#anti delena

[dragonlands]

Elena Gilbert stops being boring the moment you stop viewing tvd as romance and start viewing it as a gothic horror of an underage girl groomed into an incestous love triangle between two serial killing brothers.

Her parents are dead and she only finds comfort in graveyards, her thoughts are filled with death. Then she meets these guys who CANNOT DIE and she even canonically says that's what drew her to Stefan (and let's be honest it's exactly the same with Damon). These older men want to protect her and they desire her obsessively and they form a weird, weird little family dynamic where Elena is constantly treated like a child. Elena latches onto these guys who don't only fill the role of boyfriends but also the role of parents. How she acceps the role as daughter/lover/victim of the Salvatore brothers could be fascinating if the narrative acknowledged it for what it is - horror.

[chloesreality]

me watching an edit of Stefan and Elena was saying “this isn’t you” and then Stef said “STOP SAYING THAT”

then I went to the comments 😭

this cracked me up so hard

it’s giving “Were you silent or were you silenced”

actually bfrr though, have we actually watched the same show? literally stop it’s too funny now 🤭

[alwaysmysticperfection]

People always love to throw out the line that Damon says, "I'm fine with her either way" after Stefan says he doesn't want Elena to be a vampire as if this somehow proves that Stefan never loved Elena as a vampire and Damon loved her either way.

Actions speak louder than words people! Stefan bent over backwards to get the cure and gave it to Elena and told her the choice of being a vampire would always be hers. Damon got the cure and hid it from her.

I just think it's a baseless argument tbh

[stelenasfav]

just got to season 4 of my tvd rewatch. i hate damon and his stupid sirebond. forever a damon and delena hater

[bosesmikas]

I'll never get over the fact that Elena, who always seemed to value being able to make her own decisions and valued have that freedom, ended up with a man who did the exact opposite for her.

[fearlessfairy]

Making Damon finally say "I love you" to Bonnie and adding "the same way Elena loved you" is one of the biggest betrayals and spit in the face in tv history.

[kg-day]

Pro-Damon arguments have always been pretty stupid imo, but an argument I've been seeing a lot more of recently is people saying that they prefer Damon to Stefan- both as a character and as a love interest for Elena- because "Damon was aware that he was a monster whereas Stefan pretended that he wasn't", and I have got to say, this is such a brain dead take.

Let's start by addressing the first part of the claim, that Damon's self-awareness inherently makes him better. No. Believe it or not, being self-aware does not make you a good person, it's what you do with that awareness that does. What does Damon do with his self-awareness? Absolutely nothing. He whines and cries about how much of a monster he is and how he can't change whenever anyone tries to hold him accountable for anything, or he just puts the blame on Katherine or his mother because "they didn't wuv him 🥺👉🏻👈🏻". So, he recognizes that he's a bad person, but then he proceeds to continue to be a bad person anyway...I'm not seeing how this is a good- or even a respectable- thing. Damon also doesn't care! He enjoys murdering and r*ping people. How does someone knowing they're a bad person, and then doing nothing to be better, make them a better person? It doesn't. The logic of that argument is non-existent. And to then go on and say that this is why Elena should choose him?? Why? How does Elena begging Damon to just stop being horrible, and then him responding with "I'm a monster, I'll never change" scream "I'm someone you should be with"?? There's a reason she told him he was the worst choice she would ever make.

Now, for the second part of the claim, which states that Stefan pretends that he is a good person when really, he's a monster. Once again: no. Tell me you don't have general comprehension skills without telling me because Stefan's desperation to hold onto his humanity and morality are very central parts of his character. He recognizes that he's done horrible things and takes full accountability for them. Whenever Elena asks him a question about his past, he's honest with her. He doesn't hide things from her, downplay them, or push the blame onto someone else (and if someone tries to bring up him not initially telling her he was a vampire, I will scream. Because duh! Why would he just be like, "Hey, I'm Stefan, I'm a vampire, nice to meet you!"? Please be serious) He's said the words "I am/was a monster" multiple times on screen - same as Damon - the difference between the two of them is that Stefan does something about it. Stefan trying to be a better person is not him pretending he's never done bad things. It's him trying to atone for all of the bad things that he has done. So, when he says that he's not Damon, It's true! Because he does everything Damon doesn't do when it comes to facing the consequences of his actions. Which also winds up forcing him to face the consequences of Damon's actions as well!

Only in the TVD fandom will you see people say that the guy who actively does the wrong thing in every scenario and who revels in being the bad guy is better than the guy who hates the part of himself that does horrible things and puts all of his effort into being a better person simply because guy #1 is "self-aware".

I hate it here.

[shaunashipmn]

THE VAMPIRE DIARIES ⇢ 2x01 | THE RETURN

[andreal831]

What are you top five least favorite ships in TVDU?🤭

Y'all are always trying to get me canceled <3

This is hard because there are so many crack ships. I'm going to try and just stick with ones that canonically exist. Let me know if I missed any truly awful ships because TVDU definitely has a lot.

*TW: discussions of SA and rape*

Here are my five least favorite TVDU ships:

5. Damon/Elena

Don't come for me. I tagged this post correctly. But I just never liked them and even straight up hated them at points. The "tension" everyone loves in the early seasons is usually Elena being scared/mad at Damon. Damon murders her brother because she dares to reject him, he attempts to SA her not knowing she is wearing vervain, he repeatedly strips her of her autonomy. Even when they get together, their relationship is essentially just sex. We don't see them as friends or even family. Elena has to compromise her morals completely to be with him, becoming a worse version of herself. They want completely different things out of life. Their chemistry (or lack there of in the later seasons) and story build up was not nearly enough to make me look past any of this.

