#Suleiman II

[baebeylik]

Ismael, Ambassador to Persia at the court of Sultan Suleiman II. Melchior Lorck, Danish. 1562 CE.

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Harvard Art Museums/Fogg Museum.

[chaos-of-the-abyss]

hm i wonder if the writers are trying to say something in having kosem insist that turhan will execute ibrahim's other sons, since the historical turhan is believed to have protected suleiman ii and ahmed ii from attempts on their life by her own son and his haseki emetullah rabia gülnuş sultan. guys am i giving these writers too much credit

[gulnarsultan]

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I really liked the story of Yavuz Sultan Selim with the childish reader. Can I request the same for Fatih Sultan Mehmet and Sultan Suleiman?

Hello. I'm so glad you liked it. I hope others like it too.💫

Yandere Mehmet the Conqueror and the childish reader.

~ Your childish spirit soon attracts Mehmet's attention.

~ Honestly, at first he thought you would change after a while.

~ Most of the women in the sultan's harem seek power and influence. But you are different.

~ What makes you different from others is your childish side.

~ After a while, Mehmet connects to this side of you. Moreover, he does not want you to lose this personality.

Yandere Suleiman the Magnificent and the childish reader.

~ There are many different women in Suleiman's harem. You're probably catching Suleiman's attention without being presented by someone else.

~ Frankly, Suleiman thinks that this personality of yours will change after a while.

~ However, when he sees you playing with your children, Suleiman realizes that he is in love with this side of you.

~ Unlike others, you don't hide your childish spirit around your children.

~ If someone tries to humiliate or scold you because of your childish behavior, Suleiman will protect you.

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[annachum]

I'm sorry but these quotes LITERALLY are Julius Caesar x Cleopatra VII, Louis XIV x Francoise D'Aubigne, Hades x Persephone, Loki x Sigyn, Suleiman x Hurrem, Ramses II x Nefertari, Genghis x Borte and Saladin x Ismat in a nutshell

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[garnetbutterflysblog]

I'm starting to think that MC Writers do not understand the politics of this period. Or worse, they simply don't care.

If Hafsa was a Crimean princess, she wouldn't have kids. To prevent foreign involvement in the Ottoman succession, any women who married Sultans remained childless. (source: The Imperial Harem by Leslie Pierce)

You do not humiliate, harm or kill foreign dignitaries. Yet the ambassador of Venetian Republic, a trading partner of the Ottoman Empire, has been purposefully humiliated. And now, the Ottoman ambassador to Hungary has been beheaded. Even the Spartans as bloodthirsty as they knew this in 5th Century BCE. (They killed Xeres' two messengers, realized they f* up and sent to ambassadors of their own to Xeres, offering their lives as reparations. Xeres refused, saying that the Persians were not barbaric. Xeres was actually a pretty cool guy, not the monster of 300 but that's not the point.)

Do they not realize how powerful the Ottoman Empire was at this point? It was already on three continents. Louis II of Hungary would've better sense than to think the Ottomans had "tiny Balkan countries".

Probably should've put this before point 3 but right here is good enough. Keep your cards close to your chest! Don't tell someone in contact with the bloody Pope that you are counting on infighting within Christendom. I don't care how confident you are. Don't count your chickens before they hatch, or you will have no chickens!

[caesarsaladinn]

I assume you're talking about the obligatory fratricide, but after that ended, it stayed insane... if the sultan didn't kill his brothers upon accession (because civil wars were a pain in the ass, and the populace didn't like the thought of executing toddlers, for some reason), he needed to keep them locked in the harem with no access to political power, lest a rebellion form around them. this meant that Ottoman princes could spend decades in seclusion, waiting to be either executed or elevated to become the new sultan.

at least one ruler took the throne in tears because, when the janissaries came knocking at his door, he thought he was about to be strangled.

The Ottoman succession system is really up there in the list of historical phenomena that I would absolutely call bullshit if you included in a fantasy novel if it didn't actually work for hundreds of years in one of the most powerful states on earth.

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[whencyclopedia]

Suleiman the Magnificent

Suleiman the Magnificent (aka Süleyman I or Suleiman I, r. 1520-1566) was the tenth and longest-reigning sultan of the Ottoman Empire. Hailed as a skilled military commander, a just ruler, and a divinely anointed monarch during his lifetime, his realm extended from Hungary to Iran, and from Crimea to North Africa and the Indian Ocean. As he engaged in bitter rivalries with the Catholic Habsburgs and the Shiite Safavids, he presided over a multilingual and multireligious empire that promised peace and prosperity to its subjects.

