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somewhereincairparavel · 6 months ago

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The fandom's bias and tendency to wanting to agressively associate EVERYTHING with Percy and getting upset when a character isn't associated with him really taints their view on actually significant relationships, and it ruins Percy's canon character tbh.

I came across a video edit appreciating Jason and Nico's friendship, and the comments were just filled with people raging on how Percy should've been included instead of Jason because he was "much closer friends" to Nico than Jason was. It's appalling how much ppl can turn to a blind eye when it comes to Jason.

People hate Jason SO much in this fandom that they literally refuse to admit that Nico canonically considered Jason as his first ever friend, not Percy (this is literally said in Tower of Nero, by the way)

You guys are seriously so hell bent on wanting to take away every little thing jason had that makes his character meaningful, simple to give it to percy when it isn't even necessary. Doesn't percy have enough good characterization already? Why deprive Nico of a genuinely good friendship? Jason spent time and effort to make Nico comfortable and succeeded in earning nicos trust. He taught nico to never push people away and not to be ashamed of being himself, Isn't that beautiful? Why do people get salty abt that so much? Because of course, it's about appreciating Jason for once, and not Percy, isn't that it?

My perspective on Percy and Nico is that, they were never really "close" to begin with and never ended up being close either, and that's okay. Percy tried his very best to be a brother to Nico, but they somehow always had tension with eachother because of Nico's internal turmoil of idolizing and crushing on Percy whilst simultaneously associating him with Bianca.

Sure, they talked it out a little in the end, but I'd like to think that some tension would always be there, because they started off at the wrong foot, and there was too much bitterness and resentment to come in their dynamic. And them never actually being close "brothers" makes their dynamic very significant and authentic. In the end, Nico acknowledged that Percy was a good person, and I like to think that's the farthest they've ever gone in their dynamic. They both are on amicable terms but the awkwardness still being there is very realistic, the weight of Bianca's death would always be associated with Percy to Nico, and it's neither of their faults. That adds SO much to their angsty dynamic, why get so upset about it when it's such an integral, and meaningful part of the story? Nico and Percy not being close friends shows how complex character relationships can be.

Percy doesn't have to be close with everyone just because he's the main character, it really deprives him of actually meaningful connections. The fandom forcing him to be buddy buddy with everyone simply because they HAVE to associate Percy with anyone and everyone, and getting angry that Jason is closer to Nico than Percy is, is just really weird.

Why do people feel SO threatened about Jason all the time that they have to get all defensive and suppress his connections by dragging Percy into videos that doesn't even have to do anything with him? I swear y'all are creating this whole Jason/Percy rivalry thing because you cannot bear to see someone rival Percy, and you want Percy to be the only powerful/good person in the books.

Let other characters befriend eachother without trying to insert Percy in there all the time.

Percy and Nico would never be like Reyna and Nico, or Jason and Nico, and that's completely fine. I like them better that way. You can't be best friends with everyone. That's just how life works.

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swordoffrivolousthings · 3 months ago

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Thoughts about Heroes of Olympus and how it could have been better.

Sometimes I think about what would have made HOO a better series. And I'm not talking about the obvious 'too much focus on romantic relationships' and the lack of usage of certain characters or the dumb ending.

I mean the little things that would change so much (mainly character dynamics but also worldbuilding i.e. Camp Jupiter and Gaia's reasoning)

Some of the points are inspired by @crisisreading and their posts. They are the first I saw raise some of my own points so! part 2

Make the ages vary more in the main cast, trust me

Let Percy, Annabeth and Grover get older by 4-5 years. Let them become adults and find themselves outside the godly war. Let them even finish college, I wouldn't get mad. Let them do anything beside being teenagers.

I promise this would make the dynamics more interesting. Percy and Annabeth will be more mentor figures, than fellow comrades. This would create some distance between some of the them, but ultimately create something fun. Piper would come to see some aspiring female figure in Annabeth (I think this would ether be positive or negative, depending how Annabeth changed as a character over the years, but I tend towards negative). Leo would potentially have someone older to exchange ideas with. Jason would possibly feel intimidated by Percy's vastly superior age, prowess and experience, instead of being able to clash heads with him.

