#adventure time if it was written by vivziepop
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tranquil-slaughterhouse · 11 months ago
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giantkillerjack · 6 months ago
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ur post about queerbaiting and the dismissal of people in fandom to critical analysis is so incredibly true thank you. i feel like marcille's writing in the anime has been super misogynistic a lot of the time and every time i bring this up all anyone wants to say is "well maybe this isn't for you! and you shouldn't watch the show!" like. i don't think this is about taste lmao, i am analyzing the text in front of me and coming to conclusions about the craft of it.
[This is in reference to this post]
YES!!! THANK YOU!!!!!
It is so so frustrating!!!!
It's like being at a restaurant and being served a bunch of delicious appetizers, but then one of the bread appetizers is literally just a plate of crumbs; and then when you're like, "Hey, uhh, why are we being served literal crumbs?", a bunch of the other folks eating at the restaurant are like,
"WELL HOW ABOUT YOU JUST DON'T EAT HERE THEN??!? YOU MUST NOT BE THAT HUNGRY, SO JUST FIND ANOTHER RESTAURANT AND DON'T EAT WITH US!!"
And maybe they say it politely, but "Aw, sorry, maybe this restaurant just isn't for you 💖" is just trading out an aggressive dismissive tone for a patronizing dismissive tone. It's the same message.
And it's like! I was honestly happy to move on from the crumbs once my complaint was acknowledged because the meal overall is still delicious, but then all these folks got SUPER WEIRD AND DEFENSIVE ABOUT IT, so now I find myself double-checking all the other dishes -- and, actually, you know what those eggs DO look a Iittle misogynistic undercooked!!!!
#original#queerbaiting#dunmeshi#dungeon meshi#falin x marcille#marcille x falin#marcille donato#delicious in dungeon#dungeon meshi marcille#listen i like marcille but u r right she is basically there to be a wet blanket a LOT of the time and that is a sexist trope#i think the bar is super super low for female characters in adventure anime and the lack of constant ogling maybe makes the female#characters feel better written than they are. i mean falin basically has no personality. she's got an innocent heart but that's nothing.#and i think these conversations are worth having bc no piece of media is perfect and this is how we learn to do better#also like. I've seen media criticisms that make me go 'oh you straight up should reserve commentary bc you#haven't watched the show and you're wrong' or 'i see what you're saying but you are simply incorrect' but like#i don't think I'd tell someone to just NOT watch Hazbin Hotel bc they have a bad take - and certainly not bc they have accurately#pinpointed a real flaw about the show (of which there are more than a few but frankly not what became the biggest subject of Disc Horse)#Angel is actually an amazing character & i think people mistook a criticism on the way abuse is glamourized as actually glamourizing abuse#like his song about abuse is called Poison and he's trapped in an abusive performance contract - bringing to mind Britney Spears#i think it is a wildly triggering and painful scene but i think a lot of people took the pain it gave them to mean it was bad art#but tbh they are still allowed to eat at the table if they so choose!!!#sorry i got sidetracked - as an abuse survivor Angel just matters a lot to me. i have a couple serious criticisms of vivziepop's work but#Angel is very much not one of them#also in regards to the actual subject of this post i think the most audacity of the responses i got was the one that said#that by complaining about queerbaiting I was 'de-incentivizing writers to write any interaction b/t women that could look even a little gay#and I'm just like. good. I hope they stop writing entirely. if the takeaway from 'please don't sell me bread and then serve me crumbs' is#'WELL NOW I JUST WON'T BAKE ANY BREAD PRODUCT' then that person is a bad chef. they should find a different job.#or at least do a whole lot of work on themselves. but either way i wouldn't be too broken up to know i won't be getting any food from them.#'just leave then' is so obviously a gut reaction defense mechanism & it implies media criticism should only be for things you don't like
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chaifootsteps · 1 month ago
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caine if he was written by vivziepop: MY NAME IS CAINE. I AM YOUR BITCH. THE TRAUMA CAUSED DUE TO MY ADVENTURES IS ACCIDENTAL SO I WILL NEVER FUCKING BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANYTHING EVER BECAUSE OF MY FUCKING TRAUMA
pomni if she was written by vivziepop: im a woman so i get 1 trait. and giant eyelashes that defy gravity and time
jax if he was written by vivziepop: fuck fuck penis i hate women im going to make things worse because it'll be funny. watch me set everything on fire for the 5th time in a row :3 everyone loves me and nobody ever holds me accountable for anything ever because of my Fucking trauma :)
zooble if they were written by vivziepop: dsyphoria funne :D trans people amiright?