Early Life

Suleiman was born in 1494 or 1495 in Trabzon, on the Black Sea coast. His father Selim served there as provincial governor, and his mother Hafsa was a concubine in his father's harem. Suleiman grew up in a multiethnic, multireligious town. While he led a privileged life, he also lived in a district where contagious diseases and food scarcity were rampant, even for the upper classes. He received an elite education under the supervision of tutors, including a strong poetic formation. He also received martial training, and he remained an avid and skilled horseman and hunter to the end of his life.

Suleiman's adolescence and youth were spent under the shadow of his father Selim, a violent, overbearing man. As he reached puberty, like other Ottoman princes, he became eligible for service as district governor. Following a tense negotiation between his father and the palace, he was appointed to Caffa, in the Crimean Peninsula. His father Selim subsequently used Caffa as a center of operations in his bid to replace the ruling sultan, Bayezid II (r. 1481-1512). After becoming sultan in 1512, Selim I (r. 1512-1520) killed his brothers and nephews, stopped the advance of the millenarian Safavid movement into the Ottoman territories by defeating its leader Ismail in 1514, and occupied the Mamluk Sultanate of Egypt in 1516-17.

After his father Selim came to the throne, Suleiman was given another district governorship in western Anatolia. The resources at his disposal increased considerably, as he came to preside over a crowded household as the heir apparent. During Selim's campaigns, he acted as his father's proxy by relocating to Edirne, the gateway to the Balkan provinces, where he became acquainted with the management of the empire at the highest level.

These were the years during which Suleiman began stepping into the limelight of Ottoman political and cultural life. He began writing poetry, a sign of intellectual maturity as well cultural refinement. He also began having children with his concubines, securing the reproduction of the Ottoman dynasty, and transitioning from adolescence into fatherhood.

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[chaos-of-the-abyss]

honestly selim ii >>>>>>>>>>>> vast majority of men on the show

Selim II >>> Murad IV

[dominadespina]

Misconceptions About Despina Hatun

*I: Olivera Was a Serbian Spy*

No. That’s all. 

*II: The Lazarevics Brothers Asked Bayezid to Marry Their Sister*

Stefan was 11 years old and Vuk 9 years old when the permission of the council of bishops was granted for Olivera to marry Bayezid in late 1389, and though the Lazarevics preferred to partake in familial council, the boys likely had nothing to do with this due to their age and inexperience in politics. 

This misconception comes from an Ottoman chronicler who tried to portray the Lazarevic brothers as spies who were seeking more land because, in truth, Bayezid granted them more land despite them being his state’s vassals. 

*III: Milica Asked Bayezid to Marry Olivera*

Though the Serbian side was likely aware of an upcoming proposal from the Ottomans as Olivera remained the only chaste daughter, the proposal itself did not come from them. 

It is true Milica, as regent, accepted vassalage to the Ottomans, however, the vassalage itself only included taxes and soldiers. Bayezid and his council likely asked for Olivera as a “Symbol of Peace.” 

It did not benefit the Serbian side to make such a proposal as they gained nothing from it. However, marrying Olivera would guarantee that the Serbian side would remain loyal. 

This belief likely comes from the Ottoman belief that Bayezid did not make the right decision by marrying Olivera, and thus are trying to blame said union on someone else (other than the one to blame, their Sultan).  

*IV: Bayezid Captured Olivera*

This is something I see being mentioned from the Serbian side. They try to explain Stefan’s loyalty and closeness to Bayezid with this misconception. 

Many choose to believe that Stefan stayed loyal to Bayezid because this one had forced his sister to be a concubine, which is not true. Their marriage is mentioned by Constantine the Philosopher, the biographer of Stefan Lazarevic. 

She is neither his captive nor his concubine. 

*V: Olivera Had Sons*

All of Bayezid’s sons were recorded by an Ottoman chronicler from that time as being from concubines. 

It is therefore not probable that Olivera had any son. 

The only children she had were three daughters, who were mentioned in the Zafarnama; the biography of Timur narrated by his grandson, Ibrahim. 

