#anti bonenzo

[mythorhuman]

What about Bonnie's canon ships? Do you think they had potential?

Soooo, I'm rarely on here these days and I'm super inconsistent with checking my inbox. I have no idea when this was sent. Sorry!

Anyway, screw them. I can't put into words how much I hate Bonnie's canon ships. The way people completely disregard Jeremy's disloyalty and infidelity makes me sick. The devil tried to rewrite Jeremy/Anna as some love story just so Bonnie experienced pain. Anna was using Jeremy the same way she was using Ben. Bonnie revived this loser and he cheated on her with the same vampire that kidnapped Bonnie. She revives him again with the expense of her own life just for him to cross relationship boundaries again with Liv Parker. Beremy was a shit relationship because Jeremy has the maturity of a toddler, constantly walking himself into danger cluelessly with Bonnie playing the mother who needs to protect him. Almost every single man who showed interest in Bonnie did so to use her (Ben, Luka, Shane). Bonnie didn't even like Jamie which is why she ditched him immediately.

Her relationship with Enzo brought a regression of Bonnie as a person. She was reckless for the sake of love. He was carelessly poisoning her to death which mirrored their entire dynamic. Bonnie wasn't even Enzo's first choice nor was she his second or even his third. He was supposed to be the "love of her life" and yet everything about them revolved around Damon. The devil wasted Bonnie's love on the most irrelevant characters to give them substance. Even in her relationship, she's written as a tool. Firstly, she's used for keeping Jeremy safe. Secondly, she is used for making Enzo matter and persuading people to care about him as a character (no matter how many storylines they threw him into, no one cared). Her relationships are all about Bonnie serving a purpose for the betterment of the men and Bonnie gets absolutely nothing out of it.

The devil = Julie Plec for clarification

[occulthours]

the later seasons of tvd would’ve been so much better had bonnie and caroline switched love interests and storylines.

it would’ve made more sense for stefonnie to get together, bonnie have kids (whether they be the gemini twins or not), stefan take the cure from elena, and open as supernatural school.

it also would’ve made more sense for caroline to fall for enzo (a vampire that actually enjoyed vampirism and fit her moral standards) and did the whole annoyance to lovers trope.

bonnie showed interest in having kids and was far more equipped to teach the next generation of supernaturals. additionally stefonnie had a much better set up post season 4 and kat and paul had amazing chemistry.

caroline never showed interest in children in any way shape or form and enjoyed every aspect of vampirism. it would’ve been more fitting for her to be with someone that fit the immortal lifestyle she set out to live, which enzo could’ve done (i honestly would’ve loved single!caroline but if i couldn’t have that or forwood, carenzo would’ve been my next choice for her).

[cancerian-woman]

obviously little witch or some variation of witch is Bonnie’s nickname for the most part but why couldn’t her boyfriend call her gorgeous or beautiful in there? giving that his nickname to Caroline was calling her gorgeous and he was written to do just about anything for her. yet when bonnie was explaining her wishes to be with him forever but couldn’t because of Elena, Enzo just accepts it he never fights her decision

why couldn’t Bonnie just have someone willing to fight and push for her

[bonkai4ever94]

I can't stand Enzo so his death had no effect on me but I did hate how they used his death as a torture device for bonnie character then to make her go to stefan and Caroline wedding after all that

Then Caroline had the nerve to act like a victim 🙄 give me a break bonnie should have went to the wedding and waited until the vows said death do us part

And made stefan part and brought kai as her date because we all know he loves weddings

[vervaincircle]

suggesting kai is worse than enzo is already a pretty generous statement if you make a list of their amount of kills and also break down their character arcs

kai is only worse in that we’ve seen him target children (his own family) on screen. but what’s nice about kai is there’s no pretense— the show treats him like he’s a bad person instead of sucking him off and ignoring the evil shit he did like with damon and enzo

also bonnie is capable of (and did) overpower kai and win. she has killed him before. she has multiple arcs that are morally dubious. katherine is explicitly a villain while bonnie was made to be a martyr hero, but like? 😭 that doesn’t mean bonnie needs to be handled with kid gloves and be the only one exempt from a dark ship out of all of the main girls. and if you only feel that way about bonnie but ship the other girls with klaus or damon or whatever then that’s really weird imo

it doesn’t help that enzo was basically the finch to bonnie. bonnie fans begged julie to put her with the mikaelsons (give her a ship like elena and caroline had) and they spat in their faces for years and then dropped enzo down on her as a consolation prize (AND THEN KILLED HIM 😭) right after he was done trying to fuck damon’s mom… dawg.

[nikkiruncks]

Canon!bonenzo is not my thing but looking at some of their s5 interactions like there was something there. Like I can see the potential with s5 them, but after that? Nope.

