#anti lilith

[hikaaa-bi]

i find it funny how people praise the owl house for breaking the trend of redeeming the villain when the show instead took the laziest path with dealing with their villain. i mean, i get it. not all villains need to be redeemed and sometimes, it's just fine to kill them off or defeat them. no character is irredeemable, but sometimes the point is that people refuse to change.

but what they did with belos was just lazy. he didn't need to be redeemed, sure, but his ending was way too anti-climactic. he was such a complex character to just be labelled as Pure Evil™ and killed off at the end. he didn't need to be redeemed, but he at least deserved to be acknowledged as the three-dimensional complex character that he is. he wasn't just a disney-esque villain who did everything for power and had no depth to his personality. he was a symbol of religious trauma and how it affects people. he was a horrible person but also a sympathetic one, because i can only imagine how harmful growing up in the puritan era would have been.

like i said before, the show being cancelled is not an excuse. i was so excited to see all the religious and spiritual themes in belos's past, and all the theories that fans were coming up with. hell, some fans did a better job of representing belos than the show ever did. i just feel like it was a whole bag of lost potential. belos could have been one of the most insanely complex and well-written villains but the creators of the owl house wants to impress its fans, so they pull a "haha we're not like other shows because we can't sympathize with the villain!" newsflash: you don't need to redeem the villain in order to portray them as sympathetic. azula from avatar and simon from infinity train are good examples of sympathetic villains/antagonists who don't get redeemed.

it's even more ridiculous considering how rushed and badly written lilith's arc was, even though she cursed her sister, tried to kill a literal child, and almost got her sister turned to stone. you'd think if the show despises redemptions so much, they wouldn't give lilith a lazy and rushed redemption arc like that, only to render her useless for the rest of the show.

[averysherwood]

Do you think Lilith's redemption was non-existent? I do, and I wish we got one. Fans say it was because of the shortening, but I say no, since Lilith's redemption wasn't really focused on before the show was announced to be shortened. If they tried to focus on it a bit in the earlier episodes, and then it could have still focused on it later on in the season since there is still some time that could be devoted to it. They could have finished it if they prioritized what matters.

Her redemption was totally rushed and just felt undeserved, and shortening isn't the reason. She didn't only work for Belos, she literally made Eda disabled just because she wanted to win (it wasn't even her only chance to get to the coven, she could try again). The lack of attention from the parents is not an excuse.

I don't say that she's irredeemable, but we had to get more time with unforgiven Lilith. We had to see Eda feelings betrayed by her own sister. We had to see Lilith working on gaining trust again, on showing that she's truly trying to fix the harm that she caused, and not just went over to their side because she no longer has a choice.

[western-magical-girl-confessions]

“I really dislike Lillith from toh. A lot of people hate Catra for being "toxic", and then they say LILLITH is their fave. I haven't fully watched toh, so maybe I don't have the whole story, but she cursed her own sister?? And lied about it?? And let Eda suffer for years with a crippling magic disability??? She didn't say a WORD and let her mother nearly go crazy trying to find a cure for it while living her best life and getting power??? She was forgiven waaaaay to easily in my opinion.”

[technicallydelightfulpenguin]

I redesigned, rewrited and fixed Angel Dust to be a drug addicted mafia guy, not a shitty homossexual stereotyped guy who is dramatic af.

🧍‍♀️ I hate it here (CW-mentions of abuse & other forms of abuse)

That youtooz description for Angel Dust is absolutely vile. Literally poking fun at his abusive situation & I saw that a lot of comments saying "WeLL ThAts tHe PloT".

Yeah the plot was sexual abuse & here's a "quirky" box description reiterating Angel's very soul is owned by Valentino his abuser, has no agency or choice to "say no matter how many", how many what. How many times he's assaulted at work, how many times he wants to say no to sex scenes & just let's whatever happen to him, how many times Valentino sexually abuses him.

