#alternate timeline theory

[real-time-twilight]

So, I'm listening to episode 42 of @threebooksoneplot and @volturialice says that Alice (and really Edward) going to Volterra, meeting Aro and Aro finding out about their powers leads to the events of Breaking Dawn.

This got me thinking: how does the story go of Edward never went to the Volturi?

So let's say the mix up doesn't happen, Alice calls the fam and tells them it's okay, Bella's alive, false alarm. Edward eventually comes back, Eclipse still happens but the Volturi aren't aiding and abetting because they don't know that Alice and Edward are subjects of interest. Perhaps they even take out Victoria's army themselves. But none of the leaders are there personally. This would potentially lead to the Volturi squad finding out about Bella, and Jane Obviously isn't hesitant about meting out punishment. She probably would have attempted to kill Bella, which would lead to a fight and the Cullens likely reduced and/or now fugitives from the law.

If Alice steps forward like she does in New Moon, Jane MIGHT be convinced enough (possibly with Alec's intercession) to report back and either drag the Cullens to Italy or have Aro come there personally.

We get the same end result as New Moon.

If the Cullens somehow manage to hide Bella's involvement and pass Victoria's campaign against them as a simple vendetta over her overly aggressive mate being killed in a territorial dispute (perhaps James didn't take kindly to being asked not to hunt near forks?) And the Volturi squad are satisfied with that, then things proceed into Breaking Dawn per usual.

Edward and Bella get married. They fuck. Bella still gets pregnant. Laurent is still dead, Irina is still bitter and decides to come and apologise. She still sees Renesmee, she still reports it to the Volturi.

Probably Aro goes personally, likely with Caius because he loves to set people on fire, but this is a more legitimate mission of justice because he doesn't know about Alice and Edward, but he sure as hell finds out then.

The ending is still essentially the same.

[waywardsou2]

(credits to @lucrezianoin for the video)

(Latching onto their post because I had something I needed to say)

My theory here is that look of surprise on Viktor's face is because Jayce hasn't ever made it this far, at least not in once peice.

Part of me thinks that this whole time he's been watching Jayce since he can jump multiverses or somehow knew where Jayce was at in the timeline of events he knew were to come in this timeline.

But for whatever reason Jayce never made it this far, he never made it to Piltover to find him and be able to learn what he needed to to succeed. This is the first time Viktor has seen Jayce in a form that wasn't "perfect, dead or dying.

He very well knew who was knelt in front of his Jayce but even still his eyes widen and flicker, his mouth falls open and he takes a pause that I don't think was for the dramatic effect on his part.

This is the first time he's seen Jayce whole in a few multiversal millenia.

And not to mention Jayce, his face of disbelief and probable realisation that everything up to this point had somehow always been connected to Viktor, that even from the beginning it was Viktor who set him on the path of his obsession with the arcane and anything magical.

His whole face softens, he was tired, he was confused, he was angry. And some part of him probably blamed this mage. If he hadn't been given the crystal, he wouldn't have perused magic, Viktor wouldn't have been caught up in all of this and maybe they could have just been professors together at the academy. But then it turns out that it was Viktor, it somehow was always Viktor

Also, that fact that both of their pupils dilate slightly which happens when looking at something you love. It's not like it was the light or anything they are both very well lit up with bright eyes. They are looking at the person they hold most dearest.

Jayce knows if he fails, he loses Viktor, he loses his life and he risks the lives of many others

Viktor knows that if things haven't worked out in the correct order, he is doomed to watch himself and Jayce tear each other apart all over again.

This also means that Viktor has seen infinite outcomes where Viktor and Jayce have not been able to save each other and that this one. These exact events, were the only thing in all of the multiverse that ended up being the good ending, where Viktor wasn't left alone with his glorious purpose and Jayce didn't wind up dead. This and only this timeline was the way things could work out without one of them getting hurt or lost.

I also want to say that this probably created a paradox. Mage Viktor only exists because Jayce and Viktor used the Arcane to unlock the multiverse. But mage Viktor had to exist in some timeline before hextech to be able to find Jayce and fix the other timelines.

