greatness, getting tortured by Thanos and being blamed for it. But they didn’t acknowledge that then, they didn’t now. Also, do writers have to romanticise everything? Even if they did, wouldn’t Loki and Mobius be a better pairing. They had so much chemistry and there was MUTUAL trust. Just because of homophobic fans, marvel imposed Sylvie and Loki on us. And I’m starting to think the writer’s put quality into the plot, but not where they were taking Loki’s character.

I want season 2 to go in depth with LOKI’S character. He deserved that. Make him powerful and angsty. Make him mischievous, but serious, like he’s the main character. And it’s a long shot, but please at least making Lokius partly canon. It’s a reasonable and beautiful ship.

thank you for listening to my ted talk.

[stuffedanimalsgalore]

NO WHY ARE THEY MAKING LOKI X SYLVIE PLS THEY'RE BEST FRIENDS

[yummygender]

Every time I see Sylvie, I wanna puke.

[incantation-sigyn]

Yes. Loki. Not Larry.

[lokidanger]

I honestly want to draw/write a story about TVA!Loki finding a variant (which is a variant of my OC) that actually listens and offers him comfort without belittling him.

Like Loki deserves that, I really hate that show because of how they treat him.

So here they are.

The premise is, this Variant, who's called Val, has known Loki (at least a version of them, in their timeline), so of course when seeing the TV!Loki he's like...

"Wait, wth, this is the shell of a Loki. What did they do to him?."

So of course, he sticks around Loki because of how exhausted and depressed he looks. Not only that, but it's also out of "Hey, I was friends with a Loki once, and you remind me of him, so I care about you as well."

Over all, just giving Loki the support he needs to become the Loki he used to be.

Btw, this is how my OC looks like with his Loki.

(all art is mine btw)

[shadow-turtle-234]

And she is in his family tree.

If you're looking for me, I'll be throwing up.

[artist-issues]

Reminder that making Loki and Sylvie romantic was not a huge mistake. It was very smart and very in-character.

Not because they love themselves. That’s just a very clever writer’s play on the Loki-Trope-words.

Because she’s the most not-him person that there is. He wants to be the center of attention. She wants to live a quiet life left alone. He wants to take thrones and rule. She wants to topple thrones and rulers. He wants to tyrannize and enslave. She wants to set whole realities free. He sets traps to defeat his most hated foes. She just runs up and stabs them. He never shuts up. She’s stoic and quiet.

To people who believe it’s weird or gross because “they share DNA” or “they’re siblings…” Yeah. They share the same DNA, clearly—just like the Alligator Loki! 🙄 And they share parents, clearly—oh, except they don’t, because Loki’s parents were the kind of people to hide his true origins from him, and Sylvie’s parents were as different from that as you can get. They don’t share DNA, they aren’t the same gender, they don’t share memories or a similar history, and they don’t even share a name. They’re not like the same person, and they’re not like siblings.

The places where they’re similar? Like Sylvie’s chip on her shoulder against those who’ve wronged her? They’re all the places Loki has grown out of, or is in the process of growing out of when he meets Sylvie—and she’s been hellbent on avenging herself against those who’ve wronged her for her whole life.

He’s in love with her because of the—say it with me—“Idea of Potential” that she represents.

It’s just like how Ariel is in love with Eric, even before she gets to know him, because all she needs to know is that his character traits match up with everything she’s always hoped humans could be like. All Loki needs to know about Sylvie is that her character traits match up with everything he’s always wished he could be:

Confident instead of pretending to be confident; heroic instead of pretending to be heroic; secure in who he is regardless of what people think of him; able to focus on something bigger than himself; etc. Loki’s never been able to be those things and even convinced himself he’s proud of pretending—but Sylvie genuinely is all those things.

And Sylvie? Since she was stolen from her home and family she has made no connections, had nobody care about her, and focused only on her mission. If she ever had dreams outside of that, it probably revolved around the idea of freedom. Then in comes this guy who not only expresses care for her, but is the type of guy who doesn’t let anybody tell him what he is or what to do—he can relate to her feelings of hurt, and eventually, tries to help her grow beyond them, too.

They both represent something that the other person has always wanted to do or be, and they both challenge each other, and they both have this big existential hole in their hearts of “nobody wants me or likes me” to relate to each other with.

How is this a mistake? It’s literally the smartest way they’ve ever had Loki make a connection with someone outside his adopted family. (Mobius is cool and all but he’s a Thor-stand-in for this Loki, who’s been ripped out of Thor’s timeline.)

I’m going to stop beating the dead horse, but basically, if you think Loki and Sylvie as a romantic couple is weird, try and look at it the way it actually is, instead of superimposing “female love interest bad” or catchy Internet memes like “Loki Show Approves Incest” over everything 🙄

[rustyoldfangirl]

I love Sylvie as a character and also like and respect the actress. I think she’s a fun character who has a lot of potential for character development.

But I don’t like to ship her with Loki for obvious reasons.