kinger if they were written by a woman: pomni i am going to tell you to get over your fucking trauma because you are a fucking whiny fucked up little bitch. now take my hand. were going through the scary fog because there's a limited edition I-Hate-Women-I-Heart-Yaoi (only 69.99! plus 30.99 shipping. also you arent getting it until months later fuck you) pin on shark robot dot cum on the other side. let's fucking go you underwritten bitch woman.
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Looking Back With My Oc Alma In Mind
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I really latched onto Hazbin Hotel when the pandemic hit because I had so much free time that I allowed myself to get so invested in this quirky show. If you look at my profile at deviantart you can go and see how so many of my oc's for this show hindered on headcannons I had for both settings. And my headcannon concerning Alma and her family with one of the Ars Goetia was that they were ancient beings who are although powerful could also have a softer side.
My anticipations were great for the Ars Goetia until Helluva Boss did everything in it's power to water hell and everything down. It was no longer feeling like hell when the supposed prince of Lust and Gluttony start advocating self-control which goes against the notion of the sins they represent and defenders are just trying to weakly justify it through bs.
I really had everything in my head concerning this girl and what her adventures at the Hazbin Hotel would be like. If you read her profile then she used a copycat Grimoire that her father gave to her mother to visit him in hell, which she got her hands on because she wondered if the book had something to do with her father and she used a spell to send her to hell. She wanders around and then meets Alastor, is taken to the hotel, where she meets everyone and stays, and then finally meets her father. However, due to being the product of an affair she is hated by her stepmother and older sister who abuse her while she still lives with them which results in her later telling the Hazbin gang and they gang up on the two for hurting her and it's decided by her father to just live with the Hazbin Hotel crew.
And again as the series went on in Helluva Boss everything I anticipated fell apart when season two hit, especially when it came to the Goetia and they were no longer these interesting ancient fallen angels but just for some reason the same age as us humans which doesn't make sense if you go by the thing that Goetias are known to humanity for ages. And again the original premise was sacrificed for a badly written love story that strangles the plot. As time went on, I really think Alma exist in a time where my headcannons and hopes had a chance but were dashed due to poor worldbuilding and execution. It just makes me think of what really could have been if Vivziepop didn't have her head up her ass.
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cloudysfluffs · 2 months ago
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PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE FOLLOWING/SENDING ASKS!!
hello!! my name is cloudy, i use she/they pronouns, im 20 yrs old, and this is my SFW tickle blog!! i make tickle art, hcs, and (very rarely) fics, and my inbox is always open for reqs!! (although, whether i do them or not depends on how im feeling at the moment :P)
i block VERY liberally. i will block you if you are: an nsfw blog, a proshipper, an exclusionist, discourse blog, etc etc. tickling is NOT a kink/fetish in my case, and seeing it in that context makes me VERY uncomfy. if thats you, no shame!! im not trying to yuck your yum, this is just a personal comfort thing for me <3 also i dont use a consistent tagging system, and MOSTLY post cartoon stuff anyway, but if you dont want to see ANY irl tickling content, you can block the tag #irl tickling ! not that i rb it all that often anyway lol. i also sometimes use #disc horse for any random discourse im commenting on, which i also do very rarely :P
check under the cut for all the fandoms i like!! if you wanna send me a request, it has to be one from here!!
the ones written in blue are the fandoms im in currently, aka the ones im MOST LIKELY to accept requests from!!! BUT that doesnt mean i never take reqs from other things, it really depends ^^ i love receiving them no matter what they are!!
PLEASE do not send me reqs for fandoms not on here!!! i wont do them!!!! ALSO dont bother sending me your ocs!!! the only ocs i will EVER be drawing is mine or my boyfriends and even that is rare!!!
-undertale
-deltarune
-little shop of horrors
-the nightmare before christmas
-corpse bride
-robots (the 2005 blue sky movie sdfjk)
-coco
-lego batman
-beetlejuice (the animated series is my favorite ^^)
-five nights at freddys
-five nights at freddys the MUSICAL (the random encounters one(mainly referring to the original ones here, not the newer ones))
-the markiplier cinematic universe
-catherine: fullbody
-wicked/the wizard of oz
-the starkid hatchetfield series 
-who framed roger rabbit (i've even read the books!)
