#Syscourse code

[saltedcavessys]

Our syscourse code!

Syscourse code link

Question 1: Do you believe in endogenic plurality?

👎(N) - No

Question 2: Opinions on tulpas?

💚(TCA) - I think it is cultural appropriation and am against it

Question 3: Do you think endos just don't remember their trauma?

📗(MTR) - I think a lot of them don't

Question 4: Opinions on shared spaces?

🔻(ASP) - I am against it

Question 5: Do you think endogenic plurality is comparable to transX?

🟠(TXM) - In some cases

Question 6: Do you think you can have DID/OSDD/UDD without trauma?

🌑(DTNO) - No

Question 7: Do you think introjects from other cultures should be able to use that culture's names if they aren't bodily part of it (eg. Japanese introject using Japanese names, while in a white body)?

🟦(CNNU) - Nuanced opinion / other : If they understand they are not part of that culture and do not speak for people who are bodily part of that culture (and understand the significance of the name), they should be allowed to use the name.

Question 8: Opinion on researched self diagnosis?

🌳(SDXI) - If the person has done extensive research it's okay

Question 9: Sysmed as a term?

🌦(SMA) - Against it

Question 10: Traumascum as a term?

🥧(TSA) - I am against it

Question 11: Endogenic systems using the term 'system'?

🐲 (ESO) - I think they should use other terms

Question 12: Endogenic systems using the term 'alter'?

🐝 (ESO) - I think they should use other terms

Question 13: Xeno-origins?

💭(IDW) I don't know what the term means

So yeah! If you want to block us or any of our sideblogs after this then go ahead, just don’t make this a huge thing plspls :3

[basiliskscaveconvocation]

Our Syscourse Code

Question one - Do you believe in endogenic plurality👎(N) - No. Begone Thots -Yall will get a personalised insult from me. Yall DELULU - Glory

Question two - Opinion on tulpas 💚(TCA) - I think it is cultural appropriation and am against it

Question three - Do you think endos just don't remember their trauma🔇(ONA) - I have an opinion and would prefer not to state it

Question four - Opinion on shared spaces 🔻(ASP) - I am against it

Question five - Do you think endogenic plurality is comparable to transX- 🟠(TXM) - In some cases

Question six - Do you think you can have DID/OSDD/UDD without trauma.🌑(DTNO) - No🌒

Question seven - Do you think introjects from other cultures should be able to use that culture's names (eg. Japanese introject using Japanese names, while in a white body) 🟦(CNNU) - Nuanced opinion / other. People don't attack singlets for it but go after systems so heavily, We don't support either side. If one of our alters has a "closed" name, they'll pick another tho go by in public

Question eight - Opinion on researched self diagnosis- 🌳(SDXI) - If the person has done extensive research it's okay

Question nine - Sysmed as a term- 🌦(SMA) - Against it

Question ten - Traumascum as a term- 🥐(TSH) - I think it's harmful. 🥧(TSA) - I am against it

Question eleven - Endogenic systems using the term 'system' - 🐲 (ESO) - I think they should use other terms. Obviously we can't control what they use but they shouldn't use our terms

Question twelve - Endogenic systems using the term 'alter' - 🪲 (EAA) - Against it. We don't personally believe in Endogenic systems

Question thirteen - Xeno-origin- 🐟 (XEA) - Against it. The only way to be a system is through trauma.

[duskcourse]

Our Syscourse Stances

We are filling this out based upon the popularized "Syscourse Code" and will be going in depth in our explanations of our opinions here.

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Question one - Do you believe in endogenic plurality

👍(Y)- Yes

We are pro-endo and have come to the very solidified conclusion that the experience of feeling there is more than one self cannot be limited to one disorder or even category of disorders. It is very clear to me that DID is not "alters disorder" though alternative identities is a major factor in the disorder the focus is on the dissociation and amnesia between these selves/identities. (Selves are a philosophical concept meanwhile "identity" in this sense refers to a psychological phenomenon)

Question two - Opinion on tulpas

💜(TNU) - Nuanced opinion / other

We are pro the practice of what is known as "tulpmancy" in the case that practitioners are willing to learn about the history of the term and understand the problems with how it originally came to be due to the racist history. I believe the modern practice is incredibly divorced from any semblance of what was the original Tibetan practice with "sprulpa". I am however not someone of said culture, thus I defer to them and by and large I have seen the idea that the term should be changed or moved away from.

