#Miraculous Theory

[faiirygrahamdevanily]

🚘tatsu the car might be a senti here's why:

🚘that car is simply too independent to be possible

🚘if it were an actual car, then why is tomoe gatekeeping that innovative car technology? why is her rich friend group still using regular cars with drivers?

🚘the amok might be in the seats, seatbelt or somewhere you automatically touch as a passenger so that you can speak your command and tatsu can obey

🚘gabriel saying "adrien noo!!" = kagami saying "tatsu let's go" which matches the theme of saying a sentis name followed by your command

🚘credits to this twitter post for the idea

🚘🦚argos being tatsus least favorite passenger post here

[ct-multifandom]

Miraculous s6 Trailers Breakdown

Before I get into it, if it calms anyone’s nerves, I think this poster is a case of questionable graphic design. The weird official render style makes the characters look different from normal, plus Chat, Carapace, and Rena are all squished to match Ladybug’s proportions on the poster. This is an interesting choice from the designer: making the smallest character in the group take up the entire height and corresponding width of the poster and then awkwardly smushing the others in next to her. That’s why Carapace looks more short and stout than usual, and why Chat and Rena are kinda elongated. It doesn’t help that they shrunk Rena to accommodate her fox ears.

I’m liking the little updates to the hero suits. I honestly wasn’t expecting to see change for anyone but Ladybug and Chat, so now I’m excited to see everyone else. I love the changes on Carapace. They took his old, pretty simple suit and added a lot of new textures like the chest plate and wrist guards, and they gave him fingerless gloves and neck speakers. This gives me hope that they’ll update other designs that get criticized for just being a bodysuit with a decal on it like Ryuko and Viperion’s into something more interesting.

Rena is very similar, but her ears are bigger and pointier, the flute has been redesigned, her palms are white now, she has big poppin’ eyeliner, and her tail seems to be dark. Some people noted that they seem to be making Alya’s skin look darker after accusations of whitewashing her, so I hope they’ll finally give Pegasus the same treatment.

I’ve seen people say LB and CN must’ve taken influence from their reverse selves for their current designs, and CN seems to have some PV nods like his new shirt collar. Ladybug’s design feels more mature and is probably a response to criticism of her looking too simple as a character with a fashion interest among other superheroes with more detailed designs.

I didn’t include the poster of Marinette’s outfit, but overall I like it. I agree with people saying the bow on her shirt feels extra, but I like her emonette jacket. Her tights under jorts remind me of Mylene’s outfit, making me wonder if there’s some character influence there, or if they’ll be changing Mylene’s clothes so they don’t look too similar.

First look at Alya! Yay! I love her new haircut. It reminds me of Haru from persona 5. She seems to be wearing the same shirt, which is lame. Maybe the rest of her outfit has changed, or maybe they’re not fixing what isn’t broke. It’s disappointing, though, that Adrien’s outfit looks the same. I can only dream that they’re leading up to a makeover scene where he realizes he’s allowed to pick out his own clothes now, but alas.

Here Adrien is jogging with a new character (?) who has a prosthetic leg. There’s no good look at their face and even this screenshot sucks. If this is the same scene as Marinette with binoculars, then we might be getting a rare moment of a new character being introduced through Adrien rather than Marinette, perhaps someone he knows from rich people stuff or whatever nebulous and dubiously canon sports he participates in.

This frame appears after a camera pan right from a modernized remodel of the school. Before, there were average city blocks around the school, so whatever this is might be part of an expanded campus built for Bustier’s utopian academy.

I think I’ve written in a post before that I hope ML does something to commemorate the Paris 2024 Olympics, so I’m thrilled to see an Olympian akuma in the trailer! Perhaps this character is a celebrity cameo, but idk anything about Team France and its stars. It’s possible this scenario will be a special episode as well, but maybe more like the plastic special than the world specials. I hope they have to beat her by competing in games like Penalteam but with less cheating. It’d be awesome if the other heroes helped represent events that fit their characters. An episode like that would be a fun and light way to introduce the new animation and hero designs without diving into deep overarching drama and lore.

Perhaps the character jogging with Adrien is connected to this episode since they have a prosthetic running leg and seem athletic.

Here’s our first look at Lila’s akumatization. Her mask thing is very pretty and soft looking compared to Gabriel’s sharp, geometric, simple one. It reminds me of a masquerade mask with all the swirls. Maybe there’s some visual symbolism here of Lila being a more complex butterfly user than Hawkmoth. We also see her shooting some sort of beam at CN from the mask, maybe separate from the akuma’s power. I hope they’ll revisit the somewhat-retconned bloodbending power we saw Hawkmoth use on Evillustrator and Pixelator and explore the full extent of the butterfly’s power over their akumas.

Tomoe? Astruc said he wants Kagami to fight her and take her down further down the road, and I believe she may be a bigger villain than they’re making her out to be now. Lila is great and all, but an adult threat who owns a tech megacorp and is one of the only surviving members of Gabriel’s creepy billionaire sentibaby cult seems like a scarier enemy than the pathological liar from class. We don’t know Lila’s deal yet, but I imagine her villain motives are probably something deeply personal. Meanwhile, Tomoe might be trying to reach some greater goal that Gabriel failed to achieve. Both she and Lila practically had all the fruits of his evil labor fall into their laps without lifting a finger, so they might have an interesting dynamic as rival villains or fake allies.

Okay this is from the London special. The synopsis says someone found Ladybug’s identity to take her down, and she and Bunnyx have to solve the mystery and reverse the events. This masked person looks like they may be the enemy, and their design is themed after the rabbit miraculous. People have been kinda assuming that it’s just Lila, but everyone in the audience knows she’s the next big villain right now, so it feels like a cop-out to frame this special as a mystery. It could still be her, and it’s just a mystery to the heroes, but what if the enemy is someone else? If they’re using the rabbit miraculous, Lila wouldn’t have access to it during season 5 unless she stole it somehow and gave it back unnoticed.

My theory is that the villain is Tomoe who got the miraculous from Gabriel. The trailer shows catbug looking in on Adrien and Kagami in their white rooms, so maybe during that time, Gabriel sent rabbit!Tomoe after Ladybug to ensure his victory in the upcoming finale, and maybe she has her own motives as well.

