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TMA S3 FINALE (and me screaming)
I donāt know where to start. Maybe the fact that everyone I like in this podcast always dies? Yeah Iāll start there. What the fuck guys. What. Like. What?????
Iām not going into my usual format but holy shit. MAG 119 was like motion sickness but for my ears. The music. I hated it so much. That organ. Tim. Tim. I knew he raised too many death flags, Jesus. Like Iām happy and all for him but GOD NO. AND DAISY??? Though when she started attacking the shit out of Breekon and Hope, I did internally cheer her on. The fact they tried to act as Basira made me wanna scream. Now that I think about it, was Daisy being influenced by one of the entities?? Like The Slaughter?
Basira is so much stronger than me. Like genuinely, I think she got bumped up a couple places just by her sheer logic during 119 and I am so impressed š so much so, Iām wondering if she had like any internal help, yāknow??
Orsinov is like one of the most horrifying sounding characters here. The moment she put on Gertrudeās and Leitners voice, I shrieked. Something about the sing-song voice, the way she inflects certain words makes my head spin. Like Michael.
Little backtracking, Martins situation with his mom is like devastating. And the moment Elias started speaking, I knew he was gonna pull out some traumatizing shitty news to give Martin, I hate him.
Fast forwarding: Jonās dreams
Okay. So. Jon I guess is in some sort of coma and man are his dreams fucked up.
All the people that appeared in there were the people who gave physical statements. Not super hard to figure out but we had Dr Lionel Elliott, Tessa Winters, then Daisy but obviously sheās not there (DAISY š), Karolina GĆ³rka, Jordan Kennedy, I think the melted woman refers to Jude Perry, the hunters (Julia and Trevor), Naomi Herne and then the pitying figure. The only woman I would think would fit this vague description is Sasha because of course itās vague, he doesnāt remember her and Iām going to sob.
Bit scared on what Jon is turning into. Whatever it is, itās not anything good. Heās watching a lot and I guess heās watching other peopleās dreams- or nightmares- and justā¦.watching??? Iād be terrified.
Elias got arrested. Love it. Though, āBe seeing youā I HATE YOU. š«µš»
Would be happy but god damn PETER LUKAS has replaced him and I donāt know if thatās worse or better because we at least know Eliasās actions and his limits. We donāt know much on Peter and I donāt like him at all. At least heās giving them paid leave. And a counselor. I personally need a counselor for this WHOLE SEASON.
When people told me āgood luckā when I started getting into TMA, I laughed it off. I shouldāve taken it more seriously because I have never felt more distinct and unpredictable emotions than listening to this podcast. I think thatās all my thoughts. Mostly Iām just uhh dying here. I hate everyone and this podcast and Iāll be listening to the beginning of Season 4 tomorrow!
Again, thank you to everyone who has been following my mini rants and crappy theories. Remember when I thought Gertrude was living in the tunnels??? But seriously, thanks to anyone who has been like fully reading through my posts. School has been wack and the people, and just the podcast as a whole has been making my time less stressful š anyways thatās too emotionally vulnerable so thank you!!!
#the magnus archives#tma#tma podcast#tma s3#the magnus archives season 3#MAG 117#mag 118#mag 119#mag 120#zabala0z thoughts#this podcast is all I think about and I hate it for that#how dare they make such a podcast that just hits me in my soul#Martins sobs will forever make me want to wring Eliasās neck just as much as Melanieās sobs do#HA PRISON ARC#THAT BRITISH BITCH ā¼ļøā¼ļø
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It is so, so important to me that people understand that Tim didn't figure out the bats because Dick was a "Show off". Like yes, Dick Grayson is the most flamboyant, dramatic ass man you will ever meet.
But the quadruple somersault? There's no way that was because dick was just showing off. Because you're telling me Bruce Wayne, who's so committed to hiding his identity that he literally acts like a completely different person out of the mask in public just to ward suspicion, would miss the fact that Robin regularly uses the flying Grayson's trademark move? There's literally no way.
