#Nie Huiasang

[myartsing]

He would never scheme about anything ever

[piiinkfreak]

More MDZS doodles!!

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[coulsandies]

mdzs headcanon of the day #405 !

when huaisang was younger he insisted on the fact that he was related to a pop star and had to commit to the bit until either everyone forgot about it or believed it enough to stop asking him questions

[cloud-hymn]

Thinking about Nie Huaisang post-canon quite frankly haunts me

[peculiardollart]

Some hairstyles for women of the Nie sect

Nie Men

Jin Men and Women

Jiang Men and Women

and lines because braids are kinda hard to see on dark hair

[ravenpureforever]

I got one of my friends to start watching the Untamed with zero context besides its a fun story with sword fights and he’s on episode 9 and he picked up on the queer subtext!

Unfortunately he’s interpreted the subtext between Wei Wuxian and Nie Huiasang.

In his exact words words “Every time Wuxian and fan boy interact it’s actually soooo gay”

Lan Wangji is currently viewed as the unpaid babysitter.

I want to study this man under a microscope.

[travalerray]

Personally I think how the different adaptations handle the dual punishment scene is extremely reflective of their characterisation in general(of the past arcs at least) + the image the adaptation was trying to give us:

Novel: WWX and gang are drinking and fooling around, WWX loses a bet, runs to get a drink, runs into LWJ, makes the both of them fall out of bounds, LWJ runs away in embarrassment, next day LWJ breaks into WWX and JC's shared room, sees everyone passed out drunk and....only grabs WWX and makes the both of them get beaten by the discipline rods.

Donghua: WWX randomly decides to get a drink, runs into LWJ, same sequence, except no one else is involved. LWJ very nobly takes the punishment with him apparently.

CQL: WWX, NHS and JC are the only ones drinking. LWJ discovers them, WWX uses a mind control talisman (????), forces LWJ into drinking (????????), both talk about their dead mothers and then next morning finds them dead drunk. All four get punished.

Like....I don't know about the audio drama and manhua but I assume they followed the novel canon, but apart from that, it's plenty interesting how the other adaptations just remove the part where the Lan disciples along with LWJ clearly see the rest drunk and wasted but only go to specifically punish WWX (and then LWJ punishes himself). Which is yk. Uh. Uhhhhhh

[acequinz]

Mind still stuck on jgy and nhs putting aside their animosity to make WangXian happen

It's modern au and nmj is not dead but jgy and nhs hold the last life's memories and ahaksksks yeah they hate each other.

But there's more important stuff waiting to happen. Like WangXian. It's the OTP. We need to make it happen.

NHS: they are so fucking stupid yao-ge. How was it easier to make it happen when wwx was dead???

JGY: let me show you how it's done. *Continues to fail for the next 5 attempts* what the fuck is wrong with them??? A-sang how do you deal with this???

LXC: oh they are getting along very well.

NMJ: *pretty sure he just saw them try to stab each other at least once today but has no proof cause they smiled at him sweetly* .... yeah.

[moved-to-shijieswife]

i think a lot of ppl forget just how selfish nhs is. and i love him for it !

hes such a fucking good, well written character. cuz, although without him, the entire story wouldnt have happened, if his da ge hadnt died, he wouldnt have done jack shit ! he didnt do it out of altruism - he did it out of revenge. cuz all the nies hold grudges, that cost the lives of those responsible, yes, but also bystander, innocents.

he didnt lift a finger against the sects when they tortured the wens, when they excommunicated yllz. when they besieged burial mounds. when meng yao committed any other atrocities. honestly, do you think nhs would have gotten (consequent) justice for any of the other affected by jgy and jgs, unless for jgys mistake of killing his da ge, something that would haunt him for the rest of his days ?

he was only helpful to wangxian, because they were vital in his plan. he did not mean to make them end up together - he was probably distantly pleasantly surprised, the same way youd be if your childhood school friend got with your brother in laws brother.

anyways, the beauty, and insanity, of nhs is that he only cares about himself. if jgy had not tried to kill his dage, he would not give a single fuck. yes, he is extremely intelligent and observant, but hell only use it for his own advantage, when he wants to.

[caesarootham]

Okay I watched "The Untamed - Fatal Journey" and I am crying. I love it so much.