Also for the love of all above, its a really glaring issue how many MINORS in this fandom stan Valentino & find Angel Dust & extent his "relationship" with Valentino, again is a relationship of physical abuse, mental abuse & sexual abuse... alluring, fetishising it & all focus is on the abuser, Valentino.

Like this user (DO NOT IF YOU FIND THEM HARRASS THEM they're a minor & I censored them for good reason DO NOT!)

Like these tweets speak for themselves. They have a level of sympathy for Angel Dust, but its in a fetishistic way. "Oh no poor Angie how crule, but also Valentino...yippee". All focus is really on Valentino or brought back to him.

I don't blame this user in all extent. Yes what they're doing is vile but what does one expect when Angel Dust's trauma was storyboarded by Raphielle who has a rape ship between Angel and Valentino, a rape fetish aswell (irl its cnc in their work its not & that fetish got showcased on a show supposedly showing the trauma of a victim of sexual abuse). Vivienne is buddy-budy with him, gave her blessing for him specifically to storyboard Angel's abuse in the music sequence.

It was showcased as a fetish & people are starting to fetish it, that was the whole point.

And its continuing like in this youtooz figure. I'm sickened, I hate it here.

[b0tster]

tumblr as a whole has been more outright actively aggressive towards me being a vegan than all other social media platforms combined and it kinda fucking sucks

[that-guy-in-the-chiton]

Lilith comforting Cain a little while after he had killed Abel.

[hippityhoppityyourenowmyproperty]

I really dislike the fact they made Adam a sexist douchebag who demanded to have control over Lilith. It paints sexism as an innate, hereditary quality that men "can't help" but adapt.

If you really wanted to critizise christianity, focusing on how it teaches mysoginy to its followers could have been interesting. Children don't just come up with these concepts; they're taught by adults and society.

Viv could have written about how god taught Adam about hierachy and how he needed to be in charge because as a man, he was supposedly closer to god's true image than Lilith, a woman. How god had rigid ideas about who should be in charge because of his own arrogance, and how he tried to make women subservient to men because equality threatened his heavenly hierachies.

Of course he was against Adam and Eve eating the apple. It gave them the self- awareness and knowledge to question his ideas and reject him.

Hazbin could have been so interesting, but instead, Viv went with the "men are pigs, they're born like that and it's in their nature" route that only ends up affirming sexist believes.

[premiumbitch]

۶ৎ NIGHTSHADE & FIRE: LILITH’S ABSOLUTE FAVOURITE MANIFESTATION PACK˙⋆.˚

This is for the lovely person who requested this post (@eternityshifts) and for the people who want to manifest stuff about themselves or script this in their shifting script! this pack is a lilith themed pack!

⸜(｡˃ ᵕ ˂ )⸝♡ enjoy!

𝐍𝐨𝐜𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐧𝐚𝐥 𝐄𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐜��𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝑅����𝒷𝑒𝓁 𝐵𝑜𝓇𝓃 𝒪𝒻 𝒩𝒾𝑔𝒽𝓉 You are the whisper in the dark, the lure of forbidden knowledge. They fear you, yet they cannot resist you. A creature of midnight silk and untamed power, you move like prophecy itself—inevitable, intoxicating, eternal.

𝐁𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐑𝐨𝐬𝐞 𝐓𝐞𝐦𝐩𝐭𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝐵𝓁𝑜𝑜𝓂 𝑜𝒻 𝐷𝑒𝒻𝒾𝒶𝓃𝒸𝑒 Soft petals, sharp thorns. A beauty that cuts, a love that devours. They reach for you, knowing you will leave them marked. Your lips speak poetry laced with venom, and your touch is both salvation and sin.

𝐋𝐮𝐬𝐭𝐟𝐮𝐥 𝐌𝐨𝐨𝐧𝐥𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝐷𝒆𝓈𝒾𝓇𝑒 𝒯𝒽𝒶𝓉 𝐸𝓋𝑒𝓃 𝒢𝑜𝒹𝓈 𝐹𝑒𝒶𝓇 Silver light on bare skin, the gleam of temptation in your eyes. They fall to their knees, worshipping what they cannot tame. You are the goddess of unchained passion, the one they invoke in their deepest dreams but dare not speak of by day.

