#anti loki x sylvie

[pinktwingirl]

I'm so tired of constantly seeing Disney/Marvel pushing pro-S*lki bullshit it's fucking despicable.

Like seriously, can you imagine if the genders were reversed and S*lki was instead about a female character fawning over a male character who is constantly insulting her and telling her to shut up? Everyone would be up in arms about how abusive it was and how it was setting a bad example for young girls (and rightfully so). But because it's a female character doing this to a man, suddenly that's ok??? Sylvie is literally never held accountable for anything she does. It doesn't matter how selfish she acts or how badly she treats other people; the narrative always frames her as this pinnacle of perfection who can do no wrong purely because she's a woman. Nothing is ever her fault because she "had a rough past" so apparently that gives her a free pass to be as despicable as humanly possible and everyone will still love her no matter what. Meanwhile Loki treats her and Mobius with respect and kindness even though they have been nothing but awful to him and yet HE'S the one constantly framed as the "evil narcissist." Fucking disgusting.

[marvelights625]

I loved the Loki show- it was such a good set up for the marvel multiverse. But god did I hate Sylki. It was so forced and annoying like wtf?! You just had do make Loki, the central male character, fall in love with the central female character! AND THEY WERE THE SAME PERSON. Falling in love with a variation yourself is narcissism? Loki is a narcissist? That’s not how I remember it😭. They literally pushed down Loki’s character to make Sylvie seem more authoritative and powerful. The god damn show is about Loki. She was so pissy and angry, she didn’t trust her teammates or care about them. Everything she does is okay because she had a rough past. Loki wasn’t so eased. First feeling outcasted but his family, living in Thor’s greatness, getting tortured by Thanos and being blamed for it. But they didn’t acknowledge that then, they didn’t now. Also, do writers have to romanticise everything? Even if they did, wouldn’t Loki and Mobius be a better pairing. They had so much chemistry and there was MUTUAL trust. Just because of homophobic fans, marvel imposed Sylvie and Loki on us. And I’m starting to think the writer’s put quality into the plot, but not where they were taking Loki’s character.

I want season 2 to go in depth with LOKI’S character. He deserved that. Make him powerful and angsty. Make him mischievous, but serious, like he’s the main character. And it’s a long shot, but please at least making Lokius partly canon. It’s a reasonable and beautiful ship.

thank you for listening to my ted talk.

[stuffedanimalsgalore]

NO WHY ARE THEY MAKING LOKI X SYLVIE PLS THEY'RE BEST FRIENDS

[yummygender]

Every time I see Sylvie, I wanna puke.

[artist-issues]

Reminder that making Loki and Sylvie romantic was not a huge mistake. It was very smart and very in-character.

Not because they love themselves. That’s just a very clever writer’s play on the Loki-Trope-words.

Because she’s the most not-him person that there is. He wants to be the center of attention. She wants to live a quiet life left alone. He wants to take thrones and rule. She wants to topple thrones and rulers. He wants to tyrannize and enslave. She wants to set whole realities free. He sets traps to defeat his most hated foes. She just runs up and stabs them. He never shuts up. She’s stoic and quiet.

To people who believe it’s weird or gross because “they share DNA” or “they’re siblings…” Yeah. They share the same DNA, clearly—just like the Alligator Loki! 🙄 And they share parents, clearly—oh, except they don’t, because Loki’s parents were the kind of people to hide his true origins from him, and Sylvie’s parents were as different from that as you can get. They don’t share DNA, they aren’t the same gender, they don’t share memories or a similar history, and they don’t even share a name. They’re not like the same person, and they’re not like siblings.

The places where they’re similar? Like Sylvie’s chip on her shoulder against those who’ve wronged her? They’re all the places Loki has grown out of, or is in the process of growing out of when he meets Sylvie—and she’s been hellbent on avenging herself against those who’ve wronged her for her whole life.

He’s in love with her because of the—say it with me—“Idea of Potential” that she represents.

It’s just like how Ariel is in love with Eric, even before she gets to know him, because all she needs to know is that his character traits match up with everything she’s always hoped humans could be like. All Loki needs to know about Sylvie is that her character traits match up with everything he’s always wished he could be:

Confident instead of pretending to be confident; heroic instead of pretending to be heroic; secure in who he is regardless of what people think of him; able to focus on something bigger than himself; etc. Loki’s never been able to be those things and even convinced himself he’s proud of pretending—but Sylvie genuinely is all those things.

