#and some of it is that some of it is terfs being like

[loserdiscourse]

Breaking this post down but in a pro-trans light (this post is made by a terf, or at least is mostly reblogged by them)

your sex is literally just your body

100% agree. Your body is just your body. There's nothing wrong with it, even if you dislike it. It's ok to dislike it, but remember that it's there to keep you safe. Whatever genitals you have don't matter. Just make sure you take care of it. Work together with your body to make sure you're happy with it, whatever it may take.

it is a completely neutral biological characteristic.

Yes! Your body isn't there to hurt you, and I pray to god that you won't hurt it. (surgeries are not harming it).

nothing about your personality is incompatible with your body.

Exactly what I've been saying for a long long time. You can be a man with a vagina, ovaries, uterus, and vulva. You can be a woman with a penis, testicles, and testes. Your body does not dictate who you are as a person.

you can act/dress/behave any way you want regardless of your sex!

You can wear dresses if you're amab! You can wear pants if you're afab! Wear whatever the hell you want. Life is short, make the most of it. All those people passing by you on the street secretly judging you will be dead one day anyways.

neither your personality or body need to change!!

Men can be feminine, women can be masculine! And you know what? You don't need to get any surgeries, unless it's something you know you want.

baffling how this take has become so demonized

like op said, it's insane how conservatives and terfs are treating gender nonconformity like some horrible evil thing that should be punished. No matter what you choose to do with your body or gender, you are so valid. keep being you <3

your sex is literally just your body. it is a completely neutral biological characteristic. it says nothing about you. nothing about your personality is incompatible with your body. you can act/dress/behave any way you want regardless of your sex! neither your personality or body need to change!!

baffling how this take has become so demonized

[oleander-in-drag]

Maybe I’ve just been hanging out in the right groups, because I am genuinely surprised at the belief that trans men don’t experience targeted transphobia. As if JK Rowling’s “TERF Wars” wasn’t a thousand word slew of calling trans men confused autistic girls who don’t know how to feel about their own body. As if this was just a slightly politer form of how mask-off TERFs talk about trans men’s bodies and make disgusting comments about our anatomy and try to strip away our autonomy in the courts of law. As if a generation of trans men weren’t indoctrinated by people like Kalvin Garrah who made everyone fear transitioning in case they ended up with a tr*nny voice or botched top surgery results. As if we’re not bombarded with both the misogyny of having our thoughts and feelings infantilised and patronised and the misandry of being told we hate ourselves, that we’re traitors to our sex or that we’re mutilating our “pure, female bodies”. As if our history isn’t completely erased by people insisting that all trans men have historically just been women escaping the patriarchy.

Yes, our experiences with being trans overlap with trans women, non-binary people, etc. but some of our experiences and forms of discrimination are specific to us and they’re no more or less valid than anyone else’s. We have “male privilege” only when people decide to invalidate our experiences by claiming we have it better than others, and we’re women when people want to pass laws on how to control our bodies.

[ooglywooglies]

on a terf block spree and i literally saw one be like "TIF gay fetishizers all think theyre gonna be sexy hot boy twink anime yaoi guys but theyre gonna actually get fat and hairy and get acne like an icky man" like maybe some of them feel that way but bro, the doctor tells you youre gonna be gross and hairy and for people like me thats the appeal, i dont wanna be a hot yaoi man i was never gonna be that maybe i WANNA be a fat middle aged bald uncle with back hair

but also, way to let everyone know that you dont believe in body positivity like i thought you were a feminist why are you perpetuating this idea that being fat or hairy or having acne is something to be ashamed of

you people really think we dont know better when you cant get hormones without the doctor telling you what to expect, the doctor tells you youre gonna get butt hair and that youre gonna stink and youre gotta get a big clit that looks like a baby dick and we STILL want it

[aishabellasbigblogofeverything]