-portal
-half life
-spies are forever
-miraculous ladybug (but i havent been keeping up with the lore)
-hlvrai
-sam and max (all iterations except for the comics)
-evil dead (all three movies, all the old games, the musical, and MOST of the TV show B) havent seen the last season though)
-mlp: fim
-gravity falls
-the monkey island franchise
-regular show
-the owl house
-don't hug me im scared
-rick and morty
-adventure time
-hazbin hotel and helluva boss (I THINK THESE SHOWS ARE OBJECTIVELY BAD AND I DO NOT LIKE/SUPPORT VIVZIEPOP. ALL ART DRAWN FROM THIS WILL BE FEATURING MY REDESIGNS)
-venture bros (im JUST starting this show though as of writing this so. Limited Knowledge)
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casinocrow · 1 year ago
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Honestly fucking hell it hurts big time to see Vivziepop be on some terf shit. Like, what she says about nonbinery and Transmasc people in general like that isn't some terf shit and then try to hide her shit by having a trans fem character. Wtf.
That's kinda the final fucking straw for me. I've def stop buying merch from her mainly because she's constantly dropping new releases all the time and it's definitely exhausting to keep up with. So beyond watching the new episodes when they drop, I haven't been doing a lot of Vivziepop stuff beyond just looking into criticism and stuff.
Don't get me wrong I still like certain characters, but unfortunately how those characters get utilized it's clear it's more of the idea and certain events that happened that keep me drawn to these character vs like actually shit.
(tw mentions of death, lost of a loved one and family trauma)
For example, I'm emotionally attached to Via in the same way I'm attached to Marcie from Adventure time, though arguably more so Via. Theyre two demonic daughters and because the day my father figure like the only real father figure I had growing up died the day that Looloo land episode dropped which was also the day that got that book written by Marcie and her dad in the mail and as someone who's parents DID go through a divorce because one cheated, that episode did hit hard for me when literally hours later I got the news. For all I know the episode dropped when he was on his last breath.
However emotionally attachment due to coping with loss of loved one aside I'm not gonna stick around JUST because that's a comfort character I developed an attachment too thanks to a shitty shitty situation in life. I don't tolerant terfs like Vivziepop who don't change as a person and that's not changing for anyone. Because of Hazbins marketing I doubt it's gonna last very long as anything that's marketed THAT badly doesn't last very long. It gets canceled and canned hard.
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shana-reviews-tmblr · 4 months ago
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Yes Goose did work on the show and poked fun at it
but that was a joke THEY MADE THEMSELVES, because Goose and Vivziepop are FRIENDS, so jokes between friends who have known each other wouldn't come off as rude.
this "joke" doesn't work because it isn't someone who is close to Viv OR Goose and to use a work done by one of Vivz's friends to mock her is by definition rude
it's like making an abridged series and using it to mock TeamFourStar when you aren't friends with them and you aren't coming off as being funny, you're being an ass
and what's worse the whole "Show if written by Vivziepop" thing this "joke" started was made up of responses that REALLY took things to meanspirited territory, and it was such a lazy joke
The only one that WAS funny was the Adventure Time thread that someone made who actually knew how to do it GOOD, because the person who made it actually took the time and effort to make the jokes with the swearing land better rather than insert random swears every 5 seconds.
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That is where the comedy lands better and why that is the only one HB and HH fans accept and like, because EFFORT was put into it to be funny and not be insulting, it was a true parody of Viv's usage of swears because it wasn't mocking her, it was using the type of comedy she uses for something you wouldn't see in the show proper, which is far more respectful and worthy of being seen as a joke instead of a lazy attempt to BE a joke
In short:
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Its a joke but you're wishing death on a person, no that the person be put down like an animal 💀. Most normal helluva boss fan response to anything poking harmless fun at the show:
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Anyhow this was the video in question, lmao "my name is Cain I am your bitch" had me in tears how ridiculous this line is. Also goose was poking harmless fun at helluva boss in the glitchx stream, say this cos hb fans are like "goose literally worked on helluva" "animation aint a competition or fans giving the few instances in hb that isn't Plagued by cuss words/crude humor. This fandom cannot take a joke or accept jokes poking harmless fun at the show.
