#tvd 2x01

[rhcenyra]

THE VAMPIRE DIARIES ⇢ 2x01 | THE RETURN

[tangleddd]

Tangled Diaries 2.01 'The Return' / 4.17 'Because the Night'

[thesecretgossipdiary]

↳ request: unrequited love ft. katherine pierce & adam contant

[yelyahrodrigo]

Damon genuinely complains and whines all the time, but two of the most egregious are in 2x01 when he gets upset that Elena wouldn't willingly cheat on her boyfriend (his BROTHER) with him, and in 2x03 when he's upset Elena won't just instantly forgive him for killing Jeremy 🫠🫠🫠 he throws a fit anytime he doesn't get exactly what he wants and blames other people for his own actions. It's even worse when you consider he's a whole 25 year old man lashing out at 17 year old children

LMAO Damon would absolutely compel a woman to stand there like👁️👄👁️while he gives her that first speech you wrote.

100% I remember when DErs would come into my inbox and be like Stefan is such a whiner and I'd be like Damon literally compels women to listen to him complain, do you really want to do this?

[piperslovebot]

The Departed (TVD 3x22) || You Oughta Know (T9S 2x01)

[scienter]

I am aware body horror is a popular sub-genre to write for on supernatural shows like Buffy,Angel and vampire Diaries.But it is really icky that female characters are almost always subjected to these tropes.On tvd ,for instance, Elena's body was taken over by katherine who then tried to hook up with stefan.Bonnie's body was turned into an anchor(as the sole means for her survival) and dead people would pass through as she screamed in pain each time that happened.Caroline's body was turned into an incubator by a group of raging lunatics.I get that this is all fiction and the sole point of this trope is to show grotesque violation of the human body.In spite of that what was being done to Caroline just hits hard for obvious reasons.

Caroline: Why would the coven want me to?

Ric: I don't think they had a choice.The Geminis were all dying.They couldn't let the future of their coven perish along with them so they had to put the baby someplace safe...inside a body that wouldn't die.(7×07)

This whole arc was so severely unsettling not to mention the psychological damage, this certainly caused to Caroline, was swept under the rug.Moreover,people who came up with such ludicrous ideas definitely skipped middle-school biology classes.

Body horror. Huh. That’s an interesting angle to consider the plots on TVD. Now that I think about it, Caroline’s transformation into a vampire was compelling because of the body horror.

Caroline wakes up in the hospital and realizes that something isn’t right. Although she feels fine, she’s photosensitive. When she looks in the mirror the veins on her face are prominent. Then she grows fangs.

Caroline rightly freaks out at this transformation.

The horror isn’t over yet: she craves blood too.

The body horror in 2x01 was well done. The audience experiences the horror of Caroline turning into a vampire.

However, the great exploration of body horror in 2x01 reiterates your point about the writers not fully exploring the body horror Elena, Bonnie, and Caroline experience in the later seasons. The Katherine body swap, Caroline’s pregnancy, and Bonnie as the anchor are horrific transformations that are treated as mere inconveniences. You’re right. The writers had an opportunity to explore a classic horror trope in those instances, but they ignored it.

[kmze]

I was on reddit the other day and I saw some people say that Plec had complete control over tvd s4 onward along with Dries and that's why plots like sire bond happened.I thought Plec was the sole showrunner of tvd during s3 when KW was gone even though he was credited as executive producer.In fact,I have also heard Plec and Kevin both decided to introduce the sire bond plot in s3 through Tyler because they wanted to sire Elena once she transitioned.Is there any truth to any of those claims about Plec?I don't think Plec single-handedly made all the decisions.The network was involved too.Ian had once said network shut down Bamon as early as s2 to protect the triangle.Klaus was originally gonna die in s3 which was Julie's decision but the network & KW prevented that from happening.Just so you know I'm not excusing Plec for her shitty choices like the forest flop or how Bonnie's storylines were handled.She was not a pushover but she was also definitely not in complete control of everything that happened.That's not how shows work.Your thoughts?

Hey anon, so I'm going to do my best to answer based on how I understand things but as far as what's said on Reddit lol, those people are a lost cause. People read one thing and they think that's the be all end all, and for whatever reason that sub is majority SE fans so they tend to look at KW with rose colored glasses. So please take everything I'm saying with a grain of salt just because I don't work in the film/tv industry so I don't know how much networks affect shows storylines but I do have a good idea of which showrunner was in charge each season and who was probably making the decisions. Under the cut because as usual I wrote a lot.

