#Cassius Payne

[us-the-batfam-blog]

WAS ANYONE GOING TO TELL ME THERES LIKE 5 CLAYFACES AND CLAYWOMAN AND CLAYFACE 3 HAD A FUCKING KID?????

BOYS WHAT THE HELL WHEN WAS THIS, when did CLAYFACE 3 COME ABOUT HUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUHUH???

also Jean-Paul let abattoir die lol, now the entire batfam is angry as shit.

[just-an-enby-lemon]

In the list of AUs that will never happen the Basil introduces Music Meister to the rest of the Mud Pact and he becomes an unofficial sixth member is one of my faves. I just ship them a lot.

Cassius is thrilled to have another fun uncle and Darius may help Basil ruin the kid by turning them into a non-binary THEATER kid. Wich is the worse type of queer kid (I was one, I know). They cry in joy as Cassius (in his disguised human form) decides to audition to the middle school production of Beuty and the Beast.

Preston decides Darius is a better influence to his son than Basil or Matt. He does ask to study Darius metagene because he is looking for meta habilities as a way to cure his condition (or at least don't suffer in blinding pain unless he kills people sometimes).

Sondra is less thrilled and is actually very intimidating at first because she sees Basil as an older brother and has questions about the man who dared to date him. After realizing he has good intentions she is fine with him.

Matt is Matt. He is the chillest guy around and accepts new realities pretty easily (became a clay monster = oh well let's comit thematic crimes than it appears to be fun) so he may joke around Darius but is actually very friendly and it's just happy Music Meister didn't pick Basil costume of calling him Matthew.

P.S: Rita Farr is also an unoficial member of the Mud Pact since she and Basil were old Hollywood best frennimies before both becaming monsters. She was way less thrilled than Darius with this as while she likes them she is a hero and they are decidedly not (specially Matt).

[orange-s-mario]

Drew every clayface and clayface-like and clayface related character there are a lot

[scarecrowdrugs]

I'm just going to run with the idea that there's multiple people running around as Clayface at the same time in Shiversverse. Listen, I absolutely love everything about Basil Karlo, but it bothers me when he gets combined with Matt Hagen. I certainly don't mind when he gets Hagen's powerset; i mean, shapeshifting with an overdramatic horror actor makes complete sense! But I love Karlo's original look with the gothic looking cape and hat, and having him just look like Hagen's Clayface is such a waste of potential! And poor Preston and Sondra gets ignored all the time!

[zahri-melitor]

@upswings I had a go at it.

My further notes on this:

I am KICKING myself over who in DC has been written out of existence by their parent, but Wanda’s a classic pick anyway.

I just can’t work out who was transformed by powerful unknown magics and I’m going to groan when I get it.

Additions from my own backlog of ridiculous canon:

If you killed his clone in a fight? Was that clone you killed your son? (Travis Morgan and Joshua Morgan)

When you’re a computer program who THINKS you’re the father of that son (Death Masque and Ray Terrill)

If your son died in a car crash and then you found out an alternate version of him was raised by Granny Goodness (Donna Troy and Robbie Long)

If your son has been cloned and the clone raised by his evil grandfather? (Don Allen and Thad Thawne)

When a scientist gets infected by a sample of tissue from your son being held in captivity and being experimented on (Preston Payne, Sondra Fuller, Cassius Payne and Peter Malley)

[localebra]

Henchmen of Clayface

Basil Karlo henchmen are much more of a cult, only apearing in Joker's Asylum: Clayface #1 2010. The Children of the Clay come to Clayface's attention after he atcted a theatre for showing his films in a late night schlock collection. Originally believing they were there to mock his movies clayface threatened to eat one of them, he was surprised when the fan asked to be eaten. The Children of the Clay explained to Clayface and they as a cult have two major interests in him. Firstly he played a monster in the movies then went on to become an actual monster in real life after his transformation. Secondly the wider world's rejection of him frames him as an underdog who they can relate to do to feeling rejected by society. Clayface takes over an abandoned theater and staffs it with fake people made of clay. The follower all want to be consumed by Clayface and so he begin doing so. They are interrupted by Batman and Clayface shape shifts into one of his followers blending in since of them wear his outfit from his first film. The cultists and Clayface escape to fight another day, except this was the last appearance of The Children of the Clay.