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showtoonzfan · 2 years ago
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I’ve said this before, but man.....I really don’t like Sir Pentious, and I’m certainly NOT stoked to know that he’ll be in the actual show, judging by his blimp being apart of the Hotel now in the promo picture.
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For those who don’t know, it’s was confirmed by Viv at one point that Sir Pen was ONLY going to be a character for the pilot, and that was going to be it, but since she liked him so much, she decided to keep him around. At first, I did like his character. I think his concept is interesting, a steampunk snake demon from the Victorian Era sounds really cool, but of course since he’s written by Viv, he’s this edgy loud cursing wannabe evil dude. I said before that I don’t like how his character wants to be “hip” and “cool” as well, it feels more like an excuse so Viv could just NOT do the research of the time period he’s from and just have him talk and act like all the other characters do. (Meaning her.) The funny thing is, he’s supposed to be that goofy stereotypical wannabe villain character that always fails, and I actually LOVE that trope. For example, Ludo from Star Vs The Forces Of Evil, Ice King from Adventure Time, Mr. Crocker from Fairly Odd Parents, Doofenshmirtz from Phineas and Ferb, Boxman from O.K KO, they’re ALL goofy villains who I LOVE to watch. They’re funny, likable, and I always have fun with them, but.....Sir pen? This is just for me, but dear GOD did Sir Pen come off as really annoying to me. Like I said before, he’s just your typical edgy annoying vivziepop character, and it doesn’t help that he screams 90% of his lines. And yes, before people jump at me, I KNOW his character is that he thinks highly of himself and he’s supposed to be over the top, but I don’t care, he’s loud and annoying. Another gripe I have with him is that he’s literally useless. He’s not a threat, and while I know not all characters need to be threats, he serves no purpose to the plot or characters. His whole thing he has going for him is that he’s trying to take over Hell, and we as the audience obviously know that he’s NEVER going to accomplish that. He’ll pop in, get defeated, whine, and try again, and that’s it. There’s no need to really have him. He only existed in the pilot to introduce the turf war subplot, and I don’t know about you guys, but to me he was EXTREMELY forgettable. Like seriously, he’s more forgettable than Cherri I dare say. He appears in the beginning, isn’t in the middle, then pops up randomly at the end at the last minute, and you’re just sitting their like “oh....it’s snake dude”. He leaves no impact on me, his design is god awful, and I honestly wish he was scrapped.
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secreterces-charlie · 5 years ago
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Yo yo yo! It’s Valentine’s Day and I’m tired, sad and single, but I cope by baking cupcakes and drawing my ships smooching ❤️
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The original template is by @a-moop, and thanks @charliecharlo for calling my attention to this because it inspired me to draw some of these characters for the first time in years! Some of them I never even colored in any other drawings before!
Here’s the ship list👇
First row:
Marcus & Secret, a weird angel-demon thing and a very confused human, two characters from a story I have yet two write
LizardHat – Demencia & Black Hat, from the show Villainous by Alan Ituriel, and I know Hattie’s scowling, but we all know he loves his pretty little psycho dearly~
Lumpygrab – LSP & Lemongrab, a ship I dedicated a blog to because even though they’re canon, they’re still a rarepair and a crackship – what other craziness would you expect from Adventure Time?
Second row:
Francoeur & Vlaštovka (Swallow bird in English) – a robot dictator and his harpy companion, villains of another story I have yet to write. And yes, Vlaštovka does indeed have four arms. I drew those, but was too lazy to draw her actual wings.
Zora & Akta – the first gay characters I ever made, I think. Zora was a creepypasta/demon OC who I gave overpowered abilities to, but then redesigned her because she was killing me with cringe. Akta is... not exactly a demon? Her story is in progress, but I keep rethinking what she should be, exactly. As you could probably guess, she was inspired by Chara from Undertale :)
Trirax – Trixie & Thorax, from My Little Pony, the rarepair ship I will go down with. They’d be adorable together and you can’t tell me otherwise!