In the comics we see Tim explain his deductive process to Dick and Alfred and they're both surprised impressed whatever. We don't see him explain it to Bruce. I think Bruce would be surprised and shocked that a 9 year old was able to put the pieces together but I don't think he'd be surprised that the quadruple somersault gave it away.
So if Bruce was possibly aware of such an obvious give away, why let it continue?
I'll tell you why.
It really comes down to the physics
So Dick was 9 when he started out right? That means the most he'd have likely weighed was 43kgs or roughly 95lbs in freedom units.
But Dick and both of his parents are gymnasts who tend to be smaller. So he was likely less than that.
In physics, rotating objects build up angular momentum (this is how bikes stay up right for example). The more rotation, the more momentum. And objects with less mass build up that momentum much faster than those that are heavier.
Robin constantly has to fight people who are nearly 3 times his size. I teach 8 year olds, they're tiny. A quadruple somersault for a small boy that weighs less than a hundred pounds is a brutal weapon. Especially if you add in the acceleration from gravity as he drops in from above.
And I can guarantee you this logic tracks because Dick literally utilizes this idea, without the somersault, in the 2009 teen titans cartoon.
Yeah, that's right. We're talking about the infamous knee drop.
Like it is borderline savage. Add in a quadruple somersault and the resulting force is nearly fatal. It's likely the main reason Batman would ever allow him to do it with the cape on.
Also, Dick landing feet first on the penguin in the first image probably gave the guy severe back issues
#I'm so tired of people giving Dick shit for being a show off#like he is for sure#but thats not what gave him away#it's strategic and practical#he's using the skills he already had in his repertoire to his advantage#also unrelated but#when Tim shows up to convince dick to be robin again#and has to explain how he figured it out#it was just after the arc where dick and bruce had to deal with tony zucco getting out of prison and nearly starting a gang war#pretty sure zucco dies sometime during it#but it brings up a lot of feelings for dick#which is the entire reason Tim finds him at Haley's circus in new york#then Tim immediately reminds him about his parents death again#and technically jasons too because thats his entire purpose for being there#point is#dick was going THROUGH it when Tim shows up#idk thought it bore mentioning#lena speaks#batman#tim drake#dc comics#robin#batman and robin#dick grayson#bruce wayne#nightwing#dc robin#dc analysis#a lonely place of dying#physics
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So, in PIDW, there was obviously wife plots that could bring back the dead (mushroom body being one of them), and since we know Airplane is a hack that reuses concepts over and over, thereās probably multiple wife plots that could work, so like, whereās the PIDW fics where Liu Qingge somehow comes back to life, memories of Shen Jiu trying to save him intact, and goes to hunt the asshole down so he can repay his life debt, and along the way accidentally clears Shen Jiuās name of all his crimes and now everyone is convinced Shen Qingqiu is a saint.
#Iām imagining this being around the time of the trial arc where lbh has sqq in the water prison and has probably already started his torture#maybe sqq is physically crippled after this or maybe lqg goes on a quest to get him a mushroom body either way itāll be so much angst!!#sqq deserves to not be tortured okay?? because while child abuse isnāt okay neither is the cycle of abuse and also? Iām pretty sure other#peak lords treated their disciples worse youāre telling me lqg who apparently beat his disciples ritually every month or so was better??#ALSO? airplane is a confirmed hack and I donāt belive him when heās the one telling use sqq is evil (he wrote the og book after all)#mxtx hell#mxtx fandom#liushen#liujiu#liu qingge#svsss shen jiu#original shen qingqiu#shen qingqiu#shen jiu#svsss shen qingqiu#svsss fandom#svsss#mxtx svsss#svsss au#sqq svsss#svsss fanfiction#svsss fic#svsss liu qingge#scumbag system#scum villain self saving system#danmei#pidw#proud immortal demon way#airplane shooting towards the sky
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Alicent goes to Rhaenyra to avoid shedding any blood, and the Rhaenyra she knew, the one she saw in the sept in 2x03 would have acceded to that. This new Rhaenyra, having amassed great power and now relishing in her newfound strength, does not cower at the thought of spilling Aegon's blood. It is Rhaenyra who believes she can have "all she wants" now that she imagines herself indestructible. Having lost all faith in the green cause, the Seven, and her expectations as Queen, Alicent becomes disillusioned with Rhaenyra herself. Rhaenyra can no longer talk of peace. Alicent's quest to find it as she preserves her and her children's lives fails. She's once again left alone to tread this difficult path of reconciling her duty to herself, her family, and the realm.