I love it when women hate men. I love it when women are allowed to vent to each other about how horrible and creepy men are. I love it when women form friendships with and prioritize each other over relationships with men(whether they're attracted to them or not). I love it when women put men dni in their bios and on their nude photos and on posts on their blogs. I love it when women refuse to mollycoddle and accommodate entitled male feelings with "but this doesn't mean I hate all men, I know a few men who are great, I love my father/sons/brothers/uncles/male cousins/guy friends" I love it when women complain about men WITHOUT "not all men" being a disclaimer. I love it when women avoid socializing with/refuse to be around/befriend/get close to men because they know men can't be trusted. I love it when women make "kill all men" jokes. I love it when women offer absolutely no concern or care for men's feelings and if their misandry offends men whatsoever because why should we, men are the oppressor class who have raped and killed and abused us and kept us as subjugated as second-class citizens for millennia, they regularly mistreat us and the women in their own marginalized communities still every single day and make this world so much harder and more awful for us to be in, and if we choose to hate them and not spare them any sympathy then so be it, and I don't just mean "men as a class" either, you can be a woman who doesn't want to have anything to do with any man on an individual basis and completely cuts off men from her personal life too and ykw I will love and fucking support you in that because men deserve absolutely NOTHING from us. If they're so tough and strong then they can handle it just like they can handle being lonely. If you are a woman who hates men, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE A LESBIAN AND/OR A TRANS WOMAN, then just know that I love you. I love you, I support you, and you are safe here.

[citrusraindrops]

I realise I'm not the intended recipient of this post, but you posted it, so here's some GC 101.

TERFs/Gender critical people don't police gender. They think it doesn't matter, and that it shouldn't matter. They want to abolish it.

We can agree– the concept of 'gender', meaning the socially constructed roles forced on men and women, is useless and harmful. It's meaningless how long your hair is, or whether you like pink or blue, or if you like romance movies and wine or fishing and drinking beer. Those things are arbitrarily connected with whether you're a man or a woman, and those arbitrary connections, which do far more harm than good, should be completely ignored, so that people can be free to do what they want.

Now, if gender doesn't mean anything, what's left? Sex. And sex means a lot. Because one of the sexes is, on average, taller, and stronger, and more sexually aggressive, and can impregnate, and the other is smaller and physically weaker and can be impregnated and receives the overwhelming majority of sexual violence. So there's a good reason for sex segregation to exist; or, at least, for female-only spaces to exist.

But, according to what GC feminists think, sex is the only thing that matters. So, a body-building woman– completely fine, more power to her (although they might critique the heavy focus on appearances/disordered eating present in the bodybuilding community). A man with a baby face? Completely normal human variation. He's still male, and he's still a man. A woman with a beard? Well, that's out of the ordinary, but some women (female) do have hormonal disorders that cause facial hair to grow, and they shouldn't feel like they have to change how they look just because of what society thinks (most RadFems are rabidly anti-shaving for that reason).

"But!!" you say. "The TERFs DO police gender! They criticise trans people for how they act and dress and look just because it's not in line with the gender expectations of their sex!"

Well, that's somewhat true. A lot of radical feminists dislike and are heavily critical of the way trans people –especially trans males– present. But that's not because they're breaking gender roles: As established, GC's are for that. It's because, to a gender critical perspective, these males are acting like their conformity to the roles and expectations used to oppress women makes them women. They're acting like being feminine makes you female. And to GC's who are dedicated to showing the opposite –that female does NOT mean femininity– this is a deeply offensive, reductionist and harmful view.

So, when GC's criticise a transwoman for wearing makeup or skirts or false eyelashes, they are criticising not the break from the expectations imposed on people based on sex, but the use of these things to evidence the claim that he is a woman.

The people who police your gender will police your gender even if you're cis.

Eat them.

[severalowls]

Oh my god people swearing off shinigami eyes because they think its "too far" to flag trans people being transmisogynist. You guys are not beating the allegations under any circumstances. You are going to immediately start cluelessly reblogging from terfs again because your "vibes" sense is demonstrably terrible at identifying basic dogwhistles.

[pokemonranch]

//Sorry for interrupting Adoption Sundays, but something happened and I need to talk about it publicly.