I recall Zag releasing concepts of some hero or spy characters from London a long time ago, and I thought they’d be for the London world special like Eagle and Lady Dragon, but maybe they’re for a different show or got scrapped in favor of focusing on the main miraculous plot (which honestly, good. Please focus on the existing characters)

Finally, poor Nooroo in Lila’s creepy catacomb bunker. I hope her jumpscare reaction at the end of s5 wasn’t just the sight of him. It would feel odd after the latest of Marinette’s hero friends were totally chill seeing kwamis for the first time. He’s in some bubble here. Maybe it’s stopping him from sharing things he’s not allowed to say, or maybe Lila is forcing him to stay put? I’m also curious about the angle and what that metal bar is a part of. Is Lila sitting under a table?

Anyway! TLDR I like the new designs overall and I’m excited to see everyone else. I’m also excited at the prospect of an Olympics episode and I think Tomoe may be the next big villain next to or even surpassing Lila.

[thetardisisnotourdivision]

My favourite headcanon about Emilie Agreste is that she's actually batshit insane.

Like most of we've heard about her is the same old bland "perfect-mum-and-wife" thing, but every so often we get something, usually from Gabriel, that sort of indicates otherwise? "He's like his mother, way too overly dramatic", "Quite the temper, you remind me of someone".

In season six, presumably they will have just accepted that Emilie is also dead, and I really really want them to do like a running gag of like:

Adrien: yeah my mom was always so wise and sensible.

Nathalie: *shifty look*

*flashback to Emilie Agreste, 27, at a party, yelling "I BET YOU TEN QUID I CAN CLIMB UP TO THE CHANDELIER FROM HERE AND SWING ON IT LIKE IN THE SONG!!!!!!" while holding a glass of wine in one hand and baby Adrien in the other*

Nathalie:... Yes.

That would just be so funny to me.

[imthepunchlord]

Rewatching Timebreaker, in hindsight to knowing what the watch is, this intro to it makes it so weird.

Specifically the watch's ability to make a hologram.

Assuming this watch was always planned to be the Rabbit Miraculous, does that mean that all Miraculous can make holograms? Or have some unique minor ability they can do and this is what the Rabbit can do?

Which, for something related to time travel, it's kinda random.

Unless Rabbit wasn't planned to have time traveling powers, but potentially, originally was the illusionist instead of Fox.

Which wouldn't be too much of a stretch for Rabbit.

White rabbits are an iconic animal that's tied to magicians, who are expert illusionists.

To add to it, the rabbit is tied the trickster archetype. Europe has tied rabbits to other-worldliness and the fae. And there is an Indian fable of the Clever Rabbit and the Foolish/Hungry Lion. Where the Lion decreed all animals were to sacrifice themselves so he can eat, and when it was the Rabbit's turn, the Rabbit told the Lion that there was another lion nearby, and led the Lion to a well/watering hole and pointed to the reflection in the water. The Lion drowned trying to fight his reflection, saving the Rabbit and other animals from being devoured.

Which a reflection can count as another illusion.

This can even work off Alice in Wonderland as illusions can be tied to dreams, and they can be creative and surreal and strange.

As for the time motif, it can play off time is an illusion.

So IF that watch was always planned to be the Rabbit Miraculous, I wonder if it was originally the illusionist instead of the time traveler; as the ability for the watch to make a hologram is just so random.

As for Fox, given that Volpina "the False Fox" was an illusionist, there was a possibility that the actual Fox wasn't. And Thomas Astruc had confirmed that Pied Piper was a Fox (hence the flute).

Potentially, Fox originally had a power of hypnosis or subconscious manipulation through music, also working off how music can influence you.

Which this ability is what I associate Pied Piper with more than illusions, and it would work better off Fox playing the flute to use the power, as playing it to make illusions is a weird choice. Anyone hearing that music would know an illusion is coming, but not so if the music could enthrall you and influence how you perceive the world, what you register.

To add to it, this can work off the 9 tailed foxes too, I have read that some did have the ability to hypnotize; this can also work off that infamous ability to possess a target, taking over another.

A lot of this is just speculation though.

It's hard to say if the watch even was always planned to be a Miraculous, if the Zodiac were even always planned. Some things just feel like they rolled out and there were definite changes that had been made, some of which I'm sure were done to keep to the status quo easier and not drastically change up the story (like Mayura was built up to be a bigger bad and bigger threat, actually be HM's boss, but nah, that'd change up too much, can't have that).

[lostuntothisworld]

Why Adrien has 2 amoks Theory: He is his own twin sister

Mister Bug: There will be a price to pay! Safari: I have nothing left to lose! Mister Bug: You do! You can lose yourself and the ones you love. You can lose anyone who loves you back. No matter who you are, there is always someone out there who loves you!

This is a theory I’ve mentioned before but it bears repeating now that we’re (hopefully) soon getting season 6.

There’s been some salt regarding the fact that Colt died so much later than Emilie, and it’s not unfounded. We don’t have an explanation for why two “identical” sentikids caused such different outcomes for their creators.

The Peacock Miraculous was broken by mysterious circumstances prior to Adrien’s creation, and I have a separate theory for that, but that’s not the point of this post.

The theory I propose is that Emilie did not create just one, but two sentimonster embryos.

We know there’s a rule that only one sentimonster can be made at a time, and maybe the second embryo created worsened the Peacock’s damage? Still haven’t ironed out the details with that yet.

Either way, Nathalie created many more sentimonsters than Emilie and Colt, she also seemed to succumb much faster after even the first sentimonster she created in Mayura. Emilie and Colt seem to be implied that they only had effects after a period of time.

Back to the theorized Adrien’s twin. What happened to them? Here’s where things get juicy.

There’s a tragic phenomenon that can happen in early multiple births, called Vanishing Twin Syndrome. It’s when an embryo passes away and leaves the second twin alone. The deceased twin is often called a sunset baby, and the surviving twin, a sunrise baby.

Typically the embryo is absorbed by the mother, or is passed, but there’s a second phenomenon called Human Chimerism where the embryo is absorbed by their twin embryo. If the twins are fraternal, that means the surviving twin has two sets of DNA.