Third row:
Darx & Vitalia – would you believe if I told you these were Minecraft OCs? Yeah. I read a few books written in the Minecraft universe a while ago and was inspired, but I wanted to make it different. So, I wrote a story where Vitalia (the white-haired one) manages to topple over a bunch of potions that mix together and do something to her and the Enderman chasing her (Darx!). They discover that they’re slowly turning into each other’s race, she’s becoming a monster and he’s becoming human, hence the weird skin colours.
Goddess Secret & Rwakk – I made A LOT of alternate versions of Secret. She was originally a pony OC, and most of her AU versions are also ponies. In one story I was co-writing with a friend of mine, we started joking about him always writing bad endings and me always writing good and happy endings. This resulted in the creation of two gods of story-telling, influencing worlds, battling each other and playing with each other, and keeping the story-writing universe in balance. It’s not exactly a ship, but Rwakk is a dear friend of mine and he deserves a kiss 😘 Also we use these characters to cope sometimes, so 🤷‍♀️
Jabu and (the OG) Secret – two dorks from an RP filled with pirates, slavery and underage drinking, what fun! Basically Jabu (the zebra) has been serving a rich guy his whole life and never knew anything else, until Secret came with a pirate crew she joined on accident and, too empathetic for her own good, decided to show him friendship, and kindness, and a world where he didn’t have to always return favors, where he didn’t always have to listen to orders. While playing this RP and trying to get Jabu to understand as simple concepts as “this isn’t a deal, I’m just being nice, you don’t have to immediately pledge your service to me bro, chill” really challenged my writing (and also sometimes my morals, as Jabu had none).
Fourth row:
Entrapdak – Hordak & Entrapta from She-Ra: The Princesses of Power! One of my more controversial ships because Hordak is the villain, and he’s pretty evil, and then Entrapta is the greatest example of a morally grey character and his first real friend. I really hope they end up being okay, but with the way the series is going right now, I’m slightly worried about them. Also just a note, if you ever get into the fandom and ship them, know that there are ppl arguing against this ship everywhere. It’s not worth it to join the fights. Let the ship wars be.
Papara – Chara & Papyrus from Undertale, my two faves from the game. Over time I sorta gave Chara my own headcanon of abilities and backstory and stuff, and decided that someone like them could really use someone with endless forgiveness in his heart in their life. I wrote tons of “second chance for Chara” fanfics I never finished, and I hope there’ll be more content of them.
Prie & Lavinne – OCs from a comic I’m determined to make! Everything about them keeps changing except for their designs but rest assured that their stories are magnificient! Also you don’t get to see it from this angle but Prie has three eyes, two on this side and one on the side we can’t see.
Fifth row:
Penny and Marion – the OG ship. I got into MLP and FNAF fandoms around the same time and since I’ve never before been in one, I was absolutely in love with all of it, especially the Brony community. So, I wrote a crossover fan fiction about a robot pony fighting Purple Guy! I wrote two and a half story about her, with twenty parts total, and to this day I am immensely proud of this. The fact that she somehow falls in love with the puppet of all animatronics should not be important 😅
Lemon Pancakes – Lemongrab 2 & Breakfast Princess, a magnificient ship @charliecharlo came up with (bless you for this treasure) I realized I absolutely love BP’s design (especially in normal clothes tho) and I live for the angst that has to come eventually when LG2 becomes a part of LG3.
Charlastor – Charlie Magne & Alastor form @vivziepop’s Hazbin Hotel cartoon! If anyone dares tell me a) that Al is asexual and cannot therefore have romantic relationships or b) that Charlie is canonically with Vaggie, I won’t do anything but I’ll be silently judging you from over here. Once more I call to all of you. Let the ship wars be, they’re especially aggressive in this fandom, and it hasn’t even existed for that long. That being said, I love that they’re both musical souls and I really really hope Alastor becomes genuine friends with her in canon, at least.
So yeah, that’s a wrap!
Happy Valentine’s to all of you!
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tranquil-slaughterhouse · 11 months ago
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I'm gonna cherish this quote and pic for a long time
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masterisabelle · 10 months ago
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It’s a long story but the “adventure time if it was written by vivziepop” reference was made with the famous “krill yourself” image so when I typed that in I got banned
I’m temporarily banned on twitter but I really needed to tell you that your axis ex design absolutely rocks
WHAT DID YOU DO??????????? OMG  😭😭😭😭😭😭 ILY OOMF I'M GLAD YOU LIKED IT... <3
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infinite-rabbits · 5 years ago
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hey, hiii just wanted to ask about your thoughts/opinions on shadows character
Do you mean like.... Overall or how it’s been handled lately?
