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For anyone curious about why those who have abortions have a maternal mortality rate that’s 3 times higher than birth, a theory some scientists have is that those who have abortions take more risks than those who give birth.
For additional research on this topic,
“New research, which takes into account the full reproductive histories of the women involved, illustrates that, compared to women who delivered their babies, women who had an early- or late-term abortion have significantly higher mortality rates within one to ten years of the event.”
https://medscimonit.com/abstract/index/idArt/883338
It is not "safer for a rape victim to go through pregnancy and childbirth naturally with the proper medical care than it is to get an abortion" at all. Going through with childbirth has a much higher death rate than getting a legal abortion.
No it doesn’t.
Abortion triples the maternal mortality rate (and, interestingly, it was also found that a safe delivery is linked to reduction in mortality risks that are associated with both miscarriage and abortion).
Study Showing Abortion is More Dangerous than Childbirth.
Abortion increases the risk of premature death for a woman by 50%.
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a moment of silence for the young Christian pro-life girls who genuinely want to fix the world and stop “the genocide of babies”. I just wish they’d actually put that passion and energy into something that can truly improve the situation, like improve the adoption system or promote better sex education or encourage for better medical studies on the women’s body and pregnancy to help women in the future. But no, they are taught that they have to “ban the murder of children” and they put their genuine passion into the wrong direction.
#I believe that only young girls can genuinely care about the fetus#Meanwhile the men and even older women are only pro-life bc they wanna control women#Heck#I used to be one of them#But I do hope they study the stats and realize it’s all a lie#And that banning abortion isn’t the right choice#Because it causes more harm then good
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tell me why i'm seeing people saying it's ok for people to drink while pregnant because "it's their choice" what the hell is going on
#yes yes a thousand times yes people can choose to do whatever the hell they want#BUT NOT IN THIS CASE????#like. sib your baby#??? if you want to abort just abort don't just drink your baby dead#what the hell#in response to an AITA where a waiter secretly gave a pregnant woman non-alcoholic drinks despite her ordering alcohol#people were like YOU SHOULD HAVE GIVEN HER TO BOOZE IT'S HER CHOICE. am i on the moon#do people not realize how fucked up fetal alcohol syndrome is#i'm sure stephanie can go a couple months without a martini jesus christ.#like. i'm getting angry reacts on facebook because i said waiter did the right thing#there's white women yelling at me that what the waiter did was gender discrimination#sis... she didn't Not get served alcohol because she's a woman she did because THERES A BABY THAT COULD GET SEVERELY HARMED#and like ofc one of them is a zio. so surprised. truly the people with the correctest opinions
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I would like for everyone to view how anti-abortion extremists justify child pregnancy in juxtaposition with how they treat black women and other women of color.
So, this happened recently. Please take a moment to read this woman's quote.
And this also happened in Florida. Please take a moment to watch this video.
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It is very interesting watching black women pay the price for anti-abortion laws that white women have voted for and advocated for.
It's even more interesting watching these same white women justify little girls being forced to carry pregnancies to term, when their bodies are literally not ready for that, while adult women of color's pregnancy complications are being exacerbated by anti-abortion laws.
And it's convenient watching how no pro-lifers on this app or other social media websites have covered this, after spending years lecturing black people about how abortion is threatening the black population and claiming they want to ban abortion to protect the black race.
The pro-lifers are very quiet right now.
#pro choice#abortion#y'all spent years lecturing black women about Margaret Sanger#and now you don't say anything when black women are harmed by your laws#Youtube
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If you’re into podcasts and you have a moment, please listen to this.
The segment on Ukraine starts from the beginning.
The segment on abortion begins at t=16m 30s.
The segment on Russian journalist dissidents begins at t=46m 10s.
