#ml s6 theory

[howhow326]

Guys guys I had the same dream about the first episode of season 6 three times and its starting to freak me out

When I woke up I swaer I remembered reading about this episode in the show bible or from leaked story borads or whatever but tgen I realized its not real!

Ok ok, so the episode begins and everything is pretty normal, Ladybug and team miraculous are helping to stop villains in Paris (who I assume arent conected to Hawkmoth cuz he dosent show up). Then almost every person in the world gets superpowers! Not a miraculous, but like X-gene mutant superpoqers!!! The only people who DON'T get them are team miraculous for some reason (and chloe).

So mid way through the episode, things are hard for team miraculous because civilians have started to fight villains themselves and they don't really need Ladybug/Chat Noir anymore.

Team miraculous have an argument in their headquarters(?) And then Ladybug is all like "Fine! If you guys don't need me anymore, then I quite! I will reveal mine, and Chat Noir so he dosen't feel left out, identities to Paris and choose a new ladybug and cat holders". Then after she says that, like half of team miraculous quite their job and theres only like seven holders left!!!

Ok ok ok so this is what really weirded me out and made me think this episode was wrong. At the end of the episode, we see the line-up of the new miraculous holders and like all of them are using two miraculous! We got:

Scarabella/Alya with the ladybug and fox miraculous. The outfit was kind of predictable and busy, but it was better than most of the stuff further down

Kitty Noir/Zoe with the Cat and Snake miraculous. It was like the same as Snake Noir but Zoe still had her hair out.

Nino with the turtle + some orange miraculous (I keep remembering it as the fox but that means there are two fox weilders at the same time). For some reason, his hero outfit was this complete redesign that made him look like a DnD/WoW Paladin with like silver armor that was constantly bathed in green lights that made it kind of hard to tell what color his outfit was. AND FOR SOME REASON Nino had this big, ball shaped, shoulder paludrons/shoulder armor that was like bigger than his head and every time I looked at him I kept staring at those things because they were the only part of his hero suit that juted out from his outfit like that. Like everything else was skin tight armor(?), excpet those two metal balls on his shoulders!!!!

Max is here with the horse and some other red miraculous and he also got a completely new outfit: he has long silver pants + shoes and a red leather jacket. He kind of looked like Party Crasher but wirh different colors, honestly. Also he had a rapier (rip Kagami, she wasn't on the new team) .Also he flat ironed his hair and slicked it back for some reason (he barely looked like himself).

MANON/TJE NEWS REPORTERS DAUGHTER GIRL WAS ON THE TEAM!!! She was wearing some ugly Ladybug and Chat Noir themed princess outfit like she wears as puppeteer despite not having those miraculous wtf

Bare with me... Markov was on the team. And when he transformed he became a person sized mech suit. Uh gvh gh hfyffggyyyt

I don't remember who the seventh team member was caused the kind of faded with the background and looked a lot like Markov but I think it might have been Ivan.

Amd thats how the first episode of season 6 ended. Me just staring at these weird designs before waking up. And thats when I realized I seen those same exact ugly outfits like three times!!!

I think the only difference I had in this dream was that in one dream Chloe was their and Ladybug made her the new guardian because she proved herself in the episode (she didn't get the bee miraculous or any other miraculous, back however) and in a different dream Chloe was forced to leave Paris forever... and that dream happened before I saw Revolution!!!!!! Not before I saw the leaks, but still!!!!!!!

I'm internally screaming. I think the episode was supposed to be another fake out but the idea of MANON randomly becoming a hero and running around in her ugly little tutu scares me.

[uptoolateart]

Anyone notice how many times Ladybug talked about herself in third person in the London Special?

As soon as she told that lie about Gabriel and Tomoe, she began separating herself from what she'd done. She's coping through dissociation.

Throughout S1-5, she and Adrien were on paths towards integration. They were learning to see that he already was Cat Noir and she already was Ladybug. The strength lay within all along.

But by being untrue, she's gone backwards, splitting her two selves rather than unifying them. She's attempting to compartmentalise Marinette's relationship with Adrien from Ladybug's...which is unworkable.

In a word...our girl is a mess. She's supposedly doing all this to protect Adrien - but who's protecting her?

