#anti danzou

[fandom-susceptible]

So my compressed timeline warring states era au right, it's now omegaverse because fuck it the audience is already tiny and this makes me happy

Tobirama's death in canon still Almost-Happens but Jiraiya and Orochimaru go rescue their oma with Tsunade's help.

The shock of thinking he lost all three of them, though, triggers the development of Kagami's mangekyou sharingan

. . . And their baby brother Shisui's

They try not to tell anyone, but Danzou finds out at some point and the whole shitty plot to destroy the Uchiha clan still gets hatched. He still gets Itachi to kill his friend, but since Kagami and Tobirama are Shisui's parents in this AU, he doesn't get any further

Kagami and Madara find out the truth and Tobirama is 100% down with Madara's plan for the first and only time in their lives, and Danzou gets set on fire despite Hashirama's reservations

Shortly thereafter, the White Fang of Konoha dies, and his son is left without a parent. I know this doesn't work with canon, again, this is a severely compressed timeline au; Kakashi and Shisui are around the same age here.

Kakashi's mom was a Senju, and Tobirama and Kagami are struggling with having only two children left, both of whom are adults and rarely home, and so they take him in

Jiraiya is an alpha in this AU, mind, Orochimaru being an omega, Tsunade a beta

I am terribly torn on Kakashi tbh, his vibes are so good with both alpha and omega . . . Though I do ship him most with Iruka and Iruka for me has strong omega vibes . . .

[sad-stucky-shipper-107]

HOT TAKE:

Barring his shitty treatment of the Naruto situation (Which was terrible, horrible abhorrent) and leaving Sasuke alone in the Uchiha compound. I think Hiruzen was one of the most moral and okay Hokage. His real problem was his inability to see what a dangerous and amoral piece of shit Danzo was.

I mean, he wanted to Talk it out with the Uchiha, Danzo overrode his orders, he kept the barriers open for Itachi to visit Sasuke whenever he'd be worried.

He realised it was time to step down as hokage and DID step down when he had to.

And he didn't want the Hokage hat after Minato died, he assumed it because it was the most suitable decision.

He also saw Tenzo in a shitty situation in ANBU NE (Root/Foundation) and got him out as soon as it was brought to his attention.

He doesn't look down on people, of any background and he wanted to stop Orochimaru's experiments even though they would have immensely benefitted the Leaf had they succeeded.

[adhdnojutsu]

Danzo would.

ref used

[not-so-terrible]

Konoha: Wow, it’s so great our double agent within the Uchiha Clan has the selfless Will of Fire, completely cancelling out the possibility for trauma, repressed emotion and deep love to trigger the Curse of Hatred and cause them to sacrifice the many for the few they care about. We can relax and leave it all to him :)

Itachi, trapped on a burning clifftop, wrapping Sasuke in duct tape in preparation to throw him over the edge: ~ I will kill our friends and family to remind ☽  you ☺ of ♬ my ☮ love ☠ ~

[kei-maki]

Meet my “people I would personally saw the limbs off of, remove internal organs one by one, skin, and finally burn alive (even if I know they wouldn’t survive it)” trio

[whomerlockwood]

"All these Barbie posts will give you brain rot. Go to watch Oppenheimer. Christopher Nolan stood up against the executives in order to be able to make it. That's a film worth watching. The only thing I don't like is the anti-war propaganda."

Hmm, have you considered watching Barbie, Danzou-dono? I believe you and Ken share some similarities, what with standing in someone else's shadow all your life and all.

[sealer-of-wenkamui]

Okay so I’ve been thinking about a situation in which Danzou is badly damaged in such a way that the only one with the expertise necessary to repair her is Limbo (obviously this assumes Kashin Koji hasn’t been summoned yet). So the only way she can be fixed is by allowing him to mess with her body again, which obviously is the last thing she’d ever want to do.

And he makes sure to make her as uncomfortable as possible and make her suffer for his own amusement, even if he is being monitored by others while repairing her (and maybe he would try and get away with a curse or something, but definitely at least openly mocking her and being creepy in the way he touches her body while opening her up, and maybe talking about all the things he did to her in Shimousa etc. Her and Kotarou very badly want to slit his throat the whole time but without him she’ll remain broken)

And yeah there are people like da Vinci around but I do think Limbo has specialized knowledge that even Chaldea doesn’t necessarily have (he could bypass their anti rayshift interference with ease for one) and he also shows a particular interest in mechanical dolls and is weirdly skilled with machinery (has a line if you have a lot of mechanical servants, could make shikigami bugs capable of quickly killing a machine god, could repair Danzou in the first place despite her falling into disrepair without kashin or first fuuma around, could track down and implant a virus for restoring (servant) Danzou’s memory after only meeting her in Shimousa, could replicate the curse of annihilation in machinery, etc.)

