#I genuinely cannot relate to them I’m like literally what does that feel like
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having mommy issues be like I hate that you know me I hate that we’re related I hate that you birthed me I hate that you don’t know how to love me properly I hate that you can’t see how much you hurt me I hate that I’m expected to love you
#cy says stuff#I moved out when I was 17 for a reason#but I do still go back to visit when schools out sometimes and I regret it every single time#every time we talk I’m like damn is it time to call it quits because this is not it#I literally feel like I’m constantly on the brink of being disowned or kicked out of the house when I’m there#but it’s also for things like. bringing a single bottle of wine to a Christmas party that I did not even drink#or like. moving in with my partner of 4 years. because we are going to the 2nd most expensive city in Canada and girl I cannot pay the rent#or being upset when she reads my diary ?? or reads my credit card statements without permission and also just like behind my back??#like do you think I’m not going to find out when you bring up information you only would’ve known if you had read those things#I can put two and two together…#also I’m literally almost done my university degree. i am fully an adult. these should not be issues !#ahhhhh!!!#anyways I will speak to my therapist about this lol#also y’all my friends are always like oh I love my mom and it just seems to be a socially accepted thing that you should love your mom#but what if your mom sucks what then#I genuinely cannot relate to them I’m like literally what does that feel like#the first time I felt loved was when I was 15 lol there is 0 love in my family#anyways !#it’s okay I am out of it and I have been out of it#just#always on the brink of cutting her off forever lol#some ppl just never change as much as you want them to and that is tough to accept.#it is also harder because society is telling my that I need to stay loyal to my family cause they’re blood#but if this were anyone else I would’ve blocked them so long ago 😭
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What’s your opinion on the contrast between “silly” and “serious” spaces? Do you think people can have very serious interpretations about a genuine piece of media and also be goofy about it? I’m asking this particularly because I’ve seen people in the Magnus podcast fandoms fight about people “misinterpreting” characters you, Alex, and the many other authors have written. Are you okay with the blorbofication or do you really wish the media you’ve written would be “taken seriously” 100% of the time?
And follow up question, what do you think about the whole “it’s up to the reader (or in some cases, listener) to make their own conclusions and interpretations and that does not make them wrong”, versus the “it was written this way because the author intended it this way, and we should respect that” argument?
This is a question I've given a lot of thought over the years, to the point where I don't know how much I can respond without it becoming a literal essay. But I'll try.
My main principle for this stuff boils roughly down to: "The only incorrect way to respond to art is to try and police the responses of others." Art is an intensely subjective, personal thing, and I think a lot of online spaces that engage with media are somewhat antithetical to what is, to me, a key part of it, which is sitting alone with your response to a story, a character, a scene or an image and allowing yourself to explore it's effect on you. To feel your feelings and think about them in relation to the text.
Now, this is not to say that jokes and goofiness about a piece of art aren't fucking great. I love to watch The Thing and drink in the vibes or arctic desolation and paranoia, or think about the picture it paints of masculinity as a sublimely lonely thing where the most terrible threat is that of an imposed, alien intimacy. And that actually makes me laugh even more the jokey shitpost "Do you think the guys in The Thing ever explored each other's bodies? Yeah but watch out". Silly and serious don't have to be in opposition, and I often find the best jokes about a piece of media come from those who have really engaged with it.
And in terms of interpreting characters? Interpreting and responding to fictional characters is one of the key functions of stories. They're not real people, there is no objective truth to who they are or what they do or why they do it. They are artificial constructs and the life they are given is given by you, the reader/listener/viewer, etc. Your interpetation of them can't be wrong, because your interpretation of them is all that there is, they have no existence outside of that.
And obviously your interpretation will be different to other people's, because your brain, your life, your associations - the building blocks from which the voices you hear on a podcast become realised people in your mind - are entirely your own. Thus you cannot say anyone else's is wrong. You can say "That's not how it came across to me" or "I have a very different reading of that character", but that's it. I suppose if someone is fundamentally missing something (like saying "x character would never use violence" when x character strangles a man to death in chapter 4) you could say "I think that's a significant misreading of the text", but that's only to be reserved for if you have the evidence to back it up and are feeling really savage.
I think this is one of the things that saddens me a bit about some aspects of fandom culture - it has a tendency to police or standardise responses or interpretations, turning them from personal experiences to be explored into public takes to be argued over. It also has the occasional moralistic strain, and if there's one thing I wish I could carve in stone on every fan space it's that Your Responses to a Piece of Art Carry No Intrinsic Moral Weight.
As for authorial intention, that's a simpler one: who gives a shit? Even the author doesn't know their own intentions half the time. There is intentionality there, of course, but often it's a chaotic and shifting mix of theme and story and character which rarely sticks in the mind in the exact form it had during writing. If you ask me what my intention was in a scene from five years ago, I'll give you an answer, but it will be my own current interpretation of a half-remembered thing, altered and warped by my own changing relationship to the work and five years of consideration and change within myself. Or I might not remember at all and just have a guess. And I'm a best case scenario because I'm still alive. Thinking about a writers possible or stated intentions is interesting and can often lead to some compelling discussion or examination, but to try and hold it up as any sort of "truth" is, to my mind, deeply misguided.
Authorial statements can provide interesting context to a work, or suggest possible readings, but they have no actual transformative effect on the text. If an author says of a book that they always imagined y character being black, despite it never being mentioned in the text, that's interesting - what happens if we read that character as black? How does it change our responses to the that character actions and position? How does it affect the wider themes and story? It doesn't, however, actually make y character black because in the text itself their race remains nonspecific. The author lost the ability to make that change the moment it was published. It's not solely theirs anymore.
So yeah, that was a fuckin essay. In conclusion, serious and silly are both good, but serious does not mean yelling at other people about "misinterpretations", it means sitting with your personal explorations of a piece of art. All interpretations are valid unless they've legitimately missed a major part of the text (and even then they're still valid interpretations of whatever incomplete or odd version of the text exists inside that person's brain). Authorial intent is interesting to think about but ultimately unknowable, untrustworthy and certainly not a source of truth. Phew.
Oh, and blorbofication is fine, though it does to my mind sometimes pair with a certain shallowness to one's exploration of the work in question.
#Big thoughts#Big rambles#These are my current thoughts at least#They will likely change#As all things do
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Maybe I’m just getting older, but I really don't get this antagonistic attitude that people have when it comes to media criticism.
Nobody is sitting here saying that all criticism is good and that you should listen to every piece of criticism you get. Because guess what? Not all criticism is argued in good faith, nor does anybody like getting criticized.
But it’s important to learn how to deal with criticism, otherwise how are we supposed to improve?
I also hate how some folks assume that just because I’m critical of Viv and her shows, then that must mean I have some sort of personal vendetta against her. When I really don’t.
Truth be told, I legit hate that people think that I’m a Viv anti or that I only made this blog to criticize her shows. As anybody who actually bothered to browse through my archive would know that I’ve talked about (and criticized) other things that aren’t related to Viv.
My life doesn’t revolve around Viv you guys, I don’t wake up every morning and think “I wonder what Viv is up to?” I just go about my day like every other human being.
The reason I criticize Viv so much is that I’m genuinely curious as to why so many people within the animation industry hold her in such high regard. Is it because she came from an indie background? Do people love the “Indie creator gets her own show” narrative so much that they’re willing to overlook all her creative shortcomings?
It’s weird watching the same folks who were dunking on Velma praise Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss, because you damn well know that if Velma did the “Characters are in a room that’s decorated in dildos and vibrators” gag, Twitter would have a collective meltdown.
And yet for some odd reason, Viv’s shows are held to such higher standards that I honestly start to wonder if all these industry professionals watched the same shows that I did. Because I’m struggling to think of a single Hazbin Hotel or Helluva Boss joke that genuinely got a laugh out of me.
“But humor is subjective” okay, then why does Viv get so defensive whenever someone criticizes the humor that’s found in her shows?
Really don’t understand why she goes out of her way to complain about her critics when she could easily ignore them. She’s under no obligation to respond to her critics, but she keeps vague posting about all the criticism she gets because she literally cannot handle getting criticized.
Here’s the thing, Viv’s fans tend to assume that just because I'm critical of something that’s popular, then that means I don’t get criticized. When that certainly isn’t the case.
I’ve been criticized for being critical of the current state of indie animation, I got a bunch of hate from racist nerds for liking the My Adventures With Superman version of Livewire, and recently someone responded with a full length essay to a post of mine that was critical of Primos.
But the difference between me and Viv is that I don’t constantly post vague backhanded insults regarding my critics on social media. If I feel a piece of criticism is worth addressing, then I’ll address it and if not? Then I’m not going to bother.
Trust me, I haven’t lost any sleep over the fact that a bunch of random internet folks don’t like me.
#Vivziepop Critical#Hazbin Hotel Critical#Helluva Boss Critical#Media Criticism#Hazbin Hotel#Helluva Boss
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I saw a long post about this on the c!wilbur community and they brought up some good points about c!fundy and c!wilbur so I wanna talk about the issues I have with c!fundy revolving c!wilbur (not his character overall)
c!Fundy neg ahead
One point i’ll make clear immediately is that c!fundy abandoned c!wilbur first. c!wilbur did not “abandon” c!fundy until his suicide. That’s just the truth and i’m tired of certain people spinning it in a different way.
c!fundy chose to join manburg and stand on that stage and publicly declare that his ONLY relations with L’manburg was just being born there. Nothing else. I don’t care about his motives, he chose to do that infront of every and this hurt c!wilbur whether this fandom wants to admit it or not
Now yes, c!wilbur wasn’t the best father by any means. Canonically he babied c!fundy pretty hard and there is probably a reason for it and that reason isn’t malicious at all in my opinion! I’m not stating a reason simply because we never got one in canon but I doubt that c!wilbur was being intentionally malicious towards c!fundy, I genuinely think he was just trying to protect him like everyone else and he went about it the wrong way. Not that any reason justifies it since it hurt c!fundy, but still i’m making a point here that not everything c!wilbur does is malicious
What c!fundy did was way too far and not justifiable. He ran against his own father then sided with c!schlatt and got up on stage and said that shit. Then he proceeded to burn down the flag with c!wilbur watching who might I remind you was also exiled brutally killed by the side c!fundy just joined! I’m pretty sure he was also up on stage when c!wilbur was killed so he just watched him get murdered!
