#Anti frozen

[icedsodapop]

My sister is rewatching Frozen 2 on her day off and it's attempts at tackling settler colonialism and racial reconciliation is soooo questionable. If I wanted to watch a movie that touches upon settler colonialism, feelings of alienation and being different in much better ways and features a pair of sisters, Lilo and Stitch is right there??

[fandomshatepeopleofcolor]

Frozen could have a 3rd and 4th movie, two shorts, a holiday special, a live action musical and two short series focusing on Olaf the snowman but Tiana couldn't even get her own series without it being shelved at the last minute? I know I shouldn't be surprised by this considering the rollback of dei policies but this is still complete utter bullshit

#JusticeforTiana, #GiveTianaHerOwnSeries, #TianaDeservesBetter are some suggestions for hastags if anyone wants to use them

[misscoolisback123]

Barbie 2023 is Tangled, and Wicked 2024 is Frozen. One gets favored over the other.

After Tangled was released, people liked it or hated it. When Frozen came out, people were praising it while others loathed it. Barbie 2023 is the same way. But at the same time, it's on the same level as Legally Blonde, in which people didn't like the message of the movie in the early 2000s, but are wrong about it now. Unfortunately, though, Barbie 2023 might get the same treatment. Wicked, however, like Frozen is somehow completely flawless. Tangled and Barbie get picked apart by the stupidest things. Supposedly, Mother Gothel is an antisemitic stereotype. She's not. She was modeled after Cher. Burlesque came out the same year, and she looked like Cher in that movie. I respect Jewish people. But I don't see anything antisemitic about Gothel. If the theory that Gothel is the evil queen from Snow White, then the evil queen isn't antisemitic either. Barbie gets ripped apart because of the fact that the movie takes jabs at radfems and terfs who believe she's the devil. But Frozen and Wicked are somehow exempt from this.

[the-chemist-1138]

Disney's Frozen is a testament to how many ideas were wasted. And how little in common it has with the source material.

If you read it's inspiration, "The Snow Queen", by Hans Christian Anderson, you can see just how little in common Disney's Cash Cow has with that fairy tale. The fairy tale had so many elements that for some reason, Disney either removed, or changed so much, it might as well been removed...

A grand adventure, worthy of The Hero's journey, not just through the snow. We Start out with our two protagonists. Two youngsters named Kai and Gerda. A Boy and a Girl.

A grand scope of different visuals. A working class village, a vast and colorful flower garden, a grand castle with moving shadows of dreams, a golden carriage, a decayed Robber fortress, a reindeer ride under a sky lit up by northern lights. An Ice Palace.

You already have two characters of equal importance that Disney could have used to appeal to both girls and boys.

Plus, with Kai loving Roses and not being bothered with being best friends with a girl, something taboo in 1844 when the original fairy tale was written, Disney could have been bold and encouraged boys and girls to be platonically intimate, and they could have told boys that it's okay to have feminine interests, to be softies and that you don't have to see every girl as only a potential romantic partner.

For Gerda, you could show girls that you aren't forced to see boys as only romantic partners, and you could have made Gerda a Tomboyish Disney Princess, given her adventurous spirit, determination, and her willingness to get her hands dirty, while also contrasting previous princesses by having her be working class, and not being the damsel, but instead the rescuer, for someone she knows well and loves platonically already, instead of a prince.

Although if Disney decided to make them a couple in adulthood, you could at least make it a "Childhood Friend Romance", not unlike Simon and Nala.

If Disney wanted to poke fun at the "You can't marry a man you just met." You can counter it by having Gerda and Kai, as mentioned before, be adults that know each other well from being childhood friends, thus knowing each other and having a healthy relationship.

In the original fairy tale, Kai gets kidnapped by The Snow Queen. Gerda is the girl saving the boy in this case. You could show boys that it's okay to need saving, and it's not a weakness to need help. Plus Disney could have made jokes where they point out the gender reversed damsel in distress scenario.

For Gerda, you could also show her receiving help, to show a woman being helped out by OTHER WOMEN, and that it's okay to not be perfect and that you don't need to be a lone wolf.

Disney had a great roster of female characters from various walks of life, all of whom have their own goals and agency. More detail is made on another person's blog here. In short, Frozen ends up ber much LESS feminist friendly than the source material.

Plus, the fairy tale had a lesbian coded robber girl! Whom Disney could have made into their first openly gay female character.

The Snow Queen could have been a mysterious anti villain whose goals are intentionally made unclear. To contrast with previous Disney Villains.

Nobody dies in the original fairy tale, so you don't have to alter it much.

You could still emphasize the importance of platonic love. in this case, between a boy and girl, without them being related.

How did Disney reject all of those ideas? How did it take them since the 1930s to try and adapt this story? It was like they were presented with a bottle of high quality vodka... That they proceeded to water down, until the vodka gave up and turned itself into lukewarm water. Why Disney? Why didn't you use any of these ideas?

[darkcrowprincess]

I hate the frozen movies, other than Elsa (and Hans)and her songs. It's over rated and annoying. And doesn't follow the real fairy tale. Plus its being disrespectful to the original disney movies at times. Poking fun at them. Also I just find Anna annoying and Kristoff not my favorite love interest.

I'm not a big fan of Encanto either. The only new Disney movies I like are Luca

Turning Red, but that one gives me so much second hand embarrassment its hard to watch

And Elemental. God do I love how cute and romantic that one is. Plus the animation is so fucking creative and beautiful. Need to do a rewatch!