[putinspervertedtsarina5294]

My The Vampire Diaries NOTPs:

1. Damon&Elena

2. Klaus&Caroline

3. Stefan&Katherine

4. Kol&Bonnie

5. Katherine&Elijah

6. Damon&Caroline

7. Damon&Bonnie

8. Damon&Andie

9. Damon&Isobel

10. Damon&Alaric

11. Stefan&Caroline

12. Damon&Rebekah

13. Matt&Rebekah

14. Bonnie&Enzo

15. Klaus&Katherine

16. Klaus&Elena

17. Tyler&Liv

18. Rebekah&Elena

19. Katherine&Elena

20. Silas&Quetsiya

21. Bonnie&Kai

[bonkai4ever94]

I can't stand Enzo in general so I didn't want him with anyone much less bonnie she deserved a worthy love interest and he wasn't it

Caroline didn't need anymore men either she had enough love interests that they could have put her with she didn't need to steal bonnies too

Its 2 am and i just saw a caroline enzo ship edit and some comments saying they should have had one bed scene or something it bothering me sm because caroline has 1) more than enough love interest and 2) even if i dont like bonnie x enzo that much its still lowkey aggravating that bonnie cant even have her only decent love interest to herself idk im going to bed not worth getting worked up about

[mythorhuman]

why don't you and most Bonnie stans like her relationship with Enzo?

I don't speak for everyone but that ship was never of interest to me for several reasons. Most of these reasons revolve around Enzo himself. When people do like Enzo, their reasonings have absolutely nothing to do with canon. His accent and appearance hold too much weight because his character is severely lacking. It's kinda like we're watching completely different shows which is the fault of the writers. Enzo was created to be a bad boy for Caroline, but plans changed partially due to Candice's pregnancy. With the shift in plans, comes a lot of revisionist history when it comes to Enzo and his character.

I saw someone say he was a caring person and gave Sarah Salvatore as an example. He literally sought out to destroy her life and then did a random 180. He was the one who put Sarah in danger in the first palace just to mess with Stefan. The flip-flopping pretty much embodies Enzo as a character. He was pissed Stefan killed Maggie and that suddenly went away when he discovered it was Damon. Out of nowhere, he decides he didn't really love Maggie in the first place. Way to treat her as the disposable black girlfriend, Enzo. He was beefing with Stefan obsessively for nothing?! Every other character has a motivation (something to fuel their behavior) and he just doesn't have one. Why the hell did he even stay in Mystic Falls? We don't know! Between his inconsistencies, lack of legitimate motivations and pointlessness, he's exhausting as a character to deal with.

The BE relationship is romanticized to the point of making Enzo an angel. It's honestly a bit preposterous that he is the man they claim deserves Bonnie. How is he any different from the rest of them? People act like he didn't kill innocent people (e.g. Tom Avery). Maybe it's because they don't pay his character any attention. They just ignore that he is a murderous vampire who has also been physically aggressive towards Bonnie. He has no moral high ground in comparison to the rest of vampires. While most of my criticism may seem like an attack on their shippers, it's actually a criticism of how Bonenzo is written.

They don't have much history nor do the actors have chemistry. And the little history that they do have (Enzo attacking Bonnie, Bonnie cutting off his limb) goes completely unaddressed. This is because their relationship isn't built from a connection or shared history. It's built off co-dependency. Their weak bond is further exemplified when Damon returns. Their entire relationship revolves around Damon. Damon shouldn't be able to insert himself so easily into their relationship, if their love was so strong. People shouldn't have to make things up to find things redeemable about Enzo as a character or like BE as a ship. I think part of my issue with Enzo is that the devil (Julie Plec) claimed Bonnie would never be with a murderous vampire. Enzo isn't a saint, despite his last name. He's given a pass for his evil deeds so that the devil can justify keeping Bonnie away from leading male characters. Bonnie isn't seen as a romantic competition for the other female characters. Hell, Enzo even says she isn't used to men fighting over her. In this instance, Enzo is being used by the writers to further belittle Bonnie. To put it simply, Enzo sucked.

[cancerian-woman]

What do you think about Enzo? I find him Boring 😭

In short: I don't like him that much. None of that is MM's fault lol.

Long Answer: To me the writers never knew what to do with Enzo really which is why he has that long phase of disliking Stefan, Lily problems, Caroline/KC.20 and then being placed with Bonnie. He's different characters all wrapped up into one. Sometimes he's Damon other times he's Klaus. When Damon and Klaus are already very similar to their cores.