And Sylvie? Since she was stolen from her home and family she has made no connections, had nobody care about her, and focused only on her mission. If she ever had dreams outside of that, it probably revolved around the idea of freedom. Then in comes this guy who not only expresses care for her, but is the type of guy who doesn’t let anybody tell him what he is or what to do—he can relate to her feelings of hurt, and eventually, tries to help her grow beyond them, too.

They both represent something that the other person has always wanted to do or be, and they both challenge each other, and they both have this big existential hole in their hearts of “nobody wants me or likes me” to relate to each other with.

How is this a mistake? It’s literally the smartest way they’ve ever had Loki make a connection with someone outside his adopted family. (Mobius is cool and all but he’s a Thor-stand-in for this Loki, who’s been ripped out of Thor’s timeline.)

I’m going to stop beating the dead horse, but basically, if you think Loki and Sylvie as a romantic couple is weird, try and look at it the way it actually is, instead of superimposing “female love interest bad” or catchy Internet memes like “Loki Show Approves Incest” over everything 🙄

[rustyoldfangirl]

I love Sylvie as a character and also like and respect the actress. I think she’s a fun character who has a lot of potential for character development.

But I don’t like to ship her with Loki for obvious reasons.

I ship lokius. And I think they are great representation of opposites.

And sylkies call US misogynistic?????

Duuuude you are the one who cannot see a strong female character without romantic affiliation with a main male character!!!!!!

[agentoffangirling]

I remember seeing this one post that was like "erm you guys can't ship Lokius, there's no evidence they like each other, that's biphobic, you only want to see Loki get with a man" like what??

First off, who cares if they "canonically" love each other or not, there are ships built off of characters who never interact, I doubt them not expressing their feelings on screen really matters compared to this

Second, Lokius is not a biphobic ship nor are the people who ship it are. There definitely ARE weird people who want to only see Loki get with a man, but the majority just don't want Sylki to happen

Bc. You know. Sylki is selfcest

(And a very toxic relationship at that but I'm not getting into that rn)

Also is it bad that many people wanted Loki to show attraction to men as well? Throughout the whole series, Loki only shows attraction to women; ofc that doesn't make her invalid as a bisexual person, but to claim that bi rep was so important to you yet the only characters they are shown to romantically like are women is part of the problem

And then to justify your lack of bi rep by going "look both of these characters are bi, it's bi rep", knowing full well it is a very straight-passing relationship just adds to it

Again, Loki and Sylvie are in a bisexual relationship; them being straight-passing is not the issue, the issue is that they use the fact that both of them are bi to justify the lack of bisexual representation in the Loki series. People have a right to feel disappointed that they didn't feel represented when creators claimed they would, and to go off and say that they should've been is not the way to go about it

Just let Lokius be, y'all, it's not the end of the world, it's not biphobic, calm down

[messrmoonyy]

The official Loki novelisation confirming Loki is in love with Sylvie has truly made my day

[starlight-bread-blog]

Within the Loki series, taken out of who Loki was in phases 1-3, Lokius is seriously growing on me.

Loki and Mobius have a great bond, built on support and understanding.

Sylki is selfcest, Loki x Loki. We won't be missing out on anything. (In fact, I think it'd be for the best). I can easily see this going on the romance route.

But from what I remember, I wouldn't call it queerbaiting. Nor would I cite it as a reason to ship them.

My reason is good mlm representation from Disney.

There are a lot of straight couples in the MCU. (Almost) Every main hero is in some heterosexual relationship, Loki included.

And that's not even all the relationships, there are more.

But in the LGBTQ+ department... uh.. I think it was mentioned that Valkyrie had a girlfriend... uh... America Chavez had a pride pin... and Loki:

Wow!! How brave!! That is trurly MAGNIFICENT!! Cynicism aside, I'm sure the writers cared for the representation. I don't know them. But in the context of the MCU doing the bare minimum, it's icky.

One might argue that Loki is bisexual, therefore it's biphobic to suggest that he has to be in a gay relationship in order to be bi enough. Let me be clear, you are bi enough regardless of who you date.

However, as a bisexual person myself, I strongly disagree. The MCU has been giving us nothing but crumbs. Disney doesn't give a fuck about good representation. They want to attract queer wallets, but still keep it short enough to delete the scene for Russia and China. Us queers deserve better.