There is so much story potential with The Children of the Clay and it they have only became more relevant over time. a cult of lonely people who form because of a intrest in cinema who are lead into self destructive or just suicidal ideas. This sounds like it could be a call out of about 8 different online groups and that why it would make for an impactful modern story.

There is also Basil Karlo's role in the group since he works as the perfect idle for the cult, but I don't believe he would ever consider being a long term leader. That role of leader could go to any number of characters. Each of the other Clayface's could bring something different to the role. Matt Hagen can be the bemused bum who is taking advantage of the cult and cults of all they've got. Preston Payne can turn the cultists into clay to relieve his pain like his first appearance and simply say it's them becoming one. Sondra Fuller has always had image issues and wanted to be beautiful, so a cult worshipping her as a godess in her natural for would work. Cassius Payne could be a immature and cruel god or his parents could say he is a messiah to use the cult to get him back.

There is also the option for original characters like a member of the original cult trying to bring it back and maybe empower himself like Basil Karlo did with the Mud Pack. The opinion to have one of Clayface's lost fragments be worshipped and gain personality from that could really work. If there must be a twist they can believe there a part from Basil Karlo when in reality it's from any of the other Clayface's.

[breaniebree]

Kismet Characters & Family Trees Part Five:

Ron Weasley (1 March 1980) GRYFFINDOR m. Hermione Granger (19 September 1979) GRYFFINDOR (2003): 1. Rose Jean Weasley (31 August 2005) RAVENCLAW m. David Goldstein (18 May 2005) RAVENCLAW (2025): a) Baxter “Bax” Ronald Goldstein (4 August 2028) GRYFFINDOR b) Amanda Rose Goldstein (25 April 2031) RAVENCLAW 2. Hugo Harry Weasley (13 July 2007) HUFFLEPUFF m. Kenna Brown (2 April 2009) SLYTHERIN (2042): a) Catherine Kenna Weasley (17 May 2044) RAVENCLAW b) Pippa Madelyn Weasley (22 July 2046) HUFFLEPUFF 3. Granger Weasley (1 March 2011) GRYFFINDOR m. Ramona Warrington (21 February 2010) HUFFLEPUFF (2035): a) Payne Cassius Weasley (13 September 2039) RAVENCLAW b) Orson Ronald Weasley (25 March 2044) SLYTHERIN c) Selena Jean Weasley (29 June 2048) HUFFLEPUFF

Émile Clement (1907) m. Marie (1939): 1. Jacques Clement (1944) m. Nell (1967): a) Elise Clement (1969) b) Adeline Clement (1973) 2. Luc Clement (1948)  m. Louisa (1973): a) Christian Clement (1975) b) Chloe Clement (1979) 3. Jean Clement (1952) m. Greg Granger (1975): a) Hermione Granger (1979) m. Ron Weasley (7 December 2003): i) Rose Jean Weasley (31 August 2005) RAVENCLAW m. David Goldstein (18 May 2005) RAVENCLAW (2025): a) Baxter “Bax” Ronald Goldstein (4 August 2028) GRYFFINDOR b) Amanda Rose Goldstein (25 April 2031) RAVENCLAW ii) Hugo Harry Weasley (13 July 2007) HUFFLEPUFF m. Kenna Brown (2 April 2009) SLYTHERIN (2042): a) Catherine Kenna Weasley (17 May 2044) RAVENCLAW b) Pippa Madelyn Weasley (22 July 2046) HUFFLEPUFF iii) Granger Ronald Weasley (1 March 2011) GRYFFINDOR m. Ramona Warrington (21 February 2010) HUFFLEPUFF (2035): a) Payne Cassius Weasley (13 September 2039) RAVENCLAW b) Orson Ronald Weasley (25 March 2044) SLYTHERIN c) Selena Jean Weasley (29 June 2048) HUFFLEPUFF