Moving fowards, suddenly after c!wilbur death we see c!fundy being all sad and claiming he was abandoned (JUST LIKE C!NIKI) I understand being hurt and upset your own father died, but to completely turn around and paint this narrative that you were intentionally abandoned is not only ableist but also it’s not going to make c!fundy feel any better. This is just bad writing imo and it only serves to demonize c!wilbur further
Also didn’t he try to get adopted by c!eret? Cleary, to me atleast c!fundy doesn’t care that much about c!wilbur anymore since he wanted so badly to be adopted but the person who KILLED c!wilbur and his family and then never fucking apologized correctly for it!
Now moving onto revival, c!wilbur has every right not to seek out c!fundy. To him, c!fundy set a clear boundary and why would he go out of his way to try and get c!fundy back when the last time he remembers c!fundy made it clear he didn’t want that? This fandom would’ve demonized him anyways if he sought out c!fundy trying to re build their relationship so he literally cannot win in any scenario
Now onto the stream. I think that stream wasn’t good at all. I appreciated their good moments sure but I have a few specific issues with it
One is the end of the stream where c!fundy JUMPS INTO THE LMANHOLE to “get away” from c!wilbur
talk about overreaction. I’m sorry I just think that moment was only added to give them more angst. c!fundy could’ve easily just walked past/away from him or waited for c!wilbur to leave before leaving himself, would’ve had much more of an impact I think.
and to be fair, c!wilbur was arguably pretty far away from c!fundy when he jumped, he only stopped to look back at HIS SON one more time before leaving LIKE HE WAS ASKED TO. I’m not even going into how this affected c!wilbur much because I genuinely just think that was shitty writing and didn’t need to happen, it was only there for useless angst.
Now moving on next part I have a problem with is the “why did you die?” line from fundy. Can I just say right off the bat the way it was said was so fucking rude of c!fundy. It wasn’t somber or out of genuine concern, he sounded angry at c!wilbur for *checks notes* KILLING HIMSELF!!!!!
I don’t care that he was hurt. You don’t say that to your father who killed himself. You don’t say that to any suicidal person actually. He was clearly uninterested in c!wilburs life yet he wants to act like this?? c!fundy painted it (intentionally or not) as a malicious calculated plan to abandon him instead of c!wilbur being at his breaking point. He couldn’t take it anymore so he killed himself yet c!fundy never acknowledged that
That stream, like a lot of the others imo just feels redundant because c!fundy never apologized or admitted he was in the wrong. They never talked about c!fundy abandoning c!wilbur for seemingly no reason or even the pogtopia buttons!! Which he did!! Their conversation wasn’t mutual. Even if it was and in the end c!fundy still wanted no contact, it would’ve atleast been satisfying to the viewers that they atleast talked with each other and acknowledged when they hurt each other
Think that’s where i’ll shut up now. I still have a few more things to say
I understand that i’m very biased right now. I am a c!wilbur apologist and I understand that my bias could possibly be affecting my view point.
I can still sympathize with c!fundy. He was hurt and he was hurt by c!wilbur. That’s just fact and c!wilbur did need to apologize to him and i’m glad that it was called out in the beginning by c!fundy that c!wilbur tried to walk away. Obviously I don’t think it was right of c!eret to trick c!wilbur into seeing c!fundy when im assuming he wasn’t prepared to talk to him if at all but im glad they atleast talked and had some good moments together.
Now just some light myth clearing from me
“c!wilbur never cared about c!fundy”
That’s just an obvious lie. He cared about his son and he cared a lot whether he admitted it or not. You all forget sometimes that c!wilbur lies and he lies a lot to avoid being vunerable. He literally stood up for his son when c!schlatt said some transphobic ass shit to c!fundy even though their relationship was ruined. It was alluded that he fainted when c!fundy jumped to get away from him, why would that happen if he didn’t care?
“c!wilbur was an abusive/neglectful father”
no…he wasn’t. He canonically babied c!fundy. While not good, it’s not abuse
“c!wilbur abandoned c!fundy”
The most common argument. No he didn’t. He killed himself. This is an ableist narrative spouted by characters and the fandom
Thank you for listening to my rant. This is all my opinion and please if anything here is wrong, correct me so I can fix it
#c!fundy neg#c!fundy crit#c!fundy negative#c!fundy critical#c!niki crit#<- only tagging cuz of the shade I threw at herLMAO
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mike having food issues isn’t a stretch, begging people to quit acting like it is
i just think it’s funny that people treat the idea of “there’s subtext that points to mike having issues with food” as some sort of ridiculous stretch and claim that it’s all just based on finn’s body when the show literally gave us Mike being mocked by other characters because of his weight, when Angela’s friend calls him a twig:
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Like. I’m sorry to everyone who’s pointing out the urban dictionary of twig referring to a gay man, but even if that’s also the case, even if the duffers were consulting urban dictionary, the reality is that it’s far more commonly used to refer to someone skinny in a rude way.
Mike’s also the character who mocks Hopper’s weight in s3, calling his face a “fat tomato,” and then interestingly enough, we see tomato imagery again when Chrissy’s mom is tormenting her about her weight and directly contributing to her ED:
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El is the one who makes the tomato comment, but Mike is the one who brings weight into it.
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And then the next time we see tomato imagery is when Chrissy’s mom is tormenting her about her weight and we get the tomato pin cushion, and with the way the scene is setup, out attention is drawn to that cushion when you actually watch the shot in motion.
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I feel like a lot of people on here have a very narrow definition of disordered eating and are basing all of their criticism on that narrow definition and are acting like everyone is saying that Mike is a Typical Anorexic Who Is Constantly Aware Of His Problems With Food. Instead, what I’m saying, at least, is that there’s strong subtext that points to Mike having anxiety and avoidance related food issues that stem from the frequent conflict at the Wheeler dinner table (something we see again in S4 when there’s conflict at the Byers’ dinner table and they go out of their way to show that Mike isn’t eating and also show Will noticing the fact that Mike isn’t eating), which still very much constitutes an eating disorder.
Will stares at Mike’s plate repeatedly, even when the scene cuts away and back to him. This isn’t a one time glance, Will literally cannot keep his eyes on his own plate:
It happens throughout the whole scene. Not only is the audience noticing that Mike isn’t eating, but other characters are noticing too.
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And we also see Nancy calling Mike “disgusting,” for his food choices in S1, which is an offhand, relatively mild comment on its own, but when combined with the constant conflict at the Wheeler dinner table, especially conflict at criticism directed at Mike specifically, it becomes a setup for Mike’s anxiety and avoidance related food issues.
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The setup is there for Mike to have avoidance/anxiety-related issues with food. It’s in the show, whether you’re comfortable with it or not.
I genuinely think that a lot of people on here (even those who have struggled with disordered eating themselves, because one person’s experience does NOT mean they understand everyone’s experience) could benefit from a deeper and wider understanding of what constitutes an eating disorder/disordered eating and various types of eating disorders, including ARFID. Disordered eating is far more common than people think it is, and it isn’t limited to “person who knowingly starves themselves because they hate their body,” it frequently has nothing to do with a person’s body at all, and just because you’ve had a different experience or a lack of knowledge of other experiences and research about eating disorders doesn’t negate the existence of knowledge and experiences that are different from yours.
Hopper very much deals with a disordered mentality around weight and food, and I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that the same applies to Mike (albeit in a different way) considering how often the two of them are paralleled and how often those parallels are scenes that specifically relate to size/weight (see: Mike calling Hopper fat in S3, and the S4 hug scene where mike comments on Hopper’s weight/him shrinking).
I’ve repeatedly seen people say things about how there’s a “million other reasons,” for all of these scenes involving Mike and his food issues, and yet, they conveniently, never actually provide those magical alternate reasons, and would rather try and make people out as being weird for pointing out obvious subtext in the show. The evidence I’ve provided here is barely scraping the surface of all of the evidence that points towards Mike having food issues, and yet, people act like it’s some ridiculous stretch but also never actually provide an alternate explanation because apparently “the guy who’s frequently shown signs of anxiety and avoidance issues and self esteem issues and whose family dinner table is full of conflict and criticism directed at him has some anxiety and avoidance and self esteem issues that are tied to the conflict directed at him at his family dinner table,” is simply a far-off, insane stretch.
Begging people to put their thinking hats on and be willing to accept that their knowledge on a topic might be missing pieces and that they may be looking at a topic such as disordered eating through a narrow lens.
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The Bad, The Worse, and The Downright Idiotic
A Wiatt Nicholson Analysis
YOU GUYS HAVE NO IDEA HOW LONG I HAVE WAITED TO VERBALLY KILL THIS DUDE. I HAVE BEEN STRANGLING HIM WITH MY MIND SINCE THE COLLAPSE OF THE BUILDING. AND THIS IS WHY.
DISCLAIMERS!! : One, I have absolutely nothing against any of the writers on this show! You all are doing a fantastic job for how small this series is and I do genuinely adore the work you guys do < 3. Second, I want to make it clear that I do not condone anything Sara has done on her own terms. And she has done bad things on her own terms. She has done horrible things and I do not think that should be brushed under the rug. I do, however, believe her to be redeemable.
(side note I did get a lil sidetracked when talking about sara, whom I also have strong feelings towards and'll prolly get her own rant in the future)
What has Wiatt done?
Now Wiatt seems to have his heart in the right place, however good intentions hardly amount to much when your actions directly cause death, suffering, and irreversible damage.
He can’t tell that so much of what’s going on is because Litho knows he’s going to lead people directly into his own plans. This especially became evident in the last episode. Did he not remember the risks of anything relating to Litho?? Why on earth would he think it was safe for Pen, Lisa, or even Hayden whom narrowly survived?
I know by this point to take everything character’s say with a grain of salt (and I know this isn’t directly Wiatt’s fault either), but I really wanna get into what Hayden said while yelling at Wiatt. He states that since he arrived at dreamworld, someone has gone missing every week. Wiatt has worked here for at least a year. Even considering taking a month off for the collapse fiasco, that is 47 weeks. 47 people. THAT IS INSANE. Even cutting that number in half for hyperbole’s sake that’s still 23 missing people since Wiatt started. Jesus christ man.
What else has he done? He broke Starlight after recklessly jumping into a hole, got wtdw!rainbott seemingly mindwiped, recorded entirely private and frankly unrelated moments and UPLOADED them, been responsible for the deaths of his coworkers (to name a few anyways), and what does he have to show for it? A police station that thinks he’s insane. He couldn’t possibly have been more tactless trying to convince them to begin an investigation.
It seems he thinks that because the people he’s against are bad, that automatically makes him good - in the right - but he is so blinded by his sense of a binary wrong and right he fails to see the horrible things he himself has caused.
