#Anti hinata

[awinterrosesstuff]

I came across a post of a Hinata fan talking about taijutsu skills. According to this person, Hinata could win against Tsunade. And I don't know what to make of this. Are they really this delusional ? Hinata can't even dream of being on Tsunade's level. My girl literally broke the susano'o (twice) and Madara admitted that her power was greater than the raikage. When did Hinata do anything that impressive ? And I'm not only talking about Naruto, but also the last and Boruto.

How am I supposed to believe she can win against Tsunade ? What is she going to do against her durability, her power, her strength and her intelligence ? I still have to see Hinata doing anything smart in a fight...

[sourinartt]

that nh criticizes ss's marriage is so curious , what makes them think that theirs is fine and there is love?

well.... we know that boruto took care of nh by putting thousands of fillers where they are a happy family and naruto feels comfortable being there

"sarada criticizes her parents' marriage, showing that there is no love there, sasuke doesn't want to see his family, much less his wife"

and boruto didn't do it?

boruto, like sarada, is responsible for letting you know that both naruto and sasuke are not interested in their relatives or how they feel about their absence at home

At the beginning, boruto is like a hyena with rage because his father does not spend time at home, he misses important dates like birthdays and does not have time for him, he also doesn't have time for his wife because at sasuke's call, naruto ran away and didn't want any of her food, which was sent by his son.

The thing with nh is that it is more subtle than ss, because sasuke can freely express his emotions in the face of displeasure with sakura, but naruto can't, he is different, naruto will be good because hnt is not mean to him, apart from the fact that he was literally forced to marry her, his friends called him stupid for not paying attention to her, add to that the fact that naruto suffers from social pressure, so if the world wanted him to marry the first woman naruto liked, he won't say no.

but being nice and social pressure won't make naruto feel comfortable being there either.

naruto is not comfortable in his office working all the time, but he also doesn't want to go home because he is not comfortable there either, when he is at home, he sleeps away from his family and he feels bored with his wife crying over a romance novel, (pst, this is so funny because nh really swears that naruto spends romantic time with hnt but the reality is that, she watching romantic movies and naruto bored being with her, naruto won't give she anything like that lol)

Another thing for which ss's marriage is criticized is because sakura makes sarada cry by hitting the ground because she got nervous seeing that her daughter is testing her marriage

crticism is fine, but again, them being criticized by nh is funny because again

boruto also looks for a way to know why his father is not in the house, unlike sarada who cries, boruto gets angry and wants to hit and criticize naruto for this, And like sarada, boruto also seeks explanations from his mother, because she is supposed to be the closest person to his father.... or not?

boruto searches for explanations but what he finds is...

If his mother is crying, because unlike sakura who is aggressive, hnt is not, she is very passive and oblivious to problems, then seeing her son angry about his pathetic marriage Instead of giving him an explanation, all she can do is cry, because, like sakura, she doesn't know her husband, hinata married naruto, but she doesn't know him for who he is hinata only knows naruto because of his fanaticism, she knows him as one more fan of the ones he had when he was young, damn, at least she knows some of naruto's hobbies?

absolutely not, and that's why sasuke must tell naruto's story to boruto to calm his anger against his father

that nh criticizes ss's marriage is hypocritical, because nh is not being different from ss's

[naruto-shipping-confessions]

[asukakuro]

SNS you guys might be sick of the never-ending war between Sakura stans and Hinata stans. Or maybe I’m just paying too much attention to this nonsense. Either way, here’s what I’ve noticed:

1. Hinata Stans

Hinata stans tend to share some traits with their favorite character. They aren’t the confident or confrontational type, but their self-doubt often turns them into either timid pushovers or passive-aggressive haters. In any debate—or even in daily interactions—they obsess over Hinata’s looks, likely because, in the original work, she wasn’t considered particularly attractive. Most of her fans are girls struggling with self-esteem, relating to her shyness and social awkwardness, especially when it comes to talking to their crush.

I once encountered a pro-Hinata anti-Sakura NH shipper who had been face-shamed by Sakura stans. I’m not judging her looks, but I couldn’t help but notice how she treated herself—constantly tearing herself down, which showed in her exhausted expression. She was visibly insecure, yet she spent most of her time online fighting pointless battles and insulting another group of girls, namely Sakura stans. The irony is hard to ignore.