Hugo Granger m. Helen (1939): 1. Garth Granger (1942) (lost his fiancée Annie) never married 2. Greg Granger (1950) m. Jean Clement (1975): a) Hermione Granger (1979) m. Ron Weasley (7 December 2003): i) Rose Jean Weasley (31 August 2005) RAVENCLAW m. David Goldstein (18 May 2005) RAVENCLAW (2025): ai) Baxter “Bax” Ronald Goldstein (4 August 2028) GRYFFINDOR aii) Amanda Rose Goldstein (25 April 2031) RAVENCLAW ii) Hugo Harry Weasley (13 July 2007) HUFFLEPUFF m. Kenna Brown (2 April 2009) SLYTHERIN (2042): ai) Catherine Kenna Weasley (17 May 2044) RAVENCLAW aii) Pippa Madelyn Weasley (22 July 2046) HUFFLEPUFF iii) Granger Ronald Weasley (1 March 2011) GRYFFINDOR m. Ramona Warrington (21 February 2010) HUFFLEPUFF (2035): ai) Payne Cassius Weasley (13 September 2039) RAVENCLAW aii) Orson Ronald Weasley (25 March 2044) SLYTHERIN aiii) Selena Jean Weasley (29 June 2048) HUFFLEPUFF

Thanks to @ellieoryan7447 for taking the time and effort to create these.

[mino2aur]

clayfaces masterlist

clayface 1: basil karlo. your bog standard clayface. the classic. everybody know him everybody love him. used to be a movie star now he is a slime. his shapeshifting abilities will now be used for crime.

clayface 2: matt hagen. you couldnt pay me to give a fuck about matt hagen. hes not even full time hes just got a pool that makes him clayface temporarily

clayface 3: preston payne. now this is a clayface you can sink your teeth into! but you shouldnt because you will die. his skin turns You into a slime if you touch it! as such he is in unending t0rment. thats what i like in a man. noted for his haunting appearance in Serious House on Serious Earth, the comic where joker slaps batman on the ass and nothing else happens (lying)

clayface 4: lady clayface <- literally her name. her person name is sondra fuller. she has the same powers as boris, which i think is a cop out. give her something fun.

clayface 5: cassius payne. so apparently miss sondra and mr. preston FUCKED and now they have a SLIME SON! hes pretty standard although if you separate some of his goop from him it turns into a little clay thing. a gooplet

at this point on the wiki i began to suspect they had begun making these up

clayface 6: clay thing. apparently one of payne jrs gooplets got busy enough to be counted as a full clayface. good for them!

clayface 7: todd russel. seems like a boris style guy, it looks like he was only in the catwoman comics and died when catwoman put his ass in a big freezer. thats "cool" haha

clayface 8: johnny williams. used to be a firefighter till he got chemicaled up. seems a bit sad i guess. i dont know. he worked with hush for a bit i always forget about hush

[unclejellyfish]

For Context, OG Basil Karlo is the least valid Clayface. Rebirth Basil’s cool though. I didn’t add Comic Matt Hagen because he’s such a nothing character. 

[reyturnofbensolo]

I would LOVE to see the Mud Pack featured in a Batman flick!

[spacejellyfish3]

ok hear me out: a potential The Batman 2 that’s Knives Out but make it Clayface.

it harkens back to Clayface’s very first appearance in the comics in Detective Comics #40, wherein B-list actor Basil Karlo is driven to murderous rage against actors in a remake of the classic horror film that had made him famous. with a bit of reworking and expansion (maybe even incorporating a few elements of a Catwoman storyline in Darwyn Cooke’s early 00s run involving a Clayface like villain), it not only serves as a great callback to the character, but as well fits in perfectly with the detective noir themes and style of Matt Reeves’ interpretation: betrayal, misrecognition, disguise, etc. and if Reeves wants to push even further he could possibly transition into the genre stylings of giallo—sumptuous color and lighting, high octane melodramatics, masculine impotence and stylish bloodshed—maybe starting a trend of transitioning from one mystery sub genre with every installment.

and just to make the plot even sweeter and to keep the audience guessing, base the entire pool of suspects on pre-existing alternate Clayfaces from the comics. Basil Karlo, Matthew Hagen, Preston Payne, Sondra Fuller, Cassius Payne, Ethan Bennet, just to name a few; there are a LOT of them. there are so many avenues to explore here and it could really test Battinson’s world’s greatest detective skills to the max in ways the first film couldn’t by nature of its plot with the audience’s prior knowledge of the Riddler’s identity and certain bits of his ethos from past characterizations.

the only hang up is that I’d really want Robin to be included in these proceedings as an already established partner to Batman, not in the least of which because he was actively involved in the original Basil Karlo story from the 40s, but that could be solved by saving this particular plot bunny of mine for a third film or just condensing certain aspects of it to merge properly with Dick Grayson or Jason Todd’s origin stories.