Two amoks joined, two rings that can be combined into a single ring, and two embryos that fused together to create one child: Adrien Agreste.

Here’s where my silly theory starts to go off the rails. I think Adrien’s twin was created to be a girl. I have no evidence of any of this other than vibes, the ridiculous amount of twin characters in Miraculous, Ivan’s baggage with his baby sister (Ivan is Comerade Aioli while Adrien is Comerade Mayonnaise), and Argos calling Red Moon “his sister”.

And then there’s the undeniable truth of Adrien’s treatment in the show, due to his inherent femininity.

And then we have ANOTHER phenomenon where Adrien has XX/XY Chimerism.

There are few intersex characters in fiction, and most of them are intersex due to mystical means. XX/XY Chimerism is rare, but it’s a real condition that actual humans in the real world can have. While Adrien was created through magic, he very much would have a real condition that exists in real life.

[Obligatory link for my meta about Sentikids being an allagory for intersex kids]

Now here’s where my crack spaghetti theory turns into speculation and where I’d personally go with the story. Going to warn you now that it gets a bit angsty. Something had to be sacrificed in order for the new Universe to be created afterall.

I’ve mentioned before many times that Gabemoth made the Wish before, if not multiple times, and the entirety of the ML is a 15 year timeloop.

Where I’d personally go with the story is that in Universe Zero, Adrien’s twin sister was born and is alive. And she held the Black Cat Miraculous, while her brother held the Ladybug Miraculous.

I’d personally name them Adrienne and Celeste Agreste. In their Universe, Gabriel also created Alliance rings, but instead they were called True Horizon. A play on the Sea meeting the Sky.

You can’t deny the Cat and the Ladybug BOTH being connected to Gabemoth isn’t something that would have been incredible storytelling.

Anyway, I digress.

In the finale, it isn’t the Ladybug who is alone, but the Black Cat. Gabriel has somehow found out the identities of the two heroes.

 Adrienne, in her righteous fury acts impulsively, but Gabemoth is two steps ahead of her.

Because Felix wasn’t created until a later Universe, Gabemoth is still in possession of the Peacock Miraculous. He snaps Adrienne’s twin brother from existence.

Gabemoth has either an akumatized villain or a sentimonster deliver the Ladybug miraculous to him.

In her shocked grief, Gabemoth takes Adrienne’s Black Cat Ring from her.

He makes his Wish, with Adrienne as a sacrifice… The Universe is Destroyed and Remade, and the next cycle continues.

This would give meta reason that Adrien wasn’t at the final battle: he hasn’t learned about the twin sister, the original Chat Noire that loves him so much, and still exists in his heart and DNA.

It can bring about an arc of Adrien FINALLY learning to love and accept himself, flaws and all, and take off the various masks he wears both in and out of costume.

It would ALSO give a reason for Adrien to wield both the Ladybug and Black Cat Miraculous in a later major finale battle.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk

[lukaslosteyelashes]

Some thoughts on the trailers of Miraculous London

We don't have much time left until Miraculous World: London - At the Edge of Time premiere so I decided to write out everything about it that's in my mind so maybe that “some thoughts” is gonna be a little bit longer.

Anyways, here it comes!

First I’d like to start it from the middle and talk about the guy with the clock on their forehead

This is the person that concerns me the most.

At first glance, this person clearly has a power that associates with time. They have a giant clock on their forehead and pretty much all over their costume and might be able to jump in time as well.

Now let's take a look at this shot:

Look at their left hand. It looks like they're holding something, something thin, it looks like it's either a tablet or a notebook. It also seems like they have a pen or something similar in their right hand.

Could it be that it's the same notebook where it's written in that Ladybug = Marinette Dupain-Cheng?

It's a mystery how long they have been lurking in the dark in the Agreste mansion's basement to gain what they needed. Did they just arrive, been there during the whole fight? Or maybe they've been here much longer than we could imagine. It seems this might be the moment when this person learns who's Paris's beloved heroine, they write it down then disappear to deliver the notebook into Lila's lair.

But where's Lila? She just leaves Nooro and the Butterfly Miraculous behind like that while someone breaks in her place to deliver crucial information. Is she in the toilet or something? She'll receive the notebook eventually but this whole setup looks very suspicious. It really looks like that stand got placed precisely there so that Clock Head (I will call them that from now on) could neatly place the notebook on it. And what are those boxes?

Now let's speculate where they might have gotten their powers.

The Rabbit Miraculous

This was the initial thought when there wasn't any trailer just leaks, after all the Rabbit Miraculous is able to give its users the ability to travel through different times. But after seeing how this dude uses their powers, that is they don't use the Burrow to travel in time, it got debunked right away, so there's no point in speculating over this anymore.

But we know that the two Bunnyx that we encountered so far possess three Rabbit Miraculous. One is used by mini Bunnyx, the other one is used by adult Bunnyx and the third one is the Kubdel family heirloom watch Alix got for her birthday. Now, it's possible that future Alix still uses the heirloom if they haven't fixed hers that was damaged by future Chat Noir. But either way, there are three Rabbit Miraculous that we saw and now there's someone who could use the third one: Marinette to become Chronobug. If she uses the third one that doesn't have an owner that we know about then neither present nor future Alix have to give up theirs for this.

And I'd like to use this point to speculate on where Marinette got her Ladybug Miraculous from.

The first thought was, she got it from her future self which seems eligible but after looking at the trailers for the 63637x time I have another theory on that.

Look at this scene from the French trailer:

This doesn't seem to fit in with everything that's happening. Why would Marinette put away her Miraculous? And why put it in a drawer? She's the Guardian, wouldn't it be more logical for her to put in the Miracle Box?

Unless, it's not present Marinette but her from the past. This whole scene looks pretty much alike with what happened in "Origins" when she first hesitated to use the Ladybug Miraculous because she didn't trust herself enough to become a superhero. Present Marinette using this particular part of her past to get a Miraculous seems valid since she didn't use it for a little while here and if she takes it, it will feel like it's just gone for a moment anyways.

So, she hops in with Bunnyx's help, takes her Miraculous then gets the third Rabbit Miraculous as well and then she can become Chronobug to save the World.