Question three - Do you think endos just don't remember their trauma

📘(NETR) - People sometimes misunderstand their identity, it doesn't mean everyone is misunderstanding / not remembering.

When we were younger we thought our alters were spontaneous "tulpas" as we were still living in trauma we did not recognize and had excessively high amnesia. We were wrong about that part of our exploration and later amnesia came back and we forgot we were a system all together. This does not mean that all my peers when I was younger had lied about their systems or also were people with DID or OSDD-1.

Question four - Opinion on shared spaces

🔺 (YSP) - Supportive

Originally I thought there should still be specific spaces for DID/OSDD-1 but also as more time has gone by and I have been in so many spaces geared towards mentally ill people- it never goes well. No online spaces should be for just severely vulnerable people. Predators flock there in mass. Thus shared spaces, in my opinion, are best for the safety of all persons. Groups should be created in real life in the form of therapy groups however.

Question five - Do you think endogenic plurality is comparable to transX

🔵(TXA) - No, and I'm against transplural

I want to be clear this isn't us being against willogenic systems and people who engage in what was previously known as "tulpamancy" and now often is referred to as crafting thoughtforms (or the other term I am sadly blanking on). We are against the radqueer community due to extensive racism, sexism, transphobia, ableism, and abuse apologia. You are not transitioning in the way a trans person is. You are either plural or not. Working with spiritual or psychological practices isn't the same as transitioning in gender. Also I would argue whether or not you happened to be plural by chance or chose to do practices to become so the level of oppression you face is the same- unless it is disordered plurality in which you face systemic ableism as well.

Question six - Do you think you can have DID/OSDD/UDD without trauma

🌖(DTN) - Neutral

I do believe that current research shows all known and studied cases seem to tie back to some level of trauma mixed with other very important elements. However due to the way disorders are categorized in psychology as grouped symptoms and are not actually a true easily spotted one condition... it is very likely that it could be caused by other factors. DID is not one condition, it is a grouping of symptoms. We know all these various symptoms may theoretically occur without trauma. This means it's a very complex issue. However we also know through case studies that almost every case of these coinciding symptoms are predated by trauma.

Question seven - Do you think introjects from other cultures should be able to use that culture's names if they aren't bodily part of it (eg. Japanese introject using Japanese names, while in a white body)

🟦(CNNU) - Nuanced opinion / other

As a mixed white/native person who has never lived in Japan nor had community with Japanese people we believe it would be racist for us to use those names. However there are cases where people can take names from specific groups that on first glance may seem questionable. What matters is the connection to the actual cultures. If someone lives in a specific country, interacts with the cultures, and/or has family of said culture where in the names relate to those relationships it is okay.

Question eight - Opinion on researched self diagnosis

🌲(SDXY) - Supportive

Self diagnosis can be incredibly helpful for those who cannot at some point in time afford care. People who cannot get the care they need should at least have ways to try and find helpful mechanisms to cope. Knowing a disorder you may have can be helpful in order to look at advice and aid from others with the condition or from medical sources until a proper diagnosis and treatment can be had. It is also important you do not attach yourself too much to the self-diagnosis and allow room to accept if it turns out you are wrong and it is something else.

For example when we were younger we thought we might have had BPD aka borderline personality disorder. We have since learned we do not have that disorder and other issues of ours can explain our limited symptomology of BPD.

Question nine - Sysmed as a term

☀️(SMY) - I support it's usage

Sysmed is very useful shorthand for system medicalist and it works well to describe the anti-endo position of needing ton have a diagnosis to explain a form of self-identity that is atypical from the norm. As much as people get mad about it... there is similarities between transgender medicalism and system medicalism.

Question ten - Traumascum as a term

🥧(TSA) - I am against it

My understanding is the term was purposefully made to be shitty by a bait blog. However people at times have used it. It is disgusting and helps nobody.

Question eleven - Endogenic systems using the term 'system'

🐊(ESY) - Supportive

Not that deep- they're systems. System is a very common word.