[pitviperofdoom]

I have no self control so I made an Ace Attorney AU with dӕmons in it. Have a ficlet!

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They’ve barely made it back out into the defendant’s lobby when Larry’s dӕmon screams and tries to tackle Phoenix’s.

Luckily, Dawn’s used to this kind of thing, and goats aren’t really built for the kind of tackling that Artemisia was attempting. She manages to get in an awkward, floppy headbutt before Dawn sort of sighs and starts circling around her. It’ll take a second, but if the usual patterns hold true, Dawn will end up sitting on her to get her to calm down. That’s usually what’s worked in the past.

“That was a close one!” Mia says cheerfully, drawing Phoenix’s attention away from the dӕmons’ antics. “I was almost ready to kiss that Not Guilty verdict goodbye.”

Phoenix winces in embarrassment. “Oh, come on…”

“Thanks for the vote of confidence, boss,” Dawn says dryly, while Artemisia performs a complicated parkour maneuver off her shoulder. The piteous bleating and clip-clop of goat hooves are almost deafening with the lobby’s acoustics.

From Mia’s shoulder, Archimedes laughs. “She’s joking,” he says, ignoring Mia’s look of betrayal.  “She’s joking, don’t worry. We knew you had it handled.”

Phoenix relaxes. “Oh, well, I guess—”

“I mean you had to have Payne handled,” Arc goes on. “If you can’t trounce the Rookie Killer, there’s no hope for you.”

“Thank… you?” Phoenix tries.

“Why is it so hard to tell a compliment from a criticism with them?” Dawn wonders, just loud enough to be heard. Mia covers her mouth elegantly against her laughter, but the pigeon dӕmon on her shoulder has no such reservations. Before Phoenix can think of a follow-up to that, Larry falls upon him in hysterics.

“Nick! Nick, what am I gonna do? My Cindy-windy’s gone, how is life worth living?”

“Larry, she was a—oh, never mind,” Dawn mutters.

It takes a minute, and some digging through the court record, but eventually Dawn sits on Artie until she stops wiggling, and Phoenix assuages Larry’s agony over whether or not his late ex-girlfriend loved him. Dawn lets Artie up off the floor and takes the last-minute headbutt to the chin like a champ, and Larry and his dӕmon finally leave. They’re definitely not getting paid for any of this.

Dawn shakes the rest of the confetti out of her fur and returns to Phoenix’s side, tail wagging like a banner. “Well, that could’ve gone a lot worse.”

“Oh, we’ve had more frustrating clients before, believe me,” Mia says, and something about her pointed smile tells Phoenix exactly which client she’s talking about. Dawn’s tail stops wagging for a moment.

“Hey, don’t knock Larry,” Phoenix retorts. “He’s part of the reason why I became a lawyer in the first place.”

Mia’s eyes widen in surprise. “My, you’ll have to tell us that story sometime,” she says. “Harry Butz, the inspiration for your legal career.”

Phoenix exchanges a glance with his dӕmon. “Well…”

“A small part,” Dawn amends. “About thirty percent of the reason, tops.”

It’s the part that’s the easiest to explain, anyway. Mia has never been shy about her opinion of cutthroat prosecutors, so how is he supposed to tell her—

how wrong it was, seeing pictures of the so-called Demon Prosecutor in news and magazines, tired and angry and weighed down with misery that nobody else seems to notice, with a dӕmon that’s said to show her claws to anyone who moves too close—

“Phoenix?” Mia’s voice brings him back to the present. “Still with us?”

“Yeah, yeah, just… thinking about things,” he says. “You’re right, I’ll have to… tell you about that.”

“Later this evening, maybe,” she says. “Why don’t we get together for dinner? You did just win your first trial, after all. I think that’s a good reason to celebrate.”

Dawn’s drooping tail springs up again and wags, like she can be any more obvious.