Then there’s the weirdest part: Hinata stans constantly seek validation from dudebros—the kind who only see Hinata as a walking fanservice character. Some of them even join in with these guys to insult Sakura, reducing Hinata to nothing but her body. There’s something painfully sad about watching people with no self-worth grovel for approval from those who will never respect them or their favorite character.

2. Sakura Stans

Sakura stans, while undeniably delusional at times, at least have some self-respect—unlike Hinata stans, who are willing to accept any crumbs of validation from toxic straight men. Their inflated egos make them a dominant force in the fandom, to the point where even their haters have to tolerate them.

One strange thing I’ve noticed: a lot of Sakura stans I’ve come across on social media are actually pretty girls. Maybe it’s because Sakura, despite her flaws, fits their fantasy of effortless success—her pink aesthetic and trio dynamics make her an ideal self-insert. But their overconfidence is something else. If Hinata stans are desperate for outside approval, then Sakura stans are the opposite—they genuinely believe the world revolves around them.

[shiningstars-world]

I don't understand why ppl deny Naruto's love for sasuke and believe in such a things like " oh he didn't understand love until he met hinata"

Meanwhile we see multiple times that how much Naruto cares for him...

For instance: sarada is talking about how much is a person who made a lunch box is special

And here we have Boruto who thinks of his mother make that lunch box with love

But guess what? When Naruto receive the lunch box, the only one he's thinking is Sasuke...

Like can kishi be serious?? He made Naruto think about sasuke instead of hinata!!

So sasuke is Naruto's special person and not hinata ... Hope this help

[badgalsasuke]

"If you don't see it, you hate women"

We need to discuss how female characters worth is mostly attached to the ship they belong to. To love those girls you have to love their pairings (only the pairings which associate them with men ofc).

There's actually a lot we can discuss and dissect from the way people react and engage with female characters, particularly female characters that are disliked by a big part, if not the majority of the fandom.

LONG REPLY AHEAD

There's this really interesting phenomenon that's been occurring for the past few years, let's say since late 2018, on social media where women in fandoms that are usually male dominated notice this particular distate for a specific female character and they decide to pity stan. Now before I get into what pity stanning does to the perception of the fandom about a female character I must discuss first how the male fans in the fandom interact with said female character that creates the pity stanning in the first place.

To make my point I will use characters like Sakura Haruno and also Shiv Roy from Succession as examples.

Both characters were deemed as unworthy by male fans and considered to be not-in-the-level-of-their-male-counterparts so we start to see a lot of vitriol against them. Most of this vitriol is very much misogynistic, you will see men calling them useless/dumb bitch, sluts, comments on their bodies either body-shaming them (plank/table for Sakura) or objectifying them like they do to Shiv Roy. What's interesting is that male characters that present the same undesirable writing these two women do, don't get near the same amount of hate, sometimes they're even idolized by the fandom. For example, Kakashi who really doesn't do that much in fights either or Shiv's brothers who are as incompetent as her.

The women in the fandom see this and because they're women that misogyny affects them too, y'know. It gets to the point where you can see men in fandoms use an "acceptable target" to unleash their misogyny and distate or hate for all women. So what happens here? Women in fandom try to shield and protect these female characters from the vitriol because it's also a way to protect themselves from it.

But then another interesting phenomenon happens. Women in fandom become "girls' girls". This is a type of pseudo-feminism where women can't do no wrong and we have to support all women or else we're not a girl's girl and that's the worst thing you could be. This of course, kills your ability to engage critically with media as now you see everything the female character does as her girlbossing her way in the plot. You will also start making stuff up to make them seem greater than they are.

In the case of Sakura she's now the strongest kunoichi ever! founder of a hospital or whatever! smartest member of team 7! she mops the floor with all her enemies!

For Shiv Roy it is that she's the best businessperson in the show, all her brothers are stupid and incompetent but not her! she's different! she mops the floor with all the people she negotiates with!