Hazel would have not one, but two that people that would play parent to the others' reckless behavior. (go snort your harmful stereotypes up your ass, Riordan.) Frank, when telling Percy and Hazel about his stick, would possibly find in Percy a kind hand (not that he wasn't kind already, let me explain) and Percy would probably share with him this feeling of vulnerability - not dump it on Frank - about having your life tied to a specific thing. I mean his Achilles heel, with which he would have lived for far longer.

And a whole lot more.

2. Add Grover into the series as a perspective character

You have a new trio dynamic introduced in the first book of the series. Let the original trio interact as main characters and let us see how their relationship has changed.

Grover's opinion on the conflict between the gods and Gaia would be important. He is the Lord of the Wild, and Gaia is the literal personification of the Earth. Let us see his struggle between the loyalty he has to the gods and his friends and his powerful feelings towards protecting nature.

Also, he would act as a protector for the demigods. Because while I enjoy Hedge, he is not enough to keep them safe.

3. Throw the bullshit about Gaia getting revenge for Kronos' defeat out of the way

Gaia, as mentioned before, if the personification of the Earth. One of the first gods to emerge from Chaos.

Gaia can, of course, keep her resentment for the gods defeating the son that freed her from her pain (caused by Ouranos initially). But she is a mother goddess. She should want obliterate humanity because humans are slowly killing her. Painfully. She wants to survive and the only way she sees how if by killing all the humans. She wants to save her children, aka animals, insects, nature, and the only way she sees is bloodshed. Gods are not rational in their anger, no one is. So let her be angry and vengeful and out for human blood.

DO NOT MAKE HER A FUCKING VILLAIN, MAN! Make her an antagonist, but someone's whose ideals are worth taking in and adapting. Kinda like Luke about the demigod and minor god recognition. Where have the themes of the original series gone? Remember, an important theme in BOTL was protecting the environment. It was one of the most important moments when Pan faded. Do not let that go to fucking waste. Especially not now, in the world we live in.

4. Show the effects the war had on Camp Half-Blood. Hint it at Camp Jupiter, when Percy does not have the memories to corelate it with

We've had years since the end of the Second Titan War. How did the gods change the course of events ? (the victors write the histories) How much of Luke's reasoning for starting the war was erased. (hint, all of it.) Show us how much the perspectives were shifted and how much the people that fought in it were made into martyrs and villain, basically becoming caricatures.

Let us feel how much this hurts Percy, Grover and Annabeth. How it had impacted and impacts their trauma, grief and utter horror. The younger, newer campers see them as wonderful, all-just and loyal heroes of the gods. The way they hate it.

Good moment to implement the new cabins for the gods and let the new ones forget that it wasn't always this way. Let Percy's demand to the gods be forgotten, shoved under the rug. The tragedy unfolds, use it.

Since in Camp Jupiter none of the main characters have fought, let us see the subtility. Let the older legionnaires be ragged, scarred. Older and weary, with eyes glassy and suspicious. Have younger recruits have this heavy air around them. They know what happened, what killed most of the older people in the legion.

Have Jason, Hazel and Frank see these things in Annabeth, Grover and Percy too. They realise that oh. oh. these three have fought in the war, of course they would. Show them gain respect for the trio. The same kind of respect they have for the veterans back home.

5. Cut one of the Seven from the prophecy.

I know this seems radical, but it is a symbolism thing, which I think would be more interesting in a world based on Greek mythology.

It is established in PJO that three (3) is an important number: 3 Olympian sisters (Hera, Demeter, Hestia), 3 Olympian brothers (Hades, Poseidon, Zeus), 3 Fates, 3 quest members, 3 Furies, 3 godly realms (the Underworld, Olympus + the sky, the seas). Use this.

Give us six (6) prophesized heroes. It is, after all, the second most used number in the series and a multiple of 3.

I suggest Annabeth. Why? because she has her quest from Athena. Let that be her top priority, while hanging out on the Argo II to get to Rome. Let her bond with the younger demigods and have her possible death be always on her mind. Bring her hubris into play and she would think herself the chosen one, the one demigod child of Athena to survive. This would make her falling into Tartarus with Percy not letting her go more taxing on her psyche.