[evilkitten3]

#im anti snow leopard summon for tbrm myself#he IS his own summon#both FTG and edo tensei are summoning techniques#so katsuyu is better but still not one id give him#katsuyu works like hashirama cells with her healing and body regeneration#so the one tsunade would inherit her from is hashirama#tobirama is not a medic or a healer#hc katsuyu is a honor senju anyway#she's the same age as the founders#naruto

if you want to get technical, they both DO have canon summons (edo tensei for tobirama, the rashoumon gates for hashirama) but neither one is really an animal, so i guess they don't count lol

for me, i definitely get the idea of hashirama having been katsuyu's previous summoner- it fits with his own healing, and realistically it's probably what was intended to be canon (bc surely someone got sage mode in shikkotsu forest, right?????), but i sorta like the idea that like. hashirama is just a fucking freak of nature lmao. i read one fic where all the summons regard him as some kind of abomination and i loved it so much i adopted it lol

anyway, i mentioned this in a different reblog, but my backup summon for tobirama would be the baku that danzou used! thoughts?

ngl i don't understand at all why the fandom decided tobirama should have a snow leopard summon. it would be way more interesting imo if he was the one tsunade had inherited the slug contract from

[sueske]

‘we need to kill the uchiha clan because a coup would cause instability in the village and this would lead to other villages attacking us’ right right right ok and loosing a powerhouse clan that’s known as one of the strongest in the entire world wouldn’t cause other nations from taking advantage of your drop in power and invading? what kind of logic is that

[hellbubu]

Anyways fuck Danzo

He was taken advantage of, once again

Okay but Sasuke literally didn't give a shit about the Akatsuki and so many ppl act like he was oh so loyal and oh so evil

You're just trying to get Sasuke to do what you want.

Of course. Sasuke lost the curse mark and that gave him more strength among other things.

And this bitch called Orochimaru gross.

Tobi is just using Sasuke. Oh, who could've expect that? /s

Bitches will see Sasuke in a vulnerable state of mind and will take advantage of him.

Naruto should've just started ranting about something stupid about Sasuke like the time he did something better than him or something stupid they did on a mission.

Baby, Sasuke keep being used. Ppl lit just see him at his worst and go "what if I were to make it worse?"

If I were Naruto I'd be pissed Kakashi knew who my parent was and didn't tell me.

[justsomeoneunordinary]

Under the cut

I made this post mostly to show where I stand because people were still discussing with me a post that went around quite a bit but on which I have at this point already reached a conclusion, and I was really getting tired to stay polite in discussions I disagreed with. So this post is mostly a ��this is where I stand” statement so that people who disagree stop pressing the discussion any further. Which is why I considered not answering this reblog, since I mostly agree anyway—but I couldn’t leave the comment about Hiruzen and Tobirama alone.

Their situations are not the same because Hiruzen is narratively told in a different way than what his actions speak. Narratively, he’s a good guy who’s unfortunately too soft which led to Orochimaru and Danzou getting away with far too much. The problem is though, that he’s literally shown to promise Minato and Kushina to take care of Naruto, only to then let the boy be bullied, let him live alone at the age of five, and only come over once a month to give him money—and yet the narrative tells us that he’s the good guy here, as if that’s not the most fucked up thing to do.

He also just goes “aw, it shouldn’t have gone like that” after the Uchiha massacre, which the narrative tries to sell us as the best solution. As if it’s just unlucky that a whole clan was eradicated overnight. As if Hiruzen couldn’t’ve taken action lol. The “he has his flaws but in the end, he’s a good guy” narrative doesn’t reflect his actions. Or non-actions rather.

Similarly Jiraiya who’s told us to be a great influence for Naruto, only to later reveal that he’s Naruto’s godfather… which then makes him not so great anymore, considering he left the boy on his own instead of stepping up to the role he was given.

I personally don’t care about either of them enough to hate them as much as the fandom does, because hatred requires a certain amount of passion which I really don’t have for these two. But the problem remains. Kishimoto just wanted to give Naruto—and Sasuke—a tragic background, so he didn’t think of what that would mean for the people who were in positions to change that. Which is why there’s this dichotomy between Hiruzen’s narrative and his actions.

With Tobirama, on the other hand, his actions are narratively pointed out to be bad. Hashirama calls him out when he’s behaving unfairly and we, the audience, understand that he’s coming from a very prejudiced side. (With the exception of some Tobirama stans/Uchiha antis.) The narrative doesn’t try to tell us the things he says are good, we’re clearly shown that this is fucked up, but we’re also shown some of his good sides. And that’s where his situation very much differs from Hiruzen’s.