Question twelve - Endogenic systems using the term 'alter'

🐞 (ESNU) - Nuanced opinion / other

If they're diagnosed with DID or OSDD-1 or medically recognized or have the symptoms aligning with either I believe it's more reasonable. However I do think it's good to have the term alter kept to just DID and OSDD-1 because I see the term as being used more so when expressing there are barriers that need to be worked through between headmates.

Question thirteen - Xeno-origins

🐳 (XEY) - Supportive

Have fun honestly. If labels for yourself help you express and understand your own identity and feel safe and happy then go for it. We like looking for things we can sorta identify with and honestly it can just be comforting as an idea of "wow others experience splits from this too" or similar.

[interstellar-cluster]

Syscourse and Plural code!

We took the liberty to answer the syscourse code and the plural code to the best of our ability.

Syscourse code:

👍 / ❤️ / 📘 / 🔸 / 🟢 / Y & 🌘 / 🟨 / 🌱 / ☀️ / 🍞 / 🐊 / 🐝 / 🦭

Plural code:

🌄 / 💙 / 🔦 / 🌲-🌻 / 🐻 / 🎧 / ⚡

Yeah so that's it. Please don't bring arguments onto our page, we're just making our stances clear!

[solxxrsys]

syscourse code

i just wrote down my own answers tbh

do you believe in endogenic plurality

neutral, leaning towards yes

opinion on tulpas

should use other terms but i’m supportive of the practice

do you think endos just don’t remember their trauma

some of them probably don’t, but that doesn’t mean they’re misunderstanding

opinion on shared spaces

shared spaces are good by there should be dedicated spaces for OSDDID, endogenic, traumagenic, etc

do you think endogenics are comparable to transX

probably not

do you think you can have DID/OSDD/UDD without trauma

no but endogenics can be diagnosed with it

do you think introjects from other cultures should be able to use that culture's names if they aren't bodily part of it 

preferably not, but i can’t stop them

opinion on researched self diagnosis

supportive, please do lots of research tho

sysmed as a term

against it

traumascum as a term

heavily more against it, it’s gross and harmful

endogenics using the term ‘system’

i don’t care

endogenics using the term ‘alter’

couldn’t care less

xeno-origins

don’t understand them but you do you

[persmo]

Our syscourse code

Just to make sure, we're open about asks about this and maybe some debates, but if you're not respectful we're just gonna delete it, and if you feel our stances bad or shit like that you're free to block us and unfollow our sideblogs, we're just doing this because we feel like and so the answers are gonna have some more in depth explantion

This is not meant to be a place for attacks, any kind of comment about that would be deleted and reblogs doing with that kind of thing I will block the account without hessitation

Also, endos DNI, don't care if this is tagged with the syscourse tag, it's just because it has to do not because I want you to interact, I gift free blocks yk?

[Syscourse code link]

Question one - Do you believe in endogenic plurality

🤚(NA) - I believe in it but am against it / 👇(NU) - Other

To dive a bit better I do believe in the possibility of experiencing something similar to plurality without the disorder, does this means it would be the same kind of plurality than systems with CDD? Of course not because they're not the same thing, even some people with the disorder don't consider themselves plurals/systems so saying is an only CDD experience it's kinda wonky

I don't believe there's such a thing like "endo system" because system in the context of plurality has been use to explain the CDDs so using it for another types of internal experience that has nothing to do is straight up ableist

I'm also against the endo community because of the way the present and handle thing

It's more like, shit the non CDD "plurals" ruined themselves LMAO /vneg

Question two - Opinion on tulpas

💛 (TC) - I think it is cultural appropriation, and other terms are better

Like if you practice that for real good use it, but many people that use the term tulpa is straight up appropriation and they can find better terms for that :/

Question three - Do you think endos just don't remember their trauma

📘(NETR) - People sometimes misunderstand their identity, it doesn't mean everyone is misunderstanding / not remembering.

It's a big it depends case yk? Understanding yourself it's hard

Question four - Opinion on shared spaces

🔸(NSP) - Shared spaces are good but there should also be specific spaces for disordered, traumagenic, endogenic, etc spaces.