There were three showrunners for TVD and for the most part their order of decision making went Kevin > Julie > Dries. Kevin left after he wrote 3x01 to do the Secret Circle (the book is in the same universe as TVD but I don't think the show was). Once Kevin left to do that I don't think he was as involved in the storyline on TVD, I'm sure Julie and him kept in touch but mostly he let her steer the ship. So for 8 seasons here's how I see it:

Kevin and Julie

Kevin and Julie

Julie and Dries

Julie and Dries

Dries (but still reporting to Julie)

Julie and Dries

Dries (until Julie took over when Dries left cause she fucked everything up)

Julie (but Kevin affected the ending and possibly some of the storyline)

While I do think the decision on Klaus was a network thing I don't think the sirebond or Bamon was them. With Klaus it's the network because it's about saving a character for a spin-off, I know at some point they were going to do a Tyler/Caroline spin-off instead and they scrapped that for TO. I cannot find an article to back me up but I thought Joseph said once that they wanted to chemistry test him with Candice when they were thinking about keeping Klaus alive and that's where the KC birthday scene was born. So I think that's a mix of both, the network wanted to keep Klaus and they needed to soften him up a bit and picked Caroline for that.

The sire bond was Julie and Dries I believe, they kind of said as much here. It was done in order to move Elena onto Damon faster and since the show was always about a love triangle I don't think the network cared how it was done. I think it is possible Kevin and Julie talked about the sire bond as a way to speed up DE because I know they said they had Damon kill Jeremy in 2x01 to slow down Damon from being too heroic (which don't even get me started on RME). As for Bamon that I think was all Julie and probably Dries, because Bonnie's treatment started really going downhill in S3 after Kevin left and didn't get better until S6. I know that Kevin helped Julie plan out some of S6 so he might have been the one who rescued Bonnie and had the prison world idea. I know he made sure she wasn't killed in the finale too, I mean I am 100% of the notion that Julie and Dries hated Bonnie because they're racist (or at least internalized racism). I don't know if the network had much to do with that, not that they couldn't be racist as well I just think that was more a showrunner thing and maybe they used the networks as a scapegoat with Ian.

I have a theory about the showrunners and why the show's direction changes based on who's in charge. Basically I think each showrunner has their OSG (one-special-girl) and their decisions tend to revolve around that girl. For Kevin its Elena, that's why Elena gets all the high-cachet male attention in S1 & S2 (Stefan, Damon, Elijah, Matt). For Julie it's Caroline which is why in S3 Caroline starts getting more love interests and why I think Julie picked Caroline for Klaus' chemistry test instead of Elena (which is what Kevin would have done). I also suspect Julie wouldn't let Kevin kill or hurt Caroline's endgame to prop SE back up in the finale. Instead Caroline got Stefan AND Klaus' endgames and Elena got the chin kiss. Then there's Dries who I actually think her OSG is Katherine BUT she'll use Elena if she must but a lot of time she'll do it in spite. That's essentially why I think S5 went the way it did. Dries loves Katherine and gave her the human plot and also Stefan for a bit. Then she came up with Kathlena which ended up being a hit against SE because Stefan couldn't tell it was Katherine when before he always figured it out first.

I do agree that Julie isn't a pushover, I definitely don't love a lot of the stuff she's done and the show has ALWAYS had bad consent issues. Sometimes I think people act like the consent issues started in S4 with the sire bond but Caroline in S1 and Andie in S2 were repeatedly raped, compelled and abused by Damon and that was all under Kevin. The sire bond was just the first time Elena got that same treatment and people started to notice. Ultimately I think much of the direction of the show was Julie because she was in charge the longest, even 5&7 where she worked on other shows, she had final say. The only reason she let Kevin switch the death in S8 was he was the one who got TVD greenlit (since he was a bigger name) so she did owe him. I've also seen it speculated that since she said no to DJ on Dawson's Creek for PJ she didn't want to take another endgame away from him.

[uncleasad]

Ah, yes! This has eaten at me ever since S1, and was the “timeline hell” I referenced a couple of weeks ago with my 1x10 AU, trying to figure out when the fire and Hope’s crush were.

Somewhere in the wiki it does specifically say that the twins being 16 instead of 17 is a timeline error.

The “when we were 14” thing almost kinda works with the initial timeline error/retcon, because there are roughy 2 months when the twins would have just turned 14 and Hope was about to, but had not yet, turned 15. But that’s doing a lot of mental gymnastics to make up for the writers’ laziness/sloppiness. (And insofar as they ever acted like students, the writers certainly made it seem like they were all the same grade.)

