#anti steroline

[occulthours]

the later seasons of tvd would’ve been so much better had bonnie and caroline switched love interests and storylines.

it would’ve made more sense for stefonnie to get together, bonnie have kids (whether they be the gemini twins or not), stefan take the cure from elena, and open as supernatural school.

it also would’ve made more sense for caroline to fall for enzo (a vampire that actually enjoyed vampirism and fit her moral standards) and did the whole annoyance to lovers trope.

bonnie showed interest in having kids and was far more equipped to teach the next generation of supernaturals. additionally stefonnie had a much better set up post season 4 and kat and paul had amazing chemistry.

caroline never showed interest in children in any way shape or form and enjoyed every aspect of vampirism. it would’ve been more fitting for her to be with someone that fit the immortal lifestyle she set out to live, which enzo could’ve done (i honestly would’ve loved single!caroline but if i couldn’t have that or forwood, carenzo would’ve been my next choice for her).

[bennettmaximoff]

It’s still insane how that side of tvdu fandom vilifies Tyler for choosing to get revenge on the man that killed his mother and friends instead of staying with Caroline, all because they needed an excuse to make Klaus look like the better choice for Care. Which is insane because he has physically harmed Caroline and almost killed her, yet somehow him doing that isn’t terrible as Tyler growling at Caroline bc she slept with the man who tortured him and again, has killed his mother…

“Tyler slut shamed her”… when all he stated was that she slept with Klaus. Even in show, they have Stefan punching him and acting as if he said something egregious [Them completely forgetting all the times they have Caroline call other female characters sluts or insinuate it, but ofc the writers and fandom have selective memory when it comes to certain characters] when Tyler had the right to be upset over his girlfriend sleeping with the man who destroyed his life.

This is the same side that calls Bonnie a terrible friend because she didn’t immediately warm up to Caroline being a vampire. Even though Caroline had literally killed an innocent person—Even though Bonnie made her a daylight ring not too long after. But this is the TVD fandom we’re talking about, so of course black and poc character’s feelings are not an importance to them. It’s interesting how they are so quick to infantilize and baby white characters, yet the black/poc chars are supposed to easily move on from their trauma, deal with it, and prioritize their white counterparts over themselves.

[piperslovebot]

Stefan: wants revenge on Klaus for the shit he pulled on him, even going as far as to almost drive the love of his life off of Wickery Bridge. Knowing that that her parents almost died and where she almost died.

Fandom: Stefan has every right to hate Klaus!!! He didn’t actually do it!!! His humanity was off (it was on and yes he was dealing with the guilt and pain, but I’m not gonna go dismiss my baby girl’s trauma either).

Tyler: wants revenge on Klaus for killing him, forcing him into becoming a hybrid, making him into his slave, forced him to bite his gf, killed his mother (aka his last living family member) because Tyler dared to save innocent hybrids from being sired, killed his pack, and drove him out of his hometown. Tearfully leaves because while he loves Caroline, he doesn’t want to live under a psychopath’s thumb and wants justice. Keep in mind that he didn’t abuse Caroline in the process unlike something a certain Salvatore brother did to the love of his life.

Fandom: T-Tyler is such a dick! He chose revenge over Caroline! He hates Klaus more than he loves Caroline! How dare he not grieve the way his girlfriend wanted him to! Klaus/Stefan would never!

[cancerian-woman]

Tyler didn’t slutshame or cheat on Caroline. I wish people actually paid attention but they only heard Klaus running his mouth. Then saw bright colored eyes when Tyler told her to leave him alone AND repeatedly said she slept with Klaus. That is not slut shaming, “Caroline felt bad…” Hm, because she knew Tyler wasn’t going to hear her out on that?

Revenge on Klaus was okay when Stefan wanted it but…of course Tyler wasn’t supposed to feel anything 🙄

[chloesreality]

strict and protective bf:

stubborn and clingy gf:

=

✨ perfection ✨

[ladydeath-vanserra]

listen the main reason I just Cannot ship Steroline is the Way Stefan makes her cry. like. this girl crying by herself in her car? Stefan calling her a control freak who's lost control and that's what love is 🥴 makes me VIOLENT. my girl deserves someone to sweep her off her feet into a whirlwind romance and not someone who sized her up against his ex-girlfriend and made her CRYYYYY

[fairykery]

The Vampire Diaries opinions people hate me for:

Forwood is actually a good ship and I wish it didn't have to go down like that, at the expense of Caroline's character.

I ship Klaroline; but Klaus was toxic. I could only ever see this ship becoming endgame if Klaus redeemed himself first.

Caroline had chemistry with everyone except Stefan.