None of this is true, is made up by the same fans that want to protect them from the fandom's misogyny. Sakura is not that great of a ninja compared to Sasuke and Naruto and she has a bad personality. Shiv is not great at business and is just as dumb as her brothers. A character being like this is okay to happen in media unless you're a girl's girl in fandom.

You want to see that girl you chose to stan win. To get what she wants so you can give the middle finger to the men in the fandom that wronged her.

For Shiv Roy is to become CEO of her father's company (who cares that she never actually worked a day in her life there, she deserves it!). For Sakura is to get Sasuke (who cares if this man genuinely dislikes her deeply, she deserves to have him!).

And this is what I call pity stanning, they felt bad for the characters for the treatment they get so now they're making stuff up, believing it and now adopting this attitude of "you're a misogynist if you don't accept my headcanons that I've convinced myself are canon and you're also a misogynist if you don't want to see my girl win".

Now, before I get into the shipping aspect I want to get into Hinata's character. Unlike Sakura, she's a beloved character by male fans but what I find interesting about her is that she's a total blank canvas that people can project whatever they want onto, including the women who stan her.

I've noticed that for them Hinata represents this Cinderella fairytale, the pretty princess that got the prince charming over her ugly step sisters. This very "you belong with me" scenario of the ugly ducking becoming the most beautiful swan that ends up getting the guy over the rest of the girls. I've also noticed that these women talk abt Hinata in a very "not like other girls" way and this is where their distate for Sakura stems from. Hinata isn't loud, obnoxious and brutish like Sakura, she's quiet, and graceful and polite or whatever, that's why she triumphs over Sakura (on what idk). Women in the Naruto fandom have this bizarre beef comparing these two girls, which I initially didn't get because they don't even want the same man, but then it clicked for me. They want them to be respected by male fans.

Hinata although beloved isn't respected by the men in the fandom, everybody knows she's not a good ninja and outside of their infatuation for her looks and her worship for Naruto, they have nothing to say about her. Sakura well, we already know how it goes. Pretty interesting how what starts as some form of gatekeeping of female characters for "feminist" reasons evolves to the point you're making stuff up about them to get the men in the fandom to like them as people.

So now we get to the shipping part.

There's characters, mostly female characters, that were created centered around a man. This is Sakura's and Hinata's case, the very first thing we learn about Sakura is that she likes Sasuke, the very first thing we learn about Hinata is that she likes Naruto. In Hinata's case some NH shippers brag that we learn she likes Naruto before we even learn her name, how pitiful.

You want to be a girl's girl meaning you want to see them win, meaning you want to see them get the boy they want because there's nothing more for them. It's a package deal, you can't like Sakura if you don't ship Sasusaku, you can't like Hinata if you don't ship Naruhina. It's easier for Sasuke and Naruto stans to dislike Sasusaku and Naruhina because these ships aren't integral to their characters.

Of course, we have Sakura and Hinata stans that want to ship them with someone else because they feel that ship dignifies them (think of Itasaku, Inosaku, Sasuhina, Kibahina, etc.), it does so in the sense they don't seem as obsessive male-centered characters when shipped with characters that aren't the obsession and allows you to create a scenario in which they grow out of it. If you observe how these shippers talk about Sasuke and Naruto is always with a lot of resentment, because how dare they not reciprocate those girls' feelings!!! after everything they've done for them!!!

Basically shipping, at least f/m ships, has become some sort of feminist social activism lol

You can also see how intertwined that f/m ship, that female character but also the shippers own identities are. It becomes personal for them. In a way SS and NH shippers have separated Sakura and Hinata characters from the story, Kishimoto's manga and have instead made them part of their own self. Sakura and Hinata not getting what they want is a loss of identity for them, a personal attack.

Finally, I'd like to add that not all female characters hated by men in fandom are actually dumb and incompetent losers and women in fandom are making shit up about them to make them seem better. Some of these female characters are very much hated just because they're women. Mary Jane Watson from Sam Raimi's Spider-man trilogy is the biggest example

An excellent character with development, background, personality and traits of her own that's hated because how dare Sam Raimi make her a woman with a life beyond the main character Peter Parker and someone who doesn't worship the ground he steps on. They wanted a mindless cheerleader not a three-dimensional character!