Against the Antagonist
I wanna talk about Sara for a second. From what we’ve learned thus far, and I know we haven’t gotten all that many Sara scenes, almost all of what Sara does seems to be attempting to clean up a mess she made many years ago, in comparison to Wiatt who does absolutely nothing but stir the pot.
Sara is stuck here; she is bound to Litho and cannot escape no matter how hard she wants to. She had friends. She’s doing what Litho wants because she has to. We saw what happened when she tried to defy him. Wiatt is only here because of one connection, but could literally leave whenever he wants no harm no foul.
Now the Norman thing I am curious about, because so far, I can’t figure out why 1. she killed him in the first place and certainly 2. why she kept the footage of it. She never seemed to hate Norman, if anything she would be against him for clearly being infatuated with Andrew, and I can’t really blame her for that? I mean nothing is enough to justify murder, but it wouldn’t be in cold blood. I’m also assuming this is before Dreamworld Entertainment due to the fact that Norman seemingly had no involvement. Another odd thing not only was he rebuilt to look exactly like he did when he was alive, but he retained all of his memories as well, and was given a higher power among the staff of Watchful Eye Toys, with memory control himself.
Whatever happened during his death must have been important.
But back to Wiatt. All of Sara actions, albeit terrible, were calculated and she did what she believed was necessary. Wiatt has no concept that his actions have consequences, so all he does is messy things up, making everything far worse than it needed to be.
Why should I care? (Comparison to Eric)
At the very beginning when Eric is first introduced, we are given no reason to care at all about him. I mean, we know he was friends with Lewis but that’s not enough to really grow any attachment to him. We start learning little facts about him, but when it really clicks is during the secret tapes.
Seeing Eric outside of the main plot, his real personality, his hopes, his dreams, his struggles starting from a young age up until how he is today. We’re given the chance to build connections with him and see him as a real person, a character with depth. Knowing his motivations and what built him makes it so easy to grow extremely attached, making any horrific things hit much harder.
Now moving back to Wiatt, we really don’t get to see the real him. We see him once interacting with Lewis, but even that was simply for plot relevance. We really know nothing about him. Even his transition, which would be so easy to capitalize on seeing as the viewership of Dreamworld is highly LGBTQ+, and many people would relate. But we get more about Mike’s transition than Wiatt, and he’s only ever had one real scene as himself.
That’s not even dipping into who Wiatt is as a person. What are his passions? Who are his loved ones outside of just Lewis? What was school like for him? What got him into the mechanic business? Who took care of him after his parents died? I understand this can be hard to smoothly integrate into a story but look how well it worked with Eric’s tapes.
Now this is getting much more into the writing side of the show, but I think something that's kind of lacking is character building filler. As much as having a concise plot is nice, without scenes or even full episodes dedicated to fleshing out our cast, it makes it really difficult to connect.
There’s so so much of his character to explore that we just never get into, and it kinda makes it hard to root for him when there’s nothing backing his character. Just like, a few more tapes of Wiatt would be plenty, something outside of Lewis. I would love to see his relationships with other characters (you cannot build a sense of character off one single relationship), how he views himself, just anything.
Its incredibly difficult to analyze a character when they seemingly have no depth.
In Conclusion
I am not a fan of Wiatt as it currently is (understatement of the year), but good god am I persuadable. I just want Dreamworld to give me a reason to root for him. Something to sympathize with, relate to. Have him improve. Allow him to realize his mistakes, and become a better person for that.
I don’t think he’s a lost cause.
But give me a reason to believe that.
#now yall can have whatever opinions you want#if you still like wiatt whatever it's not my problem do whatever you want lmao#but holy#fucking#shit#he makes my blood BOIL#I hope my thoughts are coherent enough to explain that#anyways have a lovely day< 333#except for wiatt#fuck you#/hj#rant#ramble#analysis#character analysis#wtdw#welcome to dreamworld#wiatt#wiatt wtdw#wiatt welcome to dreamworld
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LO RANT:
I still cannot wrap my head around the fact that Persephone really got intimate with someone despite her sexual trauma and we just glossed over it like it did not matter. I don’t see how anyone could be satisfied or okay with this shit since the situation was a huge plot point for years, not months, YEARS. Yet the time when it finally came up to it everything was rushed and never spoken about again, like Persephone’s trauma is important and I don’t can’t understand how no one ever questioned that.
Like I keep saying in these damn rants, Hades has a plethora of explanations for his trauma and whole dedicated chapters towards Kronos and being eaten. Everything he does ties back to it and it’s clear that this affected him in a major way since we were able to actually see how different he was after the fact. We know so much shit about the Kronos situation yet we barely know bits and pieces about Persephone’s trauma and that gets on my fucking nerves, am I asking anyone to be descriptive? No. Am I asking anyone to speak on it every other chapter? No, but what I am asking is why didn’t it actually matter. The assault felt like it was only there to establish a bad guy, it also felt like it was only there to make Hades a knight in shining armor to save Persephone mainly because nothing she did up until then made any fucking sense. Something terribly traumatic happened to you and you’re telling me you’re going to tell that very personal and vulnerable piece of information to a guy from a party you got absolutely wasted at, ended up in his home, almost got attacked by his dog, and was offered to have sex with him over the slightest bit of shoulders revealing themselves. That’s absolutely manufactured, it doesn’t even make sense in the story at all which makes me feel like it was set up just so Persephone would have a reason to talk to Hades.
Which I personally feel is really fucked up, why did anyone think it was a good idea to have her assault be the reason why they’re made for each other? Persephone could’ve called him for literally anything else to build their friendship since she already was under the impression that they were friends, I don’t understand why she would trust him of all people when he was literally trying to get in her pants out of nowhere. And then every single thing tied to Apollo and her trauma in later chapters always somehow involved Hades, FOR NO REASON. It’s been established that she has a completely different support team that doesn’t even include Hades yet he’s the main one always there whenever she “needs to be rescued”, there’s no way that this wasn’t used as a fucking ploy to push these two together. It’s obvious that Hades isn’t a great person at all, like genuinely fuck the whole “he’s not perfect but he’s trying :(“ thing he’s just irredeemably bad, and by the looks of it he would never be a good husband or partner for Persephone so Rachel had to do something to cover that up and like everything with Hades it was ultimately the bare minimum.
It’s just so fucked up to me. You can’t even deny it either because there are dozens of stories (romance) where the main character has something absolutely traumatic done to them and the love interest just so happens to be there to “fix” them or “save” in this case. It’s very popular and I’m not saying that it’s always all bad, the way that you execute the trauma and the way that your characters interact with it are what makes it either really bad or really good. With Lore Olympus though, it had to be the worst case of this honestly because not only did you rush the healing process just so they could screw each other smoothly but you also made a complete mockery of it. I’m sure there’s a bunch of people who relate to Persephone’s story and I don’t want to knock them nor am I criticizing them and I understand that not all survivors are going to react the same, there’s millions of people on this Earth and since we’re not clones of each other we’re always going to share major differences, but this is just so incredibly bad. You have Persephone literally resting in the bed that she got assaulted in with a man, you have this man touching her and invading her personal space multiple times without asking days after this happened, and you have a man that you need to comfort while you tell him your own trauma. You see how none of this makes sense? I know not all survivors react the same I know it and I feel bad for even pointing this out but at the same time you’re going to be affected by stuff like this.
This was days after it happened everyone, days. Not weeks, not months, not years, not decades, and not even centuries. Days after Persephone experienced a huge violation of her body in her own room and she does not worry or think about it once when she’s with Hades. This stuff does not just go away, trauma never goes away because what’s done is done sadly your brain and body has already been affected and you may not be able to revert back to the person you were before. Of course there’s ways to make your trauma less prominent and less of a problem for your everyday life whether it be medically assigned pills, therapy visits, and other supportive resources that specialize in things such as that but it’s never just going to disappear from your life entirely. It’s going to follow you like a dark cloud and it’s going to control your every move especially when it’s just happened, it’s a massive impact on a person no matter how big or small which is why stuff like this needs to be taken more seriously. So many people expect you to get over it and forget about it but you can’t because it’s not something that you can forget so easily, it’s draining and it’s consuming and sometimes it’s very isolating. Which is why I appreciated the therapist episode since it really does showcase just how daily it can be and how it just molds itself apart of your everyday life but sadly I know it’s very clearly just trying to appease readers’ concerns about Persephone’s trauma being forgotten which makes me have another problem to talk about.
How am I supposed to believe that Persephone was struggling with this stuff almost everyday when there’s nothing alluding to that fact. Persephone rarely has any symptoms or experiences the effects of trauma unless Hades can be involved somehow, her trauma is only important and valid when the story can use it for romance and I think that’s again, very fucked up. You don’t see Hades’ trauma only being brought up so Persephone can fix them, he just says them and we can see how even though it’s been centuries he’s still dealing with the long term affects but you don’t see the story using it as a ploy to get them together (mainly), no one’s using Hades being swallowed up by his own father as a kid as some cute moment for Persephone to take him to dinner or something this treatment only happens to Persephone. If her trauma can’t be cute in some way then it’s not going to be shown and it’s again, very insulting.
Anyways, I will end this rant here yet I will never not be upset at the fact that Rachel only made Persephone “heal” just so she could give us the most unnatural intimate scenes ever. Endgame for them was just having sex and I think it’s so incredibly mind boggling that we’re supposed to look at this in a romantic sense, nothing about this is romantic and it’s very obvious that this was just used as “drama” which should’ve never been the case in the first place.
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…I swear to God, why have like half the Beforan players tried to bone someone significantly younger than them??? Probably because the author’s a creep who got a kick out of it, but still, between what was just discussed with Rufioh, Aranea trying to hit on Jake, Cronus trying to bone his dancestor (jesus fuck) and Meenah dating a physically 13-year-old Vriska… that’s a THIRD of the dancestors? And those are just the four I’m aware of, I would be very disappointed but not at all surprised if there was a fifth.
Honestly, adults having inappropriate relationships with children is just a heavily recurring theme in Homestuck... It's not really all that surprising when you take a step back. Doc Scratch, Hussie's own self insert, Bro Strider... They're all much older than the Alpha Trolls are, and are creepy towards the Betas in some way.
Further discussion going under the cut.
Content Warning: Discussion of Sexual Assault, Harassment, and Pedophilia.