And the other timelines only exist because Viktor was trying to save them, but if he had never given Jayce the crystal or saved him then the other timelines may have never suffered, he did this because he couldn't fathom the idea of a universe where he never got to meet Jayce. It was almost as if he didn't like the thought of any of his counterparts never having met Jayce...if that isn't heartbreaking, I don't know what it

And I have a question about Mage Viktor's actions...why? It's not like Marvel where fixing his timeline will fix all timelines. Jayce was only able to save his timeline and Ekko was only able to keep the other timeline from falling apart by leaving. So why did he feel the need to try and fix all the other timelines?

Because he loved Jayce, I think. And he never wanted there to be a timeline where they never met. he needed his counterparts to know what it was like to be in Jayce's presence, he needed to know that he could be loved and that he could love in return. He needed them to understand that. But so many...too many of them didn't

[destinyesque]

[sapphiresaphics]

^^^———

I’m P.O’d because I spent 10 mins writing a response only to find they’ve blocked me. So I’m gonna do it anyway here. Let’s go!

So the reason the AU is different is because of the different circumstances of the explosion. In OUR universe the kids set off the explosion and run away. They become fugitives who stole from Piltover and blew up a building. They become low level terrorists in the eyes of Piltover.

But in the AU universe, Vi dies. The kids don’t get away. Marcus finds them crying and mourning her death. The story becomes not as mini terrorists, but as poor kids trying to survive brutalized by the negligence of Jayce (and by extension Piltover). Vi dying here becomes a wake-up call to police themselves better and to help the poor of the undercity.

And let’s not forget Heimerdinger too. He was transported into this universe 3 years before Ekko was and by his own admission has achieved wonderful things here. Given that he’s more connected to helping the undercity because of Ekko, it’s not really much of a stretch to assume that his influence helped shape the AU to become a much better place. That he frequents the Last Drop and knows the kids there is evidence of this.

Powder isn’t cured of her psychosis either. While she doesn’t have the negative catalyst of killing her family and being slapped and name-called by Vi that sets her off into becoming Jinx, she’s still struggling with the loss of Vi in the AU. Vander says as much to her. She may have had healthier coping mechanisms to get her through losing Vi, but she’s still refusing to move on despite how brilliant and smart she is.

Silco knew who the kids were. In our universe the explosion and blame on the kids gives him the opportunity to take Vander down because at this time Silco sees Vander as keeping Zaun from achieving its ultimate goal. But in the AU, the blame for the explosion is on Zaun. This would be a perfect opportunity to reach out to Vander and work with him to champion for the rights of Zaun. So while it’s nice to think that the letter helped bridge the gap, I don’t think that was the only thing that did it. I think Vi dying caused him to reach out.

And finally, there’s no Jayce. He either died in the explosion, was expelled, or killed himself for causing what happened. Either way, without him to champion the idea of Hextech, nobody else is around to MAKE Hextech. That seems pretty straightforward to me.

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It’s amazing how this initial two paragraph “arcane critical” post requires SO MUCH unpacking. Their ignorance and refusal to see beyond the surface of the show results in them glossing over SO MUCH STUFF that to properly address it all I need to write 6 full paragraphs to explain each point! It’s SO reductive to take this AU and simplify it into “Vi dying is why it’s better.” That’s not wha the show is presenting, and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to piece to clues together.

[killouzz]

I just found out that when I invert the colours I use for Killer and Nightmare that their colours basically SWITCH

It’s just giving me more reasons to ship them😂💀

[bisexualcroissant]

realising that in the alt timeline there's no hextech bec vi died, but also because jayce likely went through with jumping off that ledge because viktor never stopped him there. and jayvik's bond never develops because again viktor never stops jayce from jumping and vice versa jayce can never do the same for viktor.

realising that ekko and heimerdinger were sent to the alt timeline because they were both alive there. whereas jayce wasn't because in that world without hextech, he was most likely not alive. instead jayce was flung across time to the far future in a timeline where vi didn't die and he and viktor developed hextech, because only in this timeline is future viktor able to realise the consequence of what he'd done and thus kickstart the chain of events that would get jayce to help him destroy it and show current viktor the price he'd pay by pursuing perfection.