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Just to make your mind hurt some more: the S1 timeline is bonkers! I’d never seen the part that claimed S1 actually began in February!*

1x01 (aired Oct 25) has Matt as the sheriff; he last appears in person (still as the sheriff) in 1x04.

1x02 (aired Nov 1) features the annual SBS-MFHS flag football game, which we know from 2x03 happens early in the fall semester (August/September). Plus, everyone’s in shorts and it’s sunny (both times)—definitely not February! Not in Covington, GA, and certainly not anywhere in actual Virginia!

1x03 (aired Nov 8) occurs in the just after the flag football game, as punishment for misbehavior, and ends with Dana, Sasha, and Connor going to prank the Salvatore School.

1x04 (aired Nov 15) occurs the following day, as they try to figure out what happened to the MFHS trio.

1x06 (aired Dec 6) is the twins’ Sweet Sixteen, which we know canonically is March 15.

1x08/1x09 (aired Jan 24/31) feature “exams” (midterms?) and their lead-up, which the twins miss. Matt is still sheriff in 1x09, as “Sheriff Donovan was kind enough to open the Lockwood Mansion to us” for the younger students.

1x10 (aired Feb 7), the twins are finally home from post-birthday-trauma visit to Caroline in Europe.

1x11 (aired Feb 21) is the annual talent show, though we never see it again.

1x12/1x13 (aired Feb 28/Mar 7) is Spring Break (usually early April for high schools?).

1x14 (aired Mar 14) is Miss Mystic Falls; I don’t know enough TVD to know when in the year it occurs.

1x16 (aired Mar 28), Hope goes into Malivore without having celebrated her birthday on May 2.

2x01 (aired Oct 10) begins in June, with the beginning of summer break for SBS, and runs to the beginning of the fall semester.

2x02 (aired Oct 17) is the first day of school at SBS; MFHS is already in session when Hope tracks the troll/cyclops there the same day. The Machados are new to town, yet Ethan is already QB1 and Maya is on the cheerleading squad, tryouts for which are usually late spring or summer.

2x03 (aired Oct 24) is the annual flag football game; Mac is already the sheriff. We learn early in 2x06 when Mac suspects Ric and Matt is his alibi that Matt is mayor. The election for mayor likely happened in November (between 1x04 and 1x06) with swearing in likely in January (before 1x06, and definitely before 1x09, when he’s still called sheriff)…

* Ah, the wiki’s article on S1 says:

The season's timeline starts at February 25, 2028, but recounts events as early as the fourteenth century or earlier. There are many flashbacks that recount several supernatural creatures being absorbed by Malivore. The events of season one conclude April 19, 2028, meaning that season one lasted approximately two months.

There’s just no way that S1 begins in February.

And for S2:

The season's timeline starts in June and follows the events in the fall of 2028 up til the middle of March 2029.

🤯

The whole timeline for Legacies (4 seasons lasting less than 2 years) is one giant hot mess.

Good morning

This is my coffee-deprived post that’s about to attempt to unravel the bullshit that is the Hope and the twins' timeline

Here’s everything we know, pre-retcon:

• Hope is 15 years old in season 5 of The Originals. She mentions to Roman that Lizzie said she blew up an orphanage with her brain. it’s not specified when that was said, but Hope still holds disdain for the twins, obviously. She calls the Old Mill their mean girl lair (eat. anyway)

• Hope was born on May 2, 2012. She was originally meant to be 17 when Legacies started:

• Keep in mind the start of Legacies was in February. 1x12 is set during spring break week, which is in April. So somewhere around the finale of season 1, which stretches towards May, is Hope's 18th birthday. She would be 18 by the time season 2 starts, then.

• The twins were born on March 15, 2014. They have their sixteenth birthday in season 1...obviously. Whole episode centered on this

• This is where I started getting confused because the wiki timeline says that Season 1 of Legacies is in February 2028, but if that were the case the twins would be 14, because they were born in 2014... So I dug some more and people have deduced that:

It's actually 2029? I actually think this whole thing might have been an error because everything I can find says The Originals Season 5 takes place in 2026... But maybe, since Mardi Gras is featured, that means it ended in 2027 in actuality and people just missed that when writing down dates? Idk though, because the timeline wiki says Klaus died in 2026. To me it makes sense it would've probably been March 2027, since that's when Mardi Gras is and Klaus and Elijah's deaths happened not long after that.

So assuming that Season 5 of The Originals ended in 2027 and not 2026, we know there's a 2 year jump to Legacies. So that would've made Hope 17 when Legacies starts, (because she turned 16 after Mardi Gras in The Originals).

