#Athena having a daughter

[sarafangirlart]

This is so fucking funny

[mydairpercabeth]

More Baby Annabeth thoughts to ruin your day:

In the show, Echidna explains that monsters trach demigods by smelling their fear; it’s part of the hunt. Once a demigod is aware of who they are and why they’re in danger, monsters will come for them. Annabeth was constantly hunted by monsters from the age of 5. MEANING THIS LITTLE BABY ANGLE WAS SCARED AND ALL HER STEPMOTHER AND FATHER DID WAS MAKE HER FEEL LIKE ITS HER FAULT!!! SHE WAS SO ALIENATED FOR TWO YEARS AND BLAMED HERSELF!!!

[demigods-posts]

headcanon that annabeth is freakishly strong. not because she's been training as a soldier since she was seven. but because stretching the limits of your strength is a mental block first and foremost. and as a daughter of athena, goddes of the mind and strategy. all annabeth has to do is believe that she can lift something and she will lift it.

[hashtagartistlife]

how much greek mythology do you know?

(for ichiruki month 2023 day 8: fairest)

[eternallovers65]

Still trying to understand why athena would consider the kids delivering medusa's head to them as something to be embarrassed of. Like idk about you but if my 12yo daughter managed to kill the monster who disrespected me I'd be so proud of her you would see me taking photos with that head but I guess athena ain't a good mother nor a girls girls

[luminnea]

Currently playing thru Dual Destinies rn and i would do anything for them 🥹🤲💖

They're also available as charms and stickers in my shop! 🪶

[thesummerstorms]

The other thing that I think I would want in an Annabeth Wayne AU that I don't think I've seen so far is Bruce being absolutely pissed at Athena.

It was bad enough with Talia and Damian, but Athena is a literal god of wisdom who should know better AND he doesn't even have the "culpability" of having slept with her.

She one hundred percent saw Batman, tactician of the Justice League, was drawn in by her aspect of the Goddess of Strategy, and proceeded to create a child without his consent, a daughter who she didn't even raise before the child became a weapon.

And like whatever else, however fucked up Damian was by his own training to become a child-weapon, at least Talia loved Damian.

Whereas Athena loves Annabeth in the way a Goddess loves, not the way a Person loves, and I don't think Bruce, whose entire identity is so fixated on his relationship with his own parents, would recognize that as love at all.

And, like, Talia put Damian through a lot of shit. I think Bruce would be angry there too. But when push came to shove, she at least at some point brought him to Bruce because she thought it was in her son's best interests.

Athena actively lead Annabeth away from Bruce and into the streets at the age of seven, which Bruce would never see as in her best interest, whatever Athena's godly perspective is, however badly he reacted after Jason's death, even though he couldn't see (and dismissed the idea of) the spiders and the monsters. She was seven. In the streets of Gotham.

Athena let Annabeth fight a major role in two wars back to back without being there to train her or protect her or love her or even advise her. Athena advocated for the cold blooded murder of the other children who had actually tried to keep his daughter safe. Athena sent Annabeth against Arachne when Athena's children have universally died on that quest for a thousand years.

Athena let Bruce think he had gotten Annabeth killed because of his own inability to handle his grief. Let him think his daughter was dead or worse for years. Would have let him keep thinking that if the Fates didn't have other plans.

And just, in true fashion for all of my ideas on a PJO x DC crossover, everyone really comes out more traumatized than before. This includes Bruce.

Because now he wasn't just used unknowingly for a child just once, but twice. And in both cases he's going to have to live forever with the guilt of not having been able to protect his kids from what their other parent wanted to make of them

(On top of all the ways he has directly failed them and made any complexes worse, of course )

[hamletthedane]

I hate dating apps I need to meet the love of my life more organically*

*in hand-to-hand combat before the great walls of the City of Troy

[aceyanaheim]

But also Odysseus and Athena could have hugged

Like

For me

[mer-acle]

Pallas you have to stop making jokes about dying, your bestie from the future is already almost sobbing just from seeing you, istg.

[likethexan]

Heyy hi so. I'm very happy to find someone who enjoys the Hera and Hermes friendship. I thought I was the only one so far. I admit I base it only headcanons 🫡 but since you look like you know much more than me, i just wanna know if their friendship actually has any proof in myths?

When Hera feeds milk to Hermes, it was unintentional because she pushed him away. So I don't think she feels like a motherly way towards him because of this. Plus she feeded Dionysus milk too in Dionysiaca but she still hated Dionysus. I don't think this paints the relationship in positive way 😟

About Argus too. there's a version where she wanted to punish him but because hermes was following on Zeus orders she couldn't and just threw stones at him. It is a funny myth though. So she did have anger on him for Argus I think but maybe forgot it after some time.