There was an opportunity to break out of this pattern, to give us an exploration of a queer experience. But we weren't given that. Time and time again, we aren't given that. And I fundamentally reject the notion that it's biphobic to criticize them for it.

Lokius could have been the MCU's first healthy queer relationship of a main character that is given an arc. I'm rooting for them all the way.

[darklinaforever]

I'll be clear. I don't ship Lokius. But I totally understand the concept behind the ship. And surely if Sylvie didn't exist, I would ship Lokius. But the reality is that this ship is fanon, pure and simple and has obviously never been designed with a romantic or ambiguous perspective in my opinion. I really don't see how this relationship is supposed to be queerbaiting. All this talk really perplexes me. Lokius is a very valuable platonic relationship (confirmed by the creators to be platonic only) to me, as Mobius is literally the very first true friend Loki has ever made that we know of. Mobius is the first friend, while Sylvie is the first love. It's that simple.

[curiositysavesthecat]

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[pinktwingirl]

In all seriousness:

Don’t EVER stay in a relationship with someone who treats you the way Sylvie treats Loki. Do not let this fucking awful series trick you into thinking that’s love. It’s not - it’s abuse, plain and simple.

[mothsobsessions]

i cannot stand the loki fandom tbh and im trying to enjoy myself here so briefly let me say

loki caring about sylvie is a good thing. loki and sylvie deserve to fight and talk it out and openly care about each other. they deserve that.

that doesn't mean that the romantic pairing is being pushed in the narrative or whatever. the kiss did happen in canon they have to address it. not pro ship here, just saying: they deserve closure and they deserve to have their relationship (non romantic) mended.

being anti-sylki doesn't mean being anti-loki & syvlie or anti sylvie. the show is good, it's in character, it's creditable- we just don't have all the information yet so we cannot make a judgement call abt it.

[riotinyellow]

me and loki have beef. The first thing you think of doing after being saved by the love of your life is speak of sylvie ?

[atrxides]

lol just saw that thread on twitter where lokius stans are gaslighting themselves into thinking Tom was "forced at g*npoint" (their exact words) to say that loki and mobius were friends (implying they are nothing more) the pure delusion tho lol

also why are lokius stans always so quick to violence; threatening people online, threatening the cast?? Like They're never more than 2 seconds away from making a death threat istg. Now saying he was held at g*npoint? Are y'all okay, /gen seek help.

anyways its people like this that perpetuate the toxic masculinity that the friendship between loki & mobius was meant to battle, like they ran headfirst into the point and still missed it.

[where-theres-smoak-2]

My dude...You know he was talking about the scene where Loki was looking at everyone but mostly Mobius when Loki said, "It's about who" right? Like the last person he looks at is Mobius before saying that. Sylvie wasn't even a person he looked at for very long in that scene. Sometimes I think Sylki fans are really deluded or just pick the weirdest scene to focus on. And then in ACTUAL Sylki scenes in this season they just go: "Oh that was lame! Or that doesn't matter" What is up with you guys???

I'm assuming this is about my last sylki post about Isaac Bauman's interview. In which case, my dude, you should go re-read the interview because he is talking about the scene in 2x06 when Loki sacrifices himself and even then the quote is more about Loki's character arc as a whole. It had nothing to do with the 'it's about who' scene in ep 5.

But seeing as you brought that scene up lets talk about it, I've been meaning to make a post about that scene anyway. My first question though is, so what if he looked at Mobius last? I'll never understand why you are so fixated on that. If I gather my four siblings in a room and say "I love you guys" and then look at my youngest sibling last that doesn't mean I love my youngest sibling more or less than the others. Loki's comment was about all of them not about any one person more than anyone else. The pause after looking at mobius wasn't because he was lovingly lingering on him, it was because he was in the middle of a thought process, he also pauses and stares at OB for a long time before that when talking about controlling his time-slipping, I don't see anyone suggesting that means Loki is in love with OB and it was because of him that Loki learnt to control the time-slipping because he looked at OB last and for the longest. He looks at OB when he says he controlled the time-slipping and when he says its not about 'where when or why' because it was a continuation of the conversation they had earlier. The same with when he turns to look straight at Sylvie when he says 'I can rewrite the story', because it was a throwback to their conversation in the bar where she talked about them writing their own stories. Earlier in the episode Mobius and Loki were having alot of conversation round who. Who he was, mobius or don, who loki was, a friend, even who OB was, also a friend. But it is also made clear that don was trusting Loki and going with him for his boys, that was who he was doing it all for. Therefore when Loki looks at mobius whilst he is figuring out that its about who he is doing it for not why he is doing it, its because of that connection between don doing it for his sons acting as a reminder, not because Loki has romantic feelings for Mobius. So the basic progression of that scene is Loki looking at OB, remembering the talk about where, when and why and realising that's not the answer, then panning over the others and landing on Mobius/Don and remembering that Don was doing this for his boys which prompts Loki to realise he needs to focus on who he is doing it for not why he is doing it. Lastly he turns to Sylvie, recalls the conversation about writing your own story and realises that he can rewrite the story.