She's also the reason why I believe that if Kishimoto had written Hinata beyond her crush for Naruto, men wouldn't like her that much...

[sakuraharuno156]

Hinata obviously loved Naruto from the beginning, but Naruto never loved Sakura, right?

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We all know Hinata loved Naruto FROM THE BEGINNING. How do we know it? Well...

She was blushing when she saw him!

She always thought he was the best and the coolest!

She was smiling at Naruto hugging Sakura, after Pain fight because she just wants him to be happy! That's how REAL love works!

She tried to protect him AT ALL COST!

Everyone had known she loves Naruto!

She EVEN SAID IT DIRECTLY!

LIKE THAT WAS OBVIOUS. We know ALL that. 🙄

BUT

Naruto.... HAS NEVER LOVED SAKURA. NEVER. IT WAS CLEARLY A CRUSH, HE NEVER DID THINGS THAT HINATA DID, COME ON. ONE IS CLEARLY LOVE AND THE OTHER ONE IS BARELY A CRUSH.

Like:

1) He clearly NEVER blushed around her

Not even once.

And even IF (but we all know he didn't) it wouldn't be in Shippuuden, then he was 100% over that "CRUSH"

2) He NEVER thought she was cool

Or even cute

3) Obviously Naruto has NEVER smiled at Sakura hugging Sasuke because NaruSaku was a crush AT BEST, so he never wanted her to be happy with someone else, that's would be LOVE and Naruto never loved her

4) And we obviously know he NEVER cared to protect her by jumping at a 100% stronger opponent... like never happened

5) Noone, not even once, thought Naruto loved Sakura, especially not because Naruto said it

6) And at last, he never said it, because if he did we wouldn't talk about it, right?

LIKE COME ON, ITS OBVIOUS. One is love and the other one is "just a crush"...

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Clearly 🥰

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Fun fact, NaruSaku is not even my OTP, but saying Naruto never loved Sakura is a CRIME 🤷‍♀️.

[leportraitducadavre]

You know there’s a weird connection between the fandom’s perceived idea of “good writing” and their personal feelings about specific characters. “I like this character, therefore, they’re well written” and viceversa, “I dislike this character, therefore, they’re badly written” ���I’ve seen this in many fandoms and with different characters, but there’s no fandom where this is more noticeable than in the “anti Sakura” portion of the audience.

Before we start, let me be clear on something: I don’t personally like Sakura, I don’t consider myself a fan of hers (or her stans, which are just as annoying as Hinata’s), nor I believe she’s the “heroine” of a story that has no room for a character with such status (I’ve said this before, Naruto is the hero and Sasuke is the antagonist -there’s no necessity nor space for anyone else as Sakura is merely the female character with most panel time, yet she doesn’t move the plot forward and she isn’t relevant to the development of other key characters, as most of them completely ignore her existence).

“Likeability” isn’t a determining factor when it comes to labelling a character “well” or “badly” written, such notion relies on subjective factors which makes it impossible to objectively determine the overall value of a character inside a story.

The most important factor to label a character “goodly written” has more to do with how well they represent their theological narrative. For instance, Danzo -who I genuinely despise, is amazingly written, as he spot on tackles the subject of extreme-nationalistic world view, while Itachi -on the other hand, is sort-of all over the place as he subscribes to Danzo’s ideology and defends it with the same actions, yet Kishimoto desperately wanted to keep him inside the “good guys” group, which ultimately failed and took down anything Itachi might have had going for him (besides other inconsistencies as he’s presented as a genius who made nothing but mistake after mistake). There’s a reason why the antagonists are often the ones with the best characterizations, as they aren’t tied to been “morally correct” or “likeable” in order to reflect their thematic plot, which is why the better characters in Naruto happen to be Uchiha (Sasuke, Obito, Madara).

Sakura has no weight inside the plot, as she is mostly used for support of either Naruto and (to a lesser extent) Sasuke, she stands narratively in the same spectrum as most “good” characters of the show, so she’s thematically not much more relevant than the rest of K-11; yet she’s given more depth than many other characters, as she’s a layered character of whom we see both her strengths and flaws, something we can’t say for other characters, such as Hinata.