But yeah, otherwise I fully agree with your addition. It’s just this part I really had to correct.

Since I already poked into the hornet’s nest a few times, I might as well get this out once and for all and be done with it: In my opinion, character antis and character stans are both two sides of the same coin. Both go into the extreme and more importantly, both lack nuance.

(I came from the MCU Tony Stark fandom into the Founders Tobirama fandom and it’s crazy how much they parallel each other. All fandoms have some similarities, but in this case, the antis, the stans, the tropes, the mischaracterization are so much the same, it’s freaking mind-blowing.)

The thing about the founders characters is that they’re just a footnote in the whole Naruto story—we don’t know enough and that means we have to interpret a lot of things. And naturally, interpretations vary. If you look at Tobirama and decide that he’s some bigot, then you can do that. (I’m not going into the whole racist debate about him, I have already stated my thoughts on that.) To me, though, this is such an incredibly boring interpretation. The fascinating part about the founders is that none of them are morally good characters due to the times they grew up in. Some might be darker grey than others but, in the end, they all have good sides and bad sides and that’s what makes them interesting to me. That’s what makes them 3-dimensional characters, rather than flat ones.

It’s absolutely wild to me that you would want to imagine any character as bigot at all, instead of trying to put yourself into the character’s shoes and try to see where they might come from. We don’t see any of his thoughts ever, we only have his words and what we do with them is up to us. Maybe he did put the Uchiha all in the police to close them off from the rest of the village in hopes it’ll be their demise, but isn’t that a bit boring? Isn’t that also a bit of a wild theory, considering there’s no assurance the Uchiha will perish once he’s gone? If anything, he would want to get rid of them while he’s still around and holds a leadership position. He says he did it to integrate them more into the village and give them a good purpose, and isn’t that more interesting? If he really, genuinely thought that and failed so massively? Doesn’t that make him a way more interesting character, a character with his own weaknesses? Sure, you can imagine the former but I fail to see how that’s more interesting than the latter. In the end, we don’t know what’s true anyway, we don’t know what’s going on in his head, we don’t know how he went from “grown-ups are stupid and just need to make a truce” to being so ready to kill the Uchiha and not believing in peace at first, so we might as well go with the 3-dimensional interpretation, no?

Similarly, people who put him on a pedestal, who believe he has done no wrong, who see him as the good dutiful brother, while Hashirama, in contrast, is in the wrong—how do you take a character who’s so multifaced, who shows intelligence and leader capabilities, who went from not believing in peace to wanting to protect it at any cost, but who’s also way too prejudiced of the Uchiha to the point he threatens a teen before he even knows what’s up, and make him flat? Tobirama is no saint. A man who can create the Edo Tensei and use it often enough that every other Kage immediately recognize it is not a morally correct person. I will not get into the debate if the Edo Tensei is morally bad or not, since killing people is equally fucked up and the point is thus moot because no shinobi is a saint. But the way he talks about the Uchiha is fucked up. Personally, I think it’s hilarious how he calls Sasuke a little shit and how he loses his temper. From an audience view, I love it. But from a character analysis view, it’s wrong. That’s a whole grown-ass man who was Hokage and before that the Hokage’s right-hand man and he wants to attack an Uchiha teen just like that before he even has all information.

If you think he could somehow have been a better Hokage than Hashirama, then you can do that but I fail to see how. I don’t think he’s some bigoted asshole with no good qualities, but he’s not faultless either. We don’t know what is going on in his mind at any time but we see he has good qualities and bad qualities alike, and you can just latch onto one of these qualities and pretend the other don’t exist but in my opinion, that’s how you create a flat character.

(On a different note: I know so many people are mad about the “curse of hatred” thing and I get it but it’s so weird to me that they hate Tobirama for this instead of Kishimoto. This isn’t presented to us as an opinion but as a fact. Kishi came up with all kinds of new things when it comes to the Uchiha and the curse of hatred just was his newest nonsense. Hate the message; not the messenger.)

And while I’m already on the topic of wanting to interpret characters as bigots: Izuna doesn’t have a character. Izuna isn’t even a character; he’s a plot device. People can imagine him however the fuck they want and there’s zero right or wrong. However, I fail to see why people would want to imagine him as a bigot. They heard him saying not to trust the Senju when Hashirama asked for peace and decided clearly, he must be a warmonger, a spoiled little bitch, an idiot etc. Absolutely wild to me. You literally have free reign, you could try to put yourself into his shoes and try to see why he thinks so, why he’s so mistrusting, how it must look from his point of view, and instead you decide to portray him in the worst way possible. I mean, you can do that and no one can tell you you’re wrong, but wow, this could never be me. Sorry, I prefer to imagine characters in a more multi-faceted way than have such a flat view of them.