... Man, I'm having to write about this topic a lot lately, aren't I? This isn't even close to the only ask left in my inbox about something adjacent to this. It's kind of... Flattering, in the weirdest way possible? I don't know, I'm often approached for my opinions on some of the much more serious and dark aspects of Homestuck. Things that people don't really know, or talk about, or address- like the racism issues, Dave's CSA, et cetera. It's not really prestigious, I don't think, but it does require a level of trust in maturity and literacy. I appreciate it.
Anyways, this is mostly going to be me adding to and even debunking your ask here. I think this subject both deserves and requires specificity. It's an extremely emotionally charged topic, so peoples imaginations tend to get a little... Carried away, when they don't know the full extent to what's happening. Considering how it's not easy to term search things said by most of the Alpha Trolls, and some people really just do not want to/cannot interact with things relating to Child Harm and Abuse... There's bound to be both a lack of information and an excess of misinformation. It's understandable, but... Deeply annoying for me in particular. Lol.
Let's do this.
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The inclusion of Rufioh in this is both correct and based on some of my own posting on the matter. Rufioh was hitting on Aradiabot, who is 13, because she reminded him of Damara... Specifically remarking upon how she's "just like the real thing". Charming...
Here's where I'm going to supply a debunk: Aranea did not try to hit on Jake, and he is not significantly younger than her. That's a pretty ugly misconception. She's 19, and he is 16. She had zero romantic or sexual feelings towards Jake. Yes, she tried to kiss him once... Because she knew that he was attracted to her and assumed he'd appreciate her making a move on him. This was part of her little scheme to make him Hope-splode. She never did actually kiss him, and there was genuinely no consent violations involved in the situation- he told her to stop before she could, and she did. It was just a misunderstanding. It happens. If you're still put off by that age gap, that's fair and entirely respectable, but that's not "significantly younger", and the situation wasn't really objectively creepy.
... Cronus is... Fucking gross. His whole gimmick is that he is "The Worst Character in Homestuck", and boy does he succeed at it. He won that title. Earned it. Absolutely flying colors. He tried to "get with" Karkat, Tavros, and Eridan. By which I mean he stalked Karkat all the way to his house and then tried to break into it, got really handsy with Tavros in the middle of a crowd, and... Sexually assaulted Eridan- his own flesh and blood!- also in the middle of a crowd. All of these kids are 13 years old, and his main character trait is "Sexual Assault + Harassment". No one's free. Not even literal children! Cronus counts as a full-blown Pedophile, by the way!! There's your fun fact for the day.
Then there's Meenah, who had her whole thing with (Vriska), who was 13. Not just physically, but mentally, too. She was just 13. That was a whole arc, so it doesn't really need much elaborating upon, I hope.
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That's... Just about it, I think? That's all I remember, anyway, as far as the Alpha Troll Age Gap Weirdness goes. So... Only 3 of them are really problems in that respect, which is 1/4th of the cast. Still an upsetting amount, but not... As bad as 1/3rd, as far as optics goes.
In full honesty, it's kind of funny to me how the Alpha Trolls who have overtly sexual theming are... Pretty normal about kids. Damara's nice to them and nobody else, we've got zero reason to suspect Mituna of anything, and Porrim's just chilling. It's accurate, if anything.
Hopefully this has been fun and/or informative. Have a lovely day.
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hi hello!! whats your favorite los camp! album?? all of my mutuals have had different answers haha
AAAAHHHH HIIIIIII NEW MUTUAL :D
truthfully, i don’t think it’s been just one—it rotates between them a lot. when i first got into them it was no blues, then it was romance is boring, then we are beautiful we are doomed, then sick scenes—you get the picture. i find it hard to compare them when they’re all so distinct from one another. i love hold on now youngster for its immaculate scream-in-the-car-after-a-shitty-shift ability, i love we are beautiful we are doomed for its metaphors about love and death (“i cannot emphasize enough that my body is a badly designed poorly put together vessel” and “i don’t want to sound trite but you were perfect, the way you could seriously make nature look dysmorphic” are two of the most notable ones to me), i love romance is boring’s unique sound but absolutely undeniable BANGERS (genuinely i think that album has so many bangers oh my god, it was a bit of an acquired taste for me at first but DAMN if in media res doesn’t change my brain chemistry every time i hear it then i don’t know what does). hello sadness took a while for me to get into, but i love how flowing it is, and while i’m more picky about the songs on it, this album is home to my favorite song on their entire discography—to tundra. my GOD i am so fucking obsessed with that song. literally cried the first time i heard it. no blues was the first album of theirs i listened to all the way through, so it holds a very special place in my heart—and i feel like i can relate to it because of how intricate and bursting with vocabulary it is. i gotta admit, i write fanfic and tend to get carried away with my prose a lot, so i feel very connected to that album because of it. and last but certainly not least, SICK SCENES!! i moved out to go to uni not too long ago and this album held my hand when i did it. hung empty CARRIED me through my first semester when i still had no fucking clue what i was doing. the entire album genuinely is so good, every single song on it is irreplaceable, and as of late, it’s my favorite vinyl to listen to.
if we’re talking my current favorite, however, i’ve gotta say that i’ve been rocking with no blues lately. give me long-winded metaphors about death and pretentious vocabulary!! WOOOOO!!
but yep, that’s my thoughts—i’m far too indecisive to pick just one album. i can’t wait for all hell to come out :D
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inquiring out of curiosity and love for your craft and your analysis!
the impression I get from your interpretation is that dazai only ever slept with chuuya - or mostly chuuya, anyway.
for the context, the impression I personally get of dazai in the context of his sexual relations is that he does sleep with people - not neccesarily only women but he doesn't talk about it - as a coping mechanism and an escape from loneliness. as a way to brush off other people, to being briefly, if only physically, understood by someone. dazai is still a very alienated person, after all, and in most cases he either fucks and dissapears or has friendly relationships where he doesn't fully reveal himself - he does enjoy people and encounters with them, he just can't stand actual, true intimacy (or when it's said out loud). but on top of it all I think that dazai either already had relationships with chuuya of sexual or romantic nature before, though it wasn't discussed openly and wasn't neccesarily exclusive/commited - or he wishes he could have something like that with chuuya some day. also he, very likely, has used his body for information or other professional exchange before, I think nurse scene hints at that.
has he only ever truly considered chuuya in your take? I'm very curious as to how you interpret women that dazai apparently broken hearts of by chuuya's own words, or his stalkers/mailers. is it not of interest to you and you don't see him from that lense or it's rather that the nature of this relationship doesn't seem sexual to you? maybe he just does it all for fun? how do you view chuuya in this regard, has he ever had sex or attempted relationship with anyone else? with who, if yes, random one night stands or people from the business? in what time period in your interpretation they start being sexual with one another? how do you interpret the whole "I want to die with a beautiful women" thing, the usual dazai bullshit or a hint at his desire to be understood/accepted or something else entirely?
sorry for the unusually long question/text wall, I'm genuinely extremely interested in your takes on bsd and soukoku because they seem very interesting and well though out (as well as your texts hehe). I hope it doesn't trouble you to answer!
Hi hii! This is such an interesting ask!!! ( ˶°ㅁ°) !!
Genuinely thank you so much for leaving it! 💗💕 These are all things I have very specific opinions about that I’m always waiting to talk about!!! o( > ᗜ < )o ₊˚⊹♡
Okay let’s take these in order 😈
Firstly, yes, I do believe that in the canon Universe, or, well, my personal rendition of it, Dazai would only sleep with Chuuya and nobody else.
BUT, I agree that he would sleep with random people (Well. Men, I headcanon him as strictly gay) in an AU where he either doesn’t meet Chuuya as young as he does in canon, or has made a habit of sleeping with people before he meets Chuuya, or gets separated from Chuuya for a really long time and genuinely doesn’t think they’ll ever see each other again.
The canon Universe, doesn’t fit any of those criteria, so 💔 (except perhaps the being separated one, but whether he saw Chuuya again or not was ENTIRELY in his hands in that scenario. So he always expected them to reconnect, because it was always his choice to make, and he knew that he was going to make it someday. He literally called them meeting again in the dungeon a “reunion long in the making”)
Now as for why I believe this, there are a handful of reasons, and I feel like they all kind of tie into each other.
Firstly, I believe Dazai to be on the asexual spectrum. The aromantic one, too, but that's not particularly relevant in this situation. I think he's somewhere under the demisexual umbrella, which means that he genuinely cannot enjoy sex with someone he doesn't know very well/feels connected to/whatever. And I believe the only person he's actually capable of feeling this way about is Chuuya.
To me, he's at the very far end of the spectrum, in the sense that he wouldn't want that with anybody at all, but he just so happened to meet the ONE person that meets all of his hyper-specific criteria that would allow for an exception. This head-canon is mostly based on vibes (and projection) but I also think it fits thematically for him.
His ability literally entitled No Longer Human is touch-based. And, he feels like that ability dehumanizes him. Abilities dehumanize mostly everyone in BSD, and especially people that are... Anywhere but in the ADA. They turn children into tools, into weapons. This is shown time and time again, and even more so, despite there being an argument to make about how Dazai's intelligence is what actually dehumanizes him, NLH is the icing on the cake. That ability is so useful and so overpowered, it is the final thing that turns him into an elite weapon.
And NLH is bound to his skin. It is activated by touch. Can we be surprised he grows to distain it? Not only because of the dehumanization, but also because he keeps needing to fucking touch people. Strangers. Over and over.
This is also why I think he wears his bandages. They are placed in such a peculiar way. Covering every inch of his skin that isn’t covered by clothing except his hands. Even his fucking neck, in what context would someone need to touch his neck? He can't cover his hands because that would render his ability useless. He cannot cover his face because he needs to see and breathe, or whatever. But in his teens, he does cover half of it. At least half. At least he's not leaving it fully bare.
This motherfucker is so touch repulsed it's insane. And the way he uses his ability, when he has to, reinforces this. He nullifies Atsushi's ability for the first time with a single finger. He places one single hand on Chuuya's neck when they first meet. He never touches more than what is strictly necessary, when it comes to strangers.
Was that “I'm not interested in hugging men” moment towards Atsushi really a “I'm not gay” moment, or was it “I'm not interested in hugging. I don't want you touching me. But I have to play that off. But I have a persona to keep up.”
So, I don't think sleeping with people would work as a coping mechanism. He wouldn't find any escapism through that because bare touch, to him, is inherently vulnerable.