Akumatization

Clock Head's power coming from an Akuma seems more likely to be the case. Anyway, I'd like to use this opportunity to draw attention to this conversation between the Kwamis and Gabriel in "Destruction":

Gabriel to Orikko: You! You can grant me any power I want. You'll give me power to travel through time!

Orikko: No you're mistaken. Time travel is Fluff's power and I can't grant a power that already belongs to another Kwami.

Gabriel: Are you trying to deceive me?

Orikko: By all means, read the Grimoire again.

Sass: Each Kwami represents a concept and each concept can only exist once in the Universe.

...

It was a very interesting conversation. Orikko can't give the power of time travel to anyone because it already exists, if I understand correctly. But what about Nooroo? Timetagger is an Akumatized villain from the future who's able to travel through time. So it looks like, while Orikko is unable to grant powers that belong to other Kwamis Nooroo's ability can give those powers, or at least it's the case with time travel.

But what about what Sass said? "Each Kwami represents a concept and each concept can only exist once in the Universe." If each concept can only exist once wouldn't that mean the Akumatization also shouldn't be able to give the power of time travel since it belongs to another Kwami? Nooroo's and Orikko's abilities are clearly very different, but that doesn't mean that different rules should apply to them in the same Universe. Maybe I just missed something if that's the case, please inform me.

Anyhow, the Butterfly Miraculous's power gives very unique abilities to the Akumatized people and that might be the reason why it can also grant powers that already exist, because they're slightly different from each other.

But if that's the case why haven't we seen Gabriel use this; not giving the ability to travel through time with Orikko's power but using Nooroo's to give a different but still essentially the same ability to either to himself or to someone else? Or...wait...hmm...

We already witnessed episodes where someone from the future comes to either mess up things or to fix it, but we haven't seen someone from the past stirring up the present. I'm not necessarily saying that Gabriel has it in him to come up with such a plan and it wouldn't even make sense that Clock Head puts the notebook with the information into the lair of the next holder of the Butterfly Miraculous if they'd be Monarch's minion.

But what if the reason why Gabriel set Lila aside was because he looked into the future with a power given by an Akuma to either him or to someone else and discovered that the future Hawkmoth Timetagger mentioned is her. Or even better, what if Gabriel and future Lila are actually working together? That the whole sacrifice he made was actually just part of their plan alongside bringing Gabriel back eventually? Or past Gabriel and future Lila are competing with each other to see who's the better Hawkmoth? Okay, these scenarios are just products of my tired brain, let's move on.

Anyways, my final conclusion with Clock Head reverts back to the future (lol).

The above setup in Lila's lair is oddly specific as I mentioned before, as if she waited for the notebook to appear right there. I'm starting to doubt that Timetagger is the only Akumatized villain that was sent from the future. Why? Lila found out Hawkmoth's identity in a way that's unknown to us. It could be just a coincidence but for a show that makes a huge deal out of secret identities, the fact that she just knew somehow feels a little odd. I think the reason she was able to discover it is because her future self is occasionally sending minions to her. Timetagger was the first, as we know, she might have had a test run with him and slowly put together a plan to gain the Cat and Ladybug Miraculouses; and Clock Head too, is someone sent by future Lila and they're the part of the ultimate plan.

But who could they be?

I wouldn't dare to speculate on the gender of the character based on their figure since we all saw instances in Miraculous when that wasn't so obvious (I'm specifically talking about the New York special here) but i just want to put these three images beside each other.

Chat Noir and Aspik have slim enough frame like Clock Head has, and of course let's not forget about the similarities on Aspik's and Clock Head's masks. Also look at them legs on Chat Noir and Aspik and now look at them legs on Clock Head:

I've read some other theories before that also came to the conclusion that this is Baldrien, I mean Adrien and I can't really think of anyone else either. At the back of my mind there's still Lila as well tho and I will write about her more below.

We all know that Adrien was in London in his white room during the fight between Bug Noir and Monarch so there's no way he could be there at the end to write down Ladybug's identity into the notebook. Except, if it's future Adrien. He's actually a very easy target to Akumatization especially if the Butterfly Miraculous holder is aware of the fact that he's a Senti-being and targeted his Amok, the twin rings specifically. And he showed us multiple times how emotionally unstable he can be. Also, future Chat Noir damaging future Bunnyx's Miraculous was really just an accident? Plus, seeing an Akumatized Adrien could be a good trigger on why Marinette will never want to reveal the full truth to him. This is the only way I can also explain these two shots:

It looks like these scenes are in the London lab where Adrien and Kagami were held captives and no one really knows about that place and what went down there. So if Clock Head is Adrien from the future he could very well hide there since he knows about that location.

Either way, whoever are they, one thing I'm certain about is that this person will be the endgame, that after Chronobug defeats them at the right time and use her Lucky Charm that will mark the end of the special, since it was them in the first place who discovered Ladybug's identity.

Now let's see the other unknown dude.

I saw others call them Ghost Guy so I'll also call them that.

When I first read the synopsis I was very sceptical about the someone has stolen the Ladybug Miraculous while Marinette was asleep part. She's very wary especially after what happened with Felix. But now seeing that the person who steals the Miraculouses is having ghost-like abilities, I'm more convinced.

Ghost Guy probably read the notes the other dude left at Lila's lair, went to Marinette's room, stole all Miraculous, not just the Cat and Ladybug one then visited her lair again to deliver them and from the looks of it they also put them into those boxes that probably got prepared for that purpose.

I also have a feeling that the glowing blue light on their hands indicates when they're able to touch something even when they're transparent.

I saw some theories on who this person might be. I've read it's either Adrien or Lila, maybe Felix. I tried to make something out of the symbol that's on their chest, hopefully it has some connection to who could this be, however it doesn't ring any bell to me. If someone has any idea about this don't hesitate to share it.

For me Lila seems to be the most logical possibility. The only evidence I have that it's her is the sheer fact that this person is standing in Lila's lair right after they deliver the Miraculouses and put them in those carefully positioned boxes, near the notebook where their accomplice, who's supposedly from the future, wrote down who's Ladybug. Not a solid evidence with a bunch of holes; both of them could be working for her for all we know.

What about with the wish then?

The end of the synopsis said this: All that remains is to hope for one thing: that Ladybug succeeds in defeating her opponent, otherwise it will be the end of Ladybug for good.