So there are other myths where they are amicable? I mean not neutral but actually friendly. Maybe a myth where Hera and Hermes hang out or something? Or Hera wants to give one her daughter in marriage to Hermes 🤭 something like that i hope there's a story I really want to know more about their relationship

OMG SORRY all of these are my headcanons too 😭💔 I am no academic and I got excited so I didn’t realize the implications of the milk myth / Argos. Thank you on correcting me! (please kindly send the version where she was mad! Cuz I didn’t know it existed!)

Sadly I have searched far and wide for Hermes-Hera positive myths (where they interact) and so far came up empty like you. The closest I know is this one passage where Hermes’ son Bounus honors Hera by making her a temple.

Pausanias, Description of Greece 2. 4. 7 (trans. Jones) (Greek travelogue C2nd A.D.) :

"Here [on the Akrokorinthos of Korinthos], too, is the temple of Hera Bounaia set up by Bounos the son of Hermes. It is for this reason that the goddess is called Bounaia."

So no, not directly Hermes but Hera having a whole epithet from a son of Hermes that survived the times is pretty nice!

[englandsgirl18181234]

Hi👋so hope you’re having a good day/night and sorry for sending you a new ask when you haven’t answered my last one yet

but I just read your post about your au where Athena basically gets the winter soldier treatment and have lot of questions about the au like do Apollo and Athena tell the others about what Zeus did to them and about Athena’s conditioning or do they have to put the pieces together by themselves

speaking of conditioning does Apollo not have the conditioning and did Zeus try to do the same conditioning with Apollo and it just didn’t work maybe cause it sounds like that Zeus started doing this to Athena when she just was born and only stared with Apollo after god games or did he just decide not to the conditioning to Apollo cause he wasn’t trying to make him into a weapon

what are the reactions of each of the Olympians and especially Hera,Demeter,Hestia,Poseidon and Hades to finding out about everything that’s been happening to Athena and Apollo

What time is this au happening during

who is older in this au Apollo or Athena

In this au when Athena was banished from Olympus and went to live with Triton did Zeus not send her to Triton right away so he could turn her in to a weapon or while Athena was banished did he come visit and continue to do the conditioning without Triton being aware of it

I just thought of something dark what if in this au Zeus sent Athena to Triton to so he could have a weapon ready to strike in his brother kingdom

Also why did Zeus kill Pallas in this au because it seems like this is less of Zeus fearing to see his daughter lose in a spar and more calculated

It's all good my dude(gender neutral), I promise! You are welcome to send as many asks as you want, I will always do my best to answer them all even if it might take a while! I promise I'm still working on that Poseidon ask by the way, it's currently in my drafts and getting long!

So from the top! Spoilers under the cut, and warning this has gotten Really Long.

Athena and Apollo do not willingly tell the others anything until after Zeus has already been dethroned and cut to pieces for several days. They are far too afraid of what Zeus will do to them if their efforts fail and he finds out that they were willingly plotting against him. They are not taking any chances with this, not when this might be their only one. They are not trusting anyone but each other, and especially not when the others on the Council start poking around to try and figure out what's going on with the two of them.

This actually causes a lot of angst during the final battle when Zeus manages to trigger Athena's conditioning and Apollo has to fight her. The others had gotten hints that something was s very wrong with them both and that it has something to do with Zeus, but that was it before they take the fight to Zeus. So to see Apollo in that battle, with tears openly streaming down his face and his mouth twisted into a vicious snarl, fighting to kill against an utterly blank faced Athena, the only person they knew for a fact that he trusted, was like a slap to the face that they had all missed something huge going on.

His conditioning is also nowhere near as deep as Athena's either, to the point that he can actually remember every order, and is even able to defy Zeus at times.

And Apollo did go through a lot of the same conditioning as Athena when he got dragged in by Zeus, making him a lot more war like than he's usually depicted. He's even better in a fight than the rest of their siblings, including Ares, because he can regularly fight Athena to a draw as long as she's not under Zeus's orders. And he excels in all ranges of combat in a way that none of his other siblings do, even Athena. Melee, close range, long range, he can do it all, though he's best at melee and extremely long range. And he's a dirty fighter, he's not afraid to hit below the belt or throw sand in your eyes if it gives him even the smallest advantage.

But the thing with the conditioning is that it didn't work the same way as it did for Athena. He does still have some conditioning, but it's different from Athena's because Zeus didn't want him as a weapon, he wanted him as a way to keep Athena in fighting shape. Zeus only bothered training him in combat because he wanted him to be able keep up with her so he could heal her even in the middle of a battlefield.

Because Zeus had molded her into what is basically a barbarian in D&D. Doing as much damage as possible as fast as possible, with no care for how hurt she gets in the process as long as she's still able to fight.

Apollo was basically grabbed to be Zeus's personal healer and Athena's 'mechanic' as it were.