The reason why I feel like he might do it anyway in AUs where Chuuya is not present for whatever reason, is because he is desperate for that closeness to somebody and he doesn't have anybody to project that onto, so he goes into it every time hoping something will change; it is nothing but a stale, fruitless habit. Or, he'd use sex strictly as self-harm, and if he's never had sex with Chuuya at all in such an AU, he probably wouldn't even know it's not supposed to feel like this and he is meant to enjoy it.
And even if this wasn't the case, other people aren't capable of understanding him in the slightest. It would be irritating simply because the person is incapable of reading his mind and doesn't know the hyper-specific way he wants to be treated and fucked. Dazai? Expressing his… wants?? 😨😨
And otherwise, if Chuuya is an option, why would he bother with someone else? Why would he have uncomfortable unfulfilling sex that he hates if the only person that understands him in the exact way which he wishes to be understood, is able to fulfill all of his desires perfectly without him even having to voice them, and that he is simply just interested in and fascinated by like no other is RIGHT there? Having sex with someone else when Chuuya is an option would make the encounter even worse for him, because he's aware of what he could have instead.
So, whatever complex relationship they do have would be exclusive imo, simply because Dazai knows putting the energy into having sex with someone else wouldn't pay off at all, and would only work at making him feel bad, dirty, and uncomfortable.
That being said, I do agree he was taught to use his body as a tool. I think all Mafia members are. This is not only shown through the nurse scene, yes, but also through that Kyouka scene where her first idea for distracting someone is using her "womanly charms". A 14 year old girl. Sigh.
But, Dazai is clever. And he is especially clever with his words. Even though this is a standard Mafia practice, and something he has been told and taught to do, he's able to dodge ever having to actually end up having sex. He can flirt, and he can tease, and he can withhold and dangle sex like a prize until his goal is achieved before the act is even initiated. Then he slips away from the situation. He'd touch the other person using his hands at MOST, when someone is being incredibly stubborn and not budging at all, because that's detached enough, and nobody is actually touching him in any way, he's doing all the touching, and he also mostly uses his hands as the outlet of his ability as well so it helps making it feel like a strictly work-related affair. And he'd know how to talk his way into making that seem like enough, how to make that seem like more than enough, even.
Plus, being instructed to use his body this way would only make him even more touch-repulsed, I fear. Not only is he a weapon, but now he's being reduced to a mere undefined object, too, because of his godforsaken body. He is told to give up all of his personhood and his identity and dignity in order to fulfill a goal. He is being viewed as nothing but a means to an end. Never a fucking person.
His body is the only thing that is permanently his, that he cannot get rid of even if he tried, and he is taught time and time again that it is nothing but a tool. Through fighting, and using his ability, and even offering it as a sexual object, it is nothing but a tool. Of course he feels uncomfortable in his own skin, of course he hates it, of course he wants to cover it up, and of course he never wants anyone to touch him ever again.
Regarding the next point, I have a lot of thoughts about Dazai's relations with and opinions on women as a whole. As in, I think he's deeply misogynistic.
The only reason this slips by people, including the audience, is because he’s not conventional about it in the slightest. Misogyny is not just screaming from the top of your lungs that women don’t deserve rights and they belong in the kitchen, or whatever the fuck. Misogyny can be the very societally acceptable, you know… Disregard for a woman’s boundaries and not taking ‘no’ for an answer *cough* the waitress *cough*. Or leading women on/lovebombing for entertainment and without guilt, as I believe he has done with those women Chuuya says he ‘left crying’.
Plus. He threatens Dazai with giving those women his address, right? Which implies that Chuuya has their contacts, somehow. And Chuuya uses the specific phrase “you left crying” so it’s safe to assume Dazai initiated those interactions then called it quits. Even more so, it implies that he gave them Chuuya’s number instead of his own, presumably because he didn’t want further contact. If it was a consensual one-night stand kind of deal I don’t think those women would have any reason to be crying? Even if they wanted it to happen again, Dazai not wishing for that wouldn’t be heartbreak. Maybe if he acted particularly loving for spectacle and then gave them his [Chuuya’s] number and those women were expecting something more? But I don’t think that’s the case either. Like I don’t think pretending that he loves the person he’s having sex with would serve Dazai for… anything. It wouldn’t help make him feel less alone, and he wouldn’t believe those lies himself. It would be entirely futile unless he’s trying to get some entertainment out of simply fucking with the women’s heads and hearts, which I believe he would do if he wasn’t touch repulsed. So. He does it. Without touch having to get involved. Catch my drift?
So, no, I don’t think those relationships were sexual. I do not think they were anything at all, honestly. They were either transactional (as in, other instances of Dazai using his body, except he only needed to use his charm and good looks and it didn’t have to go further), or they were just Dazai being bored.
He views women, and the prospect of the romantic/sexual they believe can happen (which can’t, not only because of the aforementioned aro/ace identity and touch repulsion, but also because, again, I believe he is STRICTLY gay) as entertainment or tools, and nothing more.
With Higuchi, for example, he flirts with her strictly to distract her attention and plant the tracker. Same thing with Sasaki. We joke about the whole “I’d say she’s sexy as hell” line all the time but like… Is that REALLY what you want to say to a woman you just rescued from death?? And then when he flirts with her he does it strictly to gain something, and he immediately ‘ships’ her with Kunikida for no reason. You know, as if women should always be put in relation to men and any woman/man interaction that isn’t hostile must be of romantic nature?
The woman who dies in the first Ranpo episode, he immediately starts going on and on about her looks. Of a dead woman. And how he wishes, if she was gonna die anyway, she would’ve committed double suicide with him. The way he starts objectifying and viewing this corpse in regards to himself IMMEDIATELY 😭 Lmao.
I’m not saying I expected him to have genuine sympathy. This is Dazai after all. I’m just saying that he jumped to objectifying her SO quick. He always does.
And I don’t believe this is because he’s actually attracted to them. The opposite, actually. Attraction, romantic or sexual or of whatever kind, to Dazai are very, very delicate things, as I’ve detailed previously. He is not one to play with something like that simply for fun.
Even more so, if he was taught to use his body to gain things, do we think the accent of that fell on men or women? It would be safe to assume it was both, right, because that would be objectively more useful?
Okay. Then why does he never use these methods with men when he’s in the ADA? I don’t think saying he’s not attracted to them really works here, because this is not about who he is or isn’t into, this is a work-related affair. Don’t think you could reasonably claim he was into Higuchi, for example.
Well, I think it’s because with a woman, he’s always in the more dominant position, you know, the masculine position. Which he would never willingly be in a genuine sexual relationship, so it helps detaching from the situation. If he was trying to flirt with a man, due to the ways seducing a man and seducing a woman tend to differ, which he was taught, he’d have to be on the more submissive position, aka the feminine position. We see that Dazai doesn’t have a problem with being perceived as feminine (the whole Snow White thing as a concrete example, and just?? his way of being??? he presents very feminine tbh), so that’s not the problem here. It’s not the emasculation. It’s because he’s undeniably (key word because he’s still technically the object in such a relation with a woman, but he intentionally spins that around so the woman is always more objectified than him) the sexual object in this situation, not the other man + in a situation where he’d be able to be the masculine counterpart in an M/M type of flirting situation, it could also be argued that he simply has too much respect for men to objectify them like that.
I mean, not only has Dazai never had any good or important relationships with women, he hasn’t had relationships with women at ALL in his formative years. Kouyou or maybe Gin are the closest, but I don’t think strictly workplace relationships would count enough to make an impact.
Otherwise, all of his friends were men, his partner and the person he worked with most was a man, his boss was a man, his mentee was a man. Idek what I should call Hirotsu in relation to him, but he is a man too.
Two of these people stand out, the most important people to Dazai at the time. That being, Chuuya and Oda—Dazai’s sole examples, at the time, of what a human is like. Both are very masculine men. The humanity which he reveres in them, is mostly made up of masculine traits.
What Dazai considers humanity is the capacity for great emotion, the inability to stomp it even when it would benefit the person. What he reveres in Chuuya most is his anger, his violent outbursts, his cockiness, his power. You know, the most masculine kind of emotion. Violence and masculinity are historically interlinked.
What he reveres in Oda is kindness, which would be a stereotypically feminine trait, yes, but it is kindness through the masculine lens. It is kindness through protection. Even if he doesn’t do it lethally, or misses on purpose, we see that Oda is willing to resort to violence if for the means of protection. When he picks up Akutagawa in Dead Apple, he starts shooting aimlessly. Dazai himself challenges this when he tries to force Oda to shoot that Mimic member before he shoots Dazai. What he is testing there is How much violence is Oda willing to resort to for the sake of protecting? How much will he sacrifice his ideals for his loved ones?
Through both of these, he has subconsciously equated humanity with masculinity.
Which is also a big part of why I view him as genderqueer, because he doesn’t view himself as human, so he doesn’t view himself as fully a man either, but I have another ask in my inbox where I can get into more detail about that. This is still relevant here, though, because it makes his misogyny gain hints of internalized misogyny as well. (EDIT: Here’s the post for easy access <3)
(And even though he interacts with a lot more women in the ADA, all of his important relationships still remain with men. His ‘human’ scope extends to Atsushi and Kunikida, and maybe Ranpo, but it’s still just… Men. He recognizes Yosano, for example, as a woman worthy of respect but he doesn’t. He doesn’t really care for her existence. He’s not a RADICAL misogynist to the point where he would bring down any woman, he recognizes that women have merits, he just puts the women that do and the women that “don’t” in separate categories, and only deems one of those groups worthy of respect. Plus, even with women he does respect, he doesn’t interact with. He doesn’t care for them. Most notable interactions Dazai has had with women where he wasn’t objectifying them were that scene when he’s talking with Kyouka on an ear piece, and the scene where he tells Gin she’s grown. And the Gin scene is fucking debatable considering it could be argued he did that for no reason other than to embarrass her.)
Anyway. This derailed a bit. POINT WAS. Dazai’s “attraction” to women is superficial and objectifying, and his only notable relationships are with men. And also, idk where this could be inserted organically in the analysis so I’m just gonna add it here: I believe the womanizer trope is inherently misogynistic.
So… No. I don’t think those relationships were sexual. Explained in too many words ��
Chuuya gives me a very different impression, though. I find this so funny because I have basically assigned Dazai every kind of queer identity under the sun, in some way (+ I also believe he’s autistic. Should’ve probably mentioned this in the touch-repulsion thing too but I forgot), and then the only thing Chuuya has is... bisexuality 💗
Maybe a hint of demiromanticism. Actually. Yeah. Definitely demiromanticism. But that is IT.