Now this could be just a figure of speech to indicate that everything will be wiped out but why only mention Ladybug when the whole World is in danger? My theory is that based on that snip of the synopsis that the wish was for Ladybug to never exist. And that makes perfect sense if the one who will make the wish is Ghost Lila, since she despises Marinette and Ladybug to the core.

A little bit more about Lila

She was there at the Agreste Mansion when the battle happened between Bug Noir and Monarch.

I assume she was there to collect the Butterfly Miraculous which seems rather suspicious, like how did she know it will be lost in the rubble? Her future self told her? Anyway, the brooch probably was her top priority and didn't have time to look around or to sneak a peek when Bug Noir de-trasnformed. Not to mention she wasn't the only one who was there, Clock Head had to be there around the same time as her.

But here is the thing: when Clock Head brings the notebook to her lair, Nooroo with the Butterfly Miraculous and the whole set up was already there. Assuming that Lila has some help from the future, she can put those boxes and the stand beforehand, but she had to bring back Nooroo in record time. And I have two more theories regarding this.

The 1st one:

The lair that we see in the trailers is actually future Lila's place. Future Lila sent Clock Head (Adrien?) back in time to gain the information about Ladybug then they delivered the notebook to the future, then future Lila went as Ghost Guy to collect the Miraculouses from present Marinette and then made a wish. I have one problem with this theory: it completely removes present Lila from the picture; also what the lair looks like is the same as we saw before in the present.

The 2nd one:

I know that above I already kind of established the Clock Head is Adrien theory but I'd like to back down from that here and say it's actually Lila from the future. Future Lila went back in time to find out who's Ladybug, while present Lila collected the Butterfly Miraculous. In present Lila's lair she already set up the stand and the boxes because she got informations from her future self about a plan where she can get the Miraculouses from the Guardian. Present Lila went back to her lair in record time with the brooch, then future Lila brought the notebook which present Lila read. Present Lila then became Ghost Guy, went to Marinette's room fetched the Miraculouses then went back to her lair and after she carefully placed the Miraculouses, she made a wish with the Cat and Ladybug ones. My problem with this scenario is, it completely neglects Adrien, since here present and future Lila work together as the Clock Head and Ghost Guy. And why would she go to the London lab?

My last question remains, why are there only three boxes displayed on the desk? There are 15 Miraculous that got modified into rings. Maybe Ghost Guy put there those that they need and put away the ones that they think are useless. Or those are not even Miraculouses? We can't see them clearly in the picture after all.

And lastly, I'd like to talk about this scene from the season 5 finale

This scene was put at the very end of the last episode of season 5, after the pool scene, but we don't really know when it happened.

If the scenes are in chronological order then what happened there has nothing to do with the happenings in the London special since the London special is before the pool scene. And that seems more reasonable to me, since when she talks with Mr. Damocles via laptop it looks like he just moved from somewhere or to somewhere which requires some time to do; and from the moment he left his job to Monarch's attack I don't think that much time has passed for him to make so much progress in moving. And let's not forget that he's The Owl, he probably helped people after Monarch's defeat to get back on their feet and didn't have much time to talk about school with anyone for a while.

In any case, whether this scene is right after she gained the Butterfly Miraculous or after the pool one, I think it's one of her visitors from the future. Or maybe Gabriel from the past.

And this concludes my speculations. What do you think of all this?

[yubellia]

What did Cerise wish for?

I keep thinking about the London special and about what Cerise could have wished for.

Remember how the special was called originally? „The end of ladybug“

This made me think. Her wish must have caused something big. Sure, she could have wished for a world where she gets whatever she wants.

However, they show us something very interesting in the special.

When cerise makes her wish for real the first time, granny bunnix and adult bunnix disappear because that is something that happened to them when they were kid bunnix (god I hate time travel it’s always a mess), so she has to solve this problem now. It’s already part of the greater timeline if you will….

But if everything works out in the end they should not have disappeared???…. Let’s push this aside for this theory!

In other words, they were cut off because they never happened as bunnix. There is no ‚adult bunnix‘ if kid bunnix messed up.

But if cerises wish really meant the end of the universe or the end of time, then why didn’t everything go poof in an instant? If time itself was destroyed, that meant that fluff got destroyed and the burrow should have disappeared. Remember, the Kwami are the manifestation of a concept and fluff IS time. Not just the time portals should have disappeared . But in the end, even with all portals gone, the burrow still stands. Bunnix just ‚loses Access‘ and the portals disappear.

What if she didn’t vanish because she exists as a person but couldn’t use the portals anymore because something else happened?

Which brings us back to cerises wish.

For just a moment, I want you to think back to how Cerise/Lila was introduced. She was the new popular girl and everyone was ‚stupid enough‘ to believe her lies. She even offered Marinette to become friends. Probably a lie but I think she rather not get enemies in her way so it would have been easier.

She only went after Marinette after she rejected her and kept going against her. Who was the one to really get in her way first though? ‚Ladybug‘ . Ladybug exposed her right in front of Adrien. It’s what led to her first akumatization. And from there everything went wrong for her.

Also, cerise is very persistent. She is not letting go of grudges. We saw that she would even let go of Adrien to get what she wants.

And now with Gabriel gone, Ladybug is the only ‚enemy‘ left.

So what is her wish?

When she learned that Marinette is ladybug. Everything must have made sense for her. How Marinette managed to fix everything and come out on top, why she even had the strength to do so in the first place.

I think that her wish did something that was big enough to effect everything else but smaller than we think.

I think that she wished for Marinette to never become Ladybug in the first place. Without ladybug, Marinette would still be the shy and clumsy girl that can barely stand up to Chloe. Someone she could manipulate, someone who wouldn’t be able to defeat her. It would be ‚the end of Ladybug‘. Maybe she even wanted to take her place to get that power. And with that, she could become a real celebrity and ‚hero‘.

It would also explain why the burrow is still there and young bunnix too, but why she can‘t use it. She does exist. She isn’t dead. But without ladybug, she never became bunnix and so her adult versions got cut off and vanished. The future ahead of them DID disappear.