𝐒𝐞𝐝𝐮𝐜𝐭𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐃𝐚𝐫𝐤𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐬 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝒮𝒽𝒶𝒹𝑜𝓌 𝒯𝒽𝒶𝓉 𝐻𝑜𝓁𝒹𝓈 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝐻𝑒𝒶𝓇𝓉 Your presence lingers like a spell—unshakable, undeniable. They crave the mystery of you, the promise of something beyond the ordinary. You are the midnight fire that burns without ever being consumed.

𝐁𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐝𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐞 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝐿𝑒𝑔𝒶𝒸𝓎 𝒯𝒽𝒶𝓉 𝒩𝑒𝓋𝑒𝓇 𝐹𝒶𝒹𝑒𝓈 Once cast out, now revered. Your name is whispered in the echoes of history, in the trembling lips of those who wish they were you. Unyielding, sovereign, a queen crowned in her own defiance.

𝐒𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐧 𝐎𝐛𝐬𝐜𝐮𝐫𝐢𝐭𝐲 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝐶𝓊𝓇𝓈𝑒 𝒜𝓃𝒹 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝐵𝓁𝑒𝓈𝓈𝒾𝓃𝑔 A veil of secrecy, a whisper of untold confessions against bare skin. They can never truly know you, only catch glimpses of the mysteries you allow them to see. You are the darkness that soothes, the mystery that haunts.

𝐄𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐚𝐥 𝐃𝐞𝐟𝐢𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝒪𝓃𝑒 𝒲𝒽𝑜 𝑅𝑒𝒻𝓊𝓈𝑒𝒹 𝒯𝑜 𝐵𝑜𝓌 Unbroken, untamed, unforgettable. You are the fire that refused to be extinguished, the spirit that would not kneel. They write stories about you, but none can capture the depth of your rebellion.

𝐁𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐝𝐫𝐨𝐬𝐞 𝐄𝐥𝐞𝐠𝐲 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝒫𝑜𝒾𝓈𝑜𝓃 𝒟𝓇𝒾𝓅𝓅𝒾𝓃𝑔 𝐹𝓇𝑜𝓂 𝒫𝑒𝓉𝒶𝓁𝓈 Soft as a sigh, lethal as a blade. You bloom in the twilight, petals steeped in sin and stardust. They reach for you, thinking you are theirs to pluck—but you are the thorn, the wound they never forget.

𝐍𝐨𝐜𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐧𝐞 𝐌𝐲𝐬𝐭 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝒲𝒾𝓁𝒹 𝒮𝒽𝒶𝒹𝑜𝓌 𝐵𝑒𝓎𝑜𝓃𝒹 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝑀𝑜𝑜𝓃 A flicker in the darkness, a hush in the wind. You do not walk—you prowl, leaving echoes in your wake. They call for you in dreams, but you slip through their grasp, laughing into the abyss.

𝐕𝐞𝐢𝐥𝐞𝐝 𝐓𝐞𝐦𝐩𝐭𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝒱𝑒𝓃𝑜𝓂 𝐼𝓃 𝒜 𝒮𝓂𝒾𝓁𝑒 A glance that shatters innocence, a smirk that promises ruin. You are the whisper in the sinner’s ear, the serpent coiled in silk sheets. They call you dangerous—but only because they know they will not leave unscathed.

𝐄𝐧𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝐹𝒾𝓇𝑒 𝒯𝒽𝒶𝓉 𝐷𝑜𝑒𝓈 𝒩𝑜𝓉 𝐵𝑜𝓌 No sun nor moon can dim your glow. You are the dark radiance that defies light, the queen who needs no throne to rule. They try to silence you, but your voice is carved in the bones of history.