I ship lokius. And I think they are great representation of opposites.

And sylkies call US misogynistic?????

Duuuude you are the one who cannot see a strong female character without romantic affiliation with a main male character!!!!!!

[agentoffangirling]

I remember seeing this one post that was like "erm you guys can't ship Lokius, there's no evidence they like each other, that's biphobic, you only want to see Loki get with a man" like what??

First off, who cares if they "canonically" love each other or not, there are ships built off of characters who never interact, I doubt them not expressing their feelings on screen really matters compared to this

Second, Lokius is not a biphobic ship nor are the people who ship it are. There definitely ARE weird people who want to only see Loki get with a man, but the majority just don't want Sylki to happen

Bc. You know. Sylki is selfcest

(And a very toxic relationship at that but I'm not getting into that rn)

Also is it bad that many people wanted Loki to show attraction to men as well? Throughout the whole series, Loki only shows attraction to women; ofc that doesn't make her invalid as a bisexual person, but to claim that bi rep was so important to you yet the only characters they are shown to romantically like are women is part of the problem

And then to justify your lack of bi rep by going "look both of these characters are bi, it's bi rep", knowing full well it is a very straight-passing relationship just adds to it

Again, Loki and Sylvie are in a bisexual relationship; them being straight-passing is not the issue, the issue is that they use the fact that both of them are bi to justify the lack of bisexual representation in the Loki series. People have a right to feel disappointed that they didn't feel represented when creators claimed they would, and to go off and say that they should've been is not the way to go about it

Just let Lokius be, y'all, it's not the end of the world, it's not biphobic, calm down

[pinktwingirl]

In all seriousness:

Don’t EVER stay in a relationship with someone who treats you the way Sylvie treats Loki. Do not let this fucking awful series trick you into thinking that’s love. It’s not - it’s abuse, plain and simple.

[messrmoonyy]

The official Loki novelisation confirming Loki is in love with Sylvie has truly made my day

[starlight-bread-blog]

Within the Loki series, taken out of who Loki was in phases 1-3, Lokius is seriously growing on me.

Loki and Mobius have a great bond, built on support and understanding.

Sylki is selfcest, Loki x Loki. We won't be missing out on anything. (In fact, I think it'd be for the best). I can easily see this going on the romance route.

But from what I remember, I wouldn't call it queerbaiting. Nor would I cite it as a reason to ship them.

My reason is good mlm representation from Disney.

There are a lot of straight couples in the MCU. (Almost) Every main hero is in some heterosexual relationship, Loki included.

And that's not even all the relationships, there are more.

But in the LGBTQ+ department... uh.. I think it was mentioned that Valkyrie had a girlfriend... uh... America Chavez had a pride pin... and Loki:

Wow!! How brave!! That is trurly MAGNIFICENT!! Cynicism aside, I'm sure the writers cared for the representation. I don't know them. But in the context of the MCU doing the bare minimum, it's icky.

One might argue that Loki is bisexual, therefore it's biphobic to suggest that he has to be in a gay relationship in order to be bi enough. Let me be clear, you are bi enough regardless of who you date.

However, as a bisexual person myself, I strongly disagree. The MCU has been giving us nothing but crumbs. Disney doesn't give a fuck about good representation. They want to attract queer wallets, but still keep it short enough to delete the scene for Russia and China. Us queers deserve better.

There was an opportunity to break out of this pattern, to give us an exploration of a queer experience. But we weren't given that. Time and time again, we aren't given that. And I fundamentally reject the notion that it's biphobic to criticize them for it.

Lokius could have been the MCU's first healthy queer relationship of a main character that is given an arc. I'm rooting for them all the way.

[darklinaforever]

I'll be clear. I don't ship Lokius. But I totally understand the concept behind the ship. And surely if Sylvie didn't exist, I would ship Lokius. But the reality is that this ship is fanon, pure and simple and has obviously never been designed with a romantic or ambiguous perspective in my opinion. I really don't see how this relationship is supposed to be queerbaiting. All this talk really perplexes me. Lokius is a very valuable platonic relationship (confirmed by the creators to be platonic only) to me, as Mobius is literally the very first true friend Loki has ever made that we know of. Mobius is the first friend, while Sylvie is the first love. It's that simple.

[curiositysavesthecat]

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[mothsobsessions]

i cannot stand the loki fandom tbh and im trying to enjoy myself here so briefly let me say

loki caring about sylvie is a good thing. loki and sylvie deserve to fight and talk it out and openly care about each other. they deserve that.

that doesn't mean that the romantic pairing is being pushed in the narrative or whatever. the kiss did happen in canon they have to address it. not pro ship here, just saying: they deserve closure and they deserve to have their relationship (non romantic) mended.

being anti-sylki doesn't mean being anti-loki & syvlie or anti sylvie. the show is good, it's in character, it's creditable- we just don't have all the information yet so we cannot make a judgement call abt it.