Apparently, an alt-right blog has been reposting my (pokemon) art without my knowledge. They have NO relationship with me or my main blog, and I have already blocked and reported them.

Most of my art seems to have been deleted from there after I went through the appropriate hoops to do so, but while combing through their blog I saw they interacted as well with other Pokeblr RP blogs such as @pokemonshelterstories unfortunately. You might want to block and check if they reposted your art as well.

Suffice to say, I am pro-palestine, pro LGTB and would never condone any transphobic, racist or misogynistic behavior

Blog and @ under the cut.

Don't interact with the blog, harass them or anything of the like. Block, Report them for Hate speech and move on

They post a TON of content to hide the reposts and the bigotry. I don't recommend searching through the blog directly but through looking for your @ or image search

Thank you @spooky-enthusiast for letting me know all of this

[cadaverette]

it really gets to me that the most elementary feminist takes are met with so much more vitriol by self-described progressives than they were just 10 years ago

[illnessfaker]

you hopped on a post about disabled life being worth living in the context of a society where people in wheelchairs get offered MAiD instead of ramps to come up with a specific context in which "disabled life is worth living" is weaponized in favor of fighting against reproductive autonomy and now you're bringing up TERFs for some reason; you have proved exactly nothing here aside from your capacity to open your mouth to give your opinion when you have no idea what is actually being discussed and then feel smug about it after the fact for some reason like you've "connected the dots" when there weren't any dots to connect there in the first place, it's just that you're choosing interpret this situation in the worst faith possible and reading things into this post that aren't actually there

disabled people are worth whatever cost or resources is needed to keep them alive. disabled people are worth it even if they don't live long. they're worth it even if they will need extra support and resources for every day of their life. they're worth it even if they spend all they life indoors. none of it is wasted. none of it is in vain. time, effort, money, resources spent on a life are not wasted. these things have served their purpose. the joy of someone's existence is not undermined by not lasting forever. there's no meaningful point, some threshold where you can say "okay this is enough. after that it's not worth it." it's always worth it.

[hella1975]

it's been pointed out on here before that a lot of terf arguments are actually rooted in sexist idealology that feminists fought and died to unnormalise decades ago and that's its own kettle of fish but one thing i also find very frustrating about this so called 'radical' feminism is that it's so... defeatist? like the moment you categorically label an entire section of society as Bad and Inherently Evil then there's also the implication that nothing can be done about it, and it completely takes all accountability away. saying all men are evil is just another way of saying boys will be boys. he raped her because he's a man. he hit her because he's a man. he didn't listen because he's a man - it's almost offensively oversimplified. there's no point trying to fix this issue in society because men are just Like That, okay! so now what? it's not like they're going anywhere, so you just accept that 50% of the population are evil and will forever treat you terribly and there's nothing to be done about it bc they're biologically predisposed to it? like is that fr the argument here? you're soooo radical for that

[cringefail-loser]

you are completely missing the point of the original tweet. She is not mad that there aren't other women in the dressing room, she's mad that she's not being treated the same as the other women in the dressing room. You have no proof that she's "getting off" to trying on bras or to being treated like a cis woman. It's very very clear that she simply wants to try on a bra, an experience that most cis girls get to have at a young age.

"[She] could’ve ordered online. It takes 30 seconds to measure yourself.

If you have breasts, you know how hard it is to order a well-fitting bra online. You usually have to buy a couple in a few different sizes, just to find the right one. It's not an easy process! My chest is on the smaller side, and it's still difficult to find the right one. Also, not to mention the experience that comes with bra-shopping in person! It's fun to go to the store and look at all the bras and find the right one for you that comes in your size and is in your favourite colour.

"Real women don't get upset that there's no one else in the Victoria's Secret changing rooms."

If you read the tweet, you'd notice that the woman who made it had to wait for the staff to remove all the women from the changing room. It's not like there just so happened to be no other women in the dressing room, they quite literally isolated her from the other women. Also, I'm sure that if you were forced to be away from the rest of the women in the changing room for no apparent reason, you would get upset too.