Bamon had potential (and it was literally in the books). If they had come up with a "I had my humanity off" plotline it would have made the ship work🤷🏻‍♀️

Bonezo is a good ship and is clearly less toxic than Bamon; but it only happened to please racist dullena fans that complained about Bamon's romantic implications(even if it happened in the books)

Caroline, Katherine, Bonnie, & Stefan are the most interesting characters of TVD

Jeremy & Anna were cute IDK🤷🏻‍♀️

Matt did not deserve the hate. His feelings were valid. All his friends were killers and he was an abandoned, heartbroken boy, whose mom was a drunk and pedophile, and his only sister & family was killed by the boyfriend of his ex-girlfriend who he loved alot, just cause he decided he was bored. He remained loyal & brave to his friends and they didn't account for their murders and killings & stopped caring for the innocent.

Alaric was not a bad father and teacher. Even if he had his slip-ups he was actually an interesting & good character.

Damon is way too defended In this fandom. People should like the character and not defend the wrongs?! Just how many women has he compelled to sleep with him and to let him drink their blood? And what about what he did to Aaron whitmore? He slaughtered entire families of Innocents even while dating Elena. So all that "sHe mAkEs hiM bEtTeR" crap, is not valid. You can like Ian's acting and the smugness of his character, & like the character for those reasons, without defending the terrible acts of the character.

Delena was a horrible ship. The only reason it's popular is due to the shallow fact that people see Ian as more handsome than Paul. The ship only has good chemistry and looks. Beyond that, there is nothing.

Stefan is still the better man. (Fried humanity/off humanity Stefan don't count just as it goes for all the other vampires) Gaslighting writing through the other characters won't change that(Nice try, Julie P)🤷🏻‍♀️

Alaric and Jo were really cute together. I don't care. They made epic twins together.

Elena is overloved; but overhated at the same time. It's annoying. Just love the kind human girl that she used to be and hate the vicious, selfish girl she became, without hating her for breathing. That simple.

Klelijah(Katherine x Elijah) is not a good ship. Katherine loved stefan. She was only using Elijah to survive, and back then she only pitied him. Elijah also only was with her because of what he did to Tatia

Katherine did deserve better though, even if she did bad things. Making her the biggest/& ultimate devil and pretending there wasn't any good in her was incredibly misogynistic. Like Damon & Klaus did worse things and they get happy lives and good character ends? Like No! Horrible! Katherine's core was a scared little girl who wanted to live a normal human life while still being powerful and beautiful. She was chased for 500 years, had to see her entire family slaughtered, lost a baby because of misogynistic expectations, found her again, just to see her last family die again. Did she do horrible things? Yes; all to survive. But she also saved Jeremy, Damon, Stefan, encouraged Elena to be honest about what she felt for Damon even when she didn't have to.

Caroline did annoying things; but overall she was an interesting character. And she was way too smart and strong as a vampire. I loved seeing it.

Bonnie deserved so much more than the show gave her. I hope she gets her own show one day. A show about witches would be pretty lit.

Rebecca could have tried harder to be kinder and less evil. I get she had centuries of habits she needed to break but still. (Elena stabbing her in the back was still shit though)

Klaus was evil to his default and was an abuser to his family. I'm glad he changed/died for hope; but still I would have been nice if there were other factors to this action.

They shouldn't have thrown away the good of Elijah Mikalson. He didn't deserve that. The way they also tried to pull a Stefan on him.

Haylijah was a cute ship🤷🏻‍♀️

Esther wasn't wrong about her children being evil as vampires. And what she wanted to do with them was have them live as humans.

What the originals did to Marcel was fucked up

What the originals did to Davina was cruel

I wish we could have seen more of the witch that played "the hollow".

Glamorizing Hope's evil side is not "a flex". Again, like the character & actor art; but not the vicious actions.

Hosie should have been canon

That random new original sister was so unnecessary.

Kolvina is the most interesting ship of the entire TVDverse I wish there was more of them

All TVD ships were good I just find: Steroline, Delena, & Klamille to be cringe. Steroline only happened to compensate Forwood/& Klaroline and justify Delena. And Delena only happened because of looks and the love story was trash. Klamille was also a compensation ship to Klaroline so yeah, cringe.

TVD writing, lore, acting, cinematography,. directing is all a 10. The only thing that is trash is the ending and all the romantic entanglement the show had.

Warning: This isn't to start an agree to disagree party. This post is just so that those that agree with me can high-five with me. If you disagree, don't even bother commenting on this post. Everything is a matter of perception & perspective. I'm just sharing mine, while venting. By jumping on this post to fight with me you are immediately self-labeling yourself as entitled. Everyone has their own opinions bestie so don't even.

[darklinaforever]

Who still thinks Jeremy & Anna, Bonnie & Kai and Klaus & Caroline should have been endgame ?

Well then, I like Klaus just as much as Camille.

But let's say that apart from Anna, Jemery had very little sense in relationships with other girls.