#politics#republicans#this american life#ukraine#abortion#when to leave#first do no harm#obgyn#idaho#amelia huntsberger#podcasts#preborn#religious reich#healthcare#womens health#war on women
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Cannot find my older post about it (tbh I didn't try very hard) but honestly I am so tired of people trying to pretend like there's any sort of consistency to "cis women getting a nose job is evil and NOT feminist. However all transsexual surgery is Holy Holy Holy". It's truly not surprising how often people end up reblogging from like, actual tradcaths about "modern women ruining their natural feminine beauty" or whatever. I've said this all before so I don't wanna repeat myself but obviously this does not mean "you cannot critique what drives people (cis or trans) to get 'plastic surgery'" or "women's choices exist in a vacuum" (although I would roll back some of the extreme performative hatred for women who make The Bad Not Feminist Choices), but it DOES mean "stop pretending like there's any sort of actual distinction between Cis Plastic Surgery (bad) and Trans 'Gender-Affirming' Surgery (good) that does not fully rely on the medicalization of being transgender" and it ALSO means "stop pretending to care about bodily autonomy when what you really mean is 'people can do things with their bodies I think are cool and good, but not things that I don't like. Those things should literally be banned, that's how we will save women'"
#i've Definitely said this before but bodily autonomy is not just the tumblr leftist transSEXual commune smoking and getting abortions or w/e#it's also all the things you don't like. it's also all the things you think are frivolous. it's also all the things you think are harmful#idk toooo many terfs have come into my notes to tell me that transgender surgery is equivalent to eating disorders#or 'transracial' plastic surgery or Literal Self-Mutilation or whatever that i'm done pretending#i'm not going to do the Noooo it's different! this is Medically Necessary surgery to treat the mental illness that makes me trans <3#thing i'm Done. there is no definitive line between 'cosmetic surgery' and 'gender-affirming surgery'#and if it's either have both or have neither i think it's pretty obvious which one we should choose#open mick night#gender#idk you familiarize yourself with enough anti-trans anti-drug anti-kink and etc talking points and all this starts to#leave a bad taste in your mouth lol#when i say you can do WHATEVER you want forever i do mean it. even if the things are harmful or politically reductive or whatever#you can Leftist Critique it but you cannot even for one second start to fall into the 'and this is why women should Not Be Allowed To-' tra#bc as always. what's ur reasoning? you find it morally wrong? what other medical procedures do people find morally wrong? regarding women?
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Mother stop calling me your “biological daughter” challenge and using that to explain why you’re so upset at trans women competing in sports (impossible)
#I have watched videos and read essays on white feminism and Jesus fucking Christ my mom was hitting like every fragile point#it’s so UNFAIR when trans women compete in sports :((#as the mother to a BiOloGiCal DaUgHTEr#like shut the fuck up#I’m just like … I don’t actually care if trans women compete tbh#and her just going like ‘well I don’t think it should be used against Those women in that particular case’#when I argue that is disproportionately affects black womeb#or her obviously not believing me when I say that trans women face harder difficulties than she probably does#like it does not matter that you don’t think the rules should be used in that way#they WILL be used in a way that is detrimental to women and they have more so than your hypotheticals#I swear to god it’s the same argument for abortion#‘well I do think a woman should have an abortion if carrying pregnancy could be harmful to her but not other women’#if it’s illegal it WILL be used against that woman#how can you not see that#like the law will be used in a way that’s demeaning to women#but because it’s not the women you care about it doesn’t matter#also side note#and completely unrelated#can she stop implying that I’m less beautiful or don’t want to be beautiful because I’m transmasc#that would be great
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According to Elizabeth Cady Stanton, the moral to be drawn from women’s (i.e., white women’s) Civil War experiences was that women should never “labor to second man’s endeavors and exalt his sex above her own.”
There was a strong element of political naïvete in Stanton’s analysis of the conditions prevailing at the war’s end, which meant that she was more vulnerable than ever to racist ideology. As soon as the Union Army triumphed over their Confederate opponents, she and her co-workers insisted that the Republican party reward them for their wartime efforts. The reward they demanded was woman suffrage—as if a deal had been made; as if women’s rights proponents had fought for the defeat of slavery with the understanding that their prize would be the vote.
Of course the Republicans did not lend their support to woman suffrage after the Union victory was won. But it was not so much because they were men, it was rather because, as politicians, they were beholden to the dominant economic interests of the period. Insofar as the military contest between the North and the South was a war to overthrow the Southern slaveholding class, it was a war which had been basically conducted in the interests of the Northern bourgeoisie, i.e., the young and enthusiastic industrial capitalists who found their political voice in the Republican party. The Northern capitalists sought economic control over the entire nation. Their struggle against the Southern slaveocracy did not therefore mean that they supported the liberation of Black men or women as human beings.
(…) Granted, the [Fourteenth and Fifteenth] Amendments excluded women from the new process of enfranchisement and were thus interpreted by them as detrimental to their political aims. Granted, they felt they had as powerful a case for suffrage as Black men. Yet in articulating their opposition with arguments invoking the privileges of white supremacy, they revealed how defenseless they remained—even after years of involvement in progressive causes—to the pernicious ideological influence of racism.