However, I also believe that a selfish wish like this could have backfired on her easily. BugNoir told Gabriel exactly that. It made him use his wish selflessly. We saw that Gabriel’s wish had little to no consequences except for Nathalie coming back to life. Something might have gone wrong for cerise because she was selfish.

Also, I would like to point out that I don‘t believe that Cerise is the supreme because of this. I still believe that the supreme is an evil version of Fu or maybe more guardians. Simply because shadybug and claw noir knew that they had to ‚be stoic and turn off their emotions‘ to protect themselves from the butterfly miraculous. We see that in the special. That was the technique of the guardians.

I admit that this idea with cerises wish isn‘t new. Some more people are catching up to it. Mostly on YouTube though and I don‘t see people discuss it here. I would really like to see confirmation for this in the show though. Just how they confirmed that Gabriel did not bring back Emily. Even though that was clear of you just think about it and people ‚wished‘ for that to be true.

Anyway, what do you think? Do you have ideas what Cerise could have wished for? I hope you liked it.

See you again next time. Bye!

[somewhereincairparavel]

okay so I finally watched the finale yesterday, and my friend and i were talking about how both of us got a terrible feeling about kagami knowing that marinette is ladybug.

in representation , when felix and kagami were together spying on marinette in the eiffel tower, felix asks her if she trusted marinette, and instead of giving him a direct 'yes' she went "well she's my friend so I don't have a choice" and kagami was acting kind of strange overall w ladybug in the finale aswell.

The entire reason both Felix and kagami orchestrated the whole play of Felix's story was because they knew ladybug could help them be together, so that was partly for their own reasons that they chose to help marinette

I have this theory that kagami might turn into an anti hero with felix (who kinda already is an anti hero) and might even betray marinette and would have a whole redemption arc in the end after the betrayal or something coming for her (if the writers care enough about her, that is)

And honestly? a villian!kagami would be quite interesting to see

[nothingtherefornow]

New theory about Miraculous World London : Maybe I was wrong, and the "two" antagonist are not different people, but one and the same, and none other than .....

... Adrien Agreste

At first I didn't pay attention to those who theorise that this dude who discovered Bug Noir's secret identity by spying on her after her fight against Monarch :

Could be an akumatized version of Adrien, because the silhouette looked indeed similar to Adrien's body building

But then I also noticed how the mysterious figure who steals Marinette's earings and black cat ring from her, and whom I assumed to be Lila who akumatized herself, does have a body build that's not similar at all to Lila's silhouette, but looks actually more like Adrien's, Luka's or Felix's :

There's also that short glimpse in the trailer where we see Chronobug in the burrow escaping with a book that seemingly belong to the mysterious blue figure who figured out her secret identity

And this takes place where Adrien and Kagami were kept prisonner and "safe" by their respective parents.

Still ... I couldn't imagine Adrien being the one to looks for Ladybug's secret identity, potentially giving it to Lila, given the fact that we see BOTH mysterious villains in Lila's lair, and then stealing Marinette's miraculous from her after seeing how losing all the other miraculous to Felix and Monarch the first time traumitized her. But then ... I remember one other instance where Adrien did try to steal Marinette's miraculous from her.

When he was Chat Blanc ... alone and full of sorrow and despair and thinking that the Wish was the only thing that could fix the broken world he was all lonely in.

And I also guessed that if Adrien were to be ever akumatized by Chrysalis, he wouldn't necessarily know that the new butterfly wielder is Lila herself, and thus somoene who hates his lady and girlfriend guts. Changing identities is Lila's thing after all, all she would have to do is to pretend to be on Adrien's side and promise not to harm Marinette in order to succesfully manipulate him, because that's something that I found curious about the mysterious being stealing Marinette's Miraculous while she's sleeping

How carefull he/she is not to wake her up, which could just be for safety measures, or for another random reason. Notheless whoever he/she is they leave Marinette alone and sleeping after stealing what they wanted, given that the synopsis clearly specifies that Marinette only discovers that her miraculous has been stolen after waking up and seeing the light of a wish being made from a distance.

And that's something I cannot see Lila doing, to not jump at the chance to further hurt Marinette by gloating in front of her and exposing her absolute defeat and Lila's full victory to her face before making a wish

Which left only one question in my mind, what reasons Adrien could ever have to let himself be akumatized by the new Butterfly, stealing the miraculous from his lady, and eitehr making a wish himself or letting who he doesn't know to be Lila making that wish ?

To answer this question, three elements caught my attention :

First, Adrien's reaction in the trailer upon which seems to be learning of his father's death :

Adrien is clearly full of hurt and sorrow in that scene, something which we would not have imagined seeing given the more serene Adrien than the we see in the season 5 epilogue.

Second, The fact that instead of going back to his wielder, despite how Adrien would need a lot of confort after all of that, Plagg instead stayed with Marinette, even letting her wearing his miraculous

And finally, Another synopsis shared about the Special London, and more precisely, the passage that I underlined in yellow :

" In this new episode, Ladybug must make a crucial decision, which will lead to an unexpected twist that fans won't see coming."

This teasing sentence is the core of my theory, here it goes :

According to my new theory, This special London might take place in a timeline where Marinette chose to tell the truth to Adrien, to tell him that Gabriel Agreste died as the supervillain Monarch instead of a hero who helped stop Monarch.

The truth of course didn't bode well with Adrien, who would then feel guilty about the fact that his father may have been indirectly killed because of him, because of Chat Noir's cataclysm.

Which would then explain why Plagg doesn't directly go back to Adrien aftermath and and stays with Marinette instead, because the kwami knows that his presence would be a cruel a reminded of Chat Noir's indirect involvment in Monarch's death

And this would explain how Lila armed with the butterfly miraculous could ever akumatize Adrien and convince him to help her discover Ladybgu's secret identity and steal the miraculous from her, with the promise of a wish that would erase all the cause of Adrien's suffering by creating a new world.

Because what's the point of livign in a world where his father was the supervillain who hurt so many, a world where he is indirectly responsible for his father's death ?

