#Jorge rivera-herrans

[letsplaythermalnuclearwar]

Homer!Odysseus and Epic!Odysseus would try to kill each other if they ever met

[charlesoberonn]

I like Epic: The Musical and I think Jorge Rivera-Herrans is a great singer but he does not in any way sound like a middle aged sailor who spent the last decade at war.

[holiestmoliest]

I’m not sure if anyones noticed this yet, but whilst i was listening to ‘My Goodbye’ i noticed that after the part where Odysseus says “You’re alone” the music sounds very similar to the one of the end of Thunder Bringer, where Zeus killed the whole Odysseus’s crew, therefore becoming alone, just like he said Athena was.

anyway Jorge’s an actual musical genius and that was just something i noticed :)

[remidrawsstuffs]

Epic the musical will be my personality for the whole year or more and I will have the entire soundtrack on my spotify wrap 2023 and no one can stop me

[everythingquenya]

"Just A Man" from Epic the Musical by Jorge Rivera-Herrans

This song made me think of when Maglor and Maedhros found Elrond and Elros after the 3rd kinslaying in the first age. Of course I had to then translate it. I split the lyrics up a bit, so they both had lines. (Also left out the chorus in the transcriptions)

[MAGLOR:]

Céninye mi henilta ar inye

Nansanea ana i yónion

Nárille airave nélesse yá elestienye rá ohta

[MAEDHROS:]

Nwaluva si cari ainya

Ilya námo anahtienye?

Ná i mirma nwalinye oio malie?

[MAGLOR:]

Sáce henilta ar rehtea elto i ehten

Manen polin nahteanye le?

[MAEDHROS:]

Nánye rie elda man néve lenna mélamar

Apa illí loastar au hóta istienye

Nánye rie elda man mahtea rá coirya

[MAGLOR:]

Lún undu mérenye manca i ilu cen inya yón ar indis

Nánye rie elda

[MAEDHROS:]

Apa yá cáre él olea lantel?

Yá lícuma olea ruine?

Yá elda olea úvano?

[MAGLOR:]

Yá ulo olea vangwe?

Yá casta olea cáma?

Yá elda olea úvano?

[MAEDHROS & MAGLOR:]

(Yá cáre él olea lantel?)

(Yá lícuma olea ruine?) Avatyar nin

(Yá elda olea úvano?) Avatyar nin

(Yá elda olea úvano?) Avatyar nin

[therealopaartist]

Polites from EPIC: The Musical

My headcanon is that in death, Polites doesn’t have his glasses anymore (since he got hit pretty damn hard by the cyclops’ club) so he’s wandering blindly around The Underworld, but he still smiles.

[verityblack]

literally listening to the epic the musical concept album on repeat rn and highly encourage those who are not doing the same to start immediately cuz its INCREDIBLE

[reach-for-the-horizon]

So I’ve been listening to the snippets of act 2 that Jorge’s been releasing on youtube as he writes them and I genuinely think that the Ithaca Saga would heal me. Just. Everything about me. Anxiety? Gone. Depression? Don’t know her. My skin? Clear. My crops? Watered. Lingering childhood trauma? What trauma? What childhood?? I’m fixed. It will actually genuinely literally fix me. It would heal my soul.

[merp-blerp]

I've seen takes about "There Are Other Ways", saying that Circe should have successfully gotten Odysseus to have sex with her because it would've kept up with the "will of the gods" being non-negotiable, as Circe's a half-goddess. And maybe there are good arguments in favor of that—I'm no expert on Greek mythology, but from what I know about Jay's vision, which differs from the og myth, I have some "counterpoints" (not really a definite argument, I know I could be wrong, so it's more like a question almost).

In Jay's TikTok (sorry it's muted 🙄) where he and Talya act out the song, Circe is backed against the wall with Odysseus's knife or sword (represented by a censored plastic fork in the video) at her throat, but as she prompts the "choice" to have sex, Odysseus stops fighting her, in distressed contemplation, and she's able to get herself out of the corner and get his weapon. She's only pretending to offer sex to him, but in actuality plans to stab him with his knife or sword while he's vulnerable and she has control over him in a way his flower doesn't aid. The video cuts out after that, but from the song we know that Odysseus rejects what he thinks were her sexual advances, Circe pauses as he explains that he's loyal to Penelope, and her mind changes, deciding to help him get to the underworld.

Odysseus didn't overpower Circe's will by turning down sex with her, since that wasn't her will at all. Her will was to not be physically backed against the wall, which she got, make him occupied with his thoughts enough so he'll stop fighting, which she got, and get his weapon, which she got. Circe gets her will, and if her will was to then stab him she would've been able to easily. Her will changes when Odysseus talks about his wife, but he isn't overpowering her will by doing that, he's only explaining why he doesn't want to sleep with her and begging to not have to do it, a thing she also didn't want to do herself, as her intent was to kill him. Circe got her will to not sleep with Odysseus, but she changed her own mind on killing him by her own choice. Odysseus was trying to not do what he thought was her will, but he was wrong. Yet his attempt to get out of what he thought was her will indirectly caused Circe to change her mind about her actual will, but he doesn't know that. He's not convincing her to go against her will, he's speaking his feelings and she decides to do something else on her own will. She still could've killed him, but she changed her mind. It's a nice thought to say that Circe respected his loyalty, but I don't think his loyalty had to do with her change of heart in that way, but his love in general. She just seems to know what it's like to be in love and wants to help him get home for that (and maybe she has beef with or reservations against Poseidon based on her "Poseidon, eh?", but I'm not sure. She likely knows a lot about him though, being the daughter of a sea-nymph). Circe is still in control. She changes her own mind.

I hope I made sense.

Again, I'm not a Greek mythology expert, and not even an expert on this musical, but I've just been thinking about this. If there's any detail or angle I'm missing here let me know!

[tillxthexearthxstartsxtoxcrumble]

Jorge Rivera-Herrans I hope you know you have singlehandedly inspired me to go into history & Greek Mythology in college. Literally going to be learning Latin because this man caused such brainrot.

[dawnsplaceyt]

The first five songs of the odyssey musical have dropped y’all gotta come listen to this! Jorge Rivera-Herrans and his team have worked super hard on this and I’m so excited for it so y’all now know about it if you didn’t enjoy

[epicthemusicalstuff]

NEW SNIPPET OF RUTHLESSNESS

This is definitely going to be one of the most iconic songs in epic!!! I love seeing the slight differences in how Jorge sings it verus how Steven sings it!!! I feel he captures Poseidon so well!!

[bubblesandpages]

Just A Man is a tragic lullaby fyi.

[remidrawsstuffs]

I just realized something, polites dies in the cyclops saga (from what I see people say) and in "Luck runs out" snippets, odysseus says he wants to "lead from the heart"

I want to think that he does this because he thinks it's right and also to honor his dead best friend, polites. The one who was the first to teach him to lead with the heart and greet the world with open arms