"A true Queen counts the cost to her people."
Alicent still is that true Queen, The Queen Who Ever Was, and she offers Rhaenyra the only way out, with the least possible casualties. But even in service to herself and her freedom, Alicent again shows altruism and is called to pay the highest price possible. She's destined to never be completely free and at peace, her inner torment always eating her soul as she drifts further away from the unattainable dream.
#oh how i love that the shot of alicent ends the season!#that being said I can't wait for her arc in s3#especially if she's taken prisoner after the fall of kl#i can imagine rhaenyra being bitter about 'being lied to' regarding aegon's fate#because she won't find him to kill him and she'd think that alicent has helped him escape#rhaenicent#rhaenyra x alicent#alicent x rhaenyra#rhaenyra targaryen#alicent hightower#hotd s2#hotd season 2#house of the dragon#hotd#house of the dragon season 2#the greens#team green#greenqueenhightower#hotd s2 e8#hotd s2 ep8#the queen who ever was#pro alicent hightower#hotd thoughts#hotd meta#s2 alicent moments
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Ok, I recently wrote an essay [here] talking about the definition and duties of civil engineering as well as the ethics because of the brain rot @swordfright gave me with calling Dream Samās ultimate engineering project. So, because I actually am a civil engineer I took it upon myself to design the title and summary of quantities sheets just like I do at work for roads but with Dream as the project instead. And in honor of angst day sponsored by @sixteenth-day-event, I figured Iād share it because I feel like it kinda works for the prison of the mind prompt.
āSamās āultimate engineering projectā he deemed too damaged like a bumpy road or crumbling building that wasnāt worthy of patching and filling in the cracks or reinforcing, thatās too eroded to be fixed and preserved. So, Sam strived to tear him down to the bedrock so he could remake, remold, and reengineer Dream according to his design for the common safety, public health and well-fair.ā
{These are very similar to the actual sheets I make day to day, which I shall not share for the sake of doxing my location, but yea pretty much everything has a significance. Some of it doesnāt necessarily make sense but that was because I was more so taking inventory of what we see in lore (so you know I counted ;) lol)}
#sixteenthdayevent#AAANNNNNGGST#Ah and now you see why Iāve been digging up all the prison lore and inventories ;Dā¦. my brain rot is too powerful#still never got wardens torment enchants though :( did for the shovel and how which Iāll now have to write torture scenes forā¦#so ummm stay tuned for that in Misery Loves An Idiotā¦ Dream going to have lots of fun Iām sure >:)#c!dream#dsmp#dreblr#dream smp#dsmp dream#dsmp analysis#dsmpblr#prison arc#dsmp art#pandoraās vault has a singular purpose#flora favs#pandoraās vault#c!dream fanart#flora does art apparently#ah Samā¦ such a good engineerā¦ if only he realized Dream was a person not a condemned structure oof#if yāall are curious enough I might share a irl work example with different numbers and stuff but didnāt want to bore you XD#happy angst day :)ā¦ wait isnāt that everyday? lol#can we talk about how Iāve done all of these prompts as descriptions of metaphors and stuff kinda funny#civil engineering
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Arcane Season 2 - The Base Violence Necessary for Change
I think this shot is the most interesting part of the trailer. We see a shot of Jinx as a painting on a wall. A symbol. A leader. Her actions stand for revolution in Zaun and I think this could be an interesting expansion of Arcaneās exploration of violence and the idea that there is a base violence necessary for change.