It's good to have shared spaces even outside the plural things, but it's' also important to have specific spaces for the ones who don't want to be in more general ones or want to be in a more specific side if they need to, just like any other space it's good to have the general one and the specific one and respect each others boundaries

Question five - Do you think endogenic plurality is comparable to transX

🟢(TXU) - Not unless the person themselves considers their plurality transX

I believe that transX or trans-ID as I called them is one of the worst shits and I can't believe it's possible to be "transplural" in any kind of way, so yeah don't compare something that can happen with a shit thing

Question six - Do you think you can have DID/OSDD/UDD without trauma

🌑(DTNO) - No

No need to explain myself lol

Question seven - Do you think introjects from other cultures should be able to use that culture's names if they aren't bodily part of it (eg. Japanese introject using Japanese names, while in a white body)

🟦(CNNU) - Other

It has been brought to my attention that people don't really understand what a closed culture is and it's really annoying me, they're policing something they don't fully understand and most of the time is for moral superiority or social pressure especially in the system community which is fucking toxic and shit

Names that are really closed it's not ok to keep them if not given as their disrespectful to the culture, but even with some cultures being close that doesn't mean the names will be closed

So it's more of depends on the name context rather than "the name is from x culture?"

Question eight - Opinion on researched self diagnosis

🌳(SDXI) - If the person has done extensive research it's okay / ☘️(SDXNU) - Other

I don't believe one can diagnose oneself as the disorders are very complex and has a lot of things going on, specially when a lot of things go an overlap with symptoms and conduct behavior on the individual, not just when talking about complex dissociative disorders but for any kind of mental health disorder

Just like physical things you can't diagnosis with some body sickness, sure you can have your suspicions and recognize you might have something based on what you know about it but you can be correct or incorrect about your suspicions, the same happens here

I don't believe you can diagnosis yourself, I believe you can self recognize to have a complex dissociative disorder but using medical diagnosis names while it's just a suspicions I think is wrong, doing enough research like a very good one that takes you several reading months I see that the recognizement of the symptoms can be explained by the system phenomena, but don't claim a specific type of CDD please, that's something only the professionals can do

Question nine - Sysmed as a term

🗯(IDN) I do not want to have an opinion on this

I'm still forming my opinion on this one and therefore I don't want to be in the opinion discourse about this

Question ten - Traumascum as a term

🥖(TSH) - I think it's harmful / 🥧(TSA) - I am against it

This is harmful and ableist as shit, why do people even think this is ok to use? Wtf 💀

Question eleven - Endogenic systems using the term 'system'

🦎(ESD) - If they are diagnosed / 🐲 (ESO) - I think they should use other terms

If they have the diagnosis of a complex dissociative disorder they can use the term system just for describing the alters, if they're gonna describe another part that isn't dissociated and therefore a symptom of the disorder use another term, just like using two different terms at the same time to be respectful with the disorder, yk what I mean?

Question twelve - Endogenic systems using the term 'alter'

🐛 (EAD) - If they are diagnosed / 🐝 (ESO) - I think they should use other terms

Is the same explanation as the above just change system with alters and that, doesn't have lot of backup explaining outside that

Question thirteen - Xeno-origins

🐬(XEN) - I don't understand their purpose

I genuinely can't understand them

So yea that's all, probably I'll make a blog just for talking about syscourse if I feel like or if I have a lot of asks surrounding this post in my inbox because I don't want this to be a syscourse blog because I'm honestly stressed as fuck when it comes to the stupidity of syscourse talking

That's all byeeee

[moonpool-system]

hi! syscourse code carrd was deleted. so the link in ur pinned no longer works! heres an archive of the carrd tho: https://web.archive.org/web/20240523060149/https://syscoursecode.carrd.co/

ty for this! wouldnt have been able to update otherwise

[kipandkandicore]

we’ve decided to put together our syscourse opinions using @/nightfallsystem ‘s code that you can find here. please let us know if y’all have any thoughts on this or need any clarification!

it’s going under a cut because it’s kind of long…

Question one - Do you believe in endogenic plurality

👍(Y)- Yes

Question two - Opinion on tulpas

❤️(TS) - Supportive

💜(TNU) - Nuanced opinion / other:

we believe that the practice is not cultural appropriation, but the name is. we think it would be best to move away from “tulpa” terminology in the future, as the term itself seems more offensive than the practice. we firmly believe that no one group owns the capability to create headmates. we use “thoughtform” and “willomate” instead of tulpa terminology.