𝐖𝐢𝐜𝐤𝐞𝐝 𝐄𝐦𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐬 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝒮𝓂𝒾𝓁𝑒 𝐵𝑒𝒽𝒾𝓃𝒹 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝒯𝒽𝓇𝑜𝓃𝑒 Dripping in dominance, crowned in defiance. You do not demand power—it bends at your feet, whispering your name in reverence. Let them fear you; a kingdom built on ashes still burns just as bright.

𝐇𝐞𝐱𝐞𝐝 𝐊𝐢𝐬𝐬 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝐿𝑜𝓋𝑒𝓇 𝒯𝒽𝑒𝓎 𝐹𝑒𝒶𝓇 𝒯𝑜 𝐻𝑜𝓁𝒹 Your lips press against their soul, leaving an imprint they will never cleanse. A touch that lingers, a name they dare not whisper. You are the curse they gladly bear, the ruin they cannot resist.

𝐕𝐞𝐬𝐩𝐞𝐫 𝐒𝐞𝐝𝐮𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝒮𝑒𝓇𝑒𝓃𝒾𝓉𝓎 𝒪𝒻 𝒜 𝒟𝒶𝓃𝑔𝑒𝓇𝑜𝓊𝓈 𝒲𝑜𝓂𝒶𝓃 Soft laughter beneath the crescent moon, a knowing gaze that sets their world ablaze. You do not chase—you wait. And when they come, it is already too late.

𝐒𝐞𝐫𝐩𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐞 𝐆𝐫𝐚𝐜𝐞 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝐷𝒶𝓃𝒸𝑒 𝒪𝒻 𝒟𝑒𝓋𝑜𝓉𝒾𝑜𝓃 𝒜𝓃𝒹 𝒟𝒾𝓈𝒶𝓈𝓉𝑒𝓇 They watch as you move—fluid, hypnotic, divine. You slither through their hearts like a whispered oath, binding them to your will. And when you leave, they are never the same.

𝐈𝐧𝐟𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐚𝐥 𝐄𝐦𝐛𝐫𝐚𝐜𝐞 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝐹𝓁𝒶𝓂𝑒 𝒯𝒽𝒶𝓉 𝐵𝓊𝓇𝓃𝓈 𝒮𝓌𝑒𝑒𝓉𝓁𝓎 They lean in, drawn by the warmth of your fire, unaware that it will consume them whole. You are destruction wrapped in silk, a promise whispered in smoke.

𝐄𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐥 𝐄𝐧𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝐹𝒶𝓉𝒶𝓁 𝐹𝓁𝑜𝓌𝑒𝓇 Your beauty does not beg for admiration—it commands it. Like a rare bloom under the moon, they are drawn to you with reverence, knowing they may bleed on your thorns.

𝐃𝐢𝐯𝐢𝐧𝐞 𝐑𝐮𝐢𝐧 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝒢𝒾𝓇𝓁 𝒲𝒽𝑜 𝐿𝑜𝑜𝓀𝓈 𝐿𝒾𝓀𝑒 𝒜 𝒮𝑒𝒸𝓇𝑒𝓉 𝐺𝑜𝒹 𝒲𝒽𝒾𝓈𝓅𝑒𝓇𝑒𝒹 Your features are a celestial contradiction—soft, yet sharp enough to wound. A face carved by deities, a presence that makes men stammer and women take notes.

𝐂𝐚𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐝𝐫𝐚𝐥 𝐆𝐨𝐝𝐝𝐞𝐬𝐬 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝒫𝑒𝓇𝒻𝑒𝒸𝓉𝒾𝑜𝓃 𝒯𝒽𝑒𝓎 𝐹𝑒𝒶𝓇𝑒𝒹 𝐼𝓃 𝐿𝑒𝑔𝑒𝓃𝒹𝓈 They look at you as if you stepped out of an ancient prophecy—eyes that hold galaxies, a presence that turns sinners into worshippers. You are the dream they dare not wake from.