in a weird way it's almost relieving to know that even in this "ideal" alternative timeline where everyone seems so much happier and zaun a much better place to live, all of this good stuff came with its costs. losing vi (a necessity to show the cost of the hextech), a world without jayce (no development of hextech—either he successfully jumped, gave up on his plans, or imprisoned after the accident), and possibly a viktor whose life would be shorter (but then again maybe not, because no jinx, no attack). plus jayce and viktor's bond would never develop in this timeline, and they would never be able to save each other there.

which is why jayce was sent to the post-evolution wasteland future instead. because in that timeline he stayed alive to develop the hextech that would go onto be used for machine herald viktor's evolution et cetera. it's crazy how intertwined jayvik's lives are, across timelines, across dimensions. future viktor giving child-jayce the key to stopping the evolution, jayce who would grow up to meet viktor, viktor who would stop jayce from jumping off the ledge, jayce who would stop viktor from doing the same, both necessities to keep pursuing their work, thus leading into machine herald viktor, with jayce being the only person in any possible world who could stop him.

in some strange way it almost makes it easier to stomach that the main timeline (the timeline in which the events of arcane takes place) is so flawed and fucked up, because even that seemingly much happier, more peaceful world came with a very heavy price.

[soupdwelling]

so there is still a potential gap in reality at the hilltop center right. especially if this is theoretically the/an universe the Fears were transferred to from the tma universe, plus it’s possible the gap is constant across all infinite universes. And we know it’s possible to pass between universes through hilltop road because of mag 114 and mag 200 obviously. so… what if when they go to the hilltop center, alice (because i’m still convinced she’s fucked) but also sam or even celia fall through and end up either back in the tma universe or in a completely different universe

also this is related but separate and completely unlikely considering that jon and martin appear to be trapped in the computers but could you imagine if alice fell through the gap in reality and ended up in the somewhere else universe with mag 200 jon and martin,,

[vladdyissues]

I believe that the only reason Vlad and Maddie didn't have children in Masters of All Time is it would raise a heavy moral conundrum that the writers didn't want to tackle in a kids show.

Because if that door had opened up and Danny had seen Vlad and Maddie's kids, he'd have to deal with the terrible fact that by trying to fix his own timeline, he'd be erasing his own half-siblings from existence. Not to mention Vlad and Maddie's relationship, their happiness, the life they'd built together. Still ridiculously in love after 20+ years.

Maddie would undoubtedly love her and Vlad's children just as much as she loves Danny and Jazz in their own timeline, and there's no question how much Vlad would cherish his kids.

And supposing that Vlad couldn't father children for some reason, I think he'd be completely on board with adoption. (So even if Danny wasn't wiping people out of existence, he'd be denying them a loving home and family.) The absence of children is just downright baffling, given the evidence we've seen of Vlad's character. The man was dying for a family, desperate to love and be loved. (See: Maternal Instincts, Secret Weapons, Kindred Spirits.)

But no offspring meant no "loose ends" to deal with, no baggage, no sticky moral conflicts. Because Danny would certainly be conflicted by a situation in which he had to unmake his half-siblings. In Kindred Spirits we saw how he hadn't wanted to harm Danielle, who was essentially his own DNA assembled by Vlad; by this same principle, I don't think he'd want to hurt his half-siblings, even if they were made by worst enemy.

If the writers had shown Vlad and Maddie happily married with kids, if the audience had sympathized with Vlad, then Danny would be the villain for wanting to rip that family apart.

(Also, they had to show Vlad doing a complete 180 and going full Evil Diabolical Villain with a side order of Lying Husband at the end of the episode, just to reinforce the idea that This Guy Is And Always Will Be The Bad Guy And Don't You Forget It.)

[anon55mystery]

SPOILERS IF YOU DIDN'T READ THE BOOK OF BILL OR JOURNAL 3!!!!

🤔If Mabel actually did give Bill the journal what could've happened next?

Could've Dipper's ghost blame Mabel for choosing a guy over him? Did Dipper's ghost disown Mabel as his sister for being too self centered?