It adds such depth to the narrative. It shows how Huisang managed to discover what everyone else hadn't seen. It adds so much depth to the motive behind his revenge, as well. This isn't just about his beloved brother being betrayed and killed by someone he trusted. It's about how Mingjue was made to hurt his own disciples. To hurt the very people he was always so determined to protect. It also shows how personal this revenge was to Huisang. It wasn't just that Meng Yao betrayed his sworn brother, it's that he made Huisang betray him too, made him complicit. It's all so utterly unforgiveable.

Also when Zonghui died I cried. I cried for real. I liked him so much as a character, and I knew that Huisang was going to have to lead the sect without his older brother and I was so happy and relieved that he had this great second in command, and he died. He died trying to protect the leaders he loved, and, although it wasn't their fault, he still died because of them. Fuck, I would've killed Meng Yao too.

Anyways, 10/10 would be traumatized again.

[fierrochase-falafel]

MDZS, CQL and the passage of time

MDZS novel and CQL spoilers ahead!

There's this thing where despite The Untamed / CQL having Wei Wuxian be dead for 16 years instead of 13, everything is meant to feel so much rawer and closer in time than the novel I feel. For a start, naturally having 30 episodes straight of flashback sequencing before depicting an immediate reconcilation between Wangxian really imprints those flashbacks much closer in your mind than Wei Wuxian's actual ressurrection, which happened in episode 1.

Furthermore, there are also these other flashbacks when Wei Wuxian sees something reminiscent of his past, different instrumentals played initially in the flashbacks coming back again to remind you of the themes those instrumentals represent. One of the most distinct examples I remember is in episode 2, when CQL Wei Wuxian sees a vision of Wen Qing introducing Dafan Mountain as the place where her branch of the Wen clan lives in CQL and then remembers the dancing fairy statue. This never happened in the novel- partially because, in CQL, Wei Wuxian was introduced to characters and locations / concepts WAY before he found out about them in the novel (eg.- YiCheng characters, Meng Yao, Dafan Mountain, demonic cultivation in the form of the Yin Iron). By entrenching these places and characters so far back into Wei Wuxian's past- all the way back to his Gusu days, in fact- they feel much more central in the overall plot and connected to the modern storylines involving rediscovering them. Wei Wuxian isn't being thrown into a new world at all, it's the same world with all the loose ends to be tied up. This does force him to remember the past more to deal with the present, and also links the show together in a way that would engage people who have come to watch a put-together story (this sort of strong cohesion I think is less required in novels than in a series because of the way the story needs to flow from 1 episode to the next to be coherent). In the novel, Wei Wuxian's own past storyline has a much slimmer connection to the current events- the obvious kicker being Jin Guangyao in CQL was the main reason Wei Wuxian was villainised and it all comes together in the end, but novel Jin Guangyao just accelerated the process of Wei Wuxian becoming the scapegoat and made this very clear. He didn't know Wei Wuxian would kill Jin Zixuan, he said; even though Jin Guangyao's not the most trustworthy character, how on earth could he have predicted that Wei Wuxian would lose control if he wasn't there to influence him like in CQL?

However, there are even more flashback scenes like the one in episode 35, where Wei Wuxian flashes back to Nie Huiasang being excited about fans and then compliments modern-day Nie Huiasang's fan. Scenes like these cannot be explained by the changed plot because Nie Huiasang and Wei Wuxian being friends at 15 in the Cloud Recesses is canon in all versions of MDZS. Personally, seeing this scene, the strongest effect I can garner from it is nostalgia for simpler times, for people he used to be close with. Memories are flooding CQL Wei Wuxian the minute he's alive again. Contrast this exact scene with MDZS, where Wei Wuxian zones out for a good while after Nie Huiasang leaves- no words of companionship or nostalgia or anything.

Novel Wei Wuxian rarely remembers any of his past life in detail unless he fully means to, actively giving himself reminiscing time, or in a life-or-death situation. The 3 flashback sequences in the novel begin:

when Wei Wuxian decides very specifically to muse over his past with Lan Wangji,

when Wei Wuxian gets stabbed and has to be taken away from Golden Carp Tower,

when everyone turns on him in the Burial Mounds with the same words and having the same intent they did at Nightless City (to harm him, to besiege him).