Question three - Do you think endos just don't remember their trauma

📗(MTR) - I think a lot of them don't

📘(NETR) - People sometimes misunderstand their identity, it doesn't mean everyone is misunderstanding / not remembering.

📙(NTR) - No

maybe some endos have repressed trauma but that certainly is not the norm among endo systems from what we can tell.

Question four - Opinion on shared spaces

🔺 (YSP) - Supportive

🔸(NSP) - Shared spaces are good but there should also be specific spaces for disordered, traumagenic, endogenic, etc spaces.

Question five - Do you think endogenic plurality is comparable to transX

🔵(TXA) - No, and I'm against transplural

⚫️(TXNU) - Nuanced opinion / other

we don’t believe transplural exists or should exist. if you want to be plural, then make a system… there’s no need to call yourself “transplural” - you can just be plural.

Question six - Do you think you can have DID/OSDD/UDD without trauma

🌘(DTO) - No, but a DID/OSDD/UDD system can form endogenic headmates.

after reaching a better understanding of disordered systems and what it means to be diagnosed with a complex dissociative disorder, we believe that no, you cannot form these disorders without a trauma history. however, we will never push anyone to ever disclose their trauma to us or anyone else, and if a cdd system is not ready to face or acknowledge their trauma, it is none of our business and we won’t get involved.

Question seven - Do you think introjects from other cultures should be able to use that culture's names if they aren't bodily part of it (eg. Japanese introject using Japanese names, while in a white body)

🟨(CNP) - If they're given permission by a member of that culture

🟦(CNNU) - Nuanced opinion / other

it genuinely depends on the name itself. if the name is known to have sacred ties or members of that culture have spoken out against outsiders using that name, then no. but otherwise, we don’t see why not. cultural exchange is not the same as cultural appropriation - just do your research and be respectful/willing to change!

Question eight - Opinion on researched self diagnosis

🌲(SDXY) - Supportive

🌳(SDXI) - If the person has done extensive research it's okay

Question nine - Sysmed as a term

🌦(SMA) - Against it

the similarities between transmedicalism and sysmedicalism are stark, but the pro-endo community misuses this word/does not adhere to a clear definition/uses it as an insult more than a label to describe someone’s beliefs. so we are against the sysmed term.

Question ten - Traumascum as a term

🥖(TSH) - I think it's harmful

🥧(TSA) - I am against it

regardless of their takes, “traumascum” sounds like calling someone scum on the basis of their trauma history. we don’t like that.

Question eleven - Endogenic systems using the term 'system'

🐊(ESY) - Supportive

Question twelve - Endogenic systems using the term 'alter'

🦋 (EAM) - If they are medically recognised

🐞 (ESNU) - Nuanced opinion / other

from what we understand “alter” is a term with specifically medical connotations. however, we (as an osddid system) have no issues with endo systems using “alter” to describe their parts, though we think “headmate” and “sysmate” are better terms personally, and we will assume someone is an osddid system if they use the term “alter”

Question thirteen - Xeno-origins

🐳 (XEY) - Supportive

fuck yeah xeno origins! define your experience with language that works for you and helps you understand yourself and your system!

[circular-bircular]

Labels dont work just use the syscourse code like the rest of us

You mean this one I did?

Remarkably, simply having the syscourse code on my blog (and soon on a blog page of its own) does not actually stop people from trying to find a label for me. 👍

[the-shadowz]

Y'all I think we might also b transkodo....

[eldricourse]

Syscourse Code

pt: syscourse code

link to code

👍 || 💜 || 📘 || 🔸 || 🔵🟣 || 🌘🌒 || 🟥 || 🌲 || ☀️🌤 || 🥖🥧 || 🐊 || 🐜 || 🐳

Question one - Do you believe in endogenic plurality

👍 : Yes

Question two - Opinion on tulpas

💜 : Nuanced opinion / other

Question three - Do you think endos just don't remember their trauma

📘 : People sometimes misunderstand their identity, it doesn't mean everyone is misunderstanding / not remembering.

Question four - Opinion on shared spaces

🔸 : Shared spaces are good but there should also be specific spaces for disordered, traumagenic, endogenic, etc spaces.

Question five - Do you think endogenic plurality is comparable to transX

🔵 : No, and I'm against transplural

🟣 : No

Question six - Do you think you can have DID/OSDD/UDD without trauma

🌘 : No, but a DID/OSDD/UDD system can form endogenic headmates.