Did Dipper's mom (I believe Dipper has a closer relationship with his mom, than his dad) and Shermie hate and blame Stan for his constant teasing which they believe is what led "Dipper" to do the unthinkable? Did that led them disown Stan and forbid him from seeing them again?

Has Mabel began a relationship with Gabe? Or was she too full of guilt for losing her brother?

Did, Bill possessed Gabe, so he can eventually possess Mabel so he can destroy her too?

(Feel free to share your thoughts on what happened in this timeline, and please credit me if you do an, au fanfic or comic based on my post.)

[snakes-of-the-undercity]

Arcane Rant -

Rewatching arcane and I realized something; first scenes of episode 3 are a turning point. Not just in the whole ‘establishing Silco’ business, but because if Vander had truly ended up in Stillwater there’s a good chance Vi would have been the one taken in by Silco.

Vi would have blamed herself for his imprisonment, leaving her vulnerable in a similar way to how powder was, but she would have also become something different; greater.

She would have had to maintain some level of sanity in order to be a parent to Powder and a leader to the rest of the kids. Silco’s attack on Vander actually cost him more than he gained in the end, he could have had Vi and Jinx, maybe even Ekko, but he lost all that because of his vengeance and I think that’s the great thing about his character; his failure, flaw, is that he is too opportunistic, too much of an idealist.

That’s why he’s the perfect foil to another character I lowkey hate; Heimerdinger. Heimerdinger is not opportunistic, and that costs him so much; he’s not idealistic, rather he’s cynical and that leads him to believe that there’s only one option for progress.

Silco and Heimerdinger are each others parallel, instead of Heimerdinger and Singed/Silco and Jayce as I originally thought

Back to my original thing though -

Basically the first scene of episode 3 changes the whole narrative. Silco originally wanted to take Vi rather than Powder and he only took Powder because he had no other option. The original plan was for Vi to become ‘Jinx’, for her to become the next iteration of Vander leadership but with Silco’s ideals; instead we got Jinx the unwitting revolutionary, the embodiment of a weapon.

Silco doomed the undercity through his own quest for revenge and I think that’s super fitting and might be a bit of foreshadowing for the coming season (Vi & the underground theory truther right here)

[unicronian]

how do you make a plot hole in your story so big that the fan theories to fix it sound like this

[wrongroadbuddy]

Let me just say this:

Undertale fandom got popular cause of sans, the fanarts and his battle music had very much help to that as well.

This lead sans' fangirls making sans remember every timeline, idk probably for angst and sad fanarts.

But here's the thing: undertale fandom grows bigger thinking sans know every timeline while in real game, it's flowey who knew. He had different lines if you decide to turn toriel to dust more than once, he specifically talked to the player in an ending.

Yes sans can manipulate time and all, but he still doesn't make any remark to KNOWING every timelines, he only makes remarks about KNOWING ABOUT resets. That means he is aware of the human's resets, that he is in a loop but that doesnt mean he remembers every timeline.

And for many sans still remains knowing every single reset while people ignore and forget about flowery, who LITERALLY has mentioned resets, made remarks to the player, he is the person (flower) that starts and ends the game. (The tutorial and the end battle)

[jayz4dayz]

RWBY Volume 9 Was A Total Missed Opportunity:

Putting this out there right now. Volume 9 is by far my favorite volume of RWBY for many reasons which I will not be addressing in this post, but there are a few things that have been on my mind since it's been released where I feel the storyline went wrong and could have been something so much more meaningful for the character's story arcs and development.

Starting off with our main man or should I say our old man Jaune Arc. His presence throughout Vol. 9 felt out of place not just for his character, but also the way his development was handled didn't feel right in the slightest. Becoming a crazy old crackpot because he foolishly made bad decision after bad decision, completely altering and undoing a lot of his character's timeline, and turning into this sort of secondary antagonist for Team RWBY made no sense to me. The way he said so many out of pocket things throughout the different episodes, including completely crossing a line with Ruby and being insensitive towards her mental and emotional condition instead of showing genuine concern like he normally would have, made me cringe to where I wasn't enjoying what I was watching anymore. Not in a good way!