Angela Y. Davis, Women Race & Class
#book club#fascinating to read about how there used to be an understanding of the importance of intersectionality in liberation efforts#only for it to break down because of white middle class women throwing virulently racist tantrums#as soon as they were asked to show some selflessness#tale as old as time…#and u still see the same bs in white feminist circles now#i feel that logic of ‘’women should never labor for men’s endeavors and elevate his sex above their own’’#really shows itself in anti trans rhetoric too#the way white cis women will cry that women are being erased by acknowledging that not only women need access to abortion for instance#or how they’ll say that acknowledging trans women as women somehow makes it easier for men to sneak into their safe spaces and harm them#as if trans women and especially trans women of color don’t face far worse levels of violence and poverty and discrimination#than ur average middle class cis white woman will ever experience#and just like white suffragettes abandoned the fight for black liberation and embraced violent racists to champion their cause#white ‘’radical feminists’’ will do the same and throw black people and trans people and anyone who isn’t a middle class ww under the bus#shit is grim
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Pro-abortion activists fight for abortion throughout pregnancy for any reason—no exceptions. Their fundamental argument centers on women’s health.
But stunning research shows this concern is all smoke and mirrors.
Pro-abortion activists have long tried to claim that abortion is safer than childbirth. For years they’ve touted manipulated numbers, trying in vain to bolster this myth. We’ve always known those statistics were bogus, and a study by Dr. Priscilla Coleman and Dr. David Reardon reveals abortion is much more dangerous to women than giving birth. And the results are sadly even more devastating to women’s health than even I had anticipated.
First, let me vouch for the authors of this research. I know them both to be solid individuals with a reputation for thoroughness. I met Dr. Coleman in Santiago, Chile where we lectured at their largest university. We again shared an academic podium in Quito, Ecuador the following year.
Second, allow me to explain why this study is so important. It’s compelling because of its unmatched scope:
The study includes a large number of women—nearly one-half-million—experiencing first-time pregnancies.
The medical records are profoundly reliable because the data was compiled from Danish government sources including fertility records of births and stillbirths, the national abortion registry and cause of death registry.
The study covers an extensive ten-year time period, providing comprehensive long-term data.
It analyzes both early and late-term abortion compared to childbirth.
In other words, this isn’t a biased study with a relatively small sample size produced to cater to pro-abortion activists—or any side for that matter. This research was conducted at the national level, over the course of a decade, providing substantial credibility, a comprehensive level of detail, as well as earning publication in respected medical journals. The reliability has been substantiated, which is why the results are even more troubling.
When it comes to which is safer—abortion or childbirth—the results speak loudly and clearly:
During the first six months after an early abortion (12 weeks or less), a woman has double the risk of death compared to giving birth.
During the first year following a late abortion (after 12 weeks) a woman has over three times the risk of death compared to giving birth.
Here’s a link to the entire study if you’d like to read it.
Pro-abortion activists prey on the fear of Americans by perpetuating the myth that if Roe v. Wade is reversed, women will suffer horrific back-alley abortions and tragic deaths. The reality is that under legalized abortion, women are being killed on a much larger scale.
Remember when we heard the news that Planned Parenthood is responsible for 24-year-old Tonya Reaves’ death following a botched abortion. Reports showed that a devastating five-and-a-half hours passed between the time of her abortion and her transport to a local hospital.
There’s no record that a 911 call was placed by Planned Parenthood. The autopsy report indicated that her injuries were survivable if she had received proper emergency care in a timely manner. The only difference between her death and a back-alley abortion death is that Ms. Reaves’ abortion was sanctioned by the US Supreme Court, giving her a false sense of security that the procedure was safe.
Now Tonya’s one-year-old son will grow up without a mother. Sadly, there have been additional victims after Tonya’s death. And don’t forget the Gosnell “house of horrors.”
Planned Parenthood and other abortion facilities continue to lure young women under the false premise that they perform “women’s healthcare services.” Abortion isn’t healthcare. It’s killing. In fact, they’re an industry of death—killing unborn babies and exposing their mothers to a staggering increased risk of death. Let’s not let this grave injustice continue. Share this with those you know and take a stand.