In the Hyüga princess™’s case, her personality is mostly one dimensional as she is a thematic piece used to deepen Neji’s character. In case you haven’t noticed, she was constructed in opposition to him: She needs to be shy in order for Naruto to take pity on her when Neji insults her (as Neji is mostly arrogant and outspoken), she’s comically bad because Neji is a prodigy, she’s “a freak” (said by Naruto himself) because Neji isn't, she’s a slave owner because Neji is her slave, and so on –the only thing she has that wasn’t built in order to oppose her cousin was her infatuation with Naruto, something she makes a priority.

Everything we “know” about Hinata was mostly fandom-made, Hinata is shy and soft spoken, why is she considered “nice”? We never saw her worrying about anyone but Naruto: She was glad Kiba lost his match and offered Naruto the ointment to treat his wounds, she diminished her cousin’s trauma and endorsed the oppressive system of her clan, we never see her visiting Kiba after he returned from his mission to bring Sasuke back to Konoha (something we see Ino and Sakura do with their respective teammates, and while Hinata was recovering from Neji’s attack, she had enough strength to train and go see the Chünin Exams final stage, at no point is mentioned she was bed-ridden, as Sasuke had enough time to recover from Gaara’s attack before escaping the village), she thought about Naruto’s warm hand seconds after her cousin died and she was the only character not shown to be glad about Shikamaru being alive as we saw her pouting and thinking about how much she wanted to be beside Naruto. Furthermore, is there any scene in which she appears where she’s not thinking or talking about Naruto or where he is not the main focus?

How come a character designed to be nothing more than support (for Neji and Naruto, as her infatuation with him was built in order to have some oppositional force to the idea of “nobody likes him”, as Naruto has an unrequited love for Sakura during the whole duration of the manga) is “better written” than Sakura, who despite herself being also support she has far more thematically ground to move around (Kishimoto explores through her different themes, even if they aren’t relevant to the plot itself, such as romantical obsession, low self-esteem and the decisions/characteristics that are driven by it, female friendship, and few others).

Honest question: It’s her sad background reason enough to like Hinata? Do you truly need a “compelling” backstory in order to claim a character is “better written” than others? Sakura was bullied because she was shy, Hinata -being the Hyüga heir, wasn’t shown to suffer the same fate at the hands of her classmates. Think about it this way, while Sakura was being bullied and had to be helped by Ino, Hinata was being trained by her father and witnessing Hiashi torture her uncle while Neji cried, helpless! –and just a few years later, she used that exact knowledge to insult him! So she’s not really that nice after all!

What is it with the obsession of both fandoms with the idea of “potential” and how, apparently, they were “robbed of it” (what “potential”? When did Hinata even hint at improving her fighting techniques? She was defeated every single time! When did Sakura, who canonically has a smaller chakra pool than both Sasuke and Naruto, have the possibility of surpass literally Ashura and Indra’s reincarnations? Them having more panel time will mean absolutely nothing as we’ll see them doing the exact same thing we already see them do only twice as much. “Potential” is about exploring a latent ability of them, Hinata has none and Sakura’s chakra flux control was properly exploited!).

There’s more to say about this, but I’m honestly tired at this point…

[gaydinosaurbananamilkcarton]

narusaku is a gross ship, she treats him like her brother. Sasusaku is a toxic ship, sasuke doesn't deserve sakura. Naruhina is a boring ship, it's like they don't even like each other. Kibahina would've been better. Sakura, naruto, and sasuke probably should've been alone💀 narusasu isn't a bad ship, I just don't like it. If sakura was with anyone, ino would've been better. I only like sasusaku because of Sarada, but we all can admit that sasuke was a piece of shit even after they got together.

[awinterrosesstuff]

Personally, I like the Hinata Hyuga from Road to Ninja a little better.

Hi anon !

It's been a while since I watched this movie. She has, at least, a more defined personality than canon Hinata (bold, assertive, and confident, honest, extravert) but her obsession with Naruto looks even worse (being rude to Sakura/fighting over him). Actually, she's rude to everyone who isn't Naruto/Menma.