Now, Hashirama is far more established as a character than Tobirama is but he is, like the other founders, still just a side character with so many unknown variables and a whole lot of freedom for interpretation. But, I think if you somehow think of him as a master manipulator, as someone who’s a bad leader, as an idiot… you can think that. There isn’t enough canon material to disprove that completely. However, if you think that, I think you missed some crucial parts about him. You missed his strive for peace since he was a child, you missed that the Uchiha willingly deserted over to the Senju when Hashirama was clan head and that the Senju were ready to make peace with the Uchiha under his rule, you missed that Hashirama was voted Hokage by a majority. None of this would make sense if he were a dumb, bad leader, now, would it?

Usually, Hashirama depicted as an idiot also goes hand-in-hand with the Tobirama stans who see him as a bad brother. I already talked about this, so I won’t go into detail, but Hashirama rightfully calling Tobirama out when he’s being a prejudiced shit toward the Uchiha doesn’t make him a bad brother. His threatening Tobirama when Tobirama is about to kill Madara doesn’t make him a bad brother either. It is wrong. He’s overly emotional over this and he’s being unfair in that moment but that alone doesn’t make him a bad brother, it just makes him a well-written character who has his own faults. Sometimes he’s too emotional, sometimes he’s too idealistic, and if you see that and decide it means he’s a shit brother and also an idiot, then you can interpret it that way but I couldn’t disagree with you more if I tried.

To me, he’s a good man, a charismatic man who’s trustworthy, who always strives for peace and the best in general, but also a product of his times, a son of his father, a man who goes his path straight ahead and doesn’t look left and right which then leads to fucked up situations such as almost killing himself in front of Tobirama, or also killing Madara in the end instead of trying to find a different way. It makes him interesting.

At the end of the day, my opinion is always, if you have to push other characters down (Hashirama as an idiot; Izuna as a bigot; Madara as a madman), so you can pull up your fave (Tobirama as the only right one, the better leader, the better brother), then the problem is you. It just shows me that you don’t know how to prop your fave on his own and who he simply is when you can’t do it without making others look bad. Sorry not sorry.

(This really happens in so many fandoms—you have a character who’s shown as the good one but then you get to see his bad sides and people latch so much onto that that they then portray him as the devil incarnate. Vice versa, you’re given an asshole character who’s shown to have his good sides and fandom somehow manages to twist it so much that suddenly this character is the real saint. It’s maddening.)

Lastly, Madara is just like the other characters a complicated character with his good and bad sides. I think it’s crazy how some people only see a madman and a terrorist in him, and how others find he was right with everything. Again, you can interpret is such, but… no. He’s a deeply traumatized and grieving man, who believes in peace and wished it badly but saw that it would never be achieved because humans will always fight each other no matter what, and then makes a decision that is nuts. The Infinite Tsukuyomi is utter bullshit even without Zetsu and Kaguya, but he is right in pointing out that there will be no real peace. The problem is just that there’s no perfect answer for that—the answer is democracy, therapy and transparency of the higher-ups, which is a boring solution for the world Kishimoto created because in a world where cool fights go brrrr and friendship is magic a political answer like that is not going to cut it. Which is why he had to come up with a bigger threat and make Madara look insane, even though the points he made were right, only his methods wrong.

My general opinion is, when you have characters that are so little established, that leave so much room for interpretation, I don’t see why anyone would want to interpret them in such a flat manner. I like my characters 3-dimensional, I like to take the good and the bad in stride, and you can do you, that’s fair enough. But if you come to me to put Tobirama in the good light and Hashirama in the bad one, or in converse, to tell me what a bigot Tobirama is, then you’re at the wrong address here, and that’s on that.

[sad-stucky-shipper-107]

Hiruzen (Sandaime) and Danzo definitely had some old man yaoi shit going on. I said what I said.

And they set back the LGBTQ agenda 1000+ years because of it

[adhdnojutsu]

Ew.jpg because ew.

Or "What in the SP filler-"

Or "Dango from Danzo, with love"

Or "How to groom a little bootlicker, step 1"

Or "I'm an unapologetically horrible person"

[fandom-rants]

Anti Itachi Children: Itachi is a deranged, genocidal psycho because of what he did to his clan.

Also Anti Itachi Children: These twelve and thirteen year old children shouldn't be on the battlefield. They're too young. It's unacceptable. Look at the things they have to do, the choices they have to make.

Me: Itachi was twelve, maybe thirteen when he had to kill his clan.

Anti Itachi Children: Had to? He didn't have to do anything. He killed children! All because he believed in the village.