Silco is framed as an antagonist in season 1 because of his actions against the undercity people specifically.
In act 3 heās not the revolutionary he positioned himself as and is instead hurting the people of Zaun through his leadership. Heās doing as much to hurt topside as Vander was in act 1 (meaning nothing at all). Heās even got the sheriff working with him just like Vander, but, unlike Vander, Silco is hurting his own people to facilitate power and heās not even fighting for that freedom he claimed to want so much.
We see the damage his actions have wrought. We see the shimmer addicts, forgotten and exploited. We see that he's created a hierarchy rather than a community.
And itās contrasted with the firelights. People considered terrorists to Piltover, who do use violence to fight back against Silco and topside, and yet offer the biggest glimmer of hope. They arenāt villainized. The act of fighting back isnāt villainized and it shouldnāt be.
Because itās not the violence in and of itself thatās the issue. Itās what that violence is used for.
The series hammers this idea home through Vander.Ā
Vanderās staunch stance against violence is flawed as well. It comes from a good place. A desire to protect what he loves rather than destroy what he hates and it did create a time free of the death revolution brings, but itās made it so no ground could be made to free Zaun and create a better world for the people in it. It created stagnation.Ā
The people of the undercity are still stuck in a cycle of crushing poverty, growing up without parents, dying young due to pollution or violence wrought by desperate people or oppressive enforcers.
It didnāt move the needle because Piltover and the system in place wasnāt going to change just because the people of the undercity were playing nice.
The unrest and anger felt towards Vander for his ideal was understandable. His views on the cyclical nature of violence and the fact that if you fight you will lose people (āWhat are you willing to loseā) is correct, but that doesnāt make this option the ideal one.
Which brings me back to that shot in the trailer of that painting of Jinx.
Season 2 looks like itās going to be a season of opposites and rediscovery where it flips what we expect of Jinx and Vi on its head and further explores these ideas of violence, oppression, and revolution.
And I think this season might possibly do that by reversing how Vi and Jinx reflect Vander and Silco.
In the first season the siblings were direct reflections of their respective father figures, but now theyāre inversions. Jinx can become the good to be found in Silcoās ideals and Vi the pitfalls of Vanderās.
Jinxās actions in season 1 werenāt those of a revolutionary. Her actions werenāt meant to free the people of the undercity or improve their lives. She didnāt steal the hexcrystal to bring hextech to the undercity and improve their lives and she didnāt kill the enforcers on the bridge to get rid of dirty cops.Ā She didnāt kidnap Caitlyn for a greater cause.
But we know that Jinx isnāt only the violence she enacted. That she is āthe monster they (the system and people around her) createdā. Her actions werenāt heroic in the first season, but they were driven by the life that was forced upon her. Her hurt and anger are justified.
Now that sheās away from Silco, no longer a part of his machine and actively participating in his actions that were hurting the undercity, her actions and anger can take on a new light. She can rediscover herself away from his manipulations (this isnāt to say he didnāt love her but what he did and said isolated her and allowed her issues to fester) and become that symbol we see on the wall.
Jinx could be in a way what Silco could have been if he didnāt let his own self interest get in the way of his ideals. Not quite as forward thinking as Ekko or as idealistic, but still a symbol for resistance that fights for Zaun.
Whereas Vi is sort of on a path to becoming a darker reflection of Vanderās ideals.
Vi becomes a part of the system she used to rage against.
Ā Based on the season 2 teaser that was released in 2021āĀ
āNobody else needs to get hurt.ā
āI think itās likely that Vi believes she can prevent more death or can stop Piltoverās violence against the undercity if she takes Jinx in.