So, I do think he’d sleep around very casually. Honestly I could see Chuuya sleeping with almost every adult in the BSD cast 💀
Or, well, I think he’d be willing to, but it’s debatable if the other person would, and he’s not going to be the one to initiate anything, so…
Which brings me to the answer to the other question. I don’t think he’d go for people in the business himself, he’d probably only initiate things with strangers, but if someone from the business happens to initiate it (and is also sober and legal ofc ofc), he’d most likely go along with it.
Not trying to say he’s like ahajsn a slut or anything. He’s just a chill guy 😔
But, if I were to actually justify this belief, I think Chuuya is a very very flexible individual. So much of his existence is based on catering to others, so of course he is. I also don’t believe he’s very picky when it comes to these kinds of things. He doesn’t exactly have a type when it comes to looks, and he doesn’t view sexual relationships as something that needs to have personality compatibility, so as long as someone isn’t plain icky, he’d probably accept sleeping with them.
Plus, if the other person initiates it, that’s always an ego boost, you know? And even if they don’t, I do think this man KNOWS how to flirt + he’s hot 😔
I couldn’t tell you how he picks the people he goes for, honestly. Probably just vibes. He’s not like Dazai to psychoanalyze every detail about each person down to the micro-habits or whatever. Probably due to him being neurotypical. And regardless, he can mold himself to most types of people and their personalities/wants/needs. The only thing I don’t think he’d be able to do is act submissive, honestly. That one’s just not in his nature 😔
But I don’t think he’d try actual relationships with anyone. Honestly he didn’t even try with Dazai either, it just kind of happened. I believe he understands the risks dating someone brings to someone with his… occupation. And dating someone from the business would be suuuper awkward + he can’t really deny the power dynamic, considering he ranks above most people in the Mafia, and since Dazai’s departure there aren’t any executives for him to date.
I just don’t think he finds appeal in workplace relationships. Dazai is an exception because their relationship was never just strictly workplace, and technically they met before either of them were even working there.
Still believe his and Dazai’s relationship would be exclusive, though. Not because it is anything official or discussed or acknowledged, but simply because Chuuya understands the way Dazai is. Not only does he know that Dazai would never be capable of sleeping with anyone else, but he also knows that Dazai possessive. And, strangely, I do think Chuuya… respects that, in a way? Like he respects Dazai and their bond too much to go around sleeping with other people when he knows Dazai would be opposed to it, even if he never voices it. I actually have a fic idea in the works that tackles this but… I never know when any of my ideas are actually gonna end up getting written 😭
As for when they start being sexual with one another, I don’t have a concrete time. I like not having specific head-canons for these kind of things so I have more freedom with my fics, and also because I’m so full of ideas I could NEVER settle with a single time or place or way that could start and be happy with it. There are always variations.
Though as a time-frame, it’s almost always between 16 and 18, mostly leaning on early 17/late 16—after Stormbringer, in any case. If needed for a particular plot line, or character beat, or whatever regarding the form of the text, I’m also willing to do 22+. I don’t think I’d ever go 16-, though.
Shjensjs I feel like this could’ve fit better somewhere in my gigantic misogyny rant, but I saved it for the end specifically because it was mentioned here. I have… takes on that. Dazai’s whole “suicide with a beautiful woman” spiel, i mean.
I’ve said some of my opinions on Dazai’s suicidality as a whole in the previous analysis, and I do stand by that. I find the fact that he moreso enjoys the attempts and the romanticized idea of death than actual death relevant here. Doing it with someone, specifically a woman, adds to the romanization.
I’ve seem people say before that this is moreso about Dazai being lonely and not wanting to die alone, which I do agree with but in a bit of an unconventional way. His loneliness cannot be filled, and he is aware of this. He knows dying by someone’s side won’t make him feel less alone, but he likes the idea of feeling so, or at the very least the idea of other people not perceiving him as lonely.
Don’t think I’ve mentioned this before, but I do think Dazai, much like any man ever, feels the societal pressure to be attracted to women. It’s the “default”. Due to me viewing him as autistic, I believe he’d psychoanalyze the shit out of societal norms and bend himself to meet them so he stops feeling so alienated from his peers (it doesn’t work ofc). Which is another reason for him to dislike women, really—him being attracted to them is a societal expectation that he is not capable of meeting, and so he pretends he does. I meannn… He never really showed interest towards women until he left the Mafia, right? Until he was out in the “normal” world, per se? No longer in the underground where being gay was probably, at the very least, acceptable as a vice?
The ideal of this ‘romantic suicide’ isn’t about the woman (but it has to be a woman, otherwise it wouldn’t be perceived as romantic. Gay people aren’t exactly recognized by society + once again that thing about Dazai subconsciously respecting men too much + him not wanting to be seen as gay), or about dying by the side of someone he loves (even more so, one of Dazai’s ways of showing affection is precisely being AGAINST a person dying. This isn’t about a genuinely romantic suicide, it’s about a romanticized suicide. About it being perceived as romantic by outsiders), as dictated by the fact that he is particularly looking for a woman he is not acquainted with in any way. It’s literally his leading offer with any new woman he talks to. Motherfucker STARTS conversations with this 😭😭
Plus, this ideal reinforces his objectification of women and his use of them for his entertainment. Through wishing for a double suicide with a woman, he is basically saying his death should also, ideally, mean the death of a woman. He is saying women interest him most when they’re willing to kill themselves (or when he can mess with them, in a broader sense). He is, again, viewing the value and existence of a woman in relation to himself and what they can provide him. He is carelessly including a, hypothetical, sure, but potentially real woman’s life in his fantasy of death; he seems to be okay with sacrificing the life of any random and probably mentally unwell woman in order to fulfill a goal of his.
This is why it makes me so mad when people in fics make him offer double suicide to someone he’s genuinely interested in 😭 Namely Chuuya, obviously, but shhh.
Dazai doesn’t think dying by someone’s side is genuinely romantic, just superficial romantic. He romanticizes his own death (and doesn’t care for the woman he’d do it with enough to even form opinions on hers), because he doesn’t value his own life, but he’d never do that with someone he genuinely cares for. When he cares for someone, he wants them to live so bad it’s honestly… a little endearing, sometimes. How he values life so intrinsically and subconsciously despite his upbringing, and his desensitization to death, and his belief that he is inhuman and incapable of genuine emotion.
+ It’s literally CANON that Dazai wouldn’t want to commit double suicide with Chuuya 💀 That time in SB where Mori agrees that Dazai’s wish for the perfect death would finally be fulfilled if he got killed by Guivre, but says he knows Dazai will fight anyway because if he allowed himself to be killed, nobody would be able to save Chuuya and they’ll essentially commit double suicide together?? And then Dazai says “Committing a double suicide with you would be the worst. Just this once, I’ll take this seriously”???
Like, both interpreting this as Dazai intended it to sound (double suicide with Chuuya is entirely repulsing to him because them dying side by side would ruin the romanticism), or as what he was probably actually feeling (he will not be able to enjoy his death, even if it is exactly as he’s idealized it, if he know Chuuya will also have to die due to his selfishness) lead to the same conclusion. THIS FUCKER DOESN’T WANT CHUUYA TO DIE!!! He doesn’t want his death to mean Chuuya’s death!!! Because he views Chuuya’s life as more precious than himself, and because Chuuya is dear to him and one of Dazai’s most prominent love languages is feeling responsible for the lives of those he cares for. Especially so in Chuuya’s case. Especially when Corruption is involved. I like to think this is more romantic than wishing to die with a random stranger.
MOVING ON. You have nothing to be sorry for!! These are always my favorite kind of asks to reply to. I adore talking about my opinions and writing analyses wbsksj especially if I can be sure someone’s interested in reading them!! (๑>◡<๑)
If you’re interested in more of my weird little opinions I talk about them unprompted all the time in my ao3 comment replies <3 I have a hunch you might enjoy going through the comment sections and seeing what analysis you can fish out. Or just leave more asks. That definitely works too. I love asks >:D
Have a fantastic day!! 💕💗💓💕💗
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Hey, okay so I’ve rewatched Vanderpump rules by myself a couple times but I’m rewatching it with my mom and it’s kinda cool to see someone else’s perspective watching and their opinions without knowing what’s going to happen and that’s kinda how I feel with you right now LOL like I’m checking your blog ever day for VPR updates 🤭
Anyway, I like Ariana a lot now but I didn’t like her in the beginning. I’m not going to spoil anything but I will say that I don’t think Ariana personality type was made for reality tv unlike Stassi and I think that Ariana revels a lot about herself later on that might make certain things she done more understandable if that makes sense? I relate to Ariana in terms of being more introverted however I agree with you that she kind of let Sandoval go crazy to women and scream at them and just kind of turned a blind eye which is never okay but the blame for that behaviour should be more on Sandoval. I do think Ariana grows on more people as the series continues but your opinions on her in the earlier season are so valid and honestly, even if you never like her that’s okay too she not for everyone
I also am curious about your opinions on Lala?
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I knew from the get go that Ariana’s personality just isn’t made for reality tv like she’s literally just so blah. Which is why it’s annoying that she’s on my screen five seasons in and she will continue being there. And I’m not saying it’s her fault that she doesn’t contain her misogynistic boyfriend’s behaviour, my point is that she turned a blind eye to it which says A LOT about her. So i just don’t find it in me to sympathise with her. She just wants to be seen as the “cool, chill girlfriend” so she’s 1000% given him a pass for cheating with Miami Girl. So then why am I supposed to suddenly feel sorry for her when he cheats on her in the future with Raquel? Like I couldn’t give a single fuck lol.
Girls like Scheana and Ariana can never be trusted. Honestly I’d trust Lala over them two. So far, I think Lala really really admires Stassi and wants to be like her, but she just isn’t as clever or sharp. I think Lala in season 5 just wants to fit in and she lashes out and gets mean when she doesn’t fit in. As for the other two, I’ve seen girls like Scheana and Ariana in real life.
Scheana has such a deep rooted insecurity that she wants to be liked by everyone, so she does all that neutral bullshit. But you can tell she wants you to be best friends with the trio of Stassi, Katie and Kristen — she just doesn’t want the heat that comes with it. So she’d rather throw those three under the bus and watch them get crucified by everyone, and claim she’s neutral and “scared of them.” Which is such bullshit. Like in private she bitches with the trio about Lala and agrees with what they say, but when it’s time to answer to it, she lets the trio burn in flames all like “omg I was forced to agree with you” like shut the fuck up Scheana. And to think I felt sorry for her in the beginning of season 5, bc I genuinely thought the trio was being mean to her. But the trio are such fierce girl’s girls and it’s so clear the way Bravo edits stuff to make them out to be villains, you can’t even trust it. You could tell Scheana was getting the heroic edit and she just doesn’t deserve it. She’s fake and cannot hold down deep friendships with anyone, it’s all surface level friendships. And this stems from her own insecurity.