It also kinda depends on which version of Shadow. I mean, obviously from my set of 4 Shadows I have on my desk, I love him.
SO I guess we need to break it down.
Sonic Adventure 2 Shadow: I love this silly edgelord. He’s basically a teenager who’s also woken up from a really long nap. Have you ever had nap brain before? Because it sucks, and I like to think that’s part of why he’s so grumpy and also why he had so many memory problems. He might have been out of cryostasis, but his brain was still waking up. He’s moody, he’s probably going through hormone swings because, you know, teenager, and he’s trying to figure out where he stands in the world. This is the Shadow I was first introduced to when my cousin had the game system and I was watching him play it. I literally made my mom buy me a gamecube and the game because I wanted to play with Shadow. I’m always late to the game with stuff. I mean heck, I only just now started playing Sonic Forces and that’s been out since 2017, but this game REALLY impacted my view on the Sonic franchise.
Shadow in Shadow The Hedgehog: Okay so I know a lot of other people really hate his depiction in this game. They don’t like the idea of Shadow going THAT edge and liking guns and all of that stuff due to his PTSD with Maria. But honestly... I don’t mind it that much? Because there’s the whole thing about him having amnesia again or whatever. And what’s more interesting to look at from this game’s point of view is that, just like a lot of other things in the Sonic Franchise, it’s an AU. This is a choose your own adventure where you can literally decide if Shadow is going to freak out and go down the villain’s path, stay neutral and do his own thing, or realize that he needs his friends and go down the hero’s path. So even if you’re not super into him using guns, you could still have him go down that hero path and find his true self. Plus this thing has one of the most bangin’ theme songs Shadow’s ever had. Like all of his themes from games are pretty awesome, but I personally LOVE this one. Especially the extra m e t a l version by Little V.
Shadow in other games: He can be kind of hit-or-miss in the personality department here. You’ve got him in Sonic Heroes with amnesia... again. And possibly being an andriod. But honestly I love that “date to die for!” scene because it’s so dramatic! You’ve got him in Free Riders for some reason being willing to help Rouge get money in the race even though he’s never actually been willing to help before. In most games he’s just kinda sorta... there, and it feels like the writers don’t fully know what to do with him if he’s not the main focus of the game. There’s one big exception to that though:
Shadow in Sonic 06: The game everyone shits on, mostly just because of some of the graphics being shitty here and there in the actual gameplay and also the whole “Sonic hooking up with a human chick” thing. However, this is one of the best characterizations of Shadow. He cares about his friends, he gets given the support he needs, and in turn he also winds up giving that support to Silver. You know, after giving him a boot to the head. As bad as this game might have been, we did actually get relatively good character development for some of these characters, and Shadow was one of them. His willingness to do his part and take Silver “under his quills” as I’ve seen other people say, properly shows off his compassionate side rather than him just.... being dark and brooding. You know?
Boom Shadow: Eeeeh.... I’m not totally sure how to feel about this one? I love listening to his voice for sure. I like watching his fight scenes. But it feels like they’re making him edgy just for the sake of being edgy. And he’s really easily manipulated? I feel like, while Boom has done some great things with other characters, Shadow has gotten the short end of the stick. He’s kinda bland most of the time when it comes to his actual characterization, and he’s boiled down to a one-note kind of guy. So like, I don’t hate it but I really think I could do better.
IDK comics Shadow: They kinda did the same thing here. Shadow started out pretty darn great in that scene with Sonic and deciding what to do with Mr. Tinker. Seeing Sonic get under Shadow’s skin about it and making him back down was a great way of showing how the two have really gotten to understand each other over the years and that Sonic knows Shadow better than he’s willing to admit. That’s where my praise ends. Shadow then basically disappears until we get him back being stubborn as hell and jumping right into a pit of zombots and BOOM, just like that he’s taken out of the game. We’ll see how things go once this virus thing is over (because honestly I feel like it’s been lasting waaaay too long.) and if they use this to humanize him a bit more or if they keep him being super stubborn and one-note. But yeah, as of now I’m not super happy with how he’s been handled.