𝐌𝐨𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐨𝐟𝐭 𝐕𝐞𝐧𝐨𝐦 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝐵𝑒𝒶𝓊𝓉𝓎 𝒯𝒽𝒶𝓉 𝐹𝓁𝑜𝓌𝓈 𝐿𝒾𝓀𝑒 𝒲𝒶𝓉𝑒𝓇, 𝐵𝓊𝓉 𝐶𝓊𝓉𝓈 𝐿𝒾𝓀𝑒 𝒢𝓁𝒶𝓈𝓈 Your beauty is a slow-burning poison—subtle, intoxicating. They want to drink it in, only to realize too late that nothing will ever taste the same again.

𝐍𝐨𝐜𝐭𝐮𝐫𝐧𝐚𝐥 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝒮𝓉𝒶𝓇 𝒯𝒽𝑒𝓎 𝐵𝑜𝓌 𝒯𝑜 𝐼𝓃 𝒟𝒶𝓇𝓀𝓃𝑒𝓈𝓈 You do not enter rooms—you consume them. Conversations hush, glances linger. They feel you before they see you, and by the time they understand your presence, it’s already wrapped around their throats.

𝐃𝐚𝐫𝐤 𝐎𝐩𝐚𝐥 𝐒𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐧𝐢𝐭𝐲 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝒮𝒽𝒶𝒹𝑜𝓌 𝒯𝒽𝒶𝓉 𝒮𝒽𝒾𝓃𝑒𝓈 You move like a quiet storm—graceful, deadly, inevitable. People don’t realize they’re orbiting you until they are already too close to escape.

𝐒𝐞𝐩𝐡𝐢𝐫𝐨𝐭𝐢𝐜 𝐖𝐢𝐥𝐝𝐟𝐢𝐫𝐞 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝒜𝓊𝓇𝒶 𝒯𝒽𝒶𝓉 𝒮𝒸𝒶𝓇𝓈 𝒜𝓃𝒹 𝐵𝓁𝑒𝓈𝓈𝑒𝓈 You do not merely exist—you leave marks. The kind of energy that makes skin prickle, that turns the air electric. You do not seek attention; it is drawn to you, helpless and mesmerized.

𝐂𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐥𝐥𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐌𝐢𝐧𝐝 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝒲𝑜𝓂𝒶𝓃 𝒲𝒽𝑜 𝒦𝓃𝑜𝓌𝓈 𝒯𝑜𝑜 𝑀𝓊𝒸𝒽 Your intelligence does not rest in books alone—it drips from your tongue like honey-laced arsenic. Every word is deliberate, every silence calculated. They can try to keep up, but you are already miles ahead.

𝐀𝐥𝐜𝐡𝐞𝐦𝐢𝐬𝐭 𝐃𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐦𝐬 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝒜𝓇𝒸𝒽𝒾𝓉𝑒𝒸𝓉 𝒪𝒻 𝒴𝑜𝓊𝓇 𝒪𝓌𝓃 𝐷𝑒𝓈𝓉𝒾𝓃𝓎 They think intelligence is about answers. You know it’s about questions—the right ones, the dangerous ones. The ones that make them rethink everything they thought they knew.

𝐋𝐮𝐜𝐢𝐝 𝐄𝐱𝐢𝐥𝐞 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝒲𝑜𝓂𝒶𝓃 𝒲𝒽𝑜 𝒮𝓉𝑒𝓅𝓅𝑒𝒹 𝒪𝓊𝓉 𝒪𝒻 𝐻𝒾𝓈𝓉��𝓇𝓎 𝒜𝓃𝒹 𝒲𝓇𝑜𝓉𝑒 𝐻𝑒𝓇 𝒪𝓌𝓃 They expect a girl with charm. You give them a mind sharp enough to dissect illusions, a will strong enough to rewrite fate. They don’t know whether to worship or fear you.

𝐎𝐦𝐧𝐢𝐬𝐜𝐢𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐑𝐞𝐛𝐞𝐥 ✧ 𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝒪𝓃𝑒 𝒲𝒽𝑜 𝒯𝓊𝓇𝓃𝑒𝒹 𝐾𝓃𝑜𝓌𝓁𝑒𝒹𝑔𝑒 𝐼𝓃𝓉𝑜 𝒜𝓇𝓂𝑜𝓇 You do not flaunt your intelligence—you wield it. You listen more than you speak, calculate more than you react. When you finally reveal your mind, it is already too late for them.