Me: Either you have selective memory or you never paid attention. Itachi acted as a double agent only to attempt peace. When he saw that wasn't working, he and Shisui tried to FORCE peace. When THAT didn't work, they DID NOT side with Konoha.

Me: Danzou in fact was the one to go to Itachi and tell him he had a choice: either Konoha sent forces in to kill EVERY Uchiha, OR... Itachi could kill them all himself, and Danzou would allow Sasuke to be spared.

Me: In other words, either literally every Uchiha would be killed, or every Uchiha SAVE SASUKE would be killed.

Me: Itachi DID NOT kill his clan. He saved his brother. His clan was already doomed.

Anti Itachi Children: ...

Anti Itachi Children: But what about his speech during the Great War? Huh?

Me: Sweetheart, the very fact that you could think a single well-written, non-retconning thing existed within that farce of a story arc is amazing. By then Kishimoto was throwing the garbage from his trash can onto the paper because he knew he'd still get his paycheck. Now shush.

[usratonkachi]

sasuke uchiha’s trajectory / a pro-sasuke meta.

Sasuke was more than just a rebel, spoiled and “whining emo kid” that wanted revenge, I can prove it.

Contains anti Konoha, shinobi system, Kakashi, Naruto, Sakura, Danzou, Hiruzen, Tobirama, SS/SNS arguments, so if you're not ready to handle criticism against your favourite character or ship, don't even read it.

This is for people to think more deeply about Sasuke and his actions, so you don't have to fully agree. But I'm not open for critics or similar. I'm exposing what I think, what I saw and how I interpreted Sasuke's trajectory. If you strongly do not agree with or get offended by anything under the cut,  that's not my problem so you can complain over there, don't @ me.

However, if you have any real doubts, other valid arguments to add, or you just want to talk about what you just read / discuss about anything you politely disagree with, you can contact me here or here, or chat me on tumblr itself. I'm not changing my mind though.

Also, a big thank you to my friend who translated from pt-br for me because I’m too lazy. Love you, Konan. ♡

1. WHEN SASUKE LEFT KONOHA:

Here's where Sasuke starts being hated by the Naruto fanbase because it's when he stops acting according to what Konoha believes he's supposed to. But, before hating him, there's a lot of things to acknowledge about.

Sasuke always believed to be an avenger ever since the Uchiha massacre. Even when he began to blend in well on Team 7's dynamic, as soon as Itachi landed feet in Konoha again and he failed to defeat him, he came back to believe in such fact. Thus, he wanted to grow stronger.

Not just for seeking to be stronger, Sasuke also feels like he doesn't belong to Konoha anymore. Sakura never understood the pain of having everything that matters the most taken away, Naruto never really had anything and Kakashi, the only one who could connect to him, only pushes him away.

1.2. KAKASHI:

Although what people think, Kakashi and Sasuke's relationship was deeper than it seemed. Kakashi was someone that made Sasuke feel safe and vehemently trained him for the Chuunin Exam. In a summary, Sasuke trusted Kakashi and had him as a mentor.

Instead of offering Sasuke the emotional support he needed, Kakashi basically fought him for using one of his jutsu against an ally even though Naruto had done it too and could just have killed him as well. Beyond that, he insults him multiple times and doesn't take his only goal seriously. He tied up the boy to a tree like he was some kind of animal, for God’s sake.

You can read more about Sasuke and Kakashi’s relationship in this awesome analysis.

This is only the beginning of Konoha trying to make Sasuke feel guilty for everything he did and wanted to do, when actually all his hate and thirst for revenge was perfectly comprehensive, since he lost everything to the system he lives in.

1.2. SAKURA:

Besides comparing her pain of losing him with his pain of having his whole family murdered by his own brother, Sakura still blackmails him emotionally because it's all about what SHE wants, about what SHE feels. It only shows she doesn't really understand him.

1.3. NARUTO:

Naruto, just like the rest, also doesn't get Sasuke's goals and motivations and tries to stop him from seeking power with Orochimaru, even if he has to "break his arms and legs".

In a summary, the approach of these three didn’t work. Naruto thought he could handle everything with his fists, Sakura thought making it about her own feelings was a good idea, but their lack of maturity is understadable. However, Kakashi understating Sasuke’s pain, like he wasn’t allowed to feel that way because Kakashi himself didn’t (it’s not even the same situation lmao), only made it all worse and was a decisive reason for him to leave.

2. WHEN SASUKE "ALLIED" HIMSELF TO OROCHIMARU.

Besides what everyone thinks, Sasuke doesn't really allied himself to Orochimaru or condoned with his ideology like Anko or Kabuto. He didn't intend for him to possess his body, not before killing Itachi. He wanted to train and get strong.