As for Ariana, I know her type too. She’s the type who thinks she’s better than all the other girls, and looks down on them for being “bitchy” and “emotional” but like… what she doesn’t realise is that when the going gets tough… all these men she claims are her besties will not be there for her. But the girls will. Instead of understanding the girls and not villainising them, Ariana very rudely just thinks she’s above them. And for someone who calls herself such a huge feminist, it’s sad to see her not only hating on strong, opinionated women on the show, but also turning a blind eye to her own misogynistic, sexist, woman-hating boyfriend. Who ends up cheating on her anyways about five years into the future lol. Ariana is a woman if she was written by a man — aka a woman who acts all “chill” and doesn’t call men out on their bullshit, isn’t “overly emotional” and always sides with the men’s opinions. That’s why she’s palatable to men and they want her around them. The loser men on this show just don’t want to be called out on their bullshit, which is why they gas up Ariana so much and try to discredit the trio so much.
And speaking of Sandoval, I hate him so much. He always sticks his nose where it doesn’t belong. I used to find him so cute in the early seasons but now it’s just painful and irritating to watch him go after Katie/Stassi/Kristen every single reunion. He has some deep-seated hatred for women that needs to be studied. Like genuinely he needs to be studied. He rides so hard for his boy Schwartz that all logic and reasoning goes out the window for him. I genuinely feel like he has some sort of feelings for Schwartz that he needs to navigate through. Also every time Sandoval cries it looks so fucking fake. Like I hate this man. I despise this man and nothing he could do is genuine. I feel like Ariana would blossom without him.
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allie hi omg i’m so late but i finally played the update and I LOVED IT SO MUCH like idek where to start because i played all the routes and they’re all so good. plus the 18+ scenes got me slutting out for real 😭😭
okok listen the added details in qiu’s first flashback literally drove me crazy like “you’re a hard person to catch alone” QIU PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP IM IN LOVE WITH YOU 😭😭😭 and the new flashback!!!!!! like not to make it about me but it reminded me sm of the bday drabble you wrote me last year and let me tell you. a bitch (me) was giggling <3333 the bit where qiu wiped a bit of cheesecake off mc’s lips and mc teased them about making a move to kiss them was so fucking cute :((( and even taking them fishing and the dinner ugh just ALL OF IT!!! they really pulled all the romantic shit and even cut classes for mc and still couldn’t commit to a relationship smh
also nat…… when i say that steamy scene blindsided me and the way they did what they did underwater… i lost my damn mind over that flashback 😮💨😮💨 but omg that phone call idk what i was expecting but it wasn’t a breakup conversation. when nat said “i need someone who’s here” and “i don’t want scraps when i’ve had all of you” ……. yeah i’m fine 🥲 when mc was like “i wish nat would say smth hurtful so i could hate them” i was like yeah same because nat is so nice and supportive and so spouse material it’s literally impossible not to fall in love with them
but also shay…. god their scenes were fucking insane i was BLUSHING 😭😭😭 there was just no way for me to play different variations of their scenes and stay normal like the little motorcycle bit if you skip the show and they pick you up at dinner was so cute but also the way they make eye contact with you the whole time at their gig…. “tell me why you’re leaving and why it is that we’re kissing on borrowed time” yeah i’m mentally ill. and when they kiss your forehead and your closed eyelids and was like “stop being cute all the time” and the scene in their apartment…. yeah shay’s fucking insane but also very hot but also the biggest sweetheart. i will never be normal after all that
this is so rambly now but i really genuinely enjoyed the demo. i keep saying it but the characters are all lovable even mc’s chaotic and prying relatives which make merry crisis all the more relatable and realistic. i hold this if so close to my heart thank you for writing it 🩷
AHHH!!!! Nikka you have no idea how excited I was to see this in my inbox, and the smile on my face just kept growing and growing as I read this message. It's been a while! I hope 2023 has been kind to you!
I loved writing that update, and I hold Merry Crisis very dear to my heart as well—so it always just hits me in the feels when people like it too/relate to it, ya know!
The Qiu flashback was 1000% inspired by the drabble I wrote for you last year, and I'm so glad I got to use it and expand on it in the game!! I am soooo happy that you liked the scenes, especially because I consider you a Qiu-authority at this point! And on Qiu doing literally everything except commit to a relationship.... yes. Exactly. I think this is what MC also cannot. believe.
Ahh omg. Heh. The Nat spicy scene at the beach was definitely... quite something to write. I wanted the call to really hit hard, but also offer some opportunity for redemption/hope (I wonder if you managed to get the scenes where MC does get a 'maybe' from Nat!)
Yeah, this last update was definitely one for the Shay fans—I packed in as much as I could in there, and writing the music/performance scene was fun, but so were the... bedroom / pillow talk scenes... especially for same-sex Shay!
Anyway, this message made me so so happy, so thank you so much for sending it. (It also makes me happy to know that the side characters / MC's family are also welcome and not simply an annoyance.)
Sending you a million hugs and all of my love!!
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Do you have any Hera meta you would like to expand on , maybe in relation to what a relationship with Apollo would look like
anon… do u share my brand of insanity or are u just indulging me.
as far as Hera meta goes, my main point is that she’s not a villain in the true sense of the word: i think she’s tolerant of humans and the consideration she generally has for demigods is the consideration she’d have for ants. and honestly, she’s truly one of the few gods who’s entitled to feel that way, considering that she’s not responsible for siring them and would rather the others didn’t. obviously she has exceptions (demigods/humans she really likes and demigods/humans she really hates) and she’s wrong for taking revenge on Zeus’ mistresses but overall she’s just not that bad. ya feel me?
she’s also shown to feel genuine love for Jason which brings the count of people who have actually felt genuine love for Jason in canon up to three lmao (Piper-Leo-Hera). Nico exists in a grey area and you got to have some respect for that.
so anyways, she was actually pretty smart to swap Percy and Jason and she managed to keep it under the rug for longer than what would be expected. obviously it was wrong of her to use them as puppets for her strings but she’s not nearly alone in that. Apollo confirms in ToA that it is simply the way gods treat demigods. In my view, she sucks but she doesn’t Especially Sucks.
i also have endless sympathy for Hera having to tolerate her husband’s infidelity and (so clearly implied they might as well say it) abuse. she’s just. an unhappy woman, dare i say the unhappiest olympian god, and i think she has been so for so long that she has forgotten what anything else feels like. does she have friends? she certainly doesn’t have lovers, and while that may have initially been a commitment of love, it must have gotten pretty lonely over the years. she’s portrayed as icy and dignified and distant, the godliest of the gods, the one who most clearly represents the divide between mortals and immortals, and i ask myself how much of that is her real personality, and how much is the result of bitterness and isolation.
imagine: Hera regretting the fact that she’s made so many enemies once, when she felt untouchable and at her peak, because she’s just alone now, but what’s done is done so what can she do?
Hera never quite fitting in with other deities and really, who can blame them.
Hera having spent such a long time not even considering the idea of romantic love for herself and being so stunted that when she starts falling for Apollo, she doesn’t even notice. she simply cannot believe it. doesn’t even dare to think it.
she feels that feeling. the one where you a crush on someone after a really long time and you are all giddy and excited, not because you think it may be reciprocated, but because it’s new and thrilling to desire someone. she’s a high school girl wanting to be asked to prom.
now, let’s suppose it all happens because her and Apollo start sleeping together to spite Zeus as per my headcanon, and she inexplicably begins to want him for more than just revenge: she would would be so angry because she cares more, she’s far more into it, she’s utterly taken by him. at the end of the day, what they do is nothing particularly new for him (except for the “if he catches us i’m dead” part ig lmao) but it’s all brand new never heard before for her!! and her pride would be hurt!! but what are you gonna do about it!!
and now let’s suppose that at one point he starts caring back, and he treats her well and she hasn’t been treated well in centuries. so she gets carefree, and she gets reckless and she catches herself fixing her hair before the Olympian Council so that he sees her at her best!! imagine how humiliating that is for her!! she’s the Queen of Olympus she’s the Queen of the gods she’s the Ruler of the world and he’s literally just a guy!! she should hit him with her car!!
instead, she finds herself in his car, having been convinced to take a ride with the sun chariot for the first time ever while he’s babbling about… she doesn’t even know, talking horses trying to kill him? because that’s something that happened? apparently? and he has his stupid shades on and she feels like a high school girl actually getting asked to prom.
and for the unhappiest goddess of the Council, that’s a really magnificent feeling.
#herapollo tag#as always i apologize to normal people that will see this#ask#there is a gideon the ninth reference in this answer
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Ok so a lot of your responses seem to just skip over the actual points of a post. Either you just don’t understand what you’re talking about or you’re playing dumb on purpose. If I’m responding to proshippers saying that ‘fiction doesn’t effect reality’ with evidence that it DOES, then you can’t ‘disagree’ by saying ‘oh well it doesn’t effect it 1:1’ cause that wasn’t what was being said. The point is that decades of fiction being used to oppressed and belittle people and it WORKING because it upholds stereotypes, is proof enough that fiction does effect reality, no matter what scale it is, it just DOES and claiming that it doesn’t at all is wrong. Lurker blogs smd u say u ‘don’t agree but don’t wanna write a whole response rn’ is just a lazy way of saying u feel attacked cuz ur not a real minority for liking fictional abuse porn
First of all a lot of this is projection and stereotyping (ESPECIALLY the last sentence), and a clear indication that you did not look once at my blog (which is odd because you would have had to do so in order to send this ask). This shows me that not only are you a hypocrite (since the post you're referring to was literally about how stereotypes are harmful), but that you’re not sending this ask in good faith. This would normally be where I stop, but I'm going to humour you instead.
Secondly, you seem to be misinterpreting what I meant by "I disagree". I never said that what you said about fiction being used to discriminate against people is wrong, but I didn't like your approach of the topic.