✗⚬ﾒ𝟶

[princess-charlie-of-hell]

"Charlastor shippers are the worst, they make Charlie cheat on her gf with Alastor and make Vaggie be abusive towards Charlie so they are misogynistic and lesbophobic, R@dioapple is are not toxic like them"

Please i saw thousands of R@dioapple fics where Lucifer cheats on Lilith with Alastor and they are made look like the good guys while Lilith is written as the bad guy for being upset . Fics where they completely erase Lilith existence as Charlie's mother and make Alastor Charlie's biological father despite her being older than him

I saw thousands of fics from R@dioapple where Charlie is reduced to nothing more than a plot device so that Alastor and Lucifer are forced to get along(even there the only reason it works out is Charlie) . Or fics where they make her a literally child so that Alastor can get to be her "perfect step-father". Humans R@dioapple aus where most female characters like Charlie, Vaggie, Velvette and Emily are children too while everyone else is an adult.

Saw fics where they turn either Alastor or Lucifer in "Uwu babies" who need the other one to protect them from whoever the bad guy is. Feminized them so much that the only thing connecting them to their Canon counter part is the name.

R@dioapple shippers, which steal Radiobelle art or Fan children, keep invading Lucilith/Charlastor/Radiostatic art to write how much better their ship is or use the fact that RA got "merch" (pullover where they are fighting🙄)and use that to claim that is going to be canon to hate on people who don't ship it

So don't tell me that Charlastor shippers are the worst, most toxic and misogynistic shippers in the fandom, when they exist! Like there are many nice and great people who ship R@dioapple but for me most of this fandom I see consists of toxic fujoshis

[diabolicphallus666]

May we forever thrive victorious in the essence of our Lord Satan and Queen Lilith!

Curse the foul scum of abraham, as the cut throat of yahweh spills upon the piled corpses of the cursed lightworkers and defiled followers of nazareths lies!

Agios O Satanas!

Agios O Lilith!

Forever we triumph as their Infernal Warriors!

[showtoonzfan]

Bro we finally got to see Lilith’s card and we don’t even get to see her face come ONNN.

Viv you already spoiled so much regarding the show, might as well show off Lilith, like…why is she keeping her in the shadows so much? Also I would say it’s too early but I think this card is borderline proof that she’s a villain, they’re making it so obvious lol like there is no reason why we’re going THIS long without seeing or knowing anything about her while Lucifer gets all the attention and is going to be painted in a more sympathetic light.

It legit pisses me off cause in the pilot they indicate Charlie actually had a close relationship with her mom considering she was the one who got called by her daughter for advice, but from what we’ve seen Charlie’s going to be interacting with her dad in the show a lot while Lilith will probably get no more than a brief mention or a cameo. Viv is keeping her in the shadows for a reason, she’s 100% a villain and ngl I’m starting to believe the “Lilith separated with Lucifer because he wasn’t evil anymore”- allegation.

And again, I wouldn’t have a problem with Lilith being a villain had we not known that Viv is aiming for Lucifer to be “not that bad he’s just uwu goofy” and sympathetic. It’s once again biased/favoritism writing and I really don’t want another Stolas and Stella situation. Obviously this is mostly speculation and guesses, I’ll wait and see till the show comes out but I am 100% expecting more misogynistic and biased writing.