I don't remember having any particular opinion of her. But I can understand your point. It's true she sounds more... I don't know how to say that ? Not bland ?

[sourinartt]

nh/hnt fans being completely disgusting is unbelievable, they even surpass their craziness every day

showing homophobia and misogyny because there are people who say that hnt's character meets with patriarchal stereotypes

leave aside that her crush on a boy causes her to be a terrible character, (and yeah, it reinforces a patriarchal idea)these people are calling sns misogynistic but they downgrade their favorite to a girl who gets married

most of the answers are "hnt marries naruto, she won" as if it were a good thing?? what if the guy married your favorite girl out of pity and now she lives crying because he abandoned her I don't understand where the importance of her winning and sasuke not staying with naruto...

they talk about marriage as if Kishimoto didn't mention that marriage is a punishment for naruto to reward hnt

"l love misandrist women" LMAOO are you guys serious? her character is literally a total man-worshipper, she ditches her sister for a man, ditches her family and bodyguard for a man and she even neglects her daughter to be behind that man. what misandric woman are you talking about? If she were misandric, she wouldn't be loved by dudebros first of all

Calling sns a fetishist because they call sasuke with female pronouns is funny to me, they fetishize the gender roles that nh has but ok?

say“just let sasuke be a boyy” in response to people feminizing sasuke. they’ll complain it’s mischaracterizing, as if

1. his gender expression would dramatically change his personality

2. he’s some ultra masculine character canonically?

He’s associated with common symbols of femininity, like yin, the moon, snakes. He has soft features and is drawn to be a bishonen, and was mistaken as a baby girl by kushina. they will bring up heteronormativity, saying we just want sasuke to be a woman in our ship becauseof course, femininity = woman. Doing crazy logic to basically claim gender nonconformity is actually regressive in contrast to what, a masc4masc relationship? As if irl masc4masc gay men dont discriminate against feminine gay men bc of their own internalized homophobia/misogyny

naruto/sasuke being hypothetically feminized in fanon explorations, doesn't make the dynamic heteronormative. queer people reapporiate the social constructs of feminity and masculinity outside of the patriarchal cishetero dyad, it's expansive and resists normative expectations of gender. feminine men and masculine women are not being actively fostered by society, and that's why there are countless stories of feminine gay men and masculine lesbian women, in particular being killed and hate crimed by bigots.

they are also obsessed with sex, thinking like nh always has it because "they have two children" but of course, sns can't publish fanarts, some meme or some content like that because they fetishize!

I still remember how obsessed they were when naruto and hnt were in another dimension because in their heads they would fuck and make the "red-haired uzumaki". talking all the time about how nh fucks, but if sns talks about how beautiful their relationship is, how they love each other...it's just fetish....

reminds me...

although they consider sns as misogynistic, it won't change that hnt's character is for the male consumer, as her character only revolves around one man and nothing else. "She- she decided to be a housewife!" no? She's a fictional character, and her creator, a misogynistic and sexist man, chose for her to remain a housewife. he even says that if you like hnt, it's because of her big breasts.

and even if they want to defend her by making her a boss, it doesn't change the fact that she is a submissive doormat... which even feminist women have criticized.

[ultfreakme]

The Naruto fandom has an odd tendency to take underwritten female characters and focus on making them morally unquestionable rather than actually engaging with the characters for what they are and giving them depth. Like there's foundation here for complex, different stories but it always lands on "she's perfect and always correct". Which is.......boring, uninspired, and feels about as misogynistic as Kishomoto. This on top of trying to make the female characters the image of perfection in the eyes of deeply corrupt system, unwilling to examine the rot in Konoha.

This is because the fandom as a whole has no interest in engaging with the abhorrent politics in the show which villainizes any critique or push back against Konoha's "Will of Fire".

I doubt I'm the first person to point out how everyone's oh-so horrified about Zabuza saying he became a ninja by killing all his classmates, then flash-forward 5 episodes and our main gang is being put in a forest which forces them to kill each other & crippling children permanently. It's fine guys! Because Will of Fire!