To this point, Sasuke literally didn't do anything questionable. During training, he never killed anyone or acted as cold as he wanted people to think he was. That's why he says "I'll be merciless in front of him (Itachi)," because that's something he has to force himself to become, not something he is.

One more proof Sasuke never shared Orochimaru's goals and, instead, used him as a way to obtain more power is his speech before "killing him", where he questions his goals and ways.

After Orochimaru's "death", Sasuke frees all his prisoners and victims of his experiment, including Suigetsu, Juugo and Karin. In Juugo's case, he offered himself to be his "prison", stopping him from hurting even more people.

In pursuit of Zabuza's sword, Sasuke prevents Suigetsu from killing just any person.

3. WHEN SASUKE LEARNT THE TRUTH ABOUT ITACHI.

This is a crucial point in Sasuke's history because it's where he finds out that the brother whom he always had the goal to kill in revenge actually did everything in order for him to stay alive and become a hero.

At this point, it's important to keep in mind that Sasuke accomplished his lifetime goal, the only thing he believed he was alive for. Many times he said he didn't care as to what happened with his life after that moment, so it is unimaginable the misery and emptiness that he felt. Pay close attention to the expression of his eyes.

Not even the sight of another Uchiha alive took this expression of pure misery from his eyes. That’s how broken he was at this point.

Obito took advantage of Sasuke's mental instability to pour over him all the truth about Itachi. At the minimal possibility of all the acknowledge about his brother and his entire life being a lie, he breaks down, literally blacks out.

At this moment, there is a giant lack of critical sense from the fandom. Sasuke finds out that Itachi was coerced to do a mission to save his life at the behest of the Konoha leaders. So it's OBVIOUS that he couldn't return to Konoha after knowing the truth.

Many think that, since he knew Itachi did everything for the Village (which wasn't exactly the truth because he'd feel doubtful before, but made his decision once Sasuke's life was threatened), Sasuke should, too. But instead, he hates who made Itachi suffer.

Not only because of his brother, Sasuke hates Konoha for the way it treated his clan, with mistrustfulness and discrimination over one of the families that helped founding the Village.

"Even in the middle of the most profound despair, his eyes reflect a single ray of hope"*. That summarises well how Sasuke felt without any perspective of life, but grabbed onto the first shadow of objective that was offered. Obito knew how to take advantage of Sasuke's misery.

*This is a sentence that is written on chapter’s 400 art cover but I couldn’t find it in English.

4. WHEN SASUKE INVADED THE KAGES' REUNION.

Recruited to Akatsuki and manipulated by Tobi, Sasuke made his first move directly against Konoha when he appeared at the Kages' reunion to face Danzou, one of the responsibles for his clan's genocide and Itachi's sacrifice.

Sasuke's plan was to find Danzou and destroy him like part of revenge against Konoha, but Zetsu alerts the Kages about his presence in the place, which causes everyone to fight against him.

From here on, Taka starts to question Sasuke's sanity multiple times because of the sudden change in his chakra. Gathering all the precious traumas, the guilt for Itachi's death and sacrifice and the hate over who made him go through it, he was on the edge of going mad.

At this point, Sasuke doesn't put anything above his goals. Danzou confirms that Itachi's sacrifice was true and nothing else matters to him, so he kills Danzou and sacrifices Taka. After that, he realises Sakura's intention to kill him and strikes back, trying to kill her as well.

Then Sakura tries to kill him once again, and once again he defends himself trying to kill her back. The same happens with Naruto and Kakashi. So psychologically unstable, he doesn't even care about his physical limitations and insists on keep on fighting blindly.

We all know Sakura hesitated but Sasuke didn’t. His sight was troubled and she came from behind. He was defending himself.

Tobi advising him to kill Karin:

As much as Sasuke was reluctant because he wanted to be definitely full hatred, vulnerable regarding physical strength, he voluntarily decides to hear what Naruto has to say.

Then Naruto starts the “because we’re friends” talk and Sasuke clearly feels kind of affected because he actually wants that bond so badly but he also wants justice for his brother and clan, about what he’s totally right.

In a summary, besides the declared intention to kill Karin after she was hit because of his shaken up sanity, Sasuke acted in self defense and in defense of his goals, what ended up not killing anyone.

5. WHEN SASUKE JOINED THE WAR.

Sasuke meets Itachi's edo tensei with still profound grudge over Konoha for what it did to his brother. He wanted answers from Itachi in order to confirm everything that was told by Tobi and Danzou.

The closer to Itachi he feels, the more Sasuke hates Konoha and wants to revenge his brother for being forced to sacrifice himself.