I think novel Wei Wuxian has spent 13 years in the afterlife getting used to wallowing over his memories, and then consequently repressing and ignoring memories from his past life because they were all associated with pain and bitterness and so much guilt (traumatic, even, but I can't say much from a perspective of trauma because I neither have trauma nor am qualified to know enough about it). Nobody cared for him anymore in his eyes, and he DID lose control, fully feeling himself lose control and accidentally cause the deaths of people he genuinely cared about. The worst-case scenario that he had to contend with actually happening and being, to some degree, his fault. With 13 years to exist as a ghost, I think he had so much time in which he would've had to contend with his choices and death that he fully removed himself from his old life as much as possible, leading to his modern-day gap in memories. You feel the effect of his years dealing with his emotions about this whole mess.

In contrast, CQL Wei Wuxian feels like he is experiencing everything raw when he comes back into the world, like he hasn't been practicing repression to the point of memory loss. Maybe he wasn't conscious during his years as dead? He's introduced with Mo Xuanyu calling to him in his brain during the sacrificial ritual, I think, and is getting told he IS Mo Xuanyu and he is...a tad confused. And then disappointed, but I mean given what Yiling Laozu Wei Wuxian had come to expect after the fiascos that ended his life, he probably wouldn't be too surprised or confused anyways. My theory is that CQL Wei Wuxian likely was unconscious when he was dead whereas MDZS Wei Wuxian was not.

This doesn't seem...important. However it does change who Wei Wuxian is and why he does the things that he does upon reincarnation. Novel Wei Wuxian taking every opportunity to drape himself over Lan Wangji with the purpose of pushing him away makes a lot of sense for a guy who's convinced the worst thing he could do to someone is get too close to/with them; he goes ahead with making a ruckus and trying to make Lan Wangji uncomfortable- without shame (because that's gotta erode away after being dead and reviled for 13 years) and without considering the possibility that Lan Wangji might want to help. Why would he consider that? He doesn't see himself worthy of help or believe anyone would help him, and he's internalised that for years on years.

CQL Wei Wuxian though, he faints on Dafan Mountain due to the weight of his memories- he's confronted with so much of the past so fast and his response is to faint. Barely any ruckus at all. When Lan Wangji finds out who he is, they have a calm conversation about it, where novel Wei Wuxian is like "oh frick he called me Wei Ying" and pretends nothing happened. CQL Wei Wuxian is a lot more open, and I think part of that is because he woke up from his death and was given the support he needed in his previous life within a couple of days. He didn't feel the years go by, have to deal with the consequences of the things he did alone (and in CQL 60% of them weren't even his own actions), so he didn't build himself the same kind of emotional fortress novel Wei Wuxian did.

CQL Wei Wuxian is jaded, true, but not the kind of jaded that comes with floating around in the afterlife for over a decade. It's easier for him to get back into this world and solve a little murder mystery together with Lan Wangji- they fall into step with each other perfectly- while novel Wei Wuxian is still getting his footing. Thus, CQL Wangxian's relationship doesn't evolve the way book Wangxian's do in Wei Wuxian's new life, and Wei Wuxian's reason to be back in this new life is far more about getting back that which he lost (Lan Wangji, a claim to justice) as opposed to gaining something else, something new and all the more important for it (a newfound relationship with Lan Wangji). Novel Wei Wuxian being so out of sync with the new world around him, in both memories and relationships, means that he has so much more room to grow in his present life as he can stop being haunted by the past. I'm not saying this is better than CQL, that's really up to what you like in your media, but this puts Wei Wuxian in a very different position in MDZS than in CQL, and also fundamentally changes their purposes and outlook on their new lives. Whether the focus of his character development takes place in the past or in the present. Whether it's about tying up the loose ends of the past, or chucking out the tapestry of the past to weave a new future.

[myartsing]

Siblings !!

[piiinkfreak]

I had a photo reference and an idea...somethings got lost in the way...

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[coulsandies]

mdzs headcanon of the day #295 !

huaisang is like, freakishly tall. like, rivaling slender man in height and it just happened overnight bc prior to this growth spurt he was always the shortest

[cloud-hymn]

mxtx tragic sibling relationship save me…

mxtx tragic sibling relationship

save me mxtx tragic sibling relationship

[listerbirdloml]

getting emotional about the flashback in CQL of WWX making fun of NHS’s fan and then when meeting him as MXY makes sure to compliment it using the words NHS used