If Olivera had a son, Stefan, her younger brother who assisted Bayezid at the Battle of Ankara would not have stayed for as long as he did. Additionally, he wouldn’t have saved Suleiman, Bayezid’s eldest son from a concubine, when this one almost fell to the enemy, he would have let him perish for the easier succession of his blood-nephew. 

[chaos-of-the-abyss]

selim only being responsible for two pregnancies and both of those by the same woman..... would not typically be a high bar but he is a sehzade in magnificent century and as a sehzade in magnificent century that is a truly impressive feat

[burningdreambanana]

Re: your Selim post - I think the problem with Selim II. and his public image is not even that he was a mediocre sultan, but a mediocre sultan following Süleyman the Magnificent, one of the most important rulers in Ottoman history. Süleyman had the rare fortune of inheriting an empire at its zenith and being personally capable enough to capitalize on it by further conquest and stabilization (his law code etc.). And after all of what he had done, there just wasn't much space for Selim's own accomplishments. The law code was set, empire stretched as far as one of the most capable sultans in history could reach... Honestly, I don't think Mustafa, or really any of the other sons would rule much differently, aside from maybe participating on campaigns personally.

Oh yeah Suleiman was definitely a tough act to follow but I believe there's also the issue of the "Great Man theory" at play. Suleiman was defo competent, but people tend to romanticize (male) historical figures like him as having personally shaped history through their superior brilliance (and think Mustafa would have been the same for some reason) but the fact is history is never dependent on individuals alone, institutions, geopolitics, economics, and military structures play far greater role. And by the time Selim ascended, the empire was changing, Suleiman himself towards the end of his reign was more focused on defence and made several peace treaties with neighbors, because the model of rapid, continuous expansion was just not sustainable anymore.

There's also the issue of sexism, sexist contemporaries and historians were too eager to blame the Sultanate of Women, so they say Hurrem is to blame for framing Mustafa (even though there is no actual proof she did in real life) and allowing Selim to ascend and then that the sultans that followed Suleiman were weak men being controlled by women like Nurbanu, Safiye or Kosem.

[nesiacha]

I repeat one of my comments posted on Youtube

If I had my say on the way Suleiman's children were portrayed, because like a lot of people, I didn't like the way it was written in Magnificent Century, that's what I would do. ( In my eyes, Mustafa was seen as a pure white sehzade, which therefore made him in my eyes more stupid and less interesting than he actually was. Mehmed was practically erased of his personality and seen as a pure Gary Stu like his half brother. Cihangir, who I adore, yet in the series was too naive. Selim is seen as evil, etc...)

I would respect the historical point of view more. I propose an alternative version, I would have added Suleiman's children he had when he was sehzade with his other concubines before he became Sultan and met Hurrem and then had them die of the plague as it was historically.

Sehzade Mustafa - I would keep his childlike personality, except he is not close to his siblings (because of the fratricidal law), and I wouldn't put him close to Ibrahim at least until he becomes an adult and allies himself with him. I would let his mother take care exclusively of his education. A young man who craves recognition and attention from his father, who often neglects him in return over his other children due to the fact that Mahidevran is the Sultan's least beloved concubine. The more he becomes an adult, and especially a father, the more he resents his father because of the way he treats his mother and him. He does not really understand his father and therefore his fears due to the fact that he did not grow up close to him. I would keep his efficient heir personality because he performs very well despite his father never teaching him well because of his mother who is a very good advisor. Instead of doing something for his military glory or showing off his harem too much, I would focus on how he improves the lives of common people exhausted by too much conquest. I would make his guilt very ambiguous, at the start it is clear that he wants to wait for his father to die to have the throne and restore his mother's honor, however, he realizes that his father lets his vizier lead his life impossible to see even encourages him, does not hide that he preferred to have a son of Hurrem on the throne no matter what Mustafa will do. Following this, the sehzade wants to have a second plan like his grandfather in case Suleiman wants to abdicate in favor of another of his sons which would put him in danger (which could explain the Venetian correspondence, others say that it was a plan to prevent his brothers from escaping if one day he became Sultan) but hesitates to actually carry it out, then after some hesitation goes to his father's tent and gets strangled. Instead of doing Atmaca, I would focus on Mustafa's son-in-law, Nergissah's husband who started as Rustem's ally and becomes his most loyal supporter ( it seems that it is more a legend than truth, but I didn't remeber well as I didn't have on me my books of historian like Halil Inalcık) . So I would avoid making a treacherous Sehzade, his mistakes would be understandable, but he wouldn't be a pure white Sehzade.