Vi sees herself as a protector who has failed at every turn to protect those she cares about. She lost her parents, Powder, Vander, Mylo, Claggor, etc. and she is constantly desperate to try and save what she loves and that will likely drive her decision to become an enforcer.
Vi, like Vander, wants to save what she loves and as a result isnāt going to fight back against topside. This is a much more extreme version of Vanderās ideals. Where she ācompromisesā in an attempt to prevent bloodshed but as a result enables (or in her case helps) the system in place.
This decision will have negative consequences (and deservedly so!) because no matter what thoughts or feelings are the driving factor in it she is still siding with her oppressors and ultimately helping the system that is the root cause of that loss and pain in the first place.Ā
Based on the clip released at Annecy and what people have said the writers explained about Viās arc in season 2 it seems like Vi will be ostracized for this decision and deservedly so. She wonāt belong anywhere. To the undercity sheās a traitor and to Piltover sheās nothing more than an undercity rat.
She will have lost everything. She will have no one to protect. And who is Vi if sheās not a protector?
Vi will be forced to re-evaluate who she is and what she wants. Just like Jinx, Vi will have to redefine herself when she loses everything.
I canāt wait for season 2 and what the team at Fortiche has in store for us. The way the show tackles complex themes and ideas is incredible and Vi and Jinx are some of the most compelling and complicated characters Iāve seen on tv. Iām looking forward to November.
#arcane#netflix#arcane vi#arcane jinx#arcane vander#arcane silco#In many ways Vi has idealized Zaun under Vander's leadership#because she was frozen in time when she was thrown into prison#after just losing him#and I think she never really got to process everything#which is why the breakdown#of everything she believes she is#is necessary for her arc#She needs to live in the world that has#moved on and changed#without her old ties#(and without caitlyn)#and discover what it is she wants and believes in#Vi cares#she cares a lot but she's a broken person#who never got the chance to heal#and she makes desperate impulsive decisions#as a result#she does want to make a better future for Zaun#But she doesn't know what that is#JInx on the flipside will have the chance to#rediscover the best of herself in some ways#Parts of Powder are still in there#by that I mean she still cares#She isn't a killing machine
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a lot of people are talking about the new wan chapter and the idea of skk being fanfic writers and can i just propose that if they were fic writers in the canon universe theyād have the CRAZIEST authors notes explaining why they werenāt updating.
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āHeyyy sorry for not updating, I met this annoying ass kid from the mafia and was forced to work with him so my friends wouldnāt be killed but I guess it worked out cause this dude we had to find was starting shit in MY name (long story š). Anyway we found him and dealt with him (I did most the work) so now Iām back! Iām at a new place now but donāt worry, updates should continue as normal šā
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āhi guys sorry for being gone i almost died (bullet wounds suck .. >_>) but then this nice man helped me (i was such a great patient :3) ! then we both got captured by some assholes but dw we both got out! posting this at the bar rn ^_^ hope u enjoyedā
#I WOULD DO ONE FOR STORMBRINGER BUT I HAVENT READ IT STILL feel free to give me ur own version >_<#this is also to show my hc of chuuya using proper capitalization and emojis#while dazai uses lower case only and emoticons#22!skk fic writers would be just as crazy#āsorry i was in prison but dw i broke out!ā#āSorry I had to go break someone out of prison Iām backā#donāt ask how pre-15 arc chuuya has internet access if thereās a will thereās a wayā#bsd#bungou stray dogs#bsd dazai#dazai osamu#bsd chuuya#chuuya nakahara#soukoku#bsd wan
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Hope doesnāt escape but there is always hope.