Hinata exemplifies my conundrum. Despite the anime's efforts to make her into A Character of Significance, she's nothing without Neji. She exists to highlight him, and she simply cannot stand on her own without the commentary Neji brings.

Which is like, fine. Tenten exists like that. She's the assigned Girl of the Squad. But highlighting Neji and his story in Part 1 makes Hinata into a terrible person in the context of Naruto as a show. The show does a lot of work in establishing the significance of the clans and the power they hold in Konoha. This is crucial. The discrimination the Uchihas faced led to genocide and is the main motivation for our secondary protagonist.

The Hyuuga clan discrimination creates a good base to work off of but building Hinata would mean writing a female character, but more importantly, examining the politics of the world that has been set up, which the show has been avoiding like the plague after Land of Waves. The fandom completely disregards the clan system discrimination which is an IMPORTANT aspect of the show, and essential to the world-building, instead making Hinata into a "nice girl who's super-duper strong yay feminism!". And that's it. The elephant in this porcelain storage room is ignored.

It's not even actually engaging with the character in any capacity. Boiling them down to a laundry list of achievements and the vague label of "morally correct" is not better than what the actual show does. Some of the best written female characters are horribly flawed (literally everyone in She-Ra, G.L.O.W, Legend of Korra, Claymore, etc). And on top of that their "perfection" is always in context of comparison to the male characters of the show. "Sakura's too good for [insert whichever male character" or "Hinata's so good, even more than [insert other male character]".

Maybe it's because this is a fandom which came about during the 2000s and a majority of the people in it were children when they first watched it, but it's genuinely painful to see the fandom still be at Feminism 101. There IS a middle ground between praising every woman to high heavens to the point it's nauseating and bashing a female character solely for the purpose of hating.

The problem with the way Hinata, Sakura or whoever the hell is written isn't just about misogyny, and it won't be fixed by giving them magic power-ups and pitting them against each other in some weird match-up of "best kunoichi", "best medic", "best taijutsu fighter". That is entirely unimportant.

I have read mangas where the FMC has no friends, no special skill that makes her stand out, the story doesn't make her into a shining beacon of anything but she was deeply compelling and well-written because she worked with what she had, and the aspect assigned to her were thoroughly explored.

What does it even mean to be the best kunoichi or whatever the fuck when the character does nothing in the main story?

This isn't even a Naruto specific problem tbh. Arcane, DC Comics, practically every fandom I've been does a half-assed attempt at engaging with the politics of the art they're seeing. It's giving Lockheed Martin putting up pride flags and going "we support the gays <3" and sending horrific weapons to massacre and cleanse innocent people.

A lot of Naruto fandom seems to think that Naruto & Konoha are in the right, because the "good guys" keep talking about the Will Of Fire, which mandates people to:

Have 12 yr olds die for them

Genocide an entire clan after falsely accusing them of a thing they had no part in

Letting people discriminate against shinobi based on bloodline and social position

Killing without questioning order

Doing whatever it takes to "protect Konoha" whereas even slight digressions against Konoha are seen as threats that rewquire utter eradication

The show's wrong. Your main character is wrong. It's not even intentional on the writers' part after Part 1. They're just fucking wrong and suck at this.

[maoam]

It’s baffling how Sakura or Hinata stans don’t realize they are treated the same by the narrative. They bash the other girl and are able to pick up all the unflattering moments and red flags, but when it comes to their favorite, it’s like all those basic observation skills just disappear into thin air.

I mean look at this:

Sakura hesitates, but decides to act on her selfish feelings (of needing to be on par with Naruto and Sasuke and to have them, especially Sasuke, look at her) and charges at the enemy despite not having a plan nor knowing about Madara’s true powers.

This act served no purpose other than to satisfy her own ego and to have Sasuke look at her.

No surprise, she gets immediately stabbed without making any damage to the enemy, and needs to be saved. Right after this scene, she is shown to be shooked by Madara’s powers while Naruto and Sasuke are fighting him. She had no idea what she was doing. She overrestimates her own abilities constantly.

She fails to be useful when it comes to doing damage to the enemy.

She is ignored by the object of her affection whose attention she desperately wanted. He wasn’t concerned for her at all, even Sakura realised it, and Kishimoto went out of his way to point this out.