Shadow in the Archie Comics: HOO BOY I SAVED THE BEST ONE FOR LAST. And by best I mean worst. Where do I even begin with this one? Let me start by saying that I haven’t read all of the Archie comics yet. I’m working on it now, and I’m reading them somewhere online because they’re expensive as hell to get a hold of. But dear lord, this writing is usually horrible! Some of the writers work well together while others *cough*kenpenders*cough* don’t bother to read each other’s stories or will get pissy about their own plotlines not going anywhere and others having to fix them. Shadow is... yanked around so heavily in this series. In some stories, he’s great. He shows interesting characteristics and shows that he’s learning and growing. In others he’s just kinda.... there. In others he’s going completely against what he’s learned and is treating people like shit unless he’s manipulated to do otherwise. One of my absolute biggest complaint about the Archie series is: Tyrant Overlord King Shadow, from the 25/30 years later arch. It’s so bad, you guys. *disgruntled noises* Ken Penders basically had Shadow do a complete 180 despite everything he’s ever learned. He forcibly married Sally, became a tyrant of a king who ruled with an iron fist, and when Sonic kicked his ass and threw him in another stasis tube and he was brought back later, he unleashed this weird Tikal/Chaos creature out into the world to completely destroy it after feeding her so much chaos energy that he hurt her. Also the writer completely freaking forgot to actually END that story. Sonic and the New Freedom Fighters defeat and re-seal away “Tichaos,” but there’s no closure as to what happens to Shadow. It’s just Ken Penders going: “LOOK MY SUPER SPECIAL AWESOME OCS JUST SAVED THE DAY.” And it’s like.... okay, but what about Shadow? Did he escape? Is he still in the castle? Is there a second part to this? And sadly, that’s as far as I’ve read with that line and I don’t know if it got any further before they had to do the reboot. So yeah, Shadow is kinda shafted in these comics too.
Overall: I think he’s a really great character with a lot of wasted potential. He tends to shine more when the spotlight is fully on him because in that case, the writers realize they need to work on him more. But when he’s a side character, they boil him down to one-note and that’s really not a good thing to do with any character. (I should also note that I haven’t actually gotten to purchase the DLC yet of Shadow’s story for Sonic Forces, so I’ll need to go and watch the cut scenes before I can properly say anything on that particular game.)
The Sonic Franchise suffers overall from a case of: Too many characters. Now I wouldn’t change that about them, especially this late in the game. However we’ve been introduced to so many characters that none of them ever really get their chance in the spotlight anymore. Another artist that I can actually compare this to is actually VivziePop. She designs a LOT of characters for her works, and she puts so much effort into them that they all come across as “main character material” and completely overshadow the actual main character of the story. The biggest time that has impacted her work was in her comic Zoophobia. The main character was some human chick thrown into the world, but then she spent so long establishing all of the almost hundred characters she’d made for the world that the story itself felt like it de-railed. She’s gotten a bit better with Hazbin, but Charlie still gets really overshadowed. Some of the Archie comics got to be the same way. They had introduced so many characters at that point that they needed to do storylines that didn’t involve Sonic, and Ken Penders himself didn’t really like writing for Sonic because it was so restrictive, where as he had a lot of free reign with the other ones he’d made or that weren’t the main character. So he just kept making character after character to throw in there, and that combined with the characters we got from all of the assorted media over the years means a lot more characters to try and focus on. So the ones that don’t get their prime time in the spotlight just kinda never go anywhere. Also Shadow not being the main precious blue boy probably explains why his writing can be so wibbly-wobbly depending on the media he’s in. Because Sega isn’t breathing down anyone’s neck anywhere near as heavily as they are for Sonic.
I should probably stop typing now because I’ve written you a novel. XD
TL;DR: I love Shadow but he gets the shaft more often than not by the writers.
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tranquil-slaughterhouse · 11 months ago
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If Dethklok, Ten Masked Men, or *insert black/death metal / metalcore band here* covered Island Song (Come Along With Me)
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good-fwiend-in-wome · 11 months ago
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adventure time if it was written by vivziepop
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I like to think they just actually talk like this when Finn isn't around, they don't wanna swear around the kid
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brainbesplit · 11 months ago
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adventure time if it was written by vivziepop
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I like to think they just actually talk like this when Finn isn't around, they don't wanna swear around the kid
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