"I mean can you even imagine how fucking awkward that situation was for the women [she’s] sexually harassing and [she] doesn’t ever stop and go what the fuck am I doing?"

Oh I'm sure she knew how awkward it was. Imagine being ostracized for that, being called out for being trans in front of a bunch of people who probably didn't care in the first place. This same situation could happen just the same to a cis woman with a deep voice and a more masculine facial shape and build. You all would complain about how misogynistic it is for the VS staff to treat a woman like that. And you know what? It was already misogynistic! This trans woman could have just as likely been a cis woman with masculine features, and the staff had decided to separate her from everyone else just because of her features. THEY QUITE LITERALLY ASSUMED SHE WAS A TRANS WOMAN JUST BECAUSE OF NON-FEMININE FEATURES.

"Also as usual how does [she] know those women are 'cis'?"

You're right! She has no proof that these women in the changing rooms are cis women. But neither did the staff. As said previously, they just decided that she's trans, simply because she "looked like it". You terfs are always the ones to say "we can always tell", but here you are admitting that you can't just always tell. You ADMITTED that some trans women look like how society expects cis women to look.

"Maybe they just thought [she] was your run of the mill male predator?"

If they genuinely thought that, they probably would have kicked her out for being "creepy". But that didn't happen. They understood that she was there just to shop for a bra, but didn't want to let her in for whatever reason. (Most likely transphobia, but y'all always write that off as something that's not real, so I'm not even going to bother entertaining that idea.)

Non-Tumblr users weren't kidding when they said that you all have piss-poor reading comprehension.

[spitblaze]

If you think the rise of fascism in younger generations can be even partially attributed to the left being too mean to men you might just be kind of stupid

[steakout-05]

i might get some hate for this depending on where this post goes but i think lesboys are so valid and the discourse about them is so ridiculous. like you guys shouldn't have to deal with all that and it frustrates me that people throw hissy fits over an identity that literally does not affect them at all.

"but men cant be lesbians-" wrong. butch lesbians and trans men have a really closely connected history with each other that practically intersects and you should really do some research on that before you make blanket statements, not to mention that gender and sexuality is weird and wobbly and fluid and a very personal experience. it means a different thing to each person. being a man can be something completely different and saying stuff like this ignores people like demiboys, demigirls, genderfluid and genderflux people etc. these people will really preach "demolish the gender binary!! love is love!!" until someone's relationship with gender and sexuality is a little too freaky for them to handle and be challenged by lmaoo

"ohhh but what about the cishet men who say they're lesbians to prey on women-" YEAH WHAT ABOUT THEM????? THIS AIN'T ABOUT THEM BRO!!!!! this argument also REEKS of terfy "trans women are just predatory men!!!111!!1" rhetoric and it grosses me out. yeah some men are gross and do try to pull this but that does not negate someone's entire identity completely just because of a few bad actors, you know that right? actual black and white behaviour.

queer discourse is silly and i don't know why it's a thing. just let people exist. it isn't that hard. we have worse things to worry about than whether someone calls themselves a lesboy or not. i think we need to unplug our ears and yank our heads out of the sand and remember that the queer community is what it is because of our unique and amazing diversity. arguing over labels like school children isn't gonna help that. damn.

[menlove]

as a card carrying terf I don’t think trans ppl are disgusting and neither does any radfem i’ve ever met, vast majority of us dgaf about trans people specifically; we want single-sex spaces to exist and btw trans people need those single-sex spaces too. trans women deserve to have spaces for Just trans women and cis women deserve spaces with Just cis women etc etc. i highly recommend doing some actual research into radical feminism instead of repeating the "theyre all conservatives who hate gnc people and find trans people disgustinf and want to kill them" that is simply not true lmao. you may be surprised a what you learn! sincerely a gnc lesbian and proud radfem

I have in fact done much research into radical feminism babe! trust me I have spent hours in yalls spaces! and you simply cannot speak for every single terf just as I can't speak for every trans person. you can't say "come on NO ONE IS SAYING-" just like I can't say that either. do you know every terf? have you seen every blog? have you been a trans person (particularly a trans woman) on the internet trying to just exist in peace? no? then you don't get to say "no terf is SAYING-" because yes, a lot of you are!