It's because with Apollo, he was already a fully grown adult with multiple primary and secondary domains, and a very defined sense of self because of his bond with Artemis, when Zeus started working on him.

So the rest of the gods, when they're finally informed about what Athena and Apollo suffered at Zeus's hands, are absolutely horrified.

Whereas with Athena, she was essentially a genius toddler that looked like a 12 year old. Zeus got her right from birth, carefully crafting her into his perfect weapon.

And up until she was sent to Atlantis, and then when she later met Odysseus and his family? That's all she was. She was a weapon, Zeus's weapon, and nothing more. People on Olympus basically treated her as an extension of Zeus, never her own person.

But Triton and Pallas taught her, entirely without intending to, that there was more to life than just training and pain. Her time in Atlantis showed her that the way Zeus treated her was not the norm, even for royalty.

And even after she was banished, even after Pallas's death and Triton's seeming abandonment, she remembered those lessons. They became a reminder of Pallas, of her first and only friend. A reminder of Triton and the fact that, even if he didn't love her anymore, he had still loved her once. He had still thought her worthy of his love once upon a time, and that gave her hope that she might be able to make herself into something worthy of being loved again in the future.

And those lessons came back with a vengeance when she met Odysseus. He treated her as a person, as someone worthy of respect on her own merit and not as an extension of Zeus.

Their relationship was extremely close, and she was gentle with him in training as far as she could tell. She gave him the things she'd always wanted in her training with Zeus. A trainer that didn't hurt him when he got something wrong, time to rest and heal when he pushed himself too far, guidance when he didn't know what to do. Even My Goodbye was impossibly gentle from her perspective. She didn't hurt him for defying her the way that Zeus did to her, she didn't torment him and take away the few things he cared about. She just left. Just ignored him for a little while, as a punishment.

But her perspective is so different from his that there was a lot of miscommunication over the years. To him her training was brutal, pushing him harder than he'd ever been pushed before, with long periods of silence when he disappointed her, and her advice was often cryptic and unhelpful until he had already messed up.

So when they reunite, Penelope makes sure they sit down and actually talk things out. And as Athena explained what her own training was like, Odysseus and Penelope suddenly understood so much more about why she trained him the way she did. So to her, seeing and training Telemachus the way that she and Odysseus did together, was pure fantasy. She'd never even known it was possible to be so utterly kind and gentle while training someone, and that hurt the Royal Family when they realized it.

Wow I got off topic there, my bad. Back to your questions!

For the younger gods, it's because Zeus made them complicit in it. They were part of the reason Athena and Apollo were abused for so long. Because Zeus pitted them against each other so they wouldn't have anyone they could go to for help. Ares and Artemis in-particular are disgusted with themselves because they were actively hostile to the two people that should have been their other halves. All because of a man that none of them had even truly trusted.

And the older gods are even worse off. The fact that Zeus was able to do something that many of them felt was worse than what Kronos had done, for thousands of years, all directly under their noses is genuinely sickening to them. Poseidon and Hestia in-particular blame themselves for what Athena and Apollo suffered.

Poseidon because he banished Athena from Atlantis after Pallas's death. He was the one who made her return to Olympus, even though he knew that Triton didn't want her banished. So to now find out, more than 3000 years later, that not only was Athena the weapon and not the killer, but that banishing her sent her directly back into the hands of the man that turned her into that weapon in the first place? He's horrified and disgusted and also desperately wishing that he could go back in time and punch himself in the face. He was horrible to Athena after what happened to Pallas and he knows that. He was already ashamed of how he treated her, so to learn she was suffering through all of this on top of it? He's definitely cursing himself for his foolishness.

Hestia is absolutely sickened by what Zeus did to Apollo and Athena. She hates him on a level that up until that point had been reserved solely for Kronos. And she blames herself because as Goddess of Family, the Hearth, and Home, she should have been able to tell that Athena and Apollo didn't consider Zeus family, that they didn't view Olympus as their home. She should have realized what was happening right under her nose, but she didn't. And her niece and nephew, her own family, both suffered for thousands of years for it.

Am I implying that even so long after Odysseus, Penelope, and Telemachus's deaths Athena and Apollo both still consider the palace in Ithaca their real home? Yes, yes I am.

And this is all happening around roughly the same time frame as my Chthonic Athena AU, so like 30 to 40 years after the second Giant War.

Athena is much older than Apollo in this AU. She's Zeus's very first child, so she's older than everyone on the Council except Zeus, his siblings, and Aphrodite. Apollo is actually one of Zeus's youngest children here, with only Hermes and Dionysus being younger than him.