Show us how she hates herself because she took one of the principal quest members to certain death. She feels like she'd jeopardized the whole saving the world thing.

Cut the Seven to Six and let Annabeth die in Tartarus. Show us why a single-man quest is a death sentence. Why three (3) is such a valuable number.

6. CONSEQUENCES!!!

Jumping straight off the last point.

Change why Annabeth would end up in Tartarus. Make her ignore the string around her ankle because she thing that nothing bad can happen to her now. After all, Arachne is gone, right.

Let this be her undoing. I do not care how she dies, but make her choices, her hubris, be her undoing. Do not let her death up to a chance, a mistake or miscalculation. Show how toxic Tartarus is, because we do not see it enough, but make it Annabeth's idea, the plan by which she dies.

Do not make it Percy's fault. Let him try to do everything to keep her alive, but still failing. Attack his sense of loyalty, his self-esteem. Show how the experiences and her death affect him.

Bring the trauma from the last war back in those chapters, in a place where demigods leave something behind.

To less drastic things - let the others get hurt. Permanently. Show how this life affects and damages people physically, too.

Have one lose an eye, another get horrific scars. Lose a limb, a part of themselves. Do not make it seem like any other could have gotten the same wound.

Tailor them to their character, their pride and their skill. Hit them where it hurts most and let us see how it changes them.

Also, about Leo. Kill him too. The fact that he ended up alive is a deux ex machina. He should have suffered the consequences.

Also also, bring back the fatal flaws. They are missing from the series. Play with them, show why they are important parts of their characters. Bring back ancient Greek fatal flaws, and new ones that make sense in a modern world.

Hurt them because what hurts them is part of who they are. Show us why the Greeks invented tragedy.

7. Age up the target age. Go more young/new adult

I understand that PJO was made for middle schoolers. But the target audience had grown up alongside the characters, and as such they have matured.

This is why I said to age Percy, Grover and Annabeth up further. Leave some distance for the old and new readers to get up and personal with the new main characters. Have them find common ground with the new demigods but have their anchor in the old ones.

Make the readers work to understand and refamiliarize themselves wit the older demigods. Because they've changed.

Targeting a more mature audience allows exploring n. 6. The realistic consequences of living with the fear that something will come and eat you. How just a little mishap could change you for life. (or what has been left of it)

Please do not go grim dark. Show that despite this all, their purpose has not stopped existing. A life exists outside of your appearance or disability still exist, and while it would be hard, do not lose hope.

8. Hope, or lack of its importance in the Heroes of Olympus series

Alongside other callbacks and reinforcements of PJO's lore, where is Elpis (hope)? Why doesn't she appear as a larger theme in the books? I don't know.

Elpis is still in the jar, having been used as a threat of defeat. But now Kronos is gone. Have Gaia use it as s symbol for her own cause.

Make hope Gaia's argument. The most important part of why her cause stands. Gaia is waking now because there is no hope for the betterment of the planet while in human - and therefore godly - grasp. She wants to save the planet, but they, the destroyers, are opposing her.

Hope is what she wants to bring back. The hope that death will not be the end of life, but further evolvement and betterment of all species.

This argument is what the counterargument should unravel. All species? Why are humans considered irredeemable, unworthy of becoming something greater?

Why can't they not coexist and why can't humans learn how to care about the world surrounding them.

Make hope for humanity and for the environment not a question of if they are capable to coexist, but how we can manage that. Humanity and nature are not mutually exclusive, but two halves of the same whole that need each other to sustain their longevity. Yes, nature can exist without humans, but humans can't.

This does not mean that the best way forward is to kill all humans.

There is no need for hope in HOO because there are no greater questions being asked about topics that require hope, because otherwise we would descend into nihilism and fatalism.

9. Give the gods reason to act the way they act, or a look at a greater narrative problem in the series

I may be generalizing, but the gods act erratically and make choices convenient for the plot, as it is, to happen.