At some point Chronobug will have to travel to the past to stop that mysterious time blue supervillain to figure out her secret identity, and if that person is revealed to be Adrien, Marinette would also have to ensure that the boy never fall prey to Chrysalis's manipulation and false promises. And the solution that will prsent itself to her is to lie to Adrien about his father

It's not the first time that Marinette deviates from the path toward the future adult Bunnix came from, because when she succesfully gave Adrien a gift with her real name on it, that was when the dooemed Chat Blanc timeline was created, Marinette wasn't supposed to have been successfull in giving that gift with Adrien knowing it was from her. So maybe she's not supposed either to tell Adrien the truth right now, in a time when he would be too vulnerable to an akumatization from Chrysalis.

What do you all think about it ?

[its-wabby-stuff]

I never really noticed this before (mostly because I haven’t rewatched this episode) but the color here is crazy.

Emilie (or Kagami representing Emilie) is in a blue room with Paris being orange. And Amelie (or Felix representing Amelie) is in an orange room and London is blue.

Now upon first glance, you feel more the temperature of the colors, and storytelling wise, the colors would seem to convey Emelie in a cold environment, despite marrying for love, and Amelie in a warm enviroment, despite knowing it was arranged and he was abusive. It’s poetically different. And slightly strange, as their environments tells us a different story.

But then I thought about it a different way. Emelie was an adventurer. She wanted to travel and see the WORLD. Amelie gave up everything for her FAMILY and being the heiress.

My eyes are quite quickly drawn to things in light contrasting the darker colder blue. Bringing things into focus. Emelies focus lies outside of her home at the WORLD, at Paris, the city of love. As if she still longs for adventure and is trapped inside. And Amelie’s focus lies inside with her FAMILY that she gives everything for, no matter how hard it is or what abuse she may have to face.

The windows have a story as well. As Emelies window is smaller and thinner, with less space between the bars. We know Adrien’s deepest fear is being contained and locked away. Maybe he shared that with his mother. But Amelie’s (like Adrien’s) window is big. Giving a sense of freedom. Perhaps, that freedom was allotted, or just an illusion for more control.

I think this can give interesting depth into these characters, and subsequently, the children they made. And why they made the discussions they did, such as Amelie’s devotion to her son despite not fully understanding. Or perhaps, some secrets of the Agreste household, where things never seem to be what you think.

[faiirygrahamdevanily]

🐈‍⬛ I am super excited for adriens grandparents to be introduced! Both the graham de vanily side or the grassette side would be interesting

🐈‍⬛I am hoping they'll get akumatized too and some drama ensues. The potential is there and it better gets used

🐈‍⬛would be hilarious if it's the gdv side and they would demand the heirlom rings back for themselves not knowing their adriens amoks and felix would have to intervene with some fake ring copys again

[simp-ly-the-best]

[tricieslune]

Do you ever think that maybe Gabriel dying could be a canon event ?? What if he's supposed to die in every universe ? Just like how Emilie dying is reoccurring event in each one.

We obviously don't know about the movie universe since the other part is still yet to come. But just think about Gabriel dying in the Paris special universe. Well, since the Gabriel in that universe is good and doesn't want to bring Emelie back. So, obviously his death won't be due to a wish. The only way I can think that he might die is maybe he was ultimately caught by the The Supreme and had to face his fatal fate ?? Im just bluffing im sorry but when I had this thought I just had to type this out for some reason.

EDIT : I JUST FOUND OUT THROUGH THE DELETED STORYBOARDS THAT GABRIEL WAS SUPPOSED TO DIE IN THE END OF THE MIRACULOUS MOVIE .WHAT-

[almadesarrollo]

MLB SEASON 6 FELINETTE'S BIG TRACK IN JEREMY ZAG'S VIDEO (new Miraculous scenarios via Instagram) ANALYSIS AND FELINETTE CLUES FOR S6 PART 6 marinette's balcony :TRAY part3

TRAY part2

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THE FOCUS IS ON KAGAMI!!

This chapter confirms that the adrinette will fail and the adrigami will triumph because Kagami will get in the way, but that the felinette will triumph and the feligami will fail. WHICH WE HAVE ALREADY PREDICTED BUT ALSO THAT FELIX WILL LITERALLY PROTECT HER on an emotional level, which is why this chapter is titled like this, alluding to wayzz, her miraculous and therefore to Félix.

Here they are no longer implying that Adrien is like little by little he stopped seeing her, and that Marinette will suffer, because she will spend more time with Kagami, also that Félix will take care of Marinette (this in the bottle of water that she gives him so that he can hydrate, water represents Argos, remember)

Here they talk to us about how valuable Marinette is as a person and how she always helps everyone, which is true, so I feel that even though Marinette gets stressed out about Adrien passing her hand, she doesn't think about herself, as always, That will cause consequences in the future, another fact to keep in mind is that

Felix loved Marinette from the beginning and that he could never forget her and that when he stopped seeing her that destroyed him, but he transformed that feeling into friendship, he tried to leave it behind and he did it for his cousin, etc., HE REALLY CARE ABOUT HER AND HE WILL TRY TO CARE FOR HER AS A FRIEND (IN THE BEGINNING OF CLEAR) we see all this in the fact that Lila represents Alix AND ALIX ADRIEN AND FELIX TOGETHER. Also again, the presence of Lilac makes us understand that Marinette's love for Adrien is an illusion...because of the color orange.

Marinette will feel guilty, she will think that the problem is hers, THAT SHE IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH, THAT SHE IS NOT PERFECT!!!!, as always and this will make Adrien feel bad because he lies to her, but this also alludes to Felix will feel bad with Kagami because Kagami will also walk away and he will think that he has lost his spark, Marinette is very schematic, like MAX, the two of them are reflected there,

Also this scene of the ferris wheel occurs precisely at sunset, a symbol of endings, the adrinette ends...

here we can verify that Félix in some way is like lying about his emotions, so the Feligami little by little is also coming to an end....so the 2nd opportunity will arise for Marinette on Félix's side as we have said and this is reflected in the portrait in the background, where we see Gabriel in indigo blue (Félix) AND ADRIEN WITH THE NAVY BLUE T-SHIRT AND THE BANGS IN THE DIRECTION OF FELIX) BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT CONNECTION IS THE NAME OF THE DANCE WHICH IS CONNECTED WITH THE CHAPTER EMOTION, WHO DEBUTS THERE?, so practically the adrigami will triumph and by doing that Felinette will too, however this will cause jealousy in Adrien which will cause chaos in both Marinette and Felix, so coincidentally Mention is made of the cataclysm in Gabriel with the portrait behind... in a few words... this below will be fulfilled... and not only for Marinette but for Felix...