[ijustliketoreadstuff]

A kid thought of this!?

Ok, a kid just pointed this out to me and now I can't stop thinking about it. They said Wayhem, Adrien's #1 fan, may have a connection to Lila/Cerise. Why? Because Wayhem has a very overlooked, very subtle detail. On his shirt, is a little chameleon.

Lila is the shows chameleon, constantly changing and disguising herself as different people. Whether or not she has a connection to Wayhem, or anyone in Paris for that matter, is something we will have to wait and see.

They also pointed out that Wayhem being connected to Lila/Cerise would explain why he was so hurt over Adrien possibly lying to him back in "Party Crasher", he was hurt because he had already experienced being lied to too many times by one other person in his life he held in high regard.

To anyone wondering if we have actually seen Wayhem and Lila in the same room. We did. In the school cafeteria, episode "illusion". Lila took a picture of Adrien and uploaded it on all her social medias. Wayhem showed up a few minutes later along with a crowd of people.

One of Lila's akumatized names was literally "Chameleon". The only thing missing to complete the connection is to actually see Wayhem and Lila interact. All this from a 6 year old's little theory!

[ct-multifandom]

Miraculous s6 Trailers Breakdown

Before I get into it, if it calms anyone’s nerves, I think this poster is a case of questionable graphic design. The weird official render style makes the characters look different from normal, plus Chat, Carapace, and Rena are all squished to match Ladybug’s proportions on the poster. This is an interesting choice from the designer: making the smallest character in the group take up the entire height and corresponding width of the poster and then awkwardly smushing the others in next to her. That’s why Carapace looks more short and stout than usual, and why Chat and Rena are kinda elongated. It doesn’t help that they shrunk Rena to accommodate her fox ears.

I’m liking the little updates to the hero suits. I honestly wasn’t expecting to see change for anyone but Ladybug and Chat, so now I’m excited to see everyone else. I love the changes on Carapace. They took his old, pretty simple suit and added a lot of new textures like the chest plate and wrist guards, and they gave him fingerless gloves and neck speakers. This gives me hope that they’ll update other designs that get criticized for just being a bodysuit with a decal on it like Ryuko and Viperion’s into something more interesting.

Rena is very similar, but her ears are bigger and pointier, the flute has been redesigned, her palms are white now, she has big poppin’ eyeliner, and her tail seems to be dark. Some people noted that they seem to be making Alya’s skin look darker after accusations of whitewashing her, so I hope they’ll finally give Pegasus the same treatment.

I’ve seen people say LB and CN must’ve taken influence from their reverse selves for their current designs, and CN seems to have some PV nods like his new shirt collar. Ladybug’s design feels more mature and is probably a response to criticism of her looking too simple as a character with a fashion interest among other superheroes with more detailed designs.

I didn’t include the poster of Marinette’s outfit, but overall I like it. I agree with people saying the bow on her shirt feels extra, but I like her emonette jacket. Her tights under jorts remind me of Mylene’s outfit, making me wonder if there’s some character influence there, or if they’ll be changing Mylene’s clothes so they don’t look too similar.

First look at Alya! Yay! I love her new haircut. It reminds me of Haru from persona 5. She seems to be wearing the same shirt, which is lame. Maybe the rest of her outfit has changed, or maybe they’re not fixing what isn’t broke. It’s disappointing, though, that Adrien’s outfit looks the same. I can only dream that they’re leading up to a makeover scene where he realizes he’s allowed to pick out his own clothes now, but alas.

Here Adrien is jogging with a new character (?) who has a prosthetic leg. There’s no good look at their face and even this screenshot sucks. If this is the same scene as Marinette with binoculars, then we might be getting a rare moment of a new character being introduced through Adrien rather than Marinette, perhaps someone he knows from rich people stuff or whatever nebulous and dubiously canon sports he participates in.

This frame appears after a camera pan right from a modernized remodel of the school. Before, there were average city blocks around the school, so whatever this is might be part of an expanded campus built for Bustier’s utopian academy.