So essentially, Hope was 15 when Klaus died, then she turned 16 not long after, then Legacies is set in 2029 where she's at first 17, then turns 18 at the end of that school year/term that we see that season. Her birthday literally falls around when she jumped into Malivore... sad. anyway

If this is true, though, and Legacies is in 2029, they still fucked up. Because the twins would've turned 15, not 16. They essentially have already retconned the twins to be only 1 year younger than Hope. I guess we're supposed to assume the Saltzmans are now born in March 2013 instead of 2014.

So, with all of this in mind, the event 'three years ago' (Lizzie says this in April in Season 1) when Josie burned Hope's room down during spring break and got their trip cancelled—

With their Season 1 retconned ages, Lizzie and Josie would've been 13 and Hope would've been 14 (going on 15 that following May). We know Hope had a crush on Josie when she was 14, but this is where it gets murky. Because the line is "I had a crush on Josie when we were 14", which implies Julie has now, in season 2, retconned all of the girls to be born in the same year instead of Hope being older. So now, if we go by that retcon, when Josie burnt down Hope's room, they were both 13. So Hope's crush would've been after that.

But if you go by the season 1 retcon then Hope's crush could've been closer to (or even on) the week of the note. We will never know

[eg515]

I thought TVD 6x01 was pretty whatever, nothing special about it, it was a filler episode, which is fine I guess, even if it's the complete opposite of TO 2x01 which aired at the same time. the last with Bonnie and Damon though? I knew they'll come back and they'll be besties, but idk what the fuck to think about that.

100% love Alaric though, and as much as I know he won't stay away, I'm happy for Stefan. honestly they should have just let Caroline join him, and they could have lived happily somewhere else maybe NOLA?

[sassenachscreencaps]

(The Vampire Diaries, 2x01 - The Return)

[tangleddd]

"Damon…" "Louise." he resorted giving her a look. She frowned again, not amused at his theatrics. "Damon, I'm serious." Louise stepped forward, her hand touching his arm gently. Damon brought his glass of alcohol to his lips and began drinking. "Talk to me." Tangled Diaries 2.01 'The Return'

[giobhan]

(via GIFER)

[zalrb]

not underrated and we talk about it a lot but ...

I’m rewatching That 70s Show and it’s a very family-oriented sitcom and it reminds me of how much I loved the Stefan, Elena, and Jeremy scene in 2x01

because of course, Stefan is so intense when he warns Jeremy against trying to become a vampire again because he could in fact die if he makes another attempt and Stefan wants to press upon Jeremy that reality

but as I’ve said in the past, there is also very much a, “do you know how much you worried your sister??” vibe to it

like, she touches his arm

and even when Elena insists that Jeremy needs a babysitter,

Stefan is rubbing her back

it’s just very Mom and Dad

[piperslovebot]

Bonnie and Dan irritated by their future spouses

[scienter]

Hey, I've been seeing some TVD stuff on your TL, feels a lil like old times. So in S8 there were a couple lines that Caroline said that sent certain members of a fandom into a frenzy (which I loved). The first being in her wedding vows when she said a part of her has been ready to marry Stefan since the first moment she first saw him, which was the truth. The other was when Caroline said "By the time I marry Stefan he'll be the man I've always loved". It was established in the pilot that Caroline had a crush on Stefan so I interpreted that as her crush never fully went away and she always harbored some sort of feelings for him even when her romantic interest was focused elsewhere. Also, I think that as their friendship and bond grew over time and their relationship evolved those feeling's grew. Your thoughts?

Agree 100%. While Caroline’s feelings for Stefan in season 1 could reasonably be described as a crush, by season 2 Caroline's feelings had deepened into love.

Stefan:  Look, Caroline, please just talk to me. Tell me how, tell me why. Please just make me understand how it is that I missed it. Caroline:  What kind of stupid question is that? Why did I have a thing for you? I don’t know Stefan, maybe because I thought you were worth having a thing for, because when I woke up as a vampire you told me that I would get through it and I did. Because when I watched Elena move on with your brother, I couldn’t imagine why she would let anyone like you go, because you were practically my best friend, because I trusted you.

“Because when I woke up as a vampire you told me that I would get through it and I did,” happened in 2x01 when Caroline was with Matt. The “because when I watched Elena move on with your brother, I couldn’t imagine why she would let anyone like you go” was in seasons 3 and 4 when Caroline dated Tyler. Caroline’s feelings for Stefan didn’t go away when she dated other guys. They were there. Caroline’s love for Stefan was always there.

[iwantyoudamon]

Delena + Jenna’s POV

Well, she’s not the plus one I’m worried about. Why is Damon coming?