“Yeah, sure, sounds good,” Phoenix agrees, praying that his dӕmon won’t start prancing like she’s actually begging for a treat. Mia notices, obviously, and grins in spite of his best efforts to salvage his dignity. Sometimes there are disadvantages to having your soul walk around in the form of a fluffy white dog the size of a miniature horse.

“Phoenix?” she says.

“Yeah, Chief?”

Her amused grin softens to a more genuine smile. “Archimedes meant what he said before.”

“We really did know you could do it,” says Arc.

“To be honest, we’ve known you’d do well since you first told us you were changing your major,” Mia tells him.

Dawn’s tail wags faster. “Okay, now I know you’re fibbing,” Phoenix says. “Twenty-year-old me was an airhead.”

“Was, he says,” Mia’s dӕmon remarks.

“Archimedes,” Mia chides him. “We’re not kidding, Phoenix. It’s all in your dӕmon.”

Phoenix blinks, then exchanges another look with Dawn. “Me?” Dawn asks. “But… I was the same, back then. It’s not like…” Her voice catches. “It’s not like I noticed anything wrong with Dollie and Cassius and—”

“You believed in them,” Arc says gently. “That’s one of the most important parts of being a good defense attorney: trusting your instincts and believing in your client’s innocence.” He cocks his head to one side. “But that’s not what we’re talking about. It’s the very shape you’re in, Dawn.”

“A… dog?” Phoenix frowns. “Man, that’s not what the kids in middle school said.”

“Meh-meh-meh, Phoenix has a dog dӕmon, he’s gonna be a bellboy when he grows up,” Dawn mutters mockingly.

“Seriously, Rudy Bruzer used to throw his backpack at me and tell me to carry it for him. That thing was heavy.” Phoenix stops before he gets too deep in the teen angst of years past. “Anyway, everybody says dog dӕmons are the submissive, authority-following type, so I don’t really see your point.”

“Well, you didn’t look very submissive at the defense bench just now,” Mia points out. “And besides, I’m not talking about her being a dog. I’m talking about the kind of dog she is.” She raises an eyebrow at him. “Don’t tell me you never looked it up.”

“We never really thought about it,” Dawn admits. “I guess I kind of look like a Pyrenees?”

“Precisely.” Arc flutters down from Mia’s shoulder and lands on Dawn’s back. “A Great Pyrenees. That’s a breed from the Pyrenees Mountains between France and Spain. A guardian breed, to be exact.”

Dawn twists her head around to look at him. “So now I’m a guard dog? What does that have to do with being a lawyer?”

“Not a guard dog,” Mia says, keeping her eyes on Phoenix. “A guardian. They were bred to watch over herds and flocks in the mountains.” She tilts her head with a smile. “You have the soul of a protector, Phoenix.”

“Gentle with the lambs and fierce against the wolves,” Archimedes adds. “I can’t think of a better dӕmon for someone who defends the innocent.”

“Oh,” Phoenix says faintly. Mia’s nice enough to pretend not to notice how choked up he is. After all the dumb-dog-go-fetch comments he’s heard in every school he’s ever attended, this is the nicest thing anyone’s ever said about Dawn’s shape.

***

Hours later, he kneels on the floor of Mia’s office, choking back tears as he searches her corpse for clues. Archimedes is gone, dissolved into Dust the moment Mia’s heart stopped beating. Dawn noses her cold hand; it’s safe for his dӕmon to touch her now that she’s dead.

You were wrong, Chief, he thinks, staring blankly at the bloody name scrawled on the back of a department store receipt. I couldn’t even protect you.

[just-an-enby-lemon]

AU where Basil Karlo is just a tiny little bit less egocentric, Matt Hagen doesn't die and the Mud Pact are besties.