"no terf thinks trans people are disgusting" cool so when I was 19 and hadn't touched testosterone a day in my life and had she/they in my bio one of you coming into my ask going "I can tell by looking at you that you'll never be a woman lmfao" bc I'm latine w a shitton of body hair and non-eurocentric features, THAT was out of love for ✨women✨.

when yall (not you specifically but your group you associate with) get on twitter and pick apart the selfies women post telling them they're ugly and following it up by saying you KNOW they're "men" and it turns out 9/10 you've just harassed a cis woman who just doesn't meet eurocentric beauty standards, that's so totally cool and awesome and out of love for cis women and a want for separate spaces right?

when yall go into trans people's asks and tell us to kill ourselves, call us pedophiles, call us rapists, call us ugly... that shit just doesn't happen, right? and yes I'm Aware yall get death and rape threats too. you shouldn't, it's gross on both sides, but really it's not proving your point here.

it's fucking infuriating. you're infuriating. because radical feminism could be something worthwhile (and funnily enough I've met a lot of older ex radfem lesbians who have veered away from it bc of how fucking vitrolic yall are towards trans people). but instead, it is steeped and inseparable from the mire of hatred and disgust that you parrot. you don't give a single shit about women, whatever sex.

I'm an assigned female at birth lesbian who has only ever slept with other people with vaginas (consensually anyway). I can't tell you the amount of hate I've gotten from yall. just for being trans. even though I meet your definition of being a woman and being a lesbian. it doesn't matter because your hatred for people you deem as degenerate outweighs actually fucking advocating for feminism.

I'm not even going to argue with you on how useless single sex spaces actually are bc despite their best attempts there's always going to be problems (namely: fun fact cis women can be awful too AND how the fuck are you going to check and enforce this rule? what is your end goal?).

but what I AM going to say is no, sorry, that's NOT what a lot of you think. that's what YOU think. that's why YOU'RE a terf. but actually fucking look at the people around you. go on a trans person's blog or twitter who's receiving harassment and fucking try and tell me it's to promote "uwu safe spaces" like.... be fucking serious with me right now lmfao

you're not conservatives! but you are a bunch of fucking assholes who care more about harassing trans people than building a feminism that might actually have teeth. if you're using those teeth to attack a group more vulnerable than you, you're just an aggressor.

tldr you don't speak for all of them, go fuck yourself, etc

[aromanticannibal]

Be careful to read the guidelines too

(sorry, I'm not used to writing IDs, I hope this is fine)

[ID start] We try to be conservative when marking a page one way or the other. Do not flag unless you're reasonably confident about your decision.

Not enough to mark as anti-trans Being a conservative, a SWERF, a bad or mediocre ally, ace-phobic, being concerned with "free speech" and giving voice to "both sides".

[Example post 1] Abigail

"Sex work", BDSM and p*rn are ways of the patriarchy to indoctrinate you, silly liberal handmaids.

Being a SWERF, a conservative, ace-phobic or racist. While these traits are despicable (and also common among anti-trans people), the focus of this dataset is specifically on anti-trans hatred. Also, don't tag as anti-trans just because someone likes an anti-trans page whose main focus is not anti-trans hatred.

[Example post 2] Grandma

If someone is transgendered, I think we should respect them, even if they used to be a boy, no matter their lifestyle choices. That's what Jesus taught us.

Reasonably benevolent ignorance, incorrect terms. When in doubt, assume good faith and don't tag someone or some page as anti-trans just because they're uninformed, a mediocre ally, post problematic jokes, or don't take a stance.

[Example post 3] The Freedom Report

In this new interview, we asked radical feminist Germaine Greer what she thinks about gender ID laws.

Being concerned with "free speech", "political correctness" or giving a platform to "both sides" While this is an excuse often used by conservatives, it's not anti-trans per se. Assume good faith. Also, don't mark criticism/hatred of trans people that is not linked to their being trans (eg. "Manning is a traitor of our country").