Hera: how, specifically, does she know that Gaia is rising and what her plans are. Why is she against Gaia, when the older goddess has a track record of helping the Olympians on different occasions in the myths. Why does she decide to act when she does, how she knows that the king of the giants (whatever his name may be) is coming after her right then.

We don't know.

Athena: we understand why she wants the Athena Parthenos back. Why not force the Romans to give it back. After all, she is a goddess, even if the Romans don't respect her as the Greeks did, she has power and sway over them. Why send her children, a supposedly important part of what brings her glory, to a near-certain death. Is it misguided vengeance, an obsession to get the statue back at all cost, or simple cruelty. These reasons could apply very well to sending the Romans, yet she doesn't.

Zeus: why lock down Olympus? Paranoia, which fair, but you are a King, why wouldn't you look after your subjects? (bc Riordan chose to ignore part of his characterization in the myths and part of his godly domain) (I know kings aren't perfect, but after the last war, one would think he would do everything in his power to stop another one before it begins) Why not seek justice for Octavian's lies, that affect their ability to win the war, and kill/imprison him? Justice is part of his domain, as Zeus Nomius.

I know that we wouldn't necessarily need these answers, but without some of them, some choices left hanging seem to be there only to add to the drama and danger of it all.

All in all, I have many problems with the 'Heroes of Olympus' series. Some of them are nitpicks and personal preference as a high fantasy reader in my free time. Some of them would really add to the story and continue the themes of PJO.

Please ask me if something wasn't clear to you. I'll happily explain further.

If you find something you don't agree with, let's discuss. I'm open to changing my opinions.

#percy jackson #jason grace #hoo #annabeth chase #pjo #percy jackon and the olympians #hazel levesque #piper mclean #percy and annabeth #frank zhang #leo valdez #grover underwood #pjo thought experiment #fic ideas #percabeth #cezy's insanities #I don't think that Percy & Annabeth would reach HOO as a couple in this version #might be my wishful thinking #but I really think that they would break up 1-2 years after PJO ended bc trauma bonds are toxic and I don't think any of them need that too #but mainly for Percy's sake bc I like him and relate to him more tan Annabeth - I think she's pretty toxic in PJO and HOO but that's my ...#... opinion and I'm not up to changing my mind about that #also didn't chose Annabeth to die bc I hate her. just thinking that it would explore her relationship with her fatal flaw more and where ..#... it leads her to bc she has the make up of a tragic figure that's destiny is made by their own choices. also dramatic irony #her hubris was barely explored in PJO except for the sphinx scene in BOLT #i may continue this. yk as a threat to everyone that reads this

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mioakem · 7 months ago

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Male character who died at a young age from a disappointing death? Okay okay tell me more. He’s tall and muscular??? Perfect. He’s European and has a thick accent?? Alright bonus but not required. He’s bi but has/had a girlfriend that he loves/loved very much??? Absolutely. He has a male best friend that the majority of the fandom ships him with?? Alright, good but again not required. He has a tough guy persona but is actually a super sweet and kind of goofy and lovable guy??? Well golly gee sign me up

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reddamselette · 3 months ago

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“I feel like my brain is going to explode,” Leo mumbled before dropping his head into his hands. He made a show of shoving away his notebook and the textbook he was using to study the material beforehand. It had only been twenty minutes since he sat down and it felt like eternity.

Jason snorted, nudging Leo in his side with his elbow. “I know it’s not that you don’t understand, so what’s it really about, Firefly?” He tilted his head in curiosity, sparkling blue irises locked onto his boyfriend’s face like they were made to just watch and observe. Leo had always been so pretty to him.

Leo shifted in his seat to comfortably lean into Jason’s side, his arms wrapping around his torso, smooshing his face into Jason’s arm. “I don’t know, I just…I really hate math.”

Jason leaned back against the booth, laying his arm across Leo’s shoulders and pressed a soft kiss into brown curls, rubbing comforting circles into Leo’s arm. “How about this? We’ll continue for another twenty minutes, yeah? Then we can take a long break, however long you want.”

Leo cracked a smile, lifting his head to meet Jason’s gaze and he kissed his cheeks, his nose, his lips. “Well when you put it like that,” he said before planting another quick peck to Jason’s cheek and sat upright. “The greatest monster of all time: Mathematics.”