You now have compelling proof that abortion is not safer than childbirth
#maternal mortality rate#abortion hurts women#abortion harms women#prolife#pro life#pro-life#anti abortion#abortion#pro women#anti planned parenthood#Pp#planned parenthood#sources#studies#life news#prolife news
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I see your point. For me, I usually try to only link the unbiased sources themselves, but sometimes it's just easier when your link cites all of the sources within it. Usually the Lozier Institute is good about this. But I can add unbiased studies for anyone curious:
Compared to women who delivered, women who had an early or late abortion had significantly higher mortality rates within 1 through 10 years.
Same study states, "abortion is associated with an increased risk of suicide [4], substance abuse [13], post-traumatic stress disorder [14], and a lower assessment of general health [15]." (I have linked each study cited).
No research study has found that induced abortion is associated with a better mental health outcome, although the results of some studies are interpreted as <<neutral>> or <<mixed.>> Some general population studies point out significant associations with alcohol or illegal drug dependence, mood disorders (including depression) and some anxiety disorders. Some of these associations have been confirmed, and nuanced, by longitudinal prospective studies which support causal relationships.
Women who reported having a prior induced abortion were more likely to have preterm births before 37 weeks and 34 weeks.... The higher the number of abortions, the greater the risk of subsequent preterm birth.
Women who had undergone an abortion experienced an 81% increased risk of mental health problems, and nearly 10% of the incidence of mental health problems was shown to be attributable to abortion.
Births have a positive effect on longevity while pregnancy losses have a negative effect, with negative effect of Termination of Pregnancy being greater than that of natural losses.
Compared with women who delivered, those who aborted had a significantly higher age-adjusted risk of death from all causes (1.62), from suicide (2.54), and from accidents (1.82), as well as a higher relative risk of death from natural causes (1.44), including the acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) (2.18), circulatory diseases (2.87), and cerebrovascular disease (5.46).
Evidence from the United States confirms previous findings from Norway and New Zealand that, unlike other pregnancy outcomes, abortion is consistently associated with a moderate increase in risk of mental health disorders during late adolescence and early adulthood.
The rates of attempted suicide increased in the women who experienced fetal loss. The risk of completed suicide was higher in women who experienced a stillbirth [adjusted odds ratio (aOR) 5.2; 95% CI 1.77-15.32], miscarriage (aOR 3.81; 95% CI 2.81-5.15), or termination of pregnancy (aOR 3.12; 95% CI 1.77-5.5) than in those who had a live birth. Furthermore, the risk of attempted suicide was significantly higher in women who experienced a miscarriage (aOR 2.1; 95% CI 1.66-2.65) or termination of pregnancy (aOR 2.5; 95% CI 1.63-3.82).
There is no available evidence to suggest that abortion has therapeutic effects in reducing the mental health risks of unwanted or unintended pregnancy. There is suggestive evidence that abortion may be associated with small to moderate increases in risks of some mental health problems.
The suicide rate was 1.18 per 100,000 after giving birth (n = 2,876,193), 2.77 after an induced abortion (n = 650,549) and 2.90 after a miscarriage (n = 379,583).
Among the 987 respondents, 13% reported having visited a psychiatrist, psychologist, or counselor prior to the first pregnancy resulting in an abortion, compared to 67.5% who sought such professional services after their first abortion. Only 6.6% of respondents reported using prescription drugs for psychological health prior to the first pregnancy that ended in abortion, compared with 51% who reported prescription drug use after the first abortion. These data suggest that the women as a group were generally psychologically healthy before their first abortion.
Previous abortion was a risk factor for placenta previa. Moreover, induced abortion increased the risks for both a subsequent preterm delivery and mood disorders substantial enough to provoke attempts of self-harm. Preterm delivery and depression are important conditions in women's health and avoidance of induced abortion has potential as a strategy to reduce their prevalence.
Summary Paper on the impact of induced abortion on women’s subsequent mental and physical health.
Women’s Health after Abortion: The Medical and Psychological Evidence.
Also, when it comes to maternal mortality in the US, “Nearly every death is in low- and middle-income countries, and nearly every death is preventable.”
“The vast majority of maternal deaths are preventable: the clinical knowledge and technology required to prevent them have existed for a long time. However, these solutions are often not available, not accessible or not implemented, especially in low-resource settings and/or subpopulations at greater risk due to social determinants.”
The major complications that account for nearly 75% of all maternal deaths are:
severe bleeding (mostly bleeding after childbirth);
infections (usually after childbirth);
high blood pressure during pregnancy (pre-eclampsia and eclampsia);
complications from delivery; and
unsafe abortion.