Here's how I would have done it:

Going back to the very end of volume 8 where we see Jaune running towards the portal and barely missing it by mere inches, followed by seeing him fall into the dark abyss and joining the same fate as Team RWBY and Neo. Instead of that, we see him jumping through the portal at the very last second and making it to Vacuo by the skin of his teeth. The others see him and question why he's alone and where Team RWBY was, only for him to go "Uh..." and then the screen cuts to black and the credits start rolling.

We're gonna skip the three year hiatus and jump right into the beginning of Vol. 9 where only Team RWBY and Neo have fallen into the Ever After. For the first few episodes leading up to the reveal of the Rusted Knight, I don't think much needs to change except for the fact that they won't ever encounter Jaune, but they will still encounter the Rusted Knight who, in this version, is someone that would have had the entire fandom shook to their core when the big reveal of the Rusted Knight's identity happened: Pyrrha.

Now, how would she get to this point, you might ask? Well, remember when she got pierced by Cinder's Arrow and her body seemed to disintegrate? This scene:

This death compared to all the other characters who were killed off was unique in the fact that there was no body left behind and it almost appeared her energy was transported to another place. Hmm, perhaps another realm such as the In Between or the Ever After? Why this happened, in my opinion, was because of the use of someone else's semblance. We know very little about Pyrrha's family and have only seen her mother on screen once, so we don't know much about her backstory or semblance either. However, if her semblance worked anything like Raven's to where she needed to be attached to someone in order for her semblance to work and transfer her loved ones to a safer location to escape a deadly threat, now we have something. What if her mom's semblance transported the body to another realm of her choice right before the moment of death? (I like to call it a "divine intervention" semblance.) If that's the case, then why wouldn't it make sense for a mother's love to send her daughter somewhere familiar and (relatively) safe and still accessible to Remnant? The Ever After was based on a children's tale that everyone knew growing up and Pyrrha being as smart as she is would instantly recognize where she was transported to. Maybe she had knowledge of her mother's semblance and knew this might have happened one day, or maybe not. I find the one scene her mother is in to be very interesting because while she was talking to Jaune, she had a very bitter-sweet attitude about it and almost talked as if she knew more than she let on, but I digress.

In the story's timeline, when Team RWBY arrives in the Ever After, Pyrrha would have been there already for a couple of years. That would have given her enough time to establish herself and explore the different acres because let's be real here, Pyrrha wouldn't have stumbled upon the time travel fruit and messed around with it like Jaune did, nor would she have focused all her energy into the people of the land even though she would protect them with her life if she had to, but at the end of the day, she was just trying to figure out a way home. Once she stumbles across Team RWBY, it would all make sense why the Tree didn't let her return to Remnant yet. By this point, I'm sure she would have encountered Alyx, Lewis, and the Curious cat, probably handled the situation a lot better than Jaune did, and give Team RWBY a cautionary tale about the Curious Cat in a way that wasn't bitter or vengeful. The bee's having their special moment still would have happened, the team's fallout with the Curious Cat still would have gone down, and then we get to the scene with Neo's Jabber Walker clones and Ruby has her mental breakdown and identity crisis. I don't see Pyrrha blaming Ruby for what happened to the Paper Pleasers despite her immense sorrow for the loss of her only friends she had during her time in the Ever After. Her experiences with the Paper Pleasers would have been way different too because there's no way she'd be a gold-hearted tyrant like Jaune was painted out to be. I do see Ruby blaming herself and still running off anyway because she feels like a burden and a failure as a leader. I didn't enjoy the way Jaune was the center of focus when Ruby was very clearly in a dangerous state of mind and I'm positive Pyrrha would have picked up on it right away and address it to Ruby's team after the fact and not go off on her for not doing enough.