After confirming that Itachi's sacrifice for the village and himself was true, Sasuke falls into an internal conflict for not being certain of any concepts anymore; of a clan, a village, a shinobi, and even himself. To obtain answers, he resurrects Orochimaru to bring the Hokages back to life.

There is a lot of virtue and maturity in Sasuke's decision of understanding all the concepts through their stories. Patiently, he listens to Hashirama's version about everything to then come to a conclusion on what to do about his revenge and himself.

Hashirama talks about his and Madara's trajectory, inwardly connected to the Village's concept, which he had helped found. And allied to the concept of a ninja village, he defined sacrifice as one of the methods to protect it, which Madara stated would drag the Village into darkness, what was clearly a reference to Itachi and the Uchiha's sacrifice, culminating into Sasuke's personal hell. In the end, Hashirama ends up taking the responsibility for this method being considerated valid to protect the Village.

In front of all that, Sasuke, for now, decides to battle next to the Shinobi Alliance so that his brother's sacrifice wouldn't have been in vain. Next to Naruto and Sakura, he seals Kaguya and has an important part in the world's salvage. Without him, there would literally be no way to save it.

Besides all of that, he still recognised the mistake he made on Karin and asked for her forgiveness.

An addendum: SASUKE DID NOT TRY TO KILL SAKURA IN THIS MOMENT like a lot of people try to decontextualise. He put her in a GENJUTSU, the same way Itachi did to himself after the Uchiha's massacre. One more reenforcement to his attempt of cutting his ties with the previous Team 7.

6. WHEN SASUKE BATTLED NARUTO.

To this point, Sasuke comes to an obvious conclusion, but that requires extreme perspicacity from a 17 year old kid: Konoha's problem was its system. The failure that would allow sacrifices like Itachi's to happen was structural.

Even Orochimaru, when resurrected, acknowledges Sasuke's maturing.

With that in mind, Sasuke decides to become a Hokage and lead a revolution that would change the shinobi system and would nip the world's evil in the bud.

Sasuke's revolution consisted in following Itachi's steps, his great inspiration and influence, sacrificing himself to carry alone all the hate in the world. The intention of it was to unify the whole world and that only he would have to deal with the Villages' darkness.

This new goal of him destroys every argument against him that paints him as someone egocentric and selfish. Everything Sasuke wished for was to deal with the darkness by himself in a way that there wouldn't be any more sacrifices like Itachi's or of children like himself and Naruto.

Therefore, as noble as his objectives were and as mature as they sounded for his age, Sasuke sins on the chosen ways to start his revolution (even though I wouldn’t mind if he killed the kages whereas all their war crimes). Still, it's comprehensive since he started using Itachi's example as a guide of his actions.

Sasuke then apologised for all the suffering he caused his friends, even though it wasn't really his fault. He felt so responsible for the bad events that he left on a redemption trip to see the world with his own eyes, proving his maturity once again.

7. WHEN SASUKE LEFT ON A MISSION.

I want to start this section saying how much I despise for personal reasons (it’s explained at the end of this meta) canon adult Sasuke for what Kishimoto did to his character but I defend him anyway because he’s still hated for absolutely wrong reasons.

Apart from everything he went through previously, Sasuke was brainwashed accepted the position of shadow Hokage and started to protect Konoha even if the village never had redeemed itself for its crimes against his brother and clan.

He sacrificed almost an entire life next to his wife and daughter in favour of not only Konoha, but the world, since he was the only one who could track traces of Kaguya thanks to his Rinnegan. In the meantime, he saved the village again and again.

Sasuke is constantly judged for pointing out a sword in Sarada's direction on their first meeting, although there wasn't how he'd know that, out of all people, she would be there (thank you Naruto you’re so responsible, no wonder you’re such a good parent lmao) considering there were sharingan user clones walking around.

Anyhow, he saved his daughter when it was needed and searched for Sakura to guarantee her safety, even though he had defended that she would be fine since she was as strong as him and Naruto. Besides, he AGAIN helped saving everyone.

FINAL CONSIDERATIONS & PERSONAL ANALYSIS.

Sasuke was a child that had everything and lost it all in the most traumatising way possible to the person he loved the most, ordered by the Village he grew in. He saw his family BEING SLAUGHTERED thousands of times in Itachi's genjustu when he was just a kid.

He had his only goal ripped from him on his teen years when getting rid of the target of his revenge only to learn that he actually had sacrificed himself on HIS BEHALF, since his LIFE WAS THREATENED by the superiors responsible for Konoha.

Although being a completely traumatised child and psychologically shaken up, being manipulated by his brother first, then by many others who only wanted to take advantage of his abilities, Sasuke still became aware of the world enough to want to change it for the better.