#dream fanart#rainystressedart#dreblrspookyweek#dreblr#prison arc#he is a sad meow meow now#traumatising#this prompt week has been
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Soo uh
@see-arcane 's Jonathan ghoul or just over all creepy monster Johnny is stuck in my head and I'm like
Hell yeah
So what if our beautiful anime girl Jonathan got ghouled too quickly for his liking and now Dracula is in even more shit
If only you didn't touch Mina, Drac
#jonathan harker#dracula#monster jonathan harker#sometimes i really think our beloved johnny has kaneki torture arc in his prison arc lmao#digital art#fanart#count dracula#dracula daily#dracula spoilers
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average sonic unleashed fan
#i also have a plush somewhere but im too lazy to take him down from his spot to take pictures#and i also have a t shirt but it has a fanmade design on it#so it doesnt really count towards my goal of collecting as much of the official werehog merch as possible#oh and i also have the issue of sonic universe that has werehog in prison in the off panel lmao#wasnt actively searching for it just ran into it at a store that was selling old comics and was like ill get it why not#little guy images#werehog funko pop is so goofy looking . my son who has every disease#i dont even buy funko pops usually because im not the biggest fan of the style id rather have other figures if i have the choice#i was just overtaken by the excitement of new werehog merch in 2022#ILOVE THE CONTROL ARC IN ARCHIE SONIC BTW. so good i always make sure to go back and re read it occasionally
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beard: Ted is my best friend, he is my savior, he is my rock. I will define my life by servicing him as his assistant and I will drop my entire life in the span of three days just because he asked me to. My biggest regret that still haunts me years and years later is that I betrayed him, and I have been punishing myself ever since. Heās an agent of good, I follow him like he is Jesus and I am just a simple worshiper. I love Ted. I have ruined relationships because of my devotion to Ted, my own girlfriend turned wife hates Ted with a passion due to her jealousy. I am constantly having to pick between my girlfriend and ted.
ted: this is my best buddy beardo :{D
#beardās arc being so defined by ted and how ted has changed him but like#ted just. is vibing.#the writers didnāt give them a lot of emotional connection on Tedās side so it really feels so funny#like ted expressed worry for beard lile. three times. and he didnāt help him with really anything#not like he has with other characters#and beard is so defined by ted and helping ted#like the advice / help ted has given is all pre canon#and used by beard as a reference within the show#like when beard reminded ted how he helped him on his first day or advice after that bad breakup#the entire prison / ted helping him story was only brought up by beard to someone else#and like beardās devotion is definitely codependent and itās not necessarily the most healthy thing in the world lmao#he has a lot of issues !!! but he really truly does love ted#and he doesnāt see him as an infallible guy despite seeing him as an agent of good#like he knows ted is HUMAN. heās a man. just a man. he knows that#he doesnāt think heās this holy flawless person. he loves him with his flaws#and his humanness
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of course tubbo had a gallery in his photos dedicated to solely etoiles photos
#watching the post prison arc stream where etoiles tubbo and foosh are chatting about random shit . itās great#āhadā and i bet he still has it#jay liveblogs
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thinking about tommys death and resurrection. thinking about dream, with no access to anything outside of what is in his cell. dream, bludgeoning tommys corpse and tearing apart skin and muscle to grab at his new tools. dream, with bone shards for scalpels and sewing needles, with tendon for string. tommy wasnāt using it right anyway. dream, who puts tommy back together piece by piece, just to destroy him again. and tommy, who is broken and made anew over and over, tommy, who paradoxically loses as much flesh as he gains, tommy, who is never whole but retains all the pieces, tommy, whoās cracks are not filled with gold but his own flesh, twisted and wrong, tommy, whoās broken and ugly, tommy, who walks with a limp now, tommy, whos bones never set right, tommy, who never fully left the prison, tommy, who is still sitting shiny and new on dreams countertop.