I think I’ve written in a post before that I hope ML does something to commemorate the Paris 2024 Olympics, so I’m thrilled to see an Olympian akuma in the trailer! Perhaps this character is a celebrity cameo, but idk anything about Team France and its stars. It’s possible this scenario will be a special episode as well, but maybe more like the plastic special than the world specials. I hope they have to beat her by competing in games like Penalteam but with less cheating. It’d be awesome if the other heroes helped represent events that fit their characters. An episode like that would be a fun and light way to introduce the new animation and hero designs without diving into deep overarching drama and lore.

Perhaps the character jogging with Adrien is connected to this episode since they have a prosthetic running leg and seem athletic.

Here’s our first look at Lila’s akumatization. Her mask thing is very pretty and soft looking compared to Gabriel’s sharp, geometric, simple one. It reminds me of a masquerade mask with all the swirls. Maybe there’s some visual symbolism here of Lila being a more complex butterfly user than Hawkmoth. We also see her shooting some sort of beam at CN from the mask, maybe separate from the akuma’s power. I hope they’ll revisit the somewhat-retconned bloodbending power we saw Hawkmoth use on Evillustrator and Pixelator and explore the full extent of the butterfly’s power over their akumas.

Tomoe? Astruc said he wants Kagami to fight her and take her down further down the road, and I believe she may be a bigger villain than they’re making her out to be now. Lila is great and all, but an adult threat who owns a tech megacorp and is one of the only surviving members of Gabriel’s creepy billionaire sentibaby cult seems like a scarier enemy than the pathological liar from class. We don’t know Lila’s deal yet, but I imagine her villain motives are probably something deeply personal. Meanwhile, Tomoe might be trying to reach some greater goal that Gabriel failed to achieve. Both she and Lila practically had all the fruits of his evil labor fall into their laps without lifting a finger, so they might have an interesting dynamic as rival villains or fake allies.

Okay this is from the London special. The synopsis says someone found Ladybug’s identity to take her down, and she and Bunnyx have to solve the mystery and reverse the events. This masked person looks like they may be the enemy, and their design is themed after the rabbit miraculous. People have been kinda assuming that it’s just Lila, but everyone in the audience knows she’s the next big villain right now, so it feels like a cop-out to frame this special as a mystery. It could still be her, and it’s just a mystery to the heroes, but what if the enemy is someone else? If they’re using the rabbit miraculous, Lila wouldn’t have access to it during season 5 unless she stole it somehow and gave it back unnoticed.

My theory is that the villain is Tomoe who got the miraculous from Gabriel. The trailer shows catbug looking in on Adrien and Kagami in their white rooms, so maybe during that time, Gabriel sent rabbit!Tomoe after Ladybug to ensure his victory in the upcoming finale, and maybe she has her own motives as well.

I recall Zag releasing concepts of some hero or spy characters from London a long time ago, and I thought they’d be for the London world special like Eagle and Lady Dragon, but maybe they’re for a different show or got scrapped in favor of focusing on the main miraculous plot (which honestly, good. Please focus on the existing characters)

Finally, poor Nooroo in Lila’s creepy catacomb bunker. I hope her jumpscare reaction at the end of s5 wasn’t just the sight of him. It would feel odd after the latest of Marinette’s hero friends were totally chill seeing kwamis for the first time. He’s in some bubble here. Maybe it’s stopping him from sharing things he’s not allowed to say, or maybe Lila is forcing him to stay put? I’m also curious about the angle and what that metal bar is a part of. Is Lila sitting under a table?

Anyway! TLDR I like the new designs overall and I’m excited to see everyone else. I’m also excited at the prospect of an Olympics episode and I think Tomoe may be the next big villain next to or even surpassing Lila.

[faiirygrahamdevanily]

🐈‍⬛ I am super excited for adriens grandparents to be introduced! Both the graham de vanily side or the grassette side would be interesting

🐈‍⬛I am hoping they'll get akumatized too and some drama ensues. The potential is there and it better gets used

🐈‍⬛would be hilarious if it's the gdv side and they would demand the heirlom rings back for themselves not knowing their adriens amoks and felix would have to intervene with some fake ring copys again

[kilfeur]

Je pensais à quelque chose pour Adrien et ce qui pourrait lui arriver dans la saison 6. Dans la dernière scène qu'il partage avec Marinette, il dit qu'il se sent libre. C'est quelque chose qu'il a toujours souhaité mais maintenant quoi exactement ? Je ne pense pas que juste parce qu'il voit son père comme héros. Qu'il a tout oublier, il le sait que son père est très loin d'avoir été modèle. Mais je me demande si certains vont pas justement avoir des attentes sur le fait que son père est un héros donc il doit en être un lui aussi. Mais surtout dans le public et pour faire parler pas comme il pourrait le faire avec sa double identité.