“You’re such a dork.”

#valgrace #leo valdez #jason grace #pjo #percy jackon and the olympians #hoo #heroes of olympus #percy jackson #fic #my writing #writing this instead of studying #i’m coping through leo rn because my brain might actually explode #i hate math like genuinely #i mean i don’t it’s just IENOQKDOWKKDKWJD👹#it’s fine it’s cool don’t worry i’m genius (send help)

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mywitchyblog · 21 days ago

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It’s amazing how many Percy Jackson fans jumped on me for saying Percy didn’t actually win against Akhlys in Tartarus, and that he’s not some unstoppable force who could solo Zeus. Let’s be real—Percy is a demigod. Demi is the key word here. He’s still part mortal, no matter how powerful he is.

First, let’s talk about what happened in Tartarus with Akhlys. People need to understand that Akhlys isn’t just some monster or even a god. She’s a primordial being, a child of Nyx and Chaos itself—the very forces that existed before anything else. When Percy faced her, he wasn’t just up against a strong opponent; he was up against a conceptual entity. Akhlys embodies poison and misery itself. She doesn’t just wield these elements; she is them.

In Tartarus, Percy and Annabeth were completely out of their element. Akhlys didn’t need to rely on physical attacks to defeat him. Instead, she poisoned him emotionally and mentally. She brought out something dark in Percy—something that scared even Annabeth. When Percy used Akhlys’s own poison against her, he didn’t just fight back; he enjoyed it. This wasn’t a heroic moment; it was terrifying. Akhlys pushed Percy to a place where he lost control, and Annabeth witnessed a side of him that left a permanent scar on their relationship. Akhlys didn’t lose—she won by breaking Percy in a way that no one else had. She infected his mind and relationship with a sense of darkness that left Annabeth shaken. Even after they escaped, it’s clear Annabeth will never see him the same way again.

Now, let’s get into the Percy versus Jason debate. A lot of people think Jason is weak or that Percy could easily defeat him. But the truth is, Jason has accomplished things that Percy hasn’t. For example, Jason fought and killed Krios, the Titan of constellations, with his bare hands. Yes, he had the support of the Roman legion, but it was Jason who ended Krios personally. He didn’t need his weapon; he finished the Titan off with sheer physical strength. Krios is a Titan, not just some high-level monster, and the fact that Jason killed him without a weapon speaks volumes about his strength and skill.

And then there’s their encounter with the Eidolons in Kansas. Percy and Jason were both possessed by these spirits, who know everything about their hosts’ abilities, skills, and weaknesses. The Eidolons were fighting to kill each other, and they weren’t holding back. They had been promised freedom by Gaea if they succeeded, so they had every incentive to use their hosts’ full abilities. During this fight, Jason!Eidolon had Percy on the ropes and would have killed him if Piper hadn’t intervened, allowing Percy!Eidolon to knock Jason out. This matters because it shows that, when both are going all out, Jason has the power to kill Percy. The Eidolons were only as strong as their hosts, and Jason, in full form, was winning that fight.

Now, let’s address Percy’s other “victories,” which aren’t as clear-cut as some fans think. Percy’s fight with Ares in The Lightning Thief wasn’t a definitive win. People forget that Ares, as the god of war, could have controlled Percy’s weapon as easily as Percy controls water. Ares could have seized Riptide, effectively disarming Percy. The only reason Ares didn’t finish the fight was because Kronos spooked him. Percy didn’t overpower Ares; Ares walked away due to external circumstances. Percy didn’t win; he survived because Ares chose to leave.

Take his fight against Hyperion in The Last Olympian. Percy doesn’t take down the Titan single-handedly. Instead, he has significant help from Grover and other allies. Hyperion is eventually immobilized, but it’s a group effort that relies on clever strategy and teamwork. Percy didn’t overpower Hyperion—he and his friends contained him long enough to escape.