But hey, since you asked soooooo nicely (/s), here's a full response I typed up at school today:
I cannot deny the harm that stereotypes in fiction can cause. However, I see them as less of an example of fiction affecting reality, and more of an example of reality affecting fiction (people seem to forget about that during debates like these). Some people are misogynists who believe specific values about women, and they reflect that in the content they make. Women, and other people affected by misogyny, see it and are disappointed (unless they aren’t, I talk about this later). Misogynists see it and revel in their misogyny. And other people? Well, it depends. If that is the only content they are exposed to, and they are encouraged to see it as only the truth, it is effectively propaganda.
However, we forget two important things. First of all, we live in a world where media stereotypes are actively being discussed about. Often when I engage in discussions about the stuff I like, I will inevitably end up talking about deeper themes like racism or homophobia. Unless one lives in an extremely abusive household, doesn’t use the internet, or is genuinely a bigot (which are all factors not affected by fiction), I would find it hard to believe that the average person can engage online with people about a misogynistic piece of media and not realise it’s misogynistic. And awareness is important, because when people realise that what they’re being given is not real, it WILL have less of an effect. That’s why propaganda is more effective when it is a person’s only source of information, and why it becomes less effective when the person is surrounded by people with diverse opinions.
Secondly, we are still talking about fictional characters. It’s great to have serious discussions about fictional characters in relation to real topics, but these are not real people. As such, people do have the right to treat them however they want. I may not agree that certain things are okay or should be done, but ultimately there is nothing I can do. For similar reasons, it would be absurd to say that someone who likes a character who is a misogynist (or a misogynistic portrayal of sth) is a misogynist themselves. There are many reasons why someone would like a character or show despite it being misogynistic (nostalgia, liking other character traits, etc). Heck, there are even people who like the show BECAUSE it’s misogynistic, and that’s not necessarily a bad thing (though now we start to tread murky waters)
There are a couple of reasons why people would like problematic content. They may relate to the problematic themes in question. For example, in context, someone could be suffering from internalised misogyny, or be an ex-misogynist themselves, and relates to the characters for that reason. Some (like me) could just be interested in problematic themes (not in a sexual way, before you start hurling accusations at me). Personally, I find writing problematic themes interesting because they force me to have to think from the perspective of someone I don’t agree with or see myself as in any way (or occasionally, it’s a way of addressing certain traumas) and I find that psychologically interesting.
As for the people who just get off to stuff like that? Well, even that can have nuance to it. Some just have paraphilias, some do so to cope with trauma, some do so to enact fantasies that they can’t irl, and some…..are just really weird no offence. You can never really know, so I don’t judge, but it’s not something I’m fond of, and I do think doing it for extended periods of time CAN be harmful (keyword: can, it’s not guaranteed). However, I’m not a therapist, I can’t and won’t tell people what they can and can’t do. But personally I would just block these people if they make me feel uncomfy.
You can feel free to disagree with anything I’ve said (my word is not gospel after all). In fact, I encourage you to disagree and tell me why, because I want us to have civilised discussions. But do not put your half-baked assumptions in my mouth. I’m a person, not a caricature.
(Though, your original post was specifically talking about content which "glorifies harmful content". In my experience, "glorifies harmful content" could mean fuck all depending on whom I'm talking to so I'm mostly just talking about such topics in general, not the stuff that is explicitly just porn, which I have a more negative opinion about)
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hello…… 😋
i’ve decided to somewhat reveal myself to you bc i fear (for you) that i will be writing a load more reactions (essays) about lotc ao i just wanted to let u know that it’s me 😋
i’m the anon who literally just wrote you that massive essay screaming crying throwing up about y/n being a BITCH and needing to stand tf up🗣️‼️, abt how the ningstinct✨ is the only thing i trust in this series, and who does NAWT 🙅♀️ trust jaemin whatsover atp. longstory short the one who signed that essay off as 😋🫶
and to add i was also the anon who sent in the ask on sep 7th actually like screaming asking will either jaemin or jeongseong open the door first whilst also asking if coach brought anyone back to his apartment 😭 (i am a fiend for the coach gossip like i was almost jumping for joy when i read that there will be some more coach goss coming soon 😍🙏)
and finally i was also the mysterious anon on sep 11th who was veryyy suspicious of whatever jaemin was (or still is 👀👀👀) scheming, who’s been TRUSTING 🤩 the 🤩ningstinct🤩 since day 1‼️ and abt ripping my hair out because i genuinely love this series sm and to keep it real w u i still actually am ripping my hair out one by one because the WAY you write has me like G R I P P E D like when i see that you’ve uploaded a new chapter you can trust that i am SAT ok like i am sat reading it and ripping my hair out because you are SUCH an amazing writer like i genuinely cannot put it into words how INCREDIBLE of a writer you are like ugh so so so good honestly if could give you an award i would but for now all i can offer is this 🥇🎖️🏅 but no seriously i am genuinely in love with lotc you’re doing a delectable job with it 🫶
ok i did not intend for this message to also become an essay but you’re writing is so good i just need you to feel the PASSION in these words like i need you to know that 😩 YOURE WRITING IS SO GOOD ‼️🗣️ ok but anyways in future messages i will just sign off as some variation of 😋🫶🗣️‼️🫦 these emojis because idk i cant help myself from using them i dont care if they’re cringe i’m a free woman and i will use my freedom of emojis as i will ok so bye 😋🫦🫶
ANON MY LOVE YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH I LOVE THESE ESSAY ASKS ‼️‼️🙏
the way I just scrolled back through to read every one of your asks and now I'm like huh I should've realised they sounded similar KEJWKSK
oooh I see is jaemin still scheming good question good question... answers are otw soon! also yes forever trust the ningstinct 🤞🤞🤞sign knows what up ‼️‼️
PLEASE LETS NOT BALD PREMATURELY MY LOVE LETS KEWP THE HAIR IN 🙏🙏 DO NOT LOSE THE LUSCIOUS LOCKS ❌️❌️❌️
ALSO THE MEDALS???? ANON DO YOU KNOW THAT THERE ARE TEARS IN MY EYES DO YOU KNOW THAT MY HEART IS WEAK I WILL GIVE YOU A KISS RN YOU ARE SO SO SO CUTE THE SWEETEST EVER I LOVE YOU THANK YOU SO MUCH IM CRGINGDJ, looking forward to seeing you in my inbox my love 🫶
also the variation of inebitable use emojis is so funny but so relatable like fr 😭 anon your asks make me giggle 😭😭
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That’s not true? At all? That’s highly dependent on the teacher of course, and some ABSOLUTELY do this and I can only imagine it’s gotten worse, but as a professor that’s not at all why I assigned essays?
There were two main reasons why I would assign essays in class:
1) I teach in an artistic field where the material is not objective. I was genuinely interested in fielding their thoughts on the subject matter and encouraging them to form their own opinions. It was also to make sure they had actually looked at the material or engaged with it at all. (“While working on my monologue I discovered this and this and this.”). A lot of them were reflective or asking them to form their own opinions and relationships to what was being asked of them.
2) Related to #1, but taken further. Analysis & Interpretation. This is like reflection but it’s asking you to form your own opinions and then back them up. One class I taught was centered around learning to analyze and engage with art, even art you don’t understand or like at first, which is a really important skill to develop and can only be taught by doing. I literally cannot have them practice that skill in any way that is not having them write it down and hand it in to me, because asking them to analyze and interpret on the spot is not only not fair but not giving them the chance to go through all the steps and tools I provided them with to practice this skill. In class we went over things like how to look at color, shape, size, texture etc, they learned all these terms and skills and practiced how to put them together to get at why a certain piece of art made them think or feel a certain way. That’s not something you can just.. do?
Professors, good professors anyway, assign you essays because they want you to learn something. They want you to engage with critical thinking on the subject, and that extends to fields that are not as subjective as mine! Historians are constantly interpreting, analyzing, and speculating, scientists need to analyze and synthesize information to be able to form a hypothesis, take their research and build on it. You can’t do these things without writing them down- at least not in any meaningful way that will allow other people to use them, which is how knowledge in science and other fields is created. Creating knowledge and writing it down and having discussions with each other with analyzed opinions is literally why technology and our society progresses at all. And to do it well, you need to practice it as a skill.
I’m not saying the problem you’re talking about doesn’t exist. It does. Very much so and I’m sure it’s only gotten worse as both teachers and students get more and more jaded and burnt out. But essays aren’t just arbitrarily assigned to give you something to do, or “sort students into categories.” Good professors give feedback to tell their students why they didn’t get full marks and what they can do to improve. These are based on the skills demonstrated behind the words, not the words themselves.
What I’m saying and what I think is damaging about AI is that it’s not encouraging students to engage with the skills of analyzing and explaining themselves that are going to help make them successful in their careers. Someone who can communicate and back up their points well, even if it’s not the most eloquent thing you’ve ever heard, is going to be more respected in their career than people who can’t. And the good news about this is that it IS absolutely a skill that can be taught to ANYONE at any skill level or experience, but you as the student are actually the only person who can teach it to yourself by doing it. Professors can give you tips and pointers and strategies, but unless you actually work on being able to work through facts, data, and opinions, you are not going to develop this skill. That’s what students are robbing themselves of when they use AI. I don’t get mad at them because they’re “gaming the system” or something. I get really sad, because they are robbing themselves of the opportunity to challenge themselves and grow. Which is how you get the most of the hundreds of thousands of dollars we are forced to throw into school. Going into that much debt to cultivate absolutely no skills is a complete waste and a disservice to no one but yourself. Essays are practice.
I get that students have an incredibly burdensome workload. I don’t blame you if you choose to use AI because you are just too burnt out and swamped, especially if it’s one of those classes not as relevant to your major as others, and if your professor is particularly shit. But I am on my hands and knees begging you to at least consider what you are robbing yourself of every time you use AI, and to use it responsibly. At least actively pick when you’re doing it, and ask yourself if you can afford to skip out on this round of practice or maybe you need to work on that skill to understand the material more, or get better at explaining yourself.
Also if it was just about eloquence.. AI would not help you? AI has the most dogshit basic way of describing and explaining stuff I have ever seen. If it was purely eloquence AI essays would be getting C’s and D’s nonstop. Which is again gonna be a huge disservice to you and the GPA you so desperately need to maintain.
I’m not saying there isn’t a problem. There is. But if you never engage with material in your field, and I’d say even materials that arent in your field, because it’s good to understand things outside of your immediate sphere, the only one you’re hurting is yourself.
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#i also did take into account the language and experience level of my students#and factored that into the grade#if i could tell a foreign student understood the material and was analyzing even if it wasnt perfect#yay! They improved#if a student just is bad at explaining things#i give them tips and look for their own personal growth#i get lots of people dont care enough to do this though
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