Tomoe Tsurugi pourrait justement faire sous déguisement d'honorer son père. Kagami, sa fille pourrait justement s'y opposer provoquant justement d'autres conflits avec sa mère. Ou bien sa liberté peut être volé par Lila alias Cerise en volant sa bague. Lui faisant croire à des mensonges pour qu'il soit de son côté et sous son contrôle.

La saison 4 était avant tout sur sa quête d'identité, lui faisant comprendre que justement chaque partie de lui sont importants et font parti intégrante de lui. La saison 5 était justement de comprendre comment marchent les relations amoureuses montrant aussi qu'il se détache de son père, le faisant face en tant que Chat Noir, sacrifiant son miraculous pour le donner à Plagg et ainsi le transmettre à Marinette par craindre de perdre le contrôle. Alors que Gabriel s'enfonce dans sa folie destructeur, lui va de l'avant ! D'ailleurs je trouvais que cette saison 5, il faisait plus ado, tu le voyais plus avec les autres personnellement. Alors que par exemple en début de saison 4, il ne voulait pas montrer ce qu'il est vraiment à Kagami dans la scène du dessin.

Donc celui qui pourrait mettre des limites et craindre que sa liberté pourrait être hors de contrôle, pourrait être Adrien. Ce qui donnerait un développement intéressant en terme de psychologie ce qui irait avec Marinette que j'y pense, aura un tiraillement concernant les mensonges envers Adrien.

I was thinking about something for Adrien and what might happen to him in season 6. In the last scene he shares with Marinette, he says he feels free. It's something he's always wanted, but now what exactly? I don't think just because he sees his father as a hero. That he as forgotten everything, he knows that his father was far from a role model. But I wonder if some people won't just have expectations that his father is a hero so he has to be one too. But mostly in the public eye and to get people talking, not like he might with his double identity.

Tomoe Tsurugi could do just that under disguise to honor her father. Kagami, her daughter, may oppose, provoking further conflict with her mother. Or his freedom could be stolen by Lila aka Cerise by stealing his ring. Making him believe lies to get him on her side and under her control.

Season 4 was all about his quest for identity, making him realize that every part of him is important and integral. Season 5 was all about understanding how relationships work, and how he detaches himself from his father, facing him as Chat Noir, sacrificing his miraculous to give it to Plagg and then passing it on to Marinette for fear of losing control. While Gabriel sinks into his destructive madness, he moves forward! In fact, I thought that in season 5, he was more of a teenager, and you saw him more personally with the others. Whereas at the start of season 4, for example, he didn't want to show Kagami what he really is in the drawing scene.

So the one who might set limits and fear that his freedom might be out of control, could be Adrien. Which would make for an interesting development in terms of psychology, which would go hand in hand with Marinette, who I think will have a tug-of-war about lying to Adrien.

[piromina]

oh god, what if iris poses at Marinettes half sister in season 6

[uptoolateart]

The S5 finale suggested that Marinette had told Adrien's family secrets to Alya and Su-Han. I was so relieved to see in the special that she didn't do this. She's lying to them all. If she'd told others, it would've been such a betrayal to Adrien.

Similarly, it's a relief that she asked Kagami and Nathalie to keep the secret. By extension, this becomes a request to Felix, too. Yes, they could tell Adrien at any time, but now it would mean getting between Adrien and Marinette. I better understand why they would think twice about it. For that reason, he will be better able to forgive them when he learns the truth - because he has to.

What really hit me was the way Marinette scrolled through her phone contacts and paused at Adrien's name, then moved on and rang Alya. From Adrien's perspective, there's no reason for Marinette to avoid him. But from her point of view, this can't help but become a wall in their relationship.