Bonnie and Enzo were nice but not super well written, because it was clear that what was set up in season 5 was Enzo with Caroline, and in season 6 Bonnie with Kai for me.

And then, seriously, Caroline and Stefan together were everything to me... It should have been Enzo instead and then she should have ended up with Klaus for me. Well... at least Klaus kept his promise to be her last love, even if it's not as we expected...

[rosedforbes]

saw this on @theshipdiaries stories and I've been laughing since then

[ New Girl Gif: Schmidt is trying to choke himself and Nick is trying to stopping him while screaming "YOU JUST SAID YOU WERE FINE!"]

[becomingpart2]

“This also reminds me of stelena because tvd didn't try to pretend stelena didn't happen. The threat of it looming over steroline was present in Caroline's irrational jealousy and insecurity throughout their relationship. But the thing is that by alluding to it every once in a while in attempts to establish steroline as a strong ship, all it did was reminding some of us of how much SC paled in comparison. Like Stefan's reactions to Caroline and his demonstrations of love for her paled in comparison to what we had seen with Elena.”

I think this proves that Candy’s insistence that Stelena was a “weak Tobin” that was replaced by Klaroline was completely false. Because if Stelena had truly been a weak Tobin it wouldn’t have outshone Steroline so much. I think if Stelena had been a weak Tobin TVD would have looked more like Gossip Girl, where Derena was the pilot Tobin and chair was the late tobin, which lead to Dan completely getting over Serena and becoming more obsessed with Blair than he ever was Serena, and Dair completely outshining Derena. But none of that happened on TVD, Stelena always outshone Steroline, and Klaroline never took over the show.

Yes!! Where did she even get the idea stelena was a weak tobin? LOL

I think stelena "lost" its space in the show and its fandom support due to reasons that were specifically designed to destroy them and even then, despite all those efforts, some people still supported them.

DE got together through a magical plot device that was never really dealt with and that fundamentally threw elena's character out of the window making it very hard for anyone that wasn't a DE shipper to still like and root for her. Stefan was also reduced to an empty caricature of the "good guy" and therefore was not allowed to be someone still intent on being with elena after she chose his brother. Their interactions were limited. You could say the writers wrote themselves into a corner with the triangle because they had very fixed ideas about who stefan and elena should be as people and that was detrimental not only to the story but to their characters.

So people got tired and frustrated with the triangle when the show barely cared to write a love triangle anymore. DE "won" and everyone got tired of it because any hope of that ever changing was consistently destroyed. Even some DErs got bored. It's understandable why a part of the audience shifted their attention elsewhere and in a show like tvd, klaus was the perfect new woobie.

KC didn't steal the attention from the triangle, not entirely, the triangle was still at the center of the story when KC started to become a thing with some fans. But then the triangle was also consistently disencouraged and destroyed in the next years so there would be nothing left there to root for.

AND even then, being so consistently shut down, SE could STILL outshine a new ship with the new "robin" like steroline lol

[couragehopelovefaith]

I had forgotten how much Caroline gets on my nerves during 5B and especially 6A. And knowing where the show proceeds endgame-wise really doesn't help.

[bonkai4ever94]

I'm convinced julie went into writing vampire diaries 💯 a book delena fan and that effected the show anytime she had a opportunity to write or come up with ideas that's why she had such a obsession with damon kissing Elena over katherine until Kevin Williamson convinced her otherwise she wanted insta delena and was more then willing to put stefan with Caroline in the beginning if she got her way that's also why there was no big connections with bonnie and damon like the books

[doyelikehaggis]

Caroline Forbes <3

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Sexuality Headcanon: *woman from Coyote Ugly voice* She is a Bisexual

Gender Headcanon: I think cis woman, she/her user

A ship I have with said character: Many. Main ones? Forwood. I am also a fan of baroline, maroline and valerine.

A BROTP I have with said character: Carenzo <3 also steroline, which is amusing because my favourite thing about carenzo is Enzo fighting Stefan for upsetting Caroline lmao

A NOTP I have with said character: Uhhh probably SE and KC. Just not my things, personally.

A random headcanon: She met up with Valerie while searching for a way to stop the twins from having to merge, and they healed <3

General Opinion over said character: I like her. I think she can be a little overrated at times, but I still like her <3

Send me a teen wolf/tvd character!

[piperslovebot]

Unpopular TVD opinions?

-Caroline is no better than Elena

-Tyler is overhated

-Forwood>>>SC + KC

-The good brother/bad brother thing is bull

-Elena deserved better than the Salvatores

-I don’t ship either but I’d take DE over KC any day of the damn week

-Klaus is not morally superior to Damon like a lot of stans say

-Rebekah is the best Mikaelson

-Katherine is the best villain on TVD

-Steferine=Daroline

-Klaus is a horrible villain

[cancerian-woman]

I won't be offended if you prefer to delete this but your post about Tyler had me thinking...