I repeat, she was ignored by the guy whose attention she wanted and this was high lighted by Kishimoto.

Hinata hesitates for multiple pages, and is directly told that she would only cause Naruto trouble if she interfered, but decides to act on her selfish feelings (her need to confess her love to Naruto and to have him look at her) and charges at the enemy with no plan.

This act served no purpose other than to talk about her feelings and have her crush’s attention on her. She actually put the whole village and Naruto in danger.

She gets immediately one-paneled without making any damage to the enemy, and needs to be saved.

She fails to be useful when it comes to doing damage to the enemy.

She is ignored by the object of her affection whose attention she wanted. Naruto doesn’t even go talk to her, to him it’s enough she didn’t die.

I repeat, she was ignored by the guy whose attention she wanted, and this was high lighted by Kishimoto.

But the stans will not see any of this somehow. The similar patterns go right over their head. And this is not even the only similarity you can find in the text.

[sasucaty]

"fuck konohars" we all say in unison.

[sakuraharuno156]

I really don't understand the hypocrisy of some Naruto fans - a rant. Part 3

(Trigger warning - anti Hinata)

The things that I have seen in the Fandom really make me question people's ability to read.

PART 13

(I want to provide manga as a proof, but Tumblr has a limit of pictures i can add, so I'll do it in parts)

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The nicest person in the series according to Hinata fans:

(Aka rubbing in her cousins face that he is a slave and essentially pushing him into being punished (even tho he asked her many times to just give up) because her crush was watching)

Cannonicaly THE NICES character in Naruto:

(Aka the person that was called the nicest time and time again)

A person who loses intentionally, because they are too nice according to Hinata fans:

(Aka just being weaker than someone. The "she is too nice to fight with her sister" argument is just wishful thinking. That was NEVER stated in manga.)

A person that CANNONICALY cannot hurt someone because they are too nice:

(Aka the person that couldn't even hurt an enemy, because of memories that he had with Asuma when he was still alive)

The most beautiful female character, according to Hinata fans:

(Aka the canonicaly invisible girl!)

The most beautiful female character CANNONICALY:

(Aka TSUNADE, canonicaly the most beautiful woman on the planet)

Strongest Hyuga member/head of the Hyuga clan according to Hinata fans:

(Aka the girl who lost all her battles)

Strongest hyuga member CANNONICALY:

(Aka Neji, who at 13 canonicaly surpassed the whole Hyuga clan)

The head of the hyuga clan CANNONICALY:

(Aka Hiashi - that never changed)

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To "prove" their point, they use datatbooks (essentially a guaid through the series) that are notorious for getting things wrong and stating stupid stuff like:

Choji has the most powerful jutsu (when we know Naruto and bijuu dama exists).

Sakura being an "elite junin by birth" (when we know she was from a civilian family and was born noone).

Kurenai having just as strong Genjutsu (or in some translations EVEN STRONGER) than Kakashi (when we know what she did or rather didn't do against Itachi)

Kakashi being stronger than Guy in first part (when we know that Guy was already able to use 8 gates and Kakashi was barely able to get Mangekyo)

Etc.

Or even funnier, they use wishful thinking and their own imagination!

They think Hinata is nice so therefore she didn't lose to Hanabi - SHE WAS JUST TOO NICE TO FIGHT WITH HER, and then they repeated it until other people think that it's too popular to be fake so they take it as a fact.

Or EVEN EVEN FUNNIER - they choose what facts are true and what facts are fake.

I even met a Hinata fan that said that databooks are 100% true, but when translation is right.

How do they know what is right? Do they speak Japanese? No. The ones that support their claims are true but the ones that don't are obvious FAKE.

(EVEN when I showed them two statements from the same page - they said that "one is well translated and the other is false". ON THE SAME F*CKING PAGE)

One day I'm seriously gonna lose it.

[narutouzumakiarchive]

Do you think naruhina/hinata is better than sasusaku/sakura?

No. I think Hinata is just as bad a character as Sakura, and NH is just as bad as SS. But this has been discussed to hell and back, so I'll just leave it at that. Both fandoms steal from SNS canon moments for a reason.