The revolutionary ideals that conferred depth to the character and made him promising were devastated because antagonists are portrayed as "insane", "out of their minds", "dominated by hatred" so we'll think the revolution of systems is a crazy people thing.

Sasuke was a victim of the system that allows 13 year old children to kill their families in sacrifice of a "greater cause", like this kid and theret family weren't part of who deserved protection. If he had controversial actions, Konoha and its system are the ones to blame.

The real guilty ones are Tobirama, who SEGREGATED the Uchiha without a reason; Hiruzen, that didn't have any tact or pulse to deal with Danzou and the Uchiha; and Danzou, whose crimes I don't even have to mention because they're common sense. If you want to blame someone, these are the ones.

Even though the real guilty ones were previously mentioned, Sasuke was thrown in jail and still got scolded by the greatest Sixth Hokage, his said mentor, who told him to "try not to go mad again", like it was his fault for being traumatised thanks to the Village.

And that's why I hate the ending of my favourite character. It has nothing to do with some kind of ship like many may think (even though I’d much prefer him to end with someone who could really understand him), but because he was distorted to fit in a stupid and conformist narrative, when he had a marvellous potential as a character.

And as if it's not enough, he's hated and made fun of in the fanbase, even though he's the only one, among the kids, to really make sense, even with all the traumas he suffered. Even when he had proved not to be selfish, or dumb, nor egocentric or a terrible father or an abusive husband and etc.

Sasuke Uchiha did nothing wrong and I just proved it. If you, a possible anti who read it all the way here, still want to keep in the ignorance of hating the character based on his actions then that's on you. I've done my part. That's it. Now go love my baby cause he deserves it. ♡

I couldn’t get to all of these opinions without help, so I’m recommending some important pro-Sasuke posts (besides the ones I already did during the post).

Sasuke changing the shinobi system thread. About adult Sasuke. Sasuke’s “crimes”. Sasuke’s protectiveness 1 and 2. Anti SasuSaku fandom. Naruto’s feelings for Sasuke. The Fucking Will Of Fire™. Why pro-Sasuke people are pro-Sasuke anyway? Anti-SNS. Sasuke’s guilt trip.

pt-br twitter thread / pt-br tumblr trans

[fucktobirama]

Naruto’s Cultural and Mythological References

Someone asked me to put all the mythological references in Naruto in one post so they could easily find them. Most of these posts were written by me, but a couple were written by others. I’ll edit this to add more links later.

Sasuke

Amaterasu’s powers are a reference to Agni’s divine weapon.

The symbolism of rain and storms in Sasuke’s character are references to Indra the god of lightning, storms and rain.

Sasuke is Izanagi the god of creation and Itachi is Izanami the goddess of the dead.

Sasuke’s ocular powers, Kagutsuchi, Susanoo and Amateratsu are refrences to the three faces of Agni.

Sasuke stabbing Orochimaru with lighting is a reference to Indra killing the evil serpent Vritra with a thuderbolt.

The fight between Sasuke and Danzo over Itachi’s death mirrors the conflict between Susanoo and Izanagi over Izanami’s death.

Madara and Izuna

Infinite Tsukuyomi and Indra being a god of māyā.

Madara is a foil to Hoderi the god of the bountry of the sea and Konoha was named after Konohanasakuya-hime, the goddess of cherry bloosoms and the fragility of human life.

Madara and the God Tree are references to Indra and the Kalpavriksha, the wish-granting divine tree of life.

Madara was named after Madarakishin the demon god of dancing, entretainment, performance arts and outcasts. Izuna was named after Izunagongen the god of victory and controlling fox spirits to cause disasters.

Madarakishin the dream god.

Possible names for Madara and Izuna’s late siblings and why Izuna is the third son.

Hashirama and Tobirama

Hashirama is a foil to Hoori the god of grains and harvests. Tobirama plays the same role as Hosuseri and is a central or buffer point for opposing forces.

Tobirama and the Edo Tensei are references to Izanagi’s descent to the underworld.

Tobirama is named after the door’s tree, which is used as a talisman to stop evils spirits from getting inside the house.

Itachi

(The post is tagged with the pro and anti Itachi tags because he has both positive and negative mythological references.)

Amaterasu’s capabilities are a reference to Agni’s Astra and Izanami to Manu’s Astra.

Sasuke is Izanagi the god of creation and Itachi is Izanami the goddess of the dead.

The Land of the Rice Fields is named after Inadahime, the goddess Susanoo saved from Yamata no Orochi.

The fight between Sasuke and Danzo over Itachi’s death mirrors the conflict between Susanoo and Izanagi over Izanami’s death.

Neji

The symbolism of Neji’s sauwastika and how he represents the Taoist phiolosophy of living in harmony with the natural order of the universe.