[noblechaton]

gonna ramble a bit about the ml art style change bc ig I have more thoughts about it than I knew. tagging this as leaks but no like story stuff is gonna be mentioned bc I don't really know any lol

so going off what little we've seen of it (and in arguably the lowest possible quality at that) I think it's gonna make the show very visually pretty which isn't to say it couldn't be or wasn't in the older style(s) but that was def more inconsistent between studios and such so if this new style is the standard then like. yeah it's gonna look great

buuuuuuuut I also think it looks kinda. generic? like what's happened to a lotta brand logos that used to have personality but now all look super flat and simplified. like the Pepsi logo or whatever. it's a similar situation to the movie (I'll get into this in a bit) where like yes it looks pretty but it doesn't really look like Miraculous to me? like ik the style kinda varied somewhat between the studios but it was largely consistent enough and felt much more unique. like I could see a screencap from any timestamp of any episode and place it as Miraculous just bc of the visual style

now tho it looks less unique to me and more....like a mobile game ad? some kinda un-marketed direct to streaming movie? not trying to sound mean or anything but it just doesn't strike that same feeling the old style did for me as of yet. it feels more like an attempt to ape off a generic Pixar/Disney sorta style which the movie's style did too - and that ig is a good excuse for me to kinda dive into my thoughts there bc like. it looks way more like that movie now right? the y'know completely non-canon movie that to my knowledge wasn't received too terribly well lmao. I feel like this is on some level purposeful tho

I made a post the other day about how someone (especially the youngins) might go into season 6 thinking it's actually more of a season 1 only to presumably find that very much isn't the case pretty quick lmao - but that's still a new viewer, which makes number go up, which is a Good Thing. that s6 looks to be something of a fresh start given the whole Gabe in da Ground situation makes me believe this more since I'm pretty sure he got got in the movie too (<- does not remember the movie she saw twice) albeit in a different way. very real chance they view s6 as something of a soft launch pad with the hope of ppl who only saw the movie just jumping in without looking first. I also have an even more insane conspiracy theory that they're using movie assets at lower res for the sake of cost management but again. nutso hunch

regardless I'm kinda surprised they're changing it so drastically this deep into the series and I have no idea how the quality of animation is gonna hold up from episode to episode, season to season. presumably this is part'a why we haven't had s6 drop yet, that they've been working on it thoroughly, but it's been a good minute since s5 ended and I feel like the drought in content isn't really worth it?

like it's been so long that to me sometimes it's felt like the show straight up ended and while I don't mind a wait like this, the show then coming back looking entirely different to how it used to is gonna be jarring. I'm giving it a chance bc we haven't really seen it yet and that footage is very likely a wip of some sort but all the same I'm not terribly impressed? the emotions seem more stilted and flat, there's a few sorta redesigns that look....off (namely Adrichat, imo), and it feels too much like an attempt at cashing in on whatever success the movie might have had by bringing the look of the show more in line with it

think what gets me the most is that the style and animation of the show was one of the biggest things that drew me in beyond the bugcat of it all. it was the first CG animated show I'd seen where I felt as if the animation really worked; the world felt alive and vibrant, the city lived in and populated, but it didn't feel uncanny or like realistic in any sense, and there were plenty of gaffs and flaws throughout but I feel that only endeared the look of the show to me more - it had its own style that stood out for better or worse and I think that played more a role in the show's success than most have given credit for, and now that it's being entirely dropped in favor of a style that feels much more like some generic CG animation style I can't help but feel a bit disheartened and even nervous about the future of the series tbh

want to say that I'm not looking to hate it - I'm gonna give it a chance, and again I think it does visually look pretty, but I feel like it loses a lot of what made the show stand out to me and changes things I don't think really needed changed. time will tell but as of now I'm really not sold on it

also think having a special (or two? maybe?) in the old style just to drop us into the newer one presumably shortly after is kinda weird. wonder what happened there. bad timing? tbh using a special to introduce it mighta helped a bit but idk for sure

[giuliafc]

Oh okay, it makes sense now; yes I'm with you.

But yes, things could change in s06ep1 by pure accident, and Félix would join forces with Luka at becoming public danger n1 by knowing the identity of both heroes.