#ctommy#cdream#dsmp#dsmpblr#cdiscduo#just thinking#yknow tommy really is Jesus#like fr#anyway I think dream took from the Achilles tendon to be extra cruel#bc itās easier to hunt down a wounded animal#I donāt think tommy heals right anymore#so he has to be more careful about what he does#truly no longer the carefree child he once was#q#I think the prison death/revival arc is fucked up enough on its own#but Iām here to make it more fucked and gruesome#tw gore ig#gore#gore-adjacent#c!tommy#c!dream#c!discduo#disc duo#my writing
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Oh I was just haunted by jmah!Dreamās deteriorating mental state
:C my BOYYY
and it's awful, too, because it's not like Dream is in a particularly good state of mind when the prison starts in the first place. and he's in here because he's terrified (and he's in here as punishment) and he's in here because even though Sam hates him--and he's ensured that Sam hates him, and he's planning to do more to make sure of that fact as well (in canon, c!Dream is talking to c!Sam 'all about exile' in those first few days)--Sam will do his job. he trusts him to do his job. he knows Sam, the man that he's worked with for the last month on this project, on making sure this prison is as secure as it can possibly be, one of the final few people to work with him before the events of the green festival, doomsday, staged finale etc. made sure he'd stand alone, just where he was supposed to. this is a Dream that's already been swimming in the lava before Sam travels back in time.
unlike Sam's betrayal in canon, there's nothing slow about what happens in JMAH. there's no ability for him to cope and go yeah, Sam's being kind of serious, but it's no big deal, yeah, this place kind of sucks, but it's survivable, yeah, there's some mistreatment, but I expected that. in an instant, Sam goes from a predictable cog in the machine meant to keep him alive into a stranger hellbent on torturing the fuck out of him, and he has no idea why. Sam is nowhere near as straightforward as Quackity in explaining what the hell he wants out of Dream--he asks for the book, sure, but also for information, also for complete obedience, also for explanations for things he shouldn't know and punishments for things he never did. there is no promise that the revive book will end anything, for this Dream, and no one to give him anything at all but the Warden.
just ,, the lengths to which this Sam is willing to go, the intensity of his obsession, the way he'd be left reeling with no choice other than to endure and wonder why breaks my heart. Dream has no fucking clue to what end this is all for, and i think he struggles a lot with that. worse than just the torture, perhaps, is the familiarity, the sparks of something that is almost fondness, the satisfaction in Sam's voice when he's gotten something and Dream isn't even sure what he's just given away--and maybe it'd be easier to understand if what Sam wanted from him were any more straightforward, if the desire could pan out as something as simple as sadistic pleasure at hurting him or deriving some kind of gratification from making him submit or wanting power or to eliminate a threat or anything, but all that is clear is that Sam wants something from him and will stop at nothing to get it.
c!Dream and identity is already a finicky thing as well as his whole complex about himself and evil--c!Dream thinks he's a person that does evil things to achieve good ends, but he struggles pretty heavily, honestly, with himself-as-evil and being viewed as evil-and-just-evil and actually being the tyrant-villain-monster-snake-that-just-bites, etc, which means that there is a level of vulnerability here when it comes to how he sees himself and builds his identity and the constant, relentless onslaught of . pain and torture combined with Sam justifying it all by Who He Is Innately and monologuing about how he deserves it all, because c!Dream isn't a person that doesn't think that punishment as a concept is wrong and doesn't necessarily disagree that he's evil either. and again. torture self harm box of mental illness. and part of the problem with a Sam that's fresh from Daedalus and then thrust into kind of the worst possible position of reflecting on those conversations by being in a place where he's able to fall hard on old habits to copium his way out of dealing with anything he personally might have done (because obviously he can just Fix It Now) while also having the additional cope of i-am-godsent-to-make-everything-better BY keeping dream in a box, you kind of get a situation where both Dream and Sam are psychologically in pretty vulnerable places and then you're taking a torture machine hammer to those stress points. so it's fun.
i have no clue if that last paragraph made any kind of sense btw.
but ... yeah. even for any character in any kind of state the insane torture contraption of torture efficiency would be. erm. extremely damaging to one's mental health, to say the least. the only good thing for dream i guess is that sam still has his head too far up his own ass to actually git gud at conditioning anyone deliberately and is therefore still largely skating by By Accident, because otherwise his head would've been even more blendered than it already gets.