(Don't like don't read. Post hate and I'll block you)

[fancylala4]

I hated what they did with Elsa’s character in frozen 2. It also didn’t make sense at all. In frozen, she cared so much about Anna and will do anything. I’m frozen 2, she doesn’t seem to care that much about Anna. In fact, it’s Anna looking out and over worrying about Elsa when it should be the other way around. I also hated how she got away with some of the messed up things she did to Anna. Elsa put Anna and Olaf in danger by putting them in a boat. Both Anna and Olaf were angry at Elsa for doing this. Did they say anything about this to Elsa? Nope, they are all good with each other when they meet up again.

Not only that, she doesn’t seem to care about leaving her kingdom alone and letting her sister take over. I think it should be a huge problem for Elsa to leave because she was raised to lead the kingdom.

I understand that some people go through changes and that goals change with time. However, frozen 2 doesn’t seem to do that with Elsa. It’s like she becomes a totally different character.

[ozziescribbler]

There sure are Disney movies I could potentially hate with more burning passion than Frozen, but nobody ever went full-on delulu about Black Cauldron being genuinely 100% good.

[painted-starlight]

Frozen 3 is officially in development 🙃 girl we are doomed

Yeah, I heard too. It's just like, the second movie was screaming "This is it people, it's all over!" "Pack your bags, we're done with Frozen".

Elsa and Anna no longer live together (though Elsa visits), Anna is getting married to Kristoff, and Elsa find out where her powers come from and how their parents died.

Frozen 2 was actually quite strict about tying up their loose ends so they didn't have to make a third movie now that I think about it.

People with other elemental powers to add to the lore? Nope, Elsa's just special and the only one I guess. No more movies please.

More information about the parents, the secrets they kept and what extremes they were willing to go to to keep Elsa's powers a under control? Sure, but only in a way where they were actually perfect parents and didn't need to be confronted, no need to look further (totally all Elsa's fault for being "different"🙄 btw).

I'm just not sure what more they can do with the story. They certainly can't ignore the previous movie or act like it never happened.

And this is just a weird conspiracy theory, but at the very least I think we're going to get another Elsa transformation dress because her new outfit...maybe it's not being received too well and they want to market a new outfit for her too?

At first I saw her dress/design all the time on merchandise and cosplays when the movie came out, but in the long run it's not very merchandisable or recognizable from a distance for products. Elsa's character design really demands a splash of color to make her stand out.

[dani-luminae]

According to Behind the Attraction, Disney Imagineers were already thinking of replacing Maelstrom with Frozen Ever After... before Frozen even came to theaters???

If that's a fib, it's a stupid fib to spread, nonsensical at best.

If it's the truth, that just pisses me off even more. Means they really looked at a beloved ride with incredible atmosphere, storytelling, and a devoted fanbase and immediately were thinking "hmm, how can we shove a princess in here?"

[clairedelune-13]

Confession: I did not enjoy Frozen. The only thing I “liked” was Elsa’s banger song and bitchin’ ice queen style.

Everything else I barely remember.

And Olaf? Fuck him. He was not funny. I wanted him to melt.

[technicallydelightfulpenguin]

To be honest he is the only relatable character than Asmodeus and Beelzebub.

Also, in my rewrite he isn't the Mammon, he is another Ars Goetian demon, like Ozzie and Honeyal.

"I honestly love Mammon and wish he wasn't in Helluva Boss. Because I love the "Arachnid Aussie Jester" thing he has going on, but I hate how he's handled; I hate his crush on Levi because it's undeveloped and comes out of nowhere with no indication of him being attracted to our having a crush on them previously. I hate how they make him seem childish and dumb despite being alive and keeping his throne for centuries. If he's a Jester, shouldn't he also have witty comebacks instead of the disaster squabble he had with Bee? Get my boy out of that show..."

Submitted by @jenny-dolling

[strwbrrs-r-nice]

- The Spirit And The Queen -

You better count yourself lucky that the Queen is benevolent, for the spirit will do as she asks, and no soul wishes to face the wrath of the Fifth Spirit.

i’ve always wanted to draw them as darker/scarier versions of themselves, and i finally did! shoutout to the following edits on tiktok that inspired me to make this:

kavmee.ae // aurelia // nicki

alternate version under the cut

[the-chemist-1138]

Given that the plot revolves around magic, and a girl saving her boy best friend, Echoes Of Wisdom feels like a better adaptation of "The Snow Queen" than Disney's Frozen.

[an6elic-d3vil]

Ok guys so I just rewatched frozen (yes at my big age) and you know that scene where Anna goes to visit Elsa in her ice palace and they’re arguing and Anna is like talking to Elsa, but Elsa is low-key having a mental breakdown and she’s going through it trying to get Anna stop and then it gets to a point where she can’t take it anymore and then she accidentally has an magical outburst and she accidentally hurt Anna. Why did that remind me of Tamlin and Feyre ? I don’t know, I just thought that needed to be shared with you guys 

[the-chemist-1138]

If anything, The story that inspired Frozen, 'The Snow Queen', is a rather heartwarming (literally even) tale. It is about a close platonic bond between a boy and a girl. And is one of the few fairytales to have a gender reversed Damsel in distress scenario, with the girl saving the boy.

People who r so desperate to paint every "original" fairy tale as being all super fucked up and dark and edgy are so funny lol. They're all like "The story that inspired Frozen was originally super dark guys–!" NO IT WAS TF NOT BITCH WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ????

[fancylala4]

I did mention before that frozen didn’t make light of the hardship anna and Elsa went through like tangled did with rapunzel. But that ended up being wrong because they did do that with anna. They made fun of her for wanting to be married when she had a valid reason to do it. She was sheltered, alone and had no one to talk to in the movie. Though I don’t think it was as insulting as the jokes making light of the abuse rapunzel went through, it was still bad and caused most of the audience to not take the hardships Anna went through in the movie seriously. They see her as a dumbass who wanted to get married for no reason because that’s how the movie treated her.