We shall just wait and see ;)

There are so many things that can go wrong here, and to be completely honest, I don't want the reveal anymore; I'm actually quite scared of the first time Ladybug may break down under the pressure of her web of lies and tell Chat Noir the truth. Because she doesn't know he's Adrien, and she doesn't know that she's opening a whole can of worms by doing that.

i had a gd heart attack at this before i realized that she's wearing BLACK, and black is AMELIE'S colors 😭😭 Emilie wears white, Amelie wears black. That's how they've always been differentiated, and since every character is here, it makes sense that Amelie would be, too. But we only see one twin.

Also, notably, she is shown in the shot right after Felix is shown

I think Gabriel's wish simply transferred Nathalie's illness to himself, killing him and saving Nathalie. This is why there weren't any sudden deaths or illnesses to account for in the ending— Gabriel took Nathalie's illness. That's all. No other balances to account for.

And this shot is Gabriel essentially deciding to "join" Emilie in "heaven" (you get what I mean)

After he watched the video of Emilie saying she didn't want to be revived, Gabriel took it to heart. He didn't revive her. He simply joined her.

[gentil-minou]

I know this topic tends to be controversial in the fandom, but do you think Chloe's arc in season 2 was supposed to lead to redemption, or was it never really supposed to be a redemption arc? I know some people believe that she was getting a redemption at first before Thomas changed his mind, and others believe it was never really supposed to be a redemption arc. I don't know what to believe because episodes like Malediktator did seem to imply she was changing for the better with her crying to Ladybug, telling Ladybug that she understands being a hero isn't just about cleaning up messes, and telling her butler she can clean up the balcony.

Tbh I'm really confused as well, because even in season 4 (Queen Banana) we see glimpses the suggest theyre setting up something of a redemption for Chloé , by showing her interactions with her sister who seems to want to help her. Then with Penalteam and Risk we see her team up with Lila, suggesting that she does in fact care mostly for herself.

That being said, I think she did learn something at the end of Penalteam. Im waiting for the English dub to come out officially so I can listen and watch without getting upset by the bootleg, but I got an ask about Chloe when she broke her own akumatization, AGAIN.

It bears saying, Chloé was one of the first if not the first to break free, so I think there's something there....

My current theory is Chloé realized she can't be on her own team, but she does not feel like she can join the class and both sides have become pretty hostile to each other. And Lila has a keen manipulation skills, so a target like Chloé is easy for her to get. But I do think at least Chloe has learned she wants to be part of a team, at her core Chloé just wants to be loved. She just doesn't know how to get it and lashes out. But I don't think Lila will give that to her and hopefully Chloé will realize it before it's too late.

Perhaps Chloé will change her ways in season 5. She seems like a good candidate to be the friend who accepts Adrien despite being a senti (not to mention if she's one as well), being one of the few characters who knew him as a kid. Maybe that will be they way we see them repair the rift between them?

All I can say is we just gotta wait and see. But I do think while s2 was a mess, we are going to see something come from Chloé so I don't think a redemption is impossible.

[kilfeur]

Alors j'avais envisagé la possibilité qu'Adrien puisse fuguer dans un précédent post une fois qu'il ait apprit la vérité. Mais je me dis et si dans sa fugue, il fait la rencontre de ses parents paternels ? Je sais que les grands parents maternels ont déjà été mentionné dans la s5. Mais je serai curieuse de connaître les parents de Gabriel.

So I had considered the possibility that Adrien might run away in a previous post once he learns the truth. But I'm thinking what if in his running away, he meets his paternal parents? I know that maternal grandparents have already been mentioned in s5. But I'd be curious to know Gabriel's parents.

[piromina]

I (think i) know what this was

So I'm pretty sure everyone remembers the very end of the season 5 finale, and like how Cerise was terrified by something at the end. And I've heard things like 'Nooroo's true form' and 'Gabriel's ghost'. But guys, you're thinking too big. The answer is simple.

It's this:

The window.

Because guys, you're not going to tell me Gabriel just ordered this butterfly shaped window that can sense negative emotions on amazon and had it put in his basement without raising suspicions. It's gotta be some kind of bonus to having the butterfly miraculous.

And you'll probably notice, the whole electricity thing happened to Cerise right after she put on the brooch. That has to mean something.