Sehzade Mehmed: it's more complicated for him because he died without having proven himself in a complicated province like Amasya, so it's quite difficult to make a comparison with Mustafa. But I would make sure to give him a real personality: initially close to some of his brothers like Selim and Bayezid, he becomes, despite his mother, more distant towards them because of the fratricide (Mehmed II had therefore legalized it there is not much way to escape from it at the time unlike MCK) although he is very close to Cihangir and his sister. Unlike Mustafa, his father trained him in the regency of the palace and he did very well by dint of advice and practice. When he is sent to the provinces, he often listens to his mother's advice when she visits him. Knowing that he has the support of the statesmen against Mustafa he realizes knowing his father better than his half brother that he will have to play the role of the obedient sehzade not interested in politics although deep down he prepare for it. He has the happiness of being a father but dies immediately afterwards.

Mihrimah Sultan- I would make sure to respect the historical Hurrem who wants her daughter to have a marriage of love and happiness. However Suleiman prefers Rustem, and she accepts him immediately because she will do everything to save her brothers and convince her mother to accept this marriage. I would rather show her as a politician as well as her diplomatic relations. However, I would underline the unjust side of Suleiman, he had Mustafa executed and condemned Mahidevran to poverty but refuses to punish Mihrimah by banishing her because she would have helped Bayezid financially during his rebellion. Their relationship would be cold for a time before reconciling. She will be reconciled with her brother Selim because basically they only remain and will be an ally of Nurbanu.

Sehzade Abdullah- I would have included him even if he died very young.

Sehzade Selim- Initially a cultured young man very focused on charity work like his mother and sister and very sober. Nevertheless it is often sad due to the law of fratricide. When Mustafa dies, he realizes he has a chance to escape it and he will fight in a wicked way especially for his son Murad because he knows that Bayezid's temper will put him in danger besides fratricide. He knew how to recruit powerful and efficient state members. He is on the whole an obedient sehzade but who is disgusted with his father's treatment of Mahidevran (after all she is no longer a threat to him she no longer has a son) and who will take risks to her by helping her financially. As the hardships go on, his depression increases he drinks more and more especially after his sister takes the part of Bayezid, that his brother Bayezid dies, and the fact that he is obliged to make other sons in the case where Murad dies without an heir which means that he knows that his other sons will be condemned to death. He has become a broken leader although he makes sure there is effective governance.

As a Sultan he must face his father's mistakes, including the way he led the Empire, including too many wars and unnecessary conquests in Europe. ​

Sehzade Bayezid- Him complicated. Due to his explosive temper he is the black sheep of his siblings (Mustafa does not count since he is a half brother, they do not even know each other) and the most incompetent of Suleiman's sons and Suleiman is worried because he has inherited the worst faults of Selim Yavuz like being angry easily (without having had his qualities). Yet deep down he wants affection and that's why he has several children even if it's irresponsible, his mother favors him because she's afraid for him because he has too impulsive nature . Mihrimah comes to his aid only in memory of his mother, because deep down she prefers Selim, Bayezid knows this, which means that he hardly listens to her. She only helps him financially as a last resort because she couldn't convince him to call off the rebellion. Suleiman was more lenient to his mistakes that Mustafa (we could once again underline the unfair side of Suleiman again with this) until the point that he took refuge to the Shah.

Sehzade Cihangir- A cultured young man very close to his parents and very sick. I would make him a supporter of Selim because although he is close to him, he also knows that he is his only chance of survival because he is not close to Bayezid at all. He often sends information from the Palace to Selim to better aid him in managing his province and at times advises him to be more ruthless in his quest for the throne while remaining an obedient sehzade. It would therefore be a good adviser for Selim (and it would give him more personality). He cannot therefore be limited to the role of a simple supporter but also of a valuable advisor.

And that's how I would portray them if I were in the place of the screenwriters. They are all very nuanced (we avoid all white or all black), we can freely pick a favorite without trying to favor another sehzade at all costs, and I try to be consistent with what we know about them and try to explain why they did mistakes or make sucess.

[foreskinniest]

I want that Turkish cock!

..... whose???? President of Turkey Recep Tayyip Erdogan? The great sultan Mehmed II? Suleiman the Magnificent????