Also AU were Batman was Bruce and not Jean Paul Valley when Cassius was kidnnaped so he decides to help Sondra (who wasn't comiting crimes anymore at that point except when her son was kidnnapped and in danger what is understandable) raise the kid while trying to find a cure for Preston (or at least the pain-murder part). Thanks to that Cassius has a happy childhood with two loving parents(although if he has to visit Arkham disguused for Preston or Bruce did fund a cure is open in the air as both are fine to me) who fully accepted them and three unhinged goodfathers/uncles (Batman, Basil and Matt) and they become an antihero and part of Damian's Teen Titans

[hhytheking]

Leaders’modern name

This is part of my CIV6 modern AU which shows the modern name of the leaders who after their reincarnation.(original name—morden name)

Original members:

Catherine De Medici—Catherine Parminal

Cleopatra—Kamilah Hisham

Frederick Barbarossa—Frederick Coll

Gandhi—Mohandas Shukla

Gilgamesh—Gilbert Galván

Gorgo—Grace Dimitrakopoulou

Harald Hardrada—Harald Sigurðsson

Hojo Tokimune—Hojo Yoshiyuki

Mvemba a Nzinga—Mablevi Alfonso Lombisi

Pedro II—Pedro Belschansky

Pericles—Demetri Setletis

Peter—Peter Danilyuk

Philip II—Philip Leandro Vega

Qin Shi Huang—Ying Junchao

Saladin—Hassen Gharam

Teddy Roosevelt—Theodore Tatum

Tomyris—Tammy Berezova

Trajan—Marcus Ceconi

Victoria—Alexandrina Montgomery-Owen

DLC members:

Alexander—Alexander Papadopoulos

Amanitore—Amanda Elsalam

Cyrus—Cyrus Risbaf

Gitarja—Ayu Febriani

Jadwiga—Juliet Magdalena Jakubowska

Jayavarman VII—Chey Saron

John Curtin—Jonathan Burke

Montezuma—Morty Rosenthal De La Itzcoatl

Rise&Fall members:

Chandragupta—Candro Vaidya

Genghis Khan—Batbayar

Lautaro—Lucas Nahuelhual

Poundmaker—Sehkosowayanew Bearchild

Robert the Bruce—Robert Brussen Payne

Seondeok—Kim Seung won

Shaka—Funani Mthethwa

Tamar—Tatyana Makharadze

Wilhelmina—Eveline Snoeijers

Gathering Storm members:

Dido—Elissa Fainer

Eleanor of Aquitaine—Eleanor Barbier

Kristina—Kristina Emilia Augustus

Kupe—Kauri Napi Maipi

Mansa Musa—Ibrahima Mostafa III

Matthias Corvinus—Gabor Matthias Cassius

Pachacuti—Waman Cortez

Suleiman—Zane Ertuğrul Vatansever

Wilfred Laurier—Wilfred Cadieux

New Frontier Pass Members:

Ambiorix—Vincent Cornelis Boissaud

Bà Triệu—Triệu Le Giang

Basil II—Basil Petpidis

Hammurabi—Hayastan Daoud Robles

João III—João Leandro Novo

Kublai Khan—Erden Tumurbaatar

Lady Six Sky—Skylar Waktina Batzek Mendoza

Menelik II—Dawit Eshetu

Simón Bolívar—Simón Onofre Tomás Raschery

(Note:Almost every name is based on leaders’name＋their voice actor’s surname or the citizen of their nation’s name.And yes, I am suck at creating name.)

[trickstervixen-misterauthority]

Clayface

Alias for several villains with shape-shifting skills.. most notable: Basil Karlo and Cassius Payne.

[zahri-melitor]

I just really wish people would cross check random claims they’re making in these stories.

This is Che Grayson’s Birds of Prey which…look it’s not a Birds of Prey. You probably could have got way with calling it a Ravens, but it’s not BOP.

“Noah was sent to Arkham Asylum. The youngest patient in the hospital’s history.”

(Urban Legends #14)

Okay, so we’re claiming here that 13 is the youngest anyone’s been at Arkham.

Which…okay Abigail Arkham grew up at the asylum but technically wasn’t a patient. So you’re clear on that.

Cassius Payne was held at STAR Labs not Arkham, as best as I know (also in the ‘toddler’ stakes). And he’s technically not yet back in continuity in Prime Earth.

But we also have Elliot Strummer, over in House of Gotham in Tec. A storyline that finished the month before this story was published. And Strummer is teeny tiny the first time he’s held at Arkham because there was no space at the orphanage. He’s at MOST 13, probably more like 10.

Just…don’t make bold claims like this about ‘youngest’ when writing, because audiences will try to work out if there’s true and if it’s probably unlikely/wrong from characters appearing in other stories in VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY maybe don’t risk it.