And if you're asking why she looked so terrified, well, it is kind of scary if everything in your room just starts to, like, get lifted up by electricity, and I'm pretty sure she might not have seen what was there too quickly. Maybe she didn't know that the window came with the miraculous. I'm pretty sure she knew about the brooch being able to sense negative emotions (literally any random Parisian could tell you that) but I think she might have thought that Gabriel would see the battle directly through the villain's eyes and not through a window that acts as a TV.

Anyways, someone's probably come up with this theory before and I'm just wasting my time but I havent seen it anywhere so. Yeah.

[lovelysparring]

Here is my theory/ hope (!) for S6 & Dandy endgame. When Lindsey said about if Ben & Mindy got married it meant ML wouldn't go anywhere - I think that appealed to what ML used to want from marriage - that stability & security, so she went for it. I'm hoping Bindy aren't legally married, but having a trial run or something. Ben sees she isn't that happy anymore & they call it off. Danny loses his job & Mindy hires him at her clinic, making him see her in a new light and understanding why she (p1)

(p2) LOVES her fertility clinic. I don’t know what happens with DC’s wife Sarah - did they even get married? We never got any feedback from his wedding. With Danny at her clinic, Mindy is able to take on less workload but still get the fulfillment from her career, so is then able to be more present at home with Leo (and Danny hopefully). After everything they’ve been through individually & together, Mindy’s quest for the Happily Ever After has changed & Danny’s not just looking for a housewife

(p3) and all the issues they once had and couldn’t compromise on - now aren’t so prominent. Hopefully if something like this happened where they came together again as parents/ friends/ colleagues, could set them up to become partners without *needing* anything from one another, but just wanting each other. They had major issues when they broke up, but it could all tie together with only 2hours of CM screen time! Fingers crossed anyway 😍🤞*OR DC could now be sterile & not rush M for more kids😜

OK, so those 3 asks (sorry for the spam!!) were all major wish fulfillment ones, but either TMP sorts out some stuff to make Bindy more exciting and Mindy seem happy again where she can say that she was lucky to have two great loves in Danny & Ben, or they make Dandy or single and happy Mindy endgame. The show is too good for Mindy to live a ‘this will do’ ending - especially one based on rom-coms! Maybe Dandy will ‘accidentally’ meet at the Empire State Building after a Bindy breakup LOL.

Hey thanks for sharing your thoughts! :)

I’m certain they’re both legally married, which makes things pretty interesting and subversive since usually, as rom-com tropes go, the ex couple doesn’t go beyond being engaged to other people unlike Mindy and Danny who got beyond “I do.” But that is only if a reunion is in the cards, otherwise, it isn’t so interesting as it is depressing. 

And while I’m all for compromise, things play out differently in my head. For one, Mindy’d unlikely have a reason to hire Danny, especially since he is not a fertility specialist.

But I’m with you on a no “this will do” ending and a return to the Empire State Building one way or another.

[uptoolateart]

at the s5 finale,after gabe’s wish. It didnt reset the world but rewrote it? Right..?😃

Cause now im also seeing rumours such: ladybugs nd cat noir’s memories were erased of everything. that happened until now. (Not adrien and marinette’s memories itself but like..when they were transformed)

Like did any memories get erased in the first place? ANYONES.🤦🏼‍♀️👩🏻‍🦳

@hannahzthoughts

Correct - he rewrote it. They were very clear about the rules. You get one wish and it involves a sacrifice of equal weight. Only that exchange should be different.

Where I get confused is over the notion that it's Emilie at the pool party at the very end. If it is, then both she and Nathalie are restored to health, and I call that two wishes, not one. If that was Amelie by the pool, I accept it - his wish was for Nathalie, which was the right thing to ask for. However, what did Gabriel sacrifice? Because if it was his life for hers (possibly theirs), I don't think that's of equal weight. He said he only had hours (by that point, probably minutes) left to live, due to the cataclysm. We saw his finger crumble right off. Is that really a sacrifice, if it's about to happen anyway?? Either the writers don't see that the way I do, or Gabriel sacrificed something else that we have yet to see.