Mark as anti-trans "Protecting womyn's spaces", alt-right transphobia, restriction or opposition to gender-affirming care and enby-phobia.

[Example post 4] Abigail

We must protect women's spaces from the female erasure that TIMs want to impose upon us.

Using common anti-trans dog-whistles "Protecting women's spaces", "Female/lesbian erasure", "terf is a slur", "trans-identified-(fe)male", "TRAs" are all very frequent dog-whistles among anti-trans people. Nevertheless, beware of the laundering of anti-trans positions through language that merely sounds progressive ("AFAB spaces", "AMAB-socialized", or advocating against HRT on the grounds of it being "assimilationist")

[Example post 5] Racist Frog

More degeneracy from the liberal snowflakes. Have they decided which of the 72 genders they identify as today?

Common anti-trans strawman arguments However, tag "identify-as-helicopter"-style jokes only if the context is anti-trans (since they are also sometimes used by mediocre/problematic allies). Generic anti-LGBT pages can also be tagged as anti-trans (eg. pride parade = degeneracy), as well as obvious false flags and troll identities that, if popularized, would make discussions about actual transphobia harder to articulate ("AFAB trans woman").

[Example post 6] Tiffany

Nowadays it's trendy to say you're trans, they're just heterosexual males that hurt our cause. You're either male or female - stop. Also, it's perfectly fine to respect the spaces of biological women.

I'm not a transphobe but… If a person is a self-declared "not a transphobe" only towards trans people who are not visibly trans, are heterosexual, post-op and/or "don't fight for their rights too aggressively", still mark them as anti-trans. Nevertheless, mean words that are used to communicate perceived problems within the trans community (tenderqueer, theyfab, transmed/truscum...) are out of scope.

Not enough to mark as trans-friendly Being transgender, having some decent minimum standard like "hurting people = bad", or supporting the overall LGBT community.

[Example post 7] Julie

My endocrinologist told me I should switch to gel or patches. Thoughts?

Being transgender Don't assume someone is not transphobic just because they are trans or non-binary themselves. Try not to treat people differently just because of their gender, age or orientation.

[Example post 8] Your Average Feminist Page

Another trans woman has been found killed in Texas. This violence must really end.

Condemning physical violence Being against people being killed or raped is, for most people, a very low bar of expectations, even if they're very conservative or religious. It's true that most conservatives will simply avoid posting anything at all, but err on the safe side and don't tag as t-friendly.

[Example post 9] Your Average LGBT Page

We must all stand against homophobia and transphobia, and support gay, lesbian, bi and trans people.

Condemning "homophobia and transphobia", supporting "LGBT" Many people just really think of "gays and lesbians" when they say "LGBT", and they can still be biphobic or transphobic. Don't tag as t-friendly unless a post is *specifically* talking about trans people.

Mark as trans-friendly Openly supporting the transgender community or calling out transphobia.

[Example post 10] Adria

Shoutout to trans folks who feel hopeless in the current political climate ❤

Openly supporting trans or non-binary people, calling out transphobia (and transmisogyny within the community itself), advocating for access to gender-affirming healthcare.

[end ID]

what with the current Stuff happening, i figured i should remind everyone to download shinigami eyes here (for chrome, firefox, and firefox nightly on android) and to continue to flag transphobic and trans friendly pages!!! you can do that by right clicking on a link to the page you want to mark and selecting shinigami eyes -> mark as anti-trans/t-friendly . lets help keep the internet safe for our trans siblings!!! also it would be really fucking funny if we could get m*tt flagged as transphobic

[gorillawithautism]

we should not, in fact, bring back man-hating feminism

like you can say your post isn't a safe place for radfems and terfs all you want but you specifically said we should bring back man-hating feminism

man-hating feminism hates trans women of color first and foremost.

man-hating feminism hates muslim men, trans men, intersex people. and i say this again, most of all, man-hating feminism hates trans women of color more than anyone. (more on this point)

we do not need to bring that back. the idea of bringing that back should sicken you. it should anger you. it should be unthinkable that you would support that.