Team RWPY would go on the search for Ruby and still find her in Neo's torture dungeon, which would have been just as painful to watch, especially from Pyrrha's point of view. Ruby having to watch Pyrrha die in Vol.3 and now she had to witness Ruby "die" in Vol. 9 is kind of a trippy coincidence that fits so well. The only difference being Pyrrha immediately taking the initiative to find Ruby before the cat does and the final battle being way more epic. Jaune certainly gained a lot of battle experience throughout the series, but Pyrrha was always ahead of him in that respect and without a doubt would have sharpened her skills to perfection while she was on her own in the Ever After. Ruby emerges as a new version of herself, they defeat the Curious Cat, Neo ascends, and all of the girls finally get to go home together, hand in hand.

I can even go as far as to say this would have made Vol. 9 Beyond so much better too. Picture it, Team RWBY and Pyrrha leaving the portal and the first person to see them is Jaune. The potential for Arkos here is so strong it kills me inside! They'd have a raw moment between each other, there'd be lots of crying on Jaune and maybe even Pyrrha's part too, a long hug, and most definitely a romantic kiss that would have tied their relationship arc together in such a perfect way. It would have brought Pyrrha back and that's honestly all I want.

Of course, this is all just for shits and giggles, but I'd love to hear what y'all think or if you have something else to add! ^-^

[henrysglock]

anyone want to tell me why she’s got THE specific nose shape (and cheekbones to boot…)

[thewertsearch]

Bec would still intercede.

It's true that in this doomed timeline, the meteor doesn't 'have' to be repelled - but Bec still loves Jade, and has no reason not to save her.

This Jade would have no Cruxtruder, so Bec couldn't destroy the meteor with a sprite laser. Freed from the temporal obligation to shatter it, he could simply use his native powers to shrink it, or teleport it away.

Jade should have survived, but the Derse kids never heard from her.

In fact, they never heard from anyone.

No gloating from Doomed Terezi, no flirting from Doomed Kanaya, and not even a single swear word from Doomed Karkat. Plus, even if Bec was asleep at the wheel, and Jade did get killed by the meteor, there was nothing stopping her from seeking advice while it was slowly descending. She had hours!

The only explanation I can think of is that a doomed Incipisphere is completely isolated from the wider universe. This isolation could even extend to Dream Self connections, preventing Doomed Jade from contacting her friends through her Prospitian body.

Come to think of it... if a doomed session can't access the outer world, then there doesn't actually need to be an outer world. Doomed timelines don't need to contain an entire Doomed Multiverse - all they really need is the subsection of reality that spawned them. One little bubble, ready to pop.

In other words, there might not have been a Doomed Jade - but that's just a theory. Either way, she never contacted the session, so we can only speculate as to her activities before the timeline completely collapsed.

Like I said, I'm sure she survived her meteor, but there's not much she can really do on Earth. I guess she could try and start another session, but I don't think she knows another living soul, and I don't know how a hypothetical single-player session would work. Besides, as I said earlier, it seems like doomed timelines are isolated from other realities. She might not be able to enter a Medium.

Even if she could get Bec to teleport her off the island, she has nowhere to go - removing her meteor didn't stop the apocalypse. It just slowed it down a little.

Her island seems fairly self-sufficient, and with Bec's protection she should have no trouble surviving on the dying Earth. She'd just sit on her island for several months, alone, until her timeline abruptly collapses - if she didn't blink out of existence as soon as John entered his Seventh Gate.

Man, this is just sad. Probably a good thing that the comic didn't dwell on it.

[roboyomo]

AGAIN. REFERENCING THE SINS CREW COUNTERPARTS THING.

put together in a room: azrael + yi ha-neul

challenge level impossible Don't Beat The Shit Out Of The Guy only because he gets on your nerves because he Could and Would Fold You In Half like a sheet of paper or have you pinned to the ground He Can And Will Kill You because he already Doesn't Fucking Like You. At all.

put together in a room: liliosa + yi ae-ra

you think this is just a normal maybe even Nice And Lovely chat between you and your brother's friend as just two girls having some tea ^_^ until the atmosphere surrounding the conversation becomes Uncomfortably Tense and now you're being questioned about what is Love and what is the meaning of it to you by a pretty girl seemingly (+ concerningly) fixated on the concept of love and Wait This Feels Weirdly Terrifying Actually—