Nearly 73% of all maternal deaths between 2003 and 2009 were due to direct obstetric causes whereas deaths due to indirect causes accounted for 27·5% (95% UI 19·7–37·5) of all deaths from known causes. Haemorrhage was the leading direct cause of maternal death worldwide, representing 27·1% (19·9–36·2) of maternal deaths. More than two thirds of reported haemorrhage deaths were classified as postpartum haemorrhage. Hypertension was the second most common direct cause worldwide (14·0%, 11·1–17·4). Maternal mortality due to sepsis was 10·7% (5·9–18·6), abortion accounted for 7·9% (4·7–13·2), and embolism and other direct causes accounted for the remaining 12·8% of global deaths.
“According to the World Health Organization, sepsis is one of the four main causes of pregnancy-related mortality worldwide, together with hemorrhage, hypertensive disease and abortion.”
Abortion is also under-reported:
….abortion-related deaths might be particularly underestimated because of this under-reporting. Although these abortion-related deaths might be classified mainly into sepsis and haemorrhage, this might over-simplify the complexity of death reporting
The US (17.4) has a way higher maternal mortality rate than other developed countries with near-total abortion bans, like Poland (1.1) and Malta (6).
What reduces the maternal mortality rate? Midwives, doulas, and better access to medical care.
The World Health Organization (WHO) recommends midwives as an evidence-based approach to reducing maternal mortality. Several systematic reviews have found that midwifery-led care for women with healthy pregnancies is comparable or preferable to physician-led care in terms of11:
Maternal (mother) and neonatal (baby) outcomes, including lower maternal mortality and morbidity and reduced stillbirths and preterm births.
More efficient use of health system resources, including lower use of unnecessary and potentially harmful interventions like C-sections for low-risk deliveries, epidurals, and instrument-assisted births.
Improved patient satisfaction and maternal psychosocial well-being outcomes, including those for postpartum depression.
Just saw some chick straight up say she doesn't believe that another woman had serious complications after an abortion.
That’s so ridiculous. People get so brainwashed by the abortion industry they actually start thinking abortion is a magical risk free baby eraser. They have no common sense anymore and are completely dismissive of any woman who had a bad abortion experience. Because they don’t really care about women. They care about abortion.
#long post#sources#abortion research#abortion harms women#research#abortion#mental health#suicide mention#maternal mortality rate#midwives#sorry for the info dump#wanted to list all of the sources I have on abortion and maternal mortality#maternal mortality#midwifery#im sorry this post is so long
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sorry yes this is inspired by a tiktok pls roll with it but the Glass Ceiling has really not been a core part of the (american) feminist movement since basically the 80s. in fact, there are a lot of modern intersectional american feminists who are specifically critical of the 80s girlboss working women break the glass feminists archetype for a long time because of how it hinders more than helps. there are so many american women who i know would consider themselves feminists (casual or otherwise) who understand instinctually that to be a feminist is to be intersectional. now i get that nobody's perfect and some american feminists are causing harm but that's a conversation for another time because if we're going to start comparing moral perfection with fucking europeans im going to hurt someone's feelings
#this is a rant so if anything is incorrect please GENTLY correct me#but GOD wtf r u talking about#'american feminism is harmful to other feminists" smh#her argument was 'they're more concerned that a female CEO is being paid 1 bil less than a male CEO' or smth#and show me one (real) american feminist who is more concerned w tht than the fact that WOC have less access to abortions than white women#also might delete this but idk#feminism
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#cw negative#its not that bad i just need 2 rant for a bit#because like why does my mother say such ridiculous shit sometimes#i went to go wash my dish and she said ah youre finally doing the dishes .. LIKE i try to but what do i do when my brother insists on doing#it everytime ! and takes it from my hands and blocks the sink and he’ll make a big fuss if i don’t let him do it !#like literally scold me and tell me to put it down or else he’ll get irritated#i lightheartedly told her that and then she was like well yeah you're still a woman then went on about how its the womans job to [ . . . ]#its really the small things like that i think. she has such outdated beliefs. i hear her saying things like its the womans job to take care#of the house and her man and etc and i'm like ok i Know i literally won't win if i try to do so much as nudge her#but then she also talks about other things that just irk the shit out of me !!! the rapture abortion etc#the one time she told me to my face if she couldve aborted me she would have. making comments on my body and just#i don't hate her. overall we have a good relationship. but its just these small things and her gross outdated beliefs and how gullible she#can be and stuff like that. she tells me i have such an easy life but i can't bear to tell her i was ever suicidal or ever self harmed#because i KNOW she'd tell me i'd go to hell if i ever tried to kill myself#i know this wholeee thing might be really intense and sad and stuff but i'm totally okay /gen i'm just! awfully irritated#thinking back on all those dumbass things she's said and done like. agh;;#its not her fault i think ive noticed a lot of filipina women (or at least the ones around me) tend to hold those beliefs so she was prolly#taught these as a child but . come on!! im so tired of the misogynistic shit she says and . ugh#cw self harm mention#cw suicide mention