[hikaaa-bi]

can we talk about how useless lilith is to the plot? she's introduced as this really mysterious antagonist with a complicated relationship with one of our heroes. but then, she's shown to be incompetent, impatient and immature in a bunch of episodes where she tries to capture eda. she's portrayed almost as pathetic as kikimora sometimes.

but then she captures luz and we find out the truth about her. how she cursed her sister in order to get into the emperor's coven and how she's trying to fix her mistake by doing the wrong thing. okay, now her character is getting more interesting. maybe we can see how hard she has to work to right her wrongs and get forgiven and— nope. we're just gonna have her share eda's curse and now everyone loves her. she's forgiven instantaneously.

and after that? she's mostly just… there. either as a comic relief or as emotional support for the other characters. “she went back in time and punched belos!” anyone could have done that. there were multiple other characters in the show who knew a lot about the boiling isles and could have helped luz with time traveling. there were multiple other characters in the show who wouldn't have hesitated to deck philip in the face. lilith could have easily been replaced by any other character in the show.

besides, the punch didn't do much other than give belos a bump on his nose bridge and more of a reason to hate witches. it wasn't his driving force, he would have hated witches even if lilith hadn't punched him. he was already knee-deep in villainy at that point.

i just feel like lilith's character had a lot more potential. i feel like toh has a trend of turning all its redeemed characters into the same old "awkward loveable nerd" archetype. and it strips them of their entire personality. oh, amity was this stuck-up bully who was suffering from her mother's abuse? she got a haircut and she's just luz's cute awkward girlfriend now. personality? we don't know her. hunter was a trained soldier who spent years under the influence of his abusive uncle and recently found out that he was a clone made solely to replace his uncle's long-dead brother, and now has to deal with that life-shattering realization? nah, he's just willow's pathetic wet cat male wife now.

i just— i don't know, man. all these characters had potential. especially hunter. he was the most popular character in the show for a reason and it's not only because some viewers found him hot. it's because people could relate to him and also because his snarky and petty personality was a fun addition to the show. by the end of the series, none of these characters are themselves.

i love romantic subplots in shows but if a character has to change entirely in order to fit in a romantic narrative, maybe you're not doing it right. maybe those characters just don't belong together.

[lambmotifz]

thinking about how the original plan (had the writers strike not taken place) was for sam to use his powers and save dean from his deal & castiel wasn’t even supposed to be in the show because eric kripke did not intend to include angels…

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

hunter and luz: talk about belos and the magic system, open up to each other about their trauma and fears, rescue each other from dire circumstances

hunter and amity: relate to each other as abused children and perfectionists who are afraid of letting people down

hunter and gus: relate to each other’s experiences of being used by people and helps calm each other down in a moment of distress, also finds a common middle ground with a piece of media they both enjoy

hunter and willow, the literal love interests: uhhh both of them are considered half a witch because one of them was a late bloomer and the other is literally disabled?

[felicjana050896]

A few words about Charlastor

Today I saw this post:

(Sorry, I can't post the link, Twitter doesn't want to work on my computer today :\ )

I will quote it here because it made me think again:

Currently, the closest person to Charlie is Vaggie, while Alastor invades her space, Vaggie and Alastor are opposed to each other, Vaggie wants to run a hotel for Charlie (her whole life is based on Charlie...), while Alastor has his own reasons (more on which later we don't fully know) and the two are portrayed as opposing forces pulling Charlie, Vaggie in one direction and Alastor in the other. Charlie's relationship with Alastor will deepen in future seasons (which the author wrote about, that Alastor and Charlie are the main characters of HH and what we see after the pilot), thus distancing it from Vaggie, which we see already in the first season (and what I wrote posts about ), that Charlie's relationship with Vaggie will surely deteriorate as it goes on, their quarrel over Vaggie's lie was, in my opinion, just the first glitch in their relationship (although not very well written in my opinion anyway), at some point in the story Charlie will had to choose between Vaggie and Alastor (and Niffty):

And considering the other screenshots, they are either forshadowings only to the fact that in future seasons Charlie will be getting closer to Alastor and away from Vaggie, or they may generally herald Alastor's victory over Vaggie, it depends, they are definitely confirmation that the further the seasons, the more Charlostor's content we will have than Chaggie's, the only question is which one will be the endgame?