That's why they both have the same red light. This mess is going to be caused by Adrien, not Felix, this Thanoseo is Adrien's, both scenes are the same, only one is more direct and the other is more subtle.

Felix is ​​going to feel bad for Marinette and since he is going to want to help her, (the proof is that he is drinking a glass of tea), he is going to see that she suffers with all this and is going to try to help her because he sees that because of her cousin, she suffers and I didn't see that, Marinette will suffer from this love triangle and she and her dreams will end up broken into a thousand pieces, here we may have a parallel with Marinette, in the same way that Marinette played "celestina" with Adrigami, Felix could do with adrinette, all this is confirmed because on the one hand we see gorilla preparing the food.

On the one hand, bread cut into slices, alluding to Marinette and how Kagami is going to "cut it into pieces" and the fruit salad, which is made up of banana, orange and apple, representing this love triangle and clearly who loses out (Marinette ).

On the other hand, Adrien's expression when he says "it will be very hard for her and she will abandon him." Who is Marinette going to abandon? Weren't we talking about Adrianette? AHA abandon Adrien, you basically tell us that after that in the future, Marinette will abandon him and leave, and Felix somehow predicts this and of course he is afraid that the two WILL SUFFER.

NOW EVEN THOUGH MARINETTE HAS THAT "PERFECTION" COMPLEX, she is going to reconsider and understand that well, what her fears could be and that we have to see things as they are, the proof of this is the position in which Marinette is living this and his connection with cap glaciator S2, which again confirms that Adrien began to stand him up at meet-ups etc...

AND THAT FELIX WILL ALSO GIVE PLATO (this seen through the failed chatnoir date on the balcony at night, where the decoration is Japanese)

We know that Gabriel and Tomoe want to do the diamond dance to bring them together as king and queen and as a married couple, and here it is made clear that Kagami still loves Adrien and that all this costs her a lot, I would almost say that pretending that everything is fine and that this whole disaster is going to be Adrian's fault...

There will be a love triangle and Kagami will win, but in a dirty way, this confirms that ADRIEN ONLY LIKES THE PERFECT and who fits that title? clearly Ladybug and then Kagami, Adrien does not love her as she is, and on top of that Kagami is more sincere than Ladybug, clearly Kagami wins, now, in this sequence there is another CLUE and that is when he says "you are the same species" clearly by destiny kagami and adrien are destined to be together, they would be created for that reason but this could be a mini-clue that marinette and felix in the future will be secretly seeing each other as lovers...this will be when marinette is sentiser,

here a post I talk about this very briefly

Be that as it may, Kagami is involved so that the felinette breaks and the adrinette breaks. AND HERE COMES THE KEY TO EVERYTHING. THEY TELL US IN THE FACE!!!!!

I think it is clear what is going to happen....

Adrien will make excuses Marinette will begin to sense that something is happening but she will convince herself that what she sees is AN ILLUSION and she will not trust her intuition.

Now you'll tell me, but Adrien says to go to his house, yes, but that's not Adrien, it's Felix, as I said, the picnic scene will be adrigami and felinette's clue, we've already talked about it in a previous post that it's possible that Felix and Marinette spend time together, possibly at Felix's own house and that he comforts her for all the burden she carries (we saw it in the analysis of Sirena tray part1) SO THIS CAN GIVE US THE CLUE THAT WHEN THIS TYPE OF EVENTS IT HAPPENS MARINETTE IS CONSOLED WITH FELIX, ALSO THAT WHEN THE RELATIONSHIP FELINETTE FALLS MORE MARINETTE WILL HAVE CERTAIN FEARS BECAUSE OF WHAT SHE LIVED WITH ADRIEN BUT WITH HIM IT WILL BE DIFFERENT...AND HE WILL MAKE HER SEE IT, even with the worst appearances he will make her to love (this is REAL LOVE) the clue is that when this scene occurs we see in the background shoe boxes, formal shoes something of Felix's style.

and here we have several clues for felinette and adrigami, the floor, the pattern of the floor is a great clue for this 2 ships, this confirms that for the felinette to be given, there has to be adrigami, no matter how painful it is,

Marinette's 2nd chance will be Felix, after Adrien's rejection or abandonment, right? WE HAVE SAID IT IN MANY POST.... Here they don't remember them again, but of course first Marinette will have to see the truth, that Adrien doesn't love him.....

SO WE GO ON TO ANOTHER VERY IMPORTANT SCENE: THE PICNIC WHICH I WILL ANALYZE IN THE NEXT PART BECAUSE THIS IS GETTING VERY LONG

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[crystalheart4244]

Chat, if chameleon or some duplicating villain turned into ladybug or cat noir and took off their duplicate miraculous, what would happen? Identity reveal? Cursed model of a hero without their jewelry? Fake identity reveal?

[theravenclawladybug]

MIRACULOUS LONDON.... MMMMGH WOW

⚠️SPOILERS⚠️

This was literally “Into the Ladybugverse” I loved seeing Alix and Marinette working together as superheroes especially since we didn’t get to see them do that as much in season 5

I'm glad this story fixed some loose plotlines. Now that span of time makes more sense now we have the extra details.

Is the new Butterfly Miraculous holder Lila? We know it is from the end of season 5 but that person could be one of her disguises. She's more clever than Gabriel. Always one step ahead.

And... I have to come to terms with the fact that Emilie is gone. She's dead dead. I wanted her to live but she had to die for Nathalie to live. And I love that Nathalie is like a mentor to Ladybug it filled me with joy.

I feel really bad for Adrien because he can't know the truth. It’s right for him not to know but at the same time, he’s Cat Noir. He will find out eventually along with the other heroes. Kagami knowing is good because she lives with Tomoe, Gabriel’s accomplice. And Adrien is technically an orphan. My wish of Nathalie legally adopting Adrien is now coming true. She’s gonna give that kid the world I know it.

The new animation style is at the end. I loved how they slowly transitioned to that at the end. I'm looking forward to what has to come in season 6