So Athena's time in Atlantis was a very strange mix of banishment and diplomatic visit. The royal families; basically Zeus, Hera, Athena, Poseidon, Amphirite, Triton, and Pallas, all know that Athena was essentially being banished. But everyone else was told that she was there for an extended diplomatic visit because of her status as Zeus's only child.

And there is a gap between Athena's birth and when she's sent to Triton. It's roughly a century, or about a hundred years. Enough for her to still be very young by godly standards, but old enough for Zeus's excuse to make sense when combined with her domains.

And remember how I said Athena is the oldest? Yeah, it's by about 500 years. More than enough time for Zeus to really get his claws into her even with her time in Atlantis.

And you are exactly right on why Zeus sent her to Atlantis. He wanted her there because he wanted a weapon in the heart of Poseidon's kingdom when they went to war. And that's exactly why he forced her to kill Pallas.

Zeus wanted to go to war with Poseidon. He wanted an excuse to attack Atlantis. And with Athena killing Pallas, who was not only Poseidon's only grandchild, but also a princess of Atlantis as Triton's child, and in line for the throne should Poseidon and Triton ever fade, he was absolutely certain that Poseidon would declare war first. Or at bare minimum keep Athena as a prisoner and give him an excuse to do so.

But Triton put a stop to all that, and Zeus hates him for it. Triton's obvious love for Athena not only stopped Poseidon from taking her prisoner, but he didn't even want her banished. According to Atlantian law*, as the one who lost a child, Triton should have been the one to decide Athena's punishment. But Poseidon overruled him with the power of his position as King and banished her before Triton got the chance to decide.

*That I'm totally making up for story purposes

Triton didn't even get the chance to speak with Athena before she was sent back to Olympus, so he never got to hear what happened from her point of view. As a matter of fact, no one in Atlantis did. Poseidon didn't want to hear what she had to say, too enraged at the death of his granddaughter, so he sent her away immediately.

But let's lighten things up a little bit since these got pretty heavy.

Pallas and Athena once fought Triton together and actually managed to beat him. He was so proud that he insisted on throwing a feast and had Athena wear his crown for the whole day to show off.

Odysseus once beat Athena in a spar and she did the same thing, giving him her cape and even letting him keep it.

It had protection magic weaved into it and Odysseus, with Athena's help, made it into Telemachus's baby blanket. It became a family heirloom that was passed down for generations, and when the last of their descendants died, she started using it for her own children.

Athena helped Odysseus carve his and Penelope's wedding bed into the olive tree where they met, blessing it and putting protections on it so it would be all but impervious to mortal damage.

Athena actually attended Odysseus and Penelope's wedding in disguise, blessing their union.

She also blessed their promise rings* when Odysseus was forced to go to war, making it so that as long as one of them** was wearing theirs, they would both always know that the other was still alive.

*As far as I could find, the ancient Greeks didn't use rings to specifically symbolize marriage, but rather as a token to show love and affection.

**Because wearing a wedding ring on the battlefield is a great way to lose it or get yourself killed***, especially when it's not made from modern more durable materials.

***You know I'm right, no matter how romantic it is. Having it on a chain is begging to get choked with it, and trying to punch somebody with it on increases the likelihood of breaking a knuckle or something.

Telemachus once called Athena Mom* while half asleep and she was really touched by it. Penelope wasn't even mad about it because he'd already told her and Odysseus that he saw Athena that way. They were just surprised that he'd actually said it to her face.

*Or the ancient Greek equivalent that I can't find right now

So yeah, thanks for the ask!!! I love answering questions like these, and hopefully you don't mind the lighter parts at the end!!

[disappointed-time-traveller]

Even if their relationship was entirely platonic there is still no heterosexual explanation for Pallas and Athena imo. What I mean by that is their whole friendship started because of their defiance of gender rolls through mutual love of battles and sports, and i know it's a stretch but... that is definitely a friendship built on a shared experience of queerness and you can pry that headcanon out of my cold dead hands!

[strangerwheelerthings]

Why did this scene of all things, immediately make me realize Annabeth Chase and Nancy Wheeler are basically the same person.

Them: *deadly group leaders with big brains*

Also Them: *in the middle of a serious quest* DOGGY!

[last-of-the-lot]

Okay so I have been obsessed with EPIC for a while now, and I was scrolling recently and found this little snippet floating around. Looking at the person made me think of Vex'ahlia from Critical Role, which immediately made me think of a Critical Role/Epic AU.

But instead of the normal dynamic of Odysseus and Penelope my brain immediately defaulted to Percy being the one waiting at home and making this challenge to the suitors to string Vex's old bow. And like... I don't argue with my brain when it comes to creativity. Then it started to snowball. I do not need to write an AU right now, but it won't leave my head.

Oooooh I have so many thoughts.

[aikya-kat-44]

Pallas and Athena

*Shyly drops doodle of Pallas' death and runs away*