Caroline really made his grief over his mother dying about her so much so that she issued the worst ultimatum and left herself with...

A drunk old man that used to be her teacher.

A long time friend that never seemed like he got over Elena and definitely has codependent issues with his brother so much so that he sacrificed himself willingly a day after their wedding.

And a power hungry hybrid who gave her money he could more than afford to give and said pretty words but also tortured, enslaved and killed people she was connected to....and also definitely had codependent issues with his brother.

I cannot fathom it.

All true facts. It’s late here so a meta! :D

As a huge Forwood shipper and I’m equally very critical of them. It’s a great ship for them both at first, then becomes a ship only for Caroline’s needs and development which isn’t fair to Tyler That Klaroline/Steroline shadow made those fans believe Tyler was the worst Caroline could get. When in reality he was the BEST romantic partner and friend she ever had.

What upsets me more about that ultimatum that Caroline FORCED is that she’s the only one we see comforting Tyler after Carol’s death. Even before Carol died, and Tyler was skeptical about being alpha she uplifted him and Tyler heavily respected what she had to say and went full force with it. Mind you, this is the same Tyler that broke every bone in his body just to be with Caroline. Then re-agreed to slavery for Care. Forwood communicated with each other and called out their faults. The other tvdu ships weren’t doing that!—then we get this full arc of Caroline’s grief and remember she bluntly told Tyler to get over the fact that she hooked up with Klaus because of her impulses and she’s not good1!!1

The series wanted to bury Forwood and they did so in the worst ways imaginable. Caroline gets pregnant with Alaric’s babies forcibly. (I understand Candice was pregnant but they could’ve hid her belly so Caroline wasn’t pregnant.)-Oh and we can’t forget Alaric was in love with her and proposed.

Steroline was supposed to follow the friends to lovers build up the way Forwood did and it never appears that Stefan is all in the way Caroline is. Tbh, even before the wedding Stefan wanted out the relationship he tried multiple times to end things in s8. Caroline refused and wanted it to work. Building them up after Liz’s death was a choice. Stefan manipulated Caroline heavily to when it came Tyler and their relationship.

Klaroline has no obstacles to pass with them. Klaus may give Caroline pretty things, and money but emotionally he’s never shown to give Caroline any support. When Caroline saves Bonnie from those 12 witches which is her first huge kill(correct me if I’m wrong) since s2 she immediately goes to Klaus and he basically tells her to get away from him. Klaus mentions how she’s too good for that small town but Caroline had never said she hated her home. What she did hate was Klaus grown ass destroying shit. They never had a serious conversation about anything tbh. I did enjoy how Caroline called him out at first but TO’s “you aren’t the villain in my story.” Ruined that. Oh and lol these shippers get on Damon for his rape of Caroline yet somehow, someway excuses that Klaus attempted to rape Caroline too in Tyler’s body…. Anyways! I do think a lot of Klaroline is rooted in Klaus wanting control over Tyler, and Caroline is a way to exert control over Tyler because of his love for her.

Okay this is long af, sorry! To end this off Tyler loved Caroline for who she was. He never wanted her to change, he valued and respected her. Never abused her or anyone she loved. He listened to what she had to say. Caroline’s other love interests NEVER saw her the way Tyler did. Btw, I wish people understood Tyler never, not once slutshamed Caroline for having sex with someone else. He was only mad that she slept with Klaus as if Klaus did not ruin Tyler’s life and murdered his mother. There’s obviously a reason Caroline didn’t want Tyler to know and continued to ignore the boundaries he placed up in s5 so they could just go back to the way SHE wanted them to be. It’s sad they were ruined because 5B of Forwood has moments where you can forget their broken up just based on Forwood’s chemistry. I forgot to add, some fans pretend Tyler couldn’t give Caroline a good life. Tyler wasn’t financially struggling, and would’ve done anything she asked of him. I think it’s a little problematic that Tyler did say everything he liked about himself was Caroline lol. But, he wanted nothing but her and their happiness. Just without the enslavement from Klaus.

Thank you for the ask!

[chloesreality]

I Will Always think we deserved a forwood and stelena wedding!

these couples should’ve endgame!! Don’t get me wrong, klaroline was fun but never endgame!

You can’t deny forwood was so good because they both really started to come out their shell and Tyler started becoming a better, more well rounded person, they were good for each other!

but I can’t lie Tyler was also a very good fit for liv Parker 🤷‍♀️

and stelena is ultimately superior my whole page is basically about them and I have nothing left to say except… Elena made the wrong choice and she knows it too!! STEFAN STANS RISE 👹👹

anyways…uh the ships that got ripped apart by klaus were the best ones…just spitting facts🤷‍♀️😉