Alastor stealing Charlie:

Significant bed scene, Vaggie wakes up without Charlie, alone, and Charlie is later in bed with Alastor on a heart-shaped pillow:

Besides, I read about Zoophobia and old sketches of Alastor and Autumn, and in my opinion Autumn reminds me a bit of Charlie... but in order.... First, let's go to Roo or Eve (if you prefer), well, I saw one Tik Tok and I definitely agree with it:

Charlie actually resembles Eve much more than Lilith, it always surprised me that Charlie has more father-like features both in appearance and character, and has none of Lilith's (especially when it comes to her ahem... physical qualities...), but I thought they just made her a typical "daddy's girl" and that's it... but if Eve is Charlie's mother and not Lilith..., we still had Lucifer's comment that he stole from Adam both wives, both Lilith and Eve, and although he married Lilith, he probably slept with Eve..., then the only question arises: why did Lilith decide to raise a child that was not her own?

Roo (Eve):

Charlie:

Lilith:

Lucifer:

Charlie and Eve (Roo) have exactly the same nose, the same lines under their eyes (Charlie in his demonic form has them) and the body sharp is the same, Lucifer by the way does not have a nose (:D), Lilith has a completely different nose, only Eve's nose matches Charlie's....

Moving on, we know that Alastor made a deal with someone, many people speculate that he made it with Lilith, but there are also people who believe that with Roo and I, although I also considered Lilith at the beginning, it was thrown in our faces this 7-year break (that Lilith has not been in Hell for 7 years and Alastor disappeared for 7 years), seems too obvious..., moreover, we know that Lilith had a contract with Adam (end of episode 8), and Adam did not know Alastor, so how could Alastor have an agreement with Lilith and be with her for these 7 years in heaven, if Adam didn't know him at all..., while Roo..., and this is where the issue of Zoophobia begins, i.e. Viv's first idea, where most of the HH characters came from:

In Zoophobia we had the so-called KayCee, i.e. chaos itself and the main antagonist, interestingly KayCee liked apples (a reference to Eve and her picking an apple from the Garden of Eden, the first sin?):

KayCee had white hair, horns, and the original Alastor was in love with her:

So KayCee is nothing other than the prototype of Eve.

Moving on, the original Alastor was also obsessed with Autumn, the character of Zoophobia, a blonde deer:

Autumn is a very helpful and good-hearted character and: ,,Although outwardly he appears mature and rational, in reality he is extremely insecure, suffering from low self-esteem. Autumn continues to seek recognition and thanks from others for a little help from him, showing that he needs the appreciation of others. Autumn is also very sensitive and short-tempered: in the webcomic, when Rusty teases him about the little antlers, Autumn explodes in anger and violently scolds him."

Doesn't this in some way resemble the description of Charlie..., a girl with a good heart, wanting to help everyone, and also sometimes quick-tempered (when, for example, heaven rejects her or when Susan pisses her off :D )

So we have Eve, who used to be KayCee, and Charlie, who has a lot of Autumn in her, and if it turns out that Charlie is actually Eve's daughter, Charlie will be a combination of KayCee and Autumn, considering her appearance and character traits are taken from both, two characters that the original Alastor was crazy about ;)

And finally, some shots of Charlie and Alastor:

And remember about Niffty and KeeKee, they are very important, after all they are in the HH logo :)

KeeKee, a pet belonging to Charlie and Niffty, Alastor's ,,pet" ;)

Sorry for the long post again, but I just can't keep it short :D

Thank you for reading and have a nice day, evening or night :)

[that-guy-in-the-chiton]

New Pandemonium au: Lilith.

Basically Adam’s twin.

The Almighty tried to play matchmaker with her and Adam but it didn’t work out. Though both felt (sibling-like) affection for each other and cared for one another, they were ultimately too similar in temperament and often quarrelled. Also the attraction just wasn’t there, so they went their separate ways.

After her expulsion from the garden, she lived near the Red Sea and had many children with spirits called the Lilitu. Adam and Eve occasionally visit her.

is cordial toward Lucifer, but otherwise doesn’t want much to do with him or his kingdom and views him as an arrogant fool.

Has a special place in her heart for birds; particularly owls.