Then there’s his encounter with Atlas in The Titan’s Curse. Percy momentarily holds up the sky, which is impressive, but it’s not sustainable. When he faces Atlas directly, he’s completely overwhelmed and would have been killed if not for Artemis’s intervention. Atlas is a powerhouse that Percy simply can’t match on his own, showing that he’s not this unstoppable force who can take down Titans at will.

And don’t forget his brush with Hades in The Last Olympian. Percy only survives because of his invulnerability from the River Styx. Even with that, Hades could have easily defeated him in non-physical ways. As one of the Big Three, Hades could rip Percy’s soul from his body or inflict damage that doesn’t involve direct attacks. The Styx’s blessing protects Percy from physical harm, but it doesn’t make him immune to the other godly powers that Hades wields. Once that blessing fades, Percy’s vulnerable. Hades isn’t someone Percy could just walk away from in a real fight.

And it’s important to note that the gods aren’t wary of Percy because of him—they’re cautious because of Poseidon. Poseidon is the second most powerful Olympian, and his influence is significant enough that any conflict between him and Zeus could split Olympus into factions. Without Poseidon’s protection, Percy would likely have been smited by the other gods. It’s not Percy who intimidates them; it’s the fallout of what angering Poseidon could lead to.

And let’s not ignore Jason’s extensive training. Jason has been at Camp Jupiter for 12 years, where he’s drilled in combat tactics and leadership. The Roman camp is all about discipline and intense training, and Jason has that experience behind him. Percy, meanwhile, only spends summers at Camp Half-Blood, totaling about 10 months over five years. While Percy has raw talent and power, Jason has years of structured training and experience as a leader and warrior.

Plus, Jason has taken on giants. He faced off against Porphyrion, the king of giants, who’s designed to be a direct counter to Zeus himself. Jason didn’t defeat him alone, but he held his own long enough for the team to intervene. Jason’s powers are formidable in their own right. He can control storms, wield lightning, and even fly—abilities that make him a powerful force. He might not control the sea, but he has strengths that match up well with Percy’s.

So no, Percy wouldn’t just “swat” Jason aside. Jason’s taken on Titans, giants, and even his own best friend in a no-holds-barred fight, and he’s proven that he can stand toe-to-toe with some of the toughest enemies out there.

In the end, while Percy is undeniably powerful, he’s not some unbeatable powerhouse. He often relies on help, luck, or his father’s influence. Jason Grace, on the other hand, has taken down divine beings with his bare hands and has years of experience and training that Percy simply doesn’t. People need to recognize that Jason isn’t just strong—he’s a capable and experienced warrior who can hold his own against Percy, and maybe even beat him when it counts.

Yes, Percy is often referred to as the most powerful demigod, but that doesn’t mean he’s unbeatable. He can be defeated, even if it takes significant effort. I’m not saying that Jason could solo him without a challenge, but I do think Jason could win against Percy in a high-difficulty fight. It’s not an easy win, but it’s definitely possible. Other demigods could also potentially overpower and defeat Percy, though it would take a lot of effort. Percy’s powerful, but he’s not invincible.

Also, let’s talk about the “bloodbending” headcanon that keeps coming up. Sure, there’s a basis in canon for Percy’s potential to manipulate water within living beings, but there’s no actual evidence in the books that he can control blood. People need to stop treating it as if it’s official. Does he have the potential? Yes, it’s possible given his powers over water. But has it been explicitly stated in canon that he can control blood? No, it hasn’t. Percy can’t just “bloodbend” at will—that’s purely headcanon, not established fact.

So while Percy is incredibly powerful and capable of amazing feats, he’s not this unstoppable force. He has limits, and in a high-stakes fight, there are other demigods who could push him to those limits and potentially even beat him.

#percy jackson #percy jackon and the olympians #pjo hoo toa #heroes of olympus #jason grace #trials of apollo #Percy glazers need to chill the fuck out bffr #like im just #percy pjo #percy glazers yall are.......#he is still human ffs he has human weaknesses #he is on god level ? yes but def not olympian level bffr #like his dad can turn him into a puddle of water ez #and that was with him still having the curse i think (idk if it was before or after lol)#what do you think hades and zeus can do ? way worse then that #im not hating on him i love Percy but some things need to be said

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