🌒 : Nuanced opinion / other

Question seven - Do you think introjects from other cultures should be able to use that culture's names if they aren't bodily part of it (eg. Japanese introject using Japanese names, while in a white body)

🟥 : Yes

Question eight - Opinion on researched self diagnosis

🌲 : Supportive

Question nine - Sysmed as a term

☀️ : I support it's usage

🌤 : I support it as long as it isn't misused and still means it's definition

Question ten - Traumascum as a term

🥖 : I think it's harmful

🥧 : I am against it

Question eleven - Endogenic systems using the term 'system'

🐊 : Supportive

Question twelve - Endogenic systems using the term 'alter'

🐜 : Neutral

Question thirteen - Xeno-origins

🐳 : Supportive

[misty-metropolis]

Figured I might as well do the syscourse code (link in text).

Y, TC, NETR, NSP, DTP / DTO, CNP, SDXY, SMM / SMT, TSH / TSA, ESY, ESO, XEA / XENU

[the-animus-collective]

syscourse code

our syscourse stances and opinions. we do not typically involve ourselves in syscourse, but we figured that we might as well set a baseline. no emoji or letter codes, just answers to the questions.

the code:

do you believe in endogenic plurality?

yes. even if psychology does not directly mention tulpas, thoughtforms, etc. schizophrenic and internal family systems still exist and are discussed a lot in psych fields. research them.

opinion on tulpas?

supportive. we don’t have a stance on whether or not they should use a different name. we are not a part of the culture it originates from.

do you think endos just don’t remember their trauma?

no. accusing someone of that is annoying at the least and, at the worst, can lead to psychotic illness, suicidal tendencies, and dpdr disorders.

opinion on shared spaces?

very supportive. we think everyone should have individual spaces as well. people have differing symptoms and thinking and opinions.

do you think endogenic plurality is comparable to transx?

not unless they consider themselves to be or be related to transx. we have no opinions on transx systems but are heavily against other transx identities (i.e. transabled)

do you think you can have did/osdd/udd without trauma?

yes. the dsm-5 mentions nothing about trauma and many forms of osdd and udd do not mention trauma or directly say trauma cannot be had to have one of those diagnoses.

do you think introjects from other cultures should be able to use that culture's names if they aren't bodily part of it (eg. japanese introject using japanese names, while in a white body)

yes, 100%. unless the name has religious or cultural meaning (i.e. it’s given as a mark of priesthood), it’s completely fine. we use other cultures’ names all the time for kids, why wouldn’t it be the same for alters?

opinion on research self-dx?

heavily supportive.

opinion on ‘sysmed’ as a term?

as long as it’s used correctly and keeps it’s meaning, sure.

opinion on ‘traumascum’ as a term?

maybe. if the person is being scummy, sure. we find it to be more of an insult than a descriptor, though.

opinion on endogenic systems using the word ‘system’?

supportive. what else are they supposed to call themselves?

opinions on endogenic systems using the word ‘alter’?

supportive. as well as headmate, personalities, states, etc. again, what else are they supposed to use?

opinions on xeno-origins?

supportive.

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i like codes so here we go

🖐/💛/📘/🔸/🟠/🌘/🟦/🌳/🌦/🥧/🦕/🐞/🐬

[squidcourse]

Its so tedious, especially when they don’t explain their responses so you gotta check the emojis lol.

Yknow what ima just say it

Sometimes syscourse codes are fucking confusing

Like

How tf am I supposed to know what those lil emojis mean????

[strawberry-graveyard]

when we first started our syscovery we were in heavy anti endo spaces. and their strict idea of what a system must be and negativity and also general unwillingness to listen to and understand and help people trying to figure out if they were a system caused one of our headmates to send the system into complete shut down. heavy dissociation barriers to the point that i don’t even remember most of it aside from the fact that it happened.

but a year later when we started to explore pro endo spaces and saw a much more open, and understanding community brimming with love and acceptance and such a wide variety of ways to be plural and saying that all of them are valid even if they’re different, made us much more comfy with coming to terms with our plurality. there wasn’t any pressure to be a certain way to be valid, we already were. it was so freeing and i’m so thankful we’ve managed to find a home here.