4. Caroline/Klaus

Again, don't get mad if you ignore the tags. Sorry but this ship sucks. They have zero reason to like each other. Klaus actively attempted to kill Caroline twice. He SA'd her, killed her boyfriend, chased him out of town, enslaved him, killed his mom, killed her best friend's aunt who she grew up with, killed both of her best friends temporarily, etc. She helped kill two of his brothers and plotted to kill him for a year. The only thing she liked about him was his accent and his face. The only thing Klaus liked about her was that she was playing hard to get. They know nothing about each other and have nothing in common. They only exist because the fans love their chemistry and I don't even really see it. Sometimes hatred is just hatred and not some deep seeded chemistry.

3. Klaus/Genevieve

I don't think anyone ships them but they are so toxic. Klaus says he daggers Rebekah because she can't make good decisions for himself, yet he shacks up with the woman who tortured him and his sister, conspired with a woman who wants his whole family dead, and then attempts to kill his newborn baby. I actually really liked Genevieve's character except for her obsession with Klaus. The whole thing was just gross to me and it felt like an unnecessary plot to be happening when there were such better things happening at the time. A lot of my hatred of this ship is just the fact that it felt so forced and a waste of time. We could have had Celeste/Elijah having this storyline, but nope, we got Klaus and a woman who is plotting to murder his baby.

2. Katherine/Stefan

I don't understand how people ship them. Sorry, but I don't. Katherine SA'd and raped Stefan and the show doesn't even talk about it. She compels him to not be scared and then secretly gives him blood so he'll change and "be with her." She not only robs him of his bodily autonomy sexually but also doesn't give him the choice in becoming a vampire. When she comes back, Katherine does everything in her power to ruin Stefan's life because she "loves" him. They are toxic and abusive.

Damon/Caroline

I don't think anyone actually ships these two but the fact that they still are even called a ship by the show is disgusting. Damon abused, SA'd, and raped Caroline. I didn't even want to include them but the show technically has them listed as a ship so, yeah, they are my least favorite on that list. There was nothing redeeming between them. I hated how Caroline was forced to accept him into her life because of her connection with Elena and Stefan. Damon never apologizes for his abuse to her and no one even bothers to hold him accountable. I hate how at the end of the show they try to show that they are family. No. He is her abuser and her feelings/trauma were pushed aside to allow him to get a happy ending.

Honorable Mentions:

6. Keelin/Freya & Marcel/Rebekah -- I love hate these ships. I love them except for how they meet and how the show doesn't acknowledge how problematic it is. But they have to make the list even though they often make my favorites as well. I love their dynamics but really wish we had better writers.

7. Caroline/Alaric -- I think a lot of people hate on this ship to the extent that they do because it "takes" Caroline from other ships. I get its gross and problematic that Alaric was her teacher but he's a lot closer in age than most of her ships, so it's not higher up on the list. The power dynamic still throws me and I just hate Alaric after Jo dies. I also hated the forced surrogacy storyline and how much Alaric relied on Caroline.

8. Kol/Davina -- I've talked about this one before. I first of all can't stand Kol and think Davina deserves so much better. I wont' get into it again, but you can read my thoughts here.

9. Elijah/Antoinette -- We only got one real episode with this ship but I hated it. I'm sorry but we finally get a happy Elijah and they throw him with a woman who was lying to him and manipulates him? I just couldn't move past that. They were together for seven years and she never said anything about her strong connection to his family or that she knew who he was. I couldn't ever trust her once we found that out. It felt like their entire relationship was just one big manipulation.

*Remeber these are just my opinions. You all can like whoever you want*

[blairwaldcrf]

inspired by (and for): @nikkiruncks

[lady-corrine]

Delenas claiming "forgotten first meeting" as a romantic trope for their nasty ship as if Julie didn't steal it from book Bonnie and Damon 🤨

[chloesreality]

stop. literally stop.

if I ever find a relationship half of what they are then pls pinch me cuz I don’t believe it’s possible.

[alwaysmysticperfection]

So i just seen a tiktok about Elena's necklace and of course the comments were filled with people arguing over it being a delena/stelena thing. And it just flared up this visceral rage I have for the amount of Retconning the show did when it comes to Stelena/Delena.

Like oh Stefan met her first, no wait Damond did. Oh 3x01 had an epic Stelena scene were see how strong their love is? Syke, this is where she fell in love with Damon. Not to mention all the constant "oh please look at what poor Damon went through, he just needs to be loved" crap.

And the whole doppleganger prophecy thing when it came to Stefan and Elena was really them trying to say "but look stelena wasn't real".

And i get Damons back story, i really do but it was obviously just shoe horned in at the last minute to make him look like a less shitty brother and not like stefan was doing all the heavy lifting in that relationship, which he obviously had been.

Even if I shipped DE them I would still be mad. Like why not give them their own symbol instead of a necklace Stefan gave to her? And what difference did her meeting him first make, like at all? She didnt even know him then.

Anyway it all just comes across as very lazy writing to me. Like they actually didn't actually know how to build up Delena so they just focused on tearing down Stelena.

[monstersw1thv1bes]

frothing at the mouth thinking abt how stelena should have been endgame.

elena after breaking the sirebond just goes "wait??? stefan and i broke up??? i told damon i LOVE him? i died trying to get to stefan why would I do any of this?" then an entire season is spent with her trying to convince stefan she made a huge mistake and she still loves him.

and Damon goes and cries in a corner somewhere. fuck him.

[bosesmikas]

"Stefan and Damon deserved better than Elena"

One almost drove her off the bridge where her parents died and the other killed her brother because she rejected him. Be fr here.

[kg-day]

Trying to explain to zk stans that Aang did in fact support Katara going to face Yon Rha in TSR is the same as trying to explain to DE stans that Stefan didn't see Elena as a broken toy after she was turned.