Ian vouched for Michael M. which is why he stayed longer than season 5. BE is more about what Enzo needs than Bonnie. They were together for years, yet Damon is so centered in their relationship because he screwed them both over. I probably would have supported them if the relationship if it was done because the writers cared for Bonnie romantically but that isn't how it is presented. Bonnie's "epic" romance is told all in one episode and then the rest is half of a season with the remaining episodes of her fawning over a ghost. Never mind the stockholm syndrome that forced them together anyway. Even in fan edits Enzo is given more reasons to like Bonnie than she is of him. They were never granted a "sex scene" but even that one moment has Bonnie doing the work. Kat Graham is 5ft2 you mean to tell me Michael couldn't carry her to a bed or something?

It's just annoying when other women were fawned over: Elena, Caroline, Cami, and Hayley were giving one or multiple interests those relationships were done with intent due to having some compassion towards those women. Those relationships center so much of those women. Bonnie gets a half-assed romance with a non-fleshed out character as a "here damn" ship.

You asked about Enzo, and this turned into anti Enzo/Bonenzo rant. Sorry, but BE is the only time his character had some consistency which was adding onto the many ways the series doesn't value Bonnie. Yes, it's nice that Bonnie got some happiness but in the end it just aided into her suffering. Enzo could be lined up with Bonnie's other romances and I swear outside of him lasting 3 seasons you wouldn't see much a difference: Luka M, Ben and Jeremy. All side characters or unimportant because the series doesn't see Bonnie as such.

Kat amazing acting in Enzo's death, and the fact that a future with Enzo was dangled over Bonnie's head like a toy is part of the reason people mourn them so much to me. The show wrapped and we never hear about Bonnie's life for the rest of the franchise.

[bonkai4ever94]

All of bonenzo scenes feel like they just recycled bonkai scenes and even some bamon scenes

rewatching scenes from s7 to work on my AU has me getting worked up over all the bonkai/bonenzo parallels, it truly feels like they planned on bonkai and then slipped enzo into the narrative as a quick replacement

[bonkai4ever94]

Seeing that there's more moral policing bonnie out of ships with popular men under the guise of her deserving better yet non of these arguments come with their Solution on how she would get better all I see is most of the time she has to die for enzo for some reason or never to find peace or have children outside of that relationship so she has to wait around to die to be with him to have a life otherwise she never gets over him nor will she have kids or fall in love again it's gross honestly how this Fandom gatekeeps bonnie not only out of being seen as desirable or equal to any other girl in this universe because they all get their bad boys/epic romances and bonnie gets nothing not even better because they never had any intentions on writing anyone good enough or better for bonnie that's why she was single 90% of the time or dead or suffering from something enzo wasn't any better then all the dudes and that includes his treatment of bonnie before they even got together

[fairykery]

The Vampire Diaries opinions people hate me for:

Forwood is actually a good ship and I wish it didn't have to go down like that, at the expense of Caroline's character.

I ship Klaroline; but Klaus was toxic. I could only ever see this ship becoming endgame if Klaus redeemed himself first.

Caroline had chemistry with everyone except Stefan.

Bamon had potential (and it was literally in the books). If they had come up with a "I had my humanity off" plotline it would have made the ship work🤷🏻‍♀️

Bonezo is a good ship and is clearly less toxic than Bamon; but it only happened to please racist dullena fans that complained about Bamon's romantic implications(even if it happened in the books)

Caroline, Katherine, Bonnie, & Stefan are the most interesting characters of TVD

Jeremy & Anna were cute IDK🤷🏻‍♀️

Matt did not deserve the hate. His feelings were valid. All his friends were killers and he was an abandoned, heartbroken boy, whose mom was a drunk and pedophile, and his only sister & family was killed by the boyfriend of his ex-girlfriend who he loved alot, just cause he decided he was bored. He remained loyal & brave to his friends and they didn't account for their murders and killings & stopped caring for the innocent.

Alaric was not a bad father and teacher. Even if he had his slip-ups he was actually an interesting & good character.

Damon is way too defended In this fandom. People should like the character and not defend the wrongs?! Just how many women has he compelled to sleep with him and to let him drink their blood? And what about what he did to Aaron whitmore? He slaughtered entire families of Innocents even while dating Elena. So all that "sHe mAkEs hiM bEtTeR" crap, is not valid. You can like Ian's acting and the smugness of his character, & like the character for those reasons, without defending the terrible acts of the character.

Delena was a horrible ship. The only reason it's popular is due to the shallow fact that people see Ian as more handsome than Paul. The ship only has good chemistry and looks. Beyond that, there is nothing.