But to return to your question - at the end, Marinette is in her bedroom with Alya and Su-Han and she tells them she went back to the basement to search for the butterfly miraculous but never found it. She also refers to the wish having been made. From that, we can deduce that:

She remembers the battle

She must remember that Monarch was Gabriel

She remembers Gimmi / the wish happening

She knows the world has been altered

She's told Alya and Su-Han all of this (because she just mentioned details to them, casually, and they weren't surprised, so they already knew)

When she then slides the twin rings on Adrien's finger, her words are double-edged and highly suggestive that she knows he's a sentibeing. We can even see it as her using the rings to give him an order not to take them off. I get that its for his safety but...just tell him. That is so wrong, Marinette.

Also, when he's about to make his wish, Gabriel asks Marinette not to tell Adrien what he did / who he was. He wouldn't ask that if everyone's memories were about to be lost. We can then infer that she has decided to keep that promise to Gabriel, for the sake of Adrien (which I totally disagree with, but that's by the by). Therefore, she's told everyone else that Gabriel helped her defeat Monarch and died in the process, going down as a hero. However, it's very clear that she remembers the truth and she's told select other people, as well. (She needs to tell Cat Noir - like...a;skldfj;lskjf this is why I write fan fiction)

As a final point...as per the rules laid out by Gimmi, people's memories being erased would have to be part of the wish, and there would need to be a sacrifice made to balance it out. If you outright wished for memory erasure, I'm not sure what the sacrifice would be. Maybe someone else gets burdened with heaps of awful, painful memories so that someone else doesn't have them?? Anyway, when we see Adrien at that pool party...it's so brief that we have no way of knowing what he remembers. Maybe he does remember the white room but he's choosing to move on from it because he believes (due to Ladybug's lie) that in the end, his father did a wonderful thing. Or maybe Adrien doesn't remember the white room because the nature of Gabriel's wish included wiping that away.

If Gabriel restored Nathalie to health, maybe all memories are the same but people believe she had a miraculous recovery. If he brought Emilie back to life, too, that would necessitate some altered memories, for sure, because how could you explain to everyone that she just came back from the dead?? So, I guess everyone could now believe she was always alive (although this creates a paradox because Gabriel never would've done everything he did to bring her back and even make that wish, if she'd always been there, and this is where it really messes with my head).

But then...does Marinette remember Emilie used to be dead?? Because she remembers the battle and the wish being made - so who in this rewritten reality knows what previously happened to Emilie?

Alternatively...you know, they always refer to Emilie as having 'disappeared'.... Apparently, Thomas once said there was a funeral, but they never actually show or refer to this anywhere in the show, and even if there was a funeral, they couldn't have had a body because Gabriel had to keep her preserved. It must have been one of those symbolic funerals they do when they presume someone dead but have no firm evidence. If she only disappeared, then no one knows she died and she could well have a sudden, miraculous reappearance, which would make a lot more sense and avoid issues of paradox. (All that said...I'm not sure the writers have thought this through to that degree....)

No matter what's going on in this new world...it definitely hasn't all been reset. Things have just been altered, and we will find out the specifics in S6.

[thetardisisnotourdivision]

I really hope that they don't just do a complete character assassination because you know what would be cool? Because, to our knowledge, the only reason Nathalie stopped helping Gabriel was because he went insane. In the next season, I reckon something needs to happen - Adrien being put in danger, or even just at risk of finding out who his father was - and Nathalie does something truly awful in order to protect him. Because we still know so little about her past! My best guess is some kind of Indiana-Jones style freelancer, but we could really look into whether or not she is a good guy or not with this sort of thing, plus as you say she's going to be so pissed off with everyone venerating Gabriel as a hero - exploration of trauma. It's like that one quote from Sherlock - 'I am on the side of the angels but don't assume for one second that I am one of them' (misquote) - just because she is technically on Ladybug's side now doesn't mean in any way that she'll follow Ladybug's rules.

Idk I just really love the idea of a genuine moral dilemma where Ladybug has to turn to her new ally and say 'what the fuck did you just do', and actually we as the audience are reminded that it was Nathalie who was the brains behind Hawkmoth/Shadowmoth.

I just think it'd be neat.

I wonder in season 6 are we gonna get a storyline about nathalie rebuilding her life , get a new job , new friend maybe love interest or the storyline about survival guilt over emilie. And does she still remember that Gabriel is Monarch? And how she so damn piss everyone think he's good guy. Like theres so many thing you can do with her. I hope they're not gonna make her a boring good mom.