#just me and him au#my asks !!#of course his head already sucks ass so#i think re: the prison arc c!Dream had a lot of vulnerabilities that i don't think he or sam or quackity or whatever like. recognized#because in general people's perception of c!dream didn't tend to match up very well with who the guy actually was#for reasons including his own complete lack of self awareness and how deeply delusional people tended to be about him always#but that being said. like. i think it's important to remember that for all that daedalus gives us insight on what c!dream sees#as like. good and evil#he's still very sure of his being evil. and visibly struggles with that later in the finale and snake speech#being sure of his actions and the ends justifying the means by no means translates into confidence in his own identity#c!dream tends to be sure of what he has to do. who he is? not so much#(versus c!sam's DELUSIONAL ASS confidence in Who He Is and Who Dream Is and how that informs EVERYTHINGGGG)#c!dream is who he needs to be and in the right circumstances that means you can make him who you need him to be#i think that sam and dream's issues can be in certain situations much more compatible than people realize sometimes#and it's in those situations where you get the worst kind of feedback loops for both characters.for sure
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the progression of events in this arc is so so good and great and i love how you can just clearly see where and how each characters thoughts begin and progress throughout each chapter as it goes on. while steven was probably set in stone about his view on how to handle the situation i earnestly believe zed and zapp set out to disobey steven's request. and then they make it very easy to understand leo's point of view and why hes doing what he is - its why they show us that flashback and don't tell anyone else, and why he speaks very little after zapp threatens him - and then immediately cuts to klaus, who knows absolutely nothing about the situation currently but he can figure it out just by looking at whats in front of him. and because klaus is so unflinching when it comes to upholding what he believes is morally right he does so without anyone needing to tell him whats going on. he sees this percieved 'monster' protecting someone else and immediately goes to protect it, too. and even though a lot of them disagreed with each other at the beginning there is still the scene afterwards where they all come together to try and catch each other when they begin falling. i think nightow should pay me for what its done to my mental health
#.text#kekkai sensen#sorry this arc made me normal.#i love that panel with zed even if i cant stop laughing. hes a skater boy. SOOO funny#ddo you get it#not about skater boy zed about the other more dire thing happening in this post. FORGET about skater boy zed#im being miserable again. oh my god. kekkai sensen#i know nightow just loves to leave things as is like after it ends it ends but i wished i couldve seen the aftermath#like. what steven was thinking. what zapp and zed were thinking. klaus also he was like in prison for most of that#SOOO funny that he like. gets arrested at random unfairly. everything is pretty much fine. and then when he gets out#the city is on fire two of his coworkers are in the hospital chain is nowhere to be seen the prison has exploded#there are vampires on the loose femt is there for some reason and there is a 10 million dollar bounty on leo's head#klaus leaves for FIVE MINUTES and THIS happens#dude doesnt even like stop to think about it he immediately turns around and go. hummer. throw me as far as you can.#and then they did.#amazing. this is the best manga ever.#wow ive gotten off topic sorry. anyway#i added that giant paragraph of text after all of these tags sorry guys i know im annoying and saying things that were probably#said 5 years ago but um. im late to the party. and i dont know how to shut up. so you have to deal with it#also i included the panel with neji and riel because i think it says so much. that theyre the ones saying this.#neji doesnt even remember leo almost getting his head bashed in just in the off chance that it could save his life and still he Knows#like they know more than anyone probably how leo sacrifices everything he has for the people around him#and i like that nightow included them in something so important and so defining of his character.#they appear once. twice. so little. but theyre integral to how hes percieved by others and by us.#anyway. kkss is good.#this post happened because i'm trying to draw and needed references but my kkss folder is 900+ images#and i got distracted by these pages in there#because i couldnt resist rereading them#if i could add more than 10 images id also add the like 3 pages of them falling and trying to catch each other at the end#but. alas. woah i ran out of tags bye everyone. thanks or sorry if you read all of this
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