Stefan is still the better man. (Fried humanity/off humanity Stefan don't count just as it goes for all the other vampires) Gaslighting writing through the other characters won't change that(Nice try, Julie P)🤷🏻‍♀️

Alaric and Jo were really cute together. I don't care. They made epic twins together.

Elena is overloved; but overhated at the same time. It's annoying. Just love the kind human girl that she used to be and hate the vicious, selfish girl she became, without hating her for breathing. That simple.

Klelijah(Katherine x Elijah) is not a good ship. Katherine loved stefan. She was only using Elijah to survive, and back then she only pitied him. Elijah also only was with her because of what he did to Tatia

Katherine did deserve better though, even if she did bad things. Making her the biggest/& ultimate devil and pretending there wasn't any good in her was incredibly misogynistic. Like Damon & Klaus did worse things and they get happy lives and good character ends? Like No! Horrible! Katherine's core was a scared little girl who wanted to live a normal human life while still being powerful and beautiful. She was chased for 500 years, had to see her entire family slaughtered, lost a baby because of misogynistic expectations, found her again, just to see her last family die again. Did she do horrible things? Yes; all to survive. But she also saved Jeremy, Damon, Stefan, encouraged Elena to be honest about what she felt for Damon even when she didn't have to.

Caroline did annoying things; but overall she was an interesting character. And she was way too smart and strong as a vampire. I loved seeing it.

Bonnie deserved so much more than the show gave her. I hope she gets her own show one day. A show about witches would be pretty lit.

Rebecca could have tried harder to be kinder and less evil. I get she had centuries of habits she needed to break but still. (Elena stabbing her in the back was still shit though)

Klaus was evil to his default and was an abuser to his family. I'm glad he changed/died for hope; but still I would have been nice if there were other factors to this action.

They shouldn't have thrown away the good of Elijah Mikalson. He didn't deserve that. The way they also tried to pull a Stefan on him.

Haylijah was a cute ship🤷🏻‍♀️

Esther wasn't wrong about her children being evil as vampires. And what she wanted to do with them was have them live as humans.

What the originals did to Marcel was fucked up

What the originals did to Davina was cruel

I wish we could have seen more of the witch that played "the hollow".

Glamorizing Hope's evil side is not "a flex". Again, like the character & actor art; but not the vicious actions.

Hosie should have been canon

That random new original sister was so unnecessary.

Kolvina is the most interesting ship of the entire TVDverse I wish there was more of them

All TVD ships were good I just find: Steroline, Delena, & Klamille to be cringe. Steroline only happened to compensate Forwood/& Klaroline and justify Delena. And Delena only happened because of looks and the love story was trash. Klamille was also a compensation ship to Klaroline so yeah, cringe.

TVD writing, lore, acting, cinematography,. directing is all a 10. The only thing that is trash is the ending and all the romantic entanglement the show had.

Warning: This isn't to start an agree to disagree party. This post is just so that those that agree with me can high-five with me. If you disagree, don't even bother commenting on this post. Everything is a matter of perception & perspective. I'm just sharing mine, while venting. By jumping on this post to fight with me you are immediately self-labeling yourself as entitled. Everyone has their own opinions bestie so don't even.

[bonkai4ever94]

I don't find enzo and bonnie cute at all enzo had no interest in bonnie and showed it repeatedly she had to do all the work for the relationship on top of being used to make another woman jealous out of all the dudes they could have picked they gave bonnie boring relationships every time

As cute Bonnie and Enzo are sometimes, why does no one outside Bonnie stans ever talk about how rushed and poorly developed they are.

They are adorable, though mostly only in the last season, and I like the fact that Bonnie was finally able to have an stable relationship where the guy respected her and didn't fuck ghosts, but my god they had no development as to how they got together and if I'm honest, only Bonnie seemed interested in him prior dating.

[queercherrypie]

I'm writing my bamon fanfic and out of nowhere this gif comes to mind.

[kmze]

"Then in S8 he was supposed to be some romantic compassionate vampire" Well tvd writers lacked creativity and basically tried to turn Enzo into Malarkey(who is a gem of a person it seems) knowing this fandom will eat up anything so yeah jokes on us.

Okay but “knowing this fandom will eat up anything” I mean EXACTLY THIS, because people LOVE Bonenzo in S8 and I’m just flabbergasted. I swear it’s me, I felt like I was watching DE all over again with Bonnie being uninterested in anything but Enzo and Enzo giving love declarations about nothing every few episodes. I actually liked them in S7, I liked the banter I loved their sexual tension in 7x06 and even the end of S7 I could see how happy Bonnie was but all of that felt gone in S8. Part of me thinks it’s because they decided for pure plot contrivance reasons to make Bonnie magic-less again and that’s why they made her so dependent on Enzo. It makes me dislike the ship so much.