#I hate batjokes

[distort-opia]

I'm re-reading Batman: The World for uh... Batman Day related reasons and I'm losing it because:

Batman: The World -- Global City

Meanwhile, Bruce describing Gotham in a different comic:

Batman: City of Crime

First of all, Bruce's description of Gotham as a laughing madwoman he needs to tame with his fists is eerily reminiscent of the way he talks about a certain someone -- ahem -- but secondly, Azzarello writing Bruce comparing the city to his wife... you know, the same writer who made Martha Wayne the Joker in Flashpoint, and literally Batman's wife.

Me right now:

[fun-esta]

[bepoucorp]

what he thinking about fr like stfu bro

[jonkleringjerster]

selina being tired of their messy gayass antics is my favourite

[devine-fem]

reminder that it is STILL not okay to tell people what to ship and what not to ship. “don’t ship that, [canon/popular ship] is right there-“ STOP THAT. you’re not doing anyone a favor, you’re just annoying. go get your refill, hope this helps!

[cyb3rharl3z]

I’m tired of angsty Joker

(Repost from Reddit cause I hate that app)

I am tired of seeing portrayals of The Joker where his personality just feels incredibly dull. I’ve always preferred versions of him in DC kids media simply because they make him more fun. I miss when his craziness was how he could just from one extreme to another, you could never truly predict what he would do and his motive could vary from simply wanting Batman’s attention to just getting a kick of something. Now is craziness is just that evil, he’s super smart and always one step ahead evil… and that’s kinda it

I think this is because in kids media in order to keep kids interested they up the antics on all the characters and everything is slightly more ridiculous. Which translates well for a character like The Joker because he IS ridiculous, the mean wears underwear with Batman’s face on it, he wears a full face of makeup everyday, he is literally a clown! I think part of his charm is that he makes a good contrast to how solemn Batman and Gotham is. I’m not saying I don’t want him to be evil, I absolutely still want him being batshit insane, but evil doesn’t have to mean humorless. Even his color palettes are dulled down. For a dude whose trademark is “why so serious?” He seems pretty damn serious himself.

I don’t know this could totally just be me I’m just not too wrapped up in the DC verse to know what’s going on, I just wanted to put this out into the world

(Also can we finally admit this man is gay and let it be cannon? It’s like a well known secret at this point, I’m tired of writers forcing him to be straight and failing)

[dax-enfinity]

i hate that ship where you have to give the characters a complete 180 for them to even work on paper, and then you don’t even recognize those characters anymore because the shippers just make the ship the characters only existing trait.

[sapphic-storm69]

[extra-joker-mush]

two slow dancers

[riddlebatjokez]

These two ruined my life

[distort-opia]

oo do you have examples of issues that very clearly show jokers avoidant attachment style? I would guess on some level the ending of death of the family?

Well, I said that both him and Bruce rather fit the disorganized attachment style, which is also known as fearful-avoidant-- but Bruce has more "fearful", Joker has more "avoidant".

Bruce, despite all his misgivings, has multiple long-term meaningful relationships. But in Joker's case... intimacy and affection are simply out of the question. Humanity is out of the question, like in the example you've given with Death of the Family. The only person we know for sure he cares about is Bruce, and even in Bruce's case he wildly fluctuates between declaring undying love and genuinely trying to murder him out of spite and resentment. The second closest person to him would be Harley Quinn, and I do think on some level he cared about her, but his relationship with her was manipulative and abusive-- and he tried to kill her too. All of his relationships, outside of the one with Batman, are shallow, and it's because he keeps them shallow. People are something to kill, use, or make fun of, not persons to connect with. If there's any sign of emotion, Joker considers it a weakness. Caring gets you broken above a vat of acid at ACE Chemical factory, with a bat from hell scaring you into committing suicide.

Though I don't think Joker started out so avoidant, much like Bruce... who also started out as something else. Personally I see Bruce as having had an anxious/fearful attachment style prior to his parents' death. But then the loss pushed him into avoidance, and ultimately resulted in him displaying a disorganized or fearful-avoidant attachment style as an adult. Joker might've been fearful-avoidant to begin with, if we go by the likeliest background for him: growing up with abusive parents, then living in orphanages and foster homes, etc. Even the one interaction (remembered reliably or unreliably) with Jeannie in The Killing Joke points to a fearful-avoidant attachment:

Batman: The Killing Joke

He's blowing up at Jeannie, projecting his own self-hatred on her, and then immediately swings into begging for forgiveness. In the end, the core thing about disorganized attachment is... instability. Growing up, the child does not feel like their caregiver is reliable, there to provide food or shelter or the most basic emotional validation. Parents who fluctuate between moments of love and affection and moments of violence and abuse teach their children that love is a minefield. One wrong step, and the landmine blows-- and you never know what sets it off, so you wildly overcompensate or avoid. And Jack acts more like this towards Jeannie: he explodes with anger, gets scared she'll react badly, and then begs for forgiveness. It's also clear that he thinks his value is based in what he can provide. If he doesn't have anything to give Jeannie, will she still love him?

But where Jack was more classically fearful-avoidant, Joker is a lot more avoidant. Even though his life-defining trauma happened as an adult, it profoundly affected his view on the world. As Joker, he still has a need for connection (otherwise we wouldn't have Batjokes)-- but he also hates it and is actively trying to snuff it out. It's a bit ironic that essentially, only with Bruce is where the fearful/anxious part of his attachment style still comes out. Just like with Jeannie in that example, we constantly see him go between "It's your fault I became a monster! I hate your guts and I want you dead!" and "I do all this because I love you! I'm the only one who understands you! Please don't leave me!"

[xilinjiangart]

REALLY old Batjokes drawing that I absolutely forgot about. I think this was the first time I drew them like,,,?? Ever.

Idk not my favourite but whatever 😭

[batssybaby]

“batjokes would never work in canon!! the joker killed jason!!” okay well have u ever considered that i don’t know who the fuck that is

[skj-weebmam]

This is one of the best Batman/joker movies out there, if not the best!!!

I swear it’s my fav movie!!! After dark knight.

And new pfp again

(Without sketching)

(Edit: I added the “I hate you forever”)

[fullhavelstonearmor]

Okay so if you like bat jokes that’s fine. I don’t really ship Batman with any of his rogues gallery but you know do whatever. You saw the Lego Batman movie and were inspired to make cool art, neat! Though, it’s likely your reasoning for shipping Batjokes is because of Joker’s obsession. Now in some pieces of media it’s a two way street, but in all honesty Batman doesn’t NEED a lotta the people in his rogue’s gallery the way Joker needs Batman. So you ship it because Joker is obsessed and that’s fine but have you considered the ONE character whose entire existence revolves around Batman?

That’s right. Bane. Have you considered Bane X Batman? It’s ridiculous and funny. Now I don’t ship it, but if your sole reason for shipping batjokes is Joker’s obsession then I PROMISE Bane is ten times as obsessed. This motherfucker has dreamed about Batman before he KNEW Batman. Breaking Batman is literally his “destiny.” I mean c’mon they’re literally ripe for a soulmates fanfic guys. Hell, get crazy with it, make a love triangle! The best part? You don’t have to pretend that Red Hood doesn’t exist! Take it into consideration, would ya’? Also! Bane is a better Batman villain anyway.

Y’all, I feel the urge to clarify this. If it seems I’m calling Batjokes a bad or worse ship, I’m not. At all. I am just pointing out a silly ship idea, and using it as an excuse to talk about my favorite character in DC lol.