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#the truth#pseudoscience#abortion is pseudoscience#retroactive#retrograde#no longer mainstream#miscarriage ectopic pregnancies and many other forms of care have healthcare to fix these issues#losing abortion does not harm women but does women a favor#protect women#abortion is not medically necessary#protect babies#me#desire#intimacy#intimate#lust#passion#seduce#seduction#affection#passionate#relationships#relationship#let's stop women from being taken advantage of#let's make men responsible again#let's end corruption#marriage#love#repost this to famous hashtags like i am about to do#abortion is not healthcare
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My 94 year old grandmother had a D&C 2 weeks ago because there is a mass. The Dr. needed to know if it was cancer. The only way to get the biopsy samples was a D&C. The Dr. had to run a pregnancy test on her before the hospital would ok the procedure. On a 94 year old widow for 20 years, who still considers herself a married woman.
The fuck do these idiots think they are doing?
My grandmother does not have cancer, by the way.
7 years ago I had a D&C because of a fibroid tumor that kept me bleeding for 2 months. I had to threaten to stab myself with a stake knife and force a hysterectomy before anyone would do anything.
Women's health care has always been fucked. Backsliding can not be accepted! We need to be making things better for women, not worse.
With the 2024 elections approaching I wanted to share 2 stories about abortion and women’s healthcare. One is mine, and the other belongs to a woman named Amber Thurman.
On September 5th, I received the worst news of my life. I learned that I had had a missed miscarriage which meant that I had lost the child I was carrying but my body thought it was still pregnant.
The doctor told me my body should realize what had happened naturally.
Unfortunately it did not.
Eventually the doctor, worried for my safety, prescribed several pills which were supposed to induce a chemical abortion.
Unfortunately it did not and most of the fetal tissue remained inside my body.
This put me at serious risk of sepsis and further complications that could potentially have cost me my life. I scheduled a fairly routine surgery called a D&C to remove the remaining tissue removed and began trying to rebuild my life.
Amber Thurman was a young woman who lived in Georgia with a 6 year old son and a promising future.
She also took pills to chemically induce a abortion that failed to remove all of the fetal tissue and put her at serious risk of sepsis and further complications.
Unfortunately, after the Supreme Court repealed Roe v. Wade, Georgia passed laws prohibiting Amber and other women from having a D&C. As a result, doctors were too afraid to operate on her until her organs were already failing.
She did not survive.
4 years ago I also lived in Georgia. Which means if my husband and I hadn’t moved I likely would not have survived either.
Women’s healthcare is important and access to these procedures save lives, mine included. As you prepare to vote please remember my story and the story of Amber Thurman and vote for the candidate who believes we should be saved.
#self harm#abortion#miscarriage#pro choice#roe v wade#election 2024#kamala harris#harris walz 2024#women’s healthcare#vote blue
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i feel like im going insane, my ethics professor was talking about abortion arguments and he threw out the question, "do women have a choice over their bodies?"
most of us were being quiet the entire time but after a while this one girl said yes.
and then he started berating her?? saying "well then do have the right to harm others if they have a choice? can they commit murder as long as they choose to do so with their own body? are you pro-suicide because it is their choice?"
HUH?????
#i was in shock why the hell did he speak to her like that for 10 MINUTES for simply agreeing that women have a choice over their bodies?#he was just going on and on about textbooks “pushing an agenda” too but i guess its fine as long as its your agenda huh?#im going to go insane these arguments are so shit too#because you're insinuating that women don't have a choice over their own bodies which in that case who does? the government?#you're telling me that its fine for the government to force a woman to give birth even if it'll harm her but it isn't fine for the woman to#get an abortion because she's 'harming others' ??? because she'll harm her husband or boyfriend for aborting 'his' baby??#as if her health and happiness does not factor into the picture??#then compared suicide to abortion which is crazy bc abortion has literally been found to be LIFESAVING???????#just tell me y'all dont give a shit about women's lives and happiness its so obvious atp
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