But what is funny about this is that question of who Loki is referring to when saying 'it's about who' has already been answered by the head writer, so here's your answer:

Fans have strong opinions when it comes to relationships on this show. When Loki realizes he can control his time slipping, he says it’s not about the what, why, and where; it’s about the “who.” Is there a specific “who” that triggers this power, or is he referencing everyone he cares about in that statement?

No, no, I think it’s A and B, right? I think it’s both or all of the above because this is Loki’s found family, right? And they dematerialize before his very eyes, and he’d already had that realization that this is why he’s been doing it. Because of them. He needed them, he wanted them, and then they don’t even get to go back to their lives. Everything falls apart. He’s lost everything, and then Sylvie is the last… she’s the capper on that. I think that’s meaningful. I think they have a deep connection, and that’s the final thing of like, “Oh, I lose her too?” Everything is gone. He’s lost it all. And I think it’s the totality of that that comes together, and it just gives him that power. He centers, and he can do the thing now.

So the 'about who' comment was about all of them but its also confirmed that it was the realisation that he was also losing Sylvie that was the final trigger that helped him control the time-slipping. Worth noting that Sylvie is the only one that Eric (the head writer) individually singles out, you'd think if Mobius was the most significant part of the 'about who' line the head writer would have mentioned him here, in this question about relationships, so make of that what you will I guess.

Moving on to your next grievance, I can't speak for all Sylkis but I personally never said that any of the sylki scenes were lame or that they didn't matter, I loved every scene we got between them, as I wrote in many of the sylki posts I've posted. If other sylki shippers are upset with their scenes then they are allowed to be, there is no rule in shipping that says you have to like every single scene between your ship. Also its a bit rich of you to say sylki shippers focus on the 'weirdest scenes' when loki and mobius shippers also hyper fixate on the smallest of details and try to make any vague comment any of the cast and crew say about l*kius. But to answer your question, what's up with us guys? Just regular shipping behaviour, ya know, analysing every word, action and look between our ship and gushing about how much we love them, making pretty gif sets and fanart, like every other shipper out there, at the end of the day it's what shippers do, so why are you mad that sylki shippers do it too?

As for Sylki shippers supposedly being delusional, well so far the writers and the executive producer have all confirmed that both season 1 and 2 was driven by the sylki romance, they confirmed that even if their relationship was messier in season 2 it was still a romance and it was still Loki's feelings for Sylvie that was driving his actions. Michael Waldron the head writer for season 1 even said that the sylki romance was the crux of his pitch for the series and talks about them falling in love with each other, Kevin Wright the EP said that Loki deeply loves Sylvie. I mean you've got every person with creative control over the show practically screaming that one, Loki and Sylvie are in love, and two, that their relationship is integral to the show.

Meanwhile you've got those same people saying that Loki and Mobius were written as friends and that it was never intended to be anything other than that, because that is the importance of their relationship, their friendship. Just like how Sylvie is his first real love, as Waldron put it, Mobius becomes his first real friend and it's just as important as the sylki relationship, because they both show how Loki opened up his heart to another person but in different ways. The difference is that with Mobius it was platonic and with Sylvie it's romantic.

Yet despite all of this being made very clear in both the show and by those creatively responsible for it, you think us Sylki shippers are the deluded ones? Sure Jan.

Look, to be clear, I don't have a problem with anyone shipping Loki and Mobius, if shipping them makes you happy then I am happy for you, I've always been a big supporter of doing what makes you happy. What I do have a problem with though are those few who tag inaccurately and who jump into sylkis inboxes or comments and call them deluded for shipping the canon ship of the show, amongst other insults. So enjoy your ship, I mean that sincerely, just keep it in your own tag and out of my inbox, please and thank you.