#Anti Stolas

[friendlyfire454]

Honnestly.....

MAMMON>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The other deadly sins

Only bc he actually acts like an deadly sin.

[v0id-clawz]

I knew that Ghostfuckers scene was familiar...

[flower-boi16]

I personally disagree with the claims that Stolas is a coercive rapist. I don't want to start an argument I just want to show you my perspective, alright here we go.

Let's start at Harvest Moon Festival: 'When this happens, it's not really something I fuss about...' and 'Well, I'm not a fan of someone I offered a job to about to off my easiest lengthy ticket to Earth behind my back.' Notice how Blitz says 'easiest lengthy ticket' here, not 'only ticket', and Blitz knows about Asmodean Crystals, as evidenced by Unhappy Campers where he forces someone to use it to create a portal to the living world, so the Grimoire was never the only option Blitz could've used to run I.M.P. Sure losing the grimoire would've disrupted business for a bit, but again, it was never Blitz's only option. It's also been confirmed in Ghostfuckers that I.M.P used to assassin jobs in Hell before Blitz got the Grimoire from Stolas, I.M.P was running fine without the Grimoire, if Blitz couldn't get his hands on the Grimoire or the Asmodeun Crystal he and his could always just run missions in Hell, so the coercion argument already falls flat there, but let's beat it up a bit further shall we?

Now let's look at Ozzies, at the ending of it Stolas never pressures or forces Blitz into having sex with him or quote 'We could talk, or… watch a movie, or… maybe cuddle?', Blitz turns Stolas down here, and Stolas never forces or pressures Blitz into doing said things with him, and you know what this also proves? It proves that Blitz has always the self-agency to tell Stolas 'no I don't want to fuck you', which also shows that Blitz actually wanted to have sex with Stolas, which we can prove by the text messages Stolas and Blitz had after Ozzie's.

The text messages at the end of Western Energy show that Stolas is actively giving Blitz the option to not fuck him, which also tells us that Blitz always had the option to tell Stolas no, and hell, we can see in the All 2 U song that Blitz turned down Stolas most likely asking Blitz to stay after the sex, proving even further Blitz always had the self-agency to tell Stolas no, which shows that Blitz wanted to have sex with Stolas.

And I'm not even counting everything about what happened in Full Moon. Blitz literally sings about how much he enjoys sex with Stolas, spends the whole day buying things to use on Stolas, begged for Stolas to keep the deal, said multiple times about how much the deal is something he enjoyed and wanted to keep, and told Loona and M&M about how Stolas never forced anything on him which lead to months without intimacy between them. Where is the coercion??? Simply, it's not there.

Now let's look at Apology Tour, Blitz wants the arrangement back, to fuck Stolas again. Which tells us something that the people peddling the nonsense 'Stolas is a rapist' argument entirely ignore, Blitz is the one unhappy with the arrangement ending, not Stolas, Blitz.

Also, Blitz has the Asmodeun Crystal by this point, He could've easily have just told Stolas to fuck off and leave if he was truly being coerced and raped by him, but he chooses to stay because at this point he thinks this gesture is a farewell gift from Stolas, and it's been made very clear that Blitz has strong feelings for Stolas by this point despite his self-hatred, that he doesn't want to lose Stolas, which also helps to further prove that Blitz wanted to have sex with Stolas out of his entire free will.

Blitz having sex with Stolas was a way for Blitz to be close to Stolas without having to be vulnerable, and when Stolas gets rid of the arrangement Blitz is scared because it would force Blitz to be vulnerable towards Stolas.

Is all of this really the behavior of a person who felt coerced into sex he didn't want to have? Because I think it's pretty clear that Blitz at no point felt coerced into having sex with Stolas, and the people that claim otherwise I have good grounds to believe aren't even watching the same show anymore.

.....sigh...

...before I start this long rant post I just want to say I'm grateful that your being civil in this ask. I'm glad you chose to state your reasoning rather than being made because I critisizied your favourite funny demon show.

However, I don't agree with any of this reasoning. There's a lot to break down here so I'll just split this post into two sections:

1. Stolitz IS Coercian, and Here's Why

So you start off by bringing up what Blitz says in The Harvest Moon Festival and how the grimoire isn't Blitz's only option for being able to do his job. That is true but...it doesn't change the fact that Stolas is threatening to take away an item that Blitz needs in order for his buisness to function in order to force Blitz into having consent with him, and so Blitz woulden't have that much of a choice.

Yes he could have gotten an Asmodean crystal but the fact he never did that in the first place is a plot hole in it of itself. And, if anything, the presence of other options just makes Stolas look even worse; Stolas could have just lent the book to Blitz in secret, or he could have just given Blitz the Asmodean crystal and move on with his day, but no, Stolas chose the option to put Blitz in a situation where Blitz HAD to consent to him or he'll lose the one thing he needs for his job.

And, Blitz fully believes the book to be his only option. The Full Moon literally has Blitz begging and pleading for Stolas to not end the deal because he needs the book. He would not have this reaction if he knew of other options, therefore he thinks that the book is his only real option (which makes very little sense but we'll just roll with it since that's what the show is presenting to us).

And then there's my last point which is Murder Family, the episode where Stolas first makes the deal with Blitz. This is the one scene people point to when they call Blitz corcian, and, there's a reason for that.

Stolas literally called Blitz when he was being chased by a lunatic with a shot gun. Blitz only consented because he was in an emotionally stressful state of mind and did not have any time to actually process or think about the deal, NOT because he was into having sex with Stolas, which makes the "Stolitz isn't coercian because Blitz had a choice" argument fall flat, because in the moment of the deal he didn't.

And even if he wasn't in a stressful emotional state, he is still being put in a situation where he HAS to consent or he'll lose the one thing he needs for his job by someone with much more power than him, and again, Blitz DOES THINK that the grimoire is his one option. Even if Blitz never felt coerced...he still was coerced. There isn't much changing that. Someone can say they weren't stabbed but they were still stabbed, someone can say they were SA'd but were still SA'd. This doesn't change shit.

It is deffiently true that there are hints for Blitz having affection for Stolas though, but the thing is, that makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. Why? Well, simple.

2. Blitz has NO REASON to Love Stolas (And Here's Why)

Yes. You read that title correctly. Blitz should not have ANY FORM of affection towards Stolas what so ever. If anything, he has every reason to dislike him.

Let's actually look at what Stolas has done to Blitz (both the good and bad).

THE GOOD:

Did some small nice things to Blitz like giving him gifts, laughing at his jokes, and generally showing that he did have some level of care for him...which were all off-screen....

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Ya...so....that's kind of it. And now...

THE BAD:

Forcing Blitz to consent to a deal where he HAD to consent with him or he will lose his job

Belittling, dehumanizing, and constantly invading Blitz's boundries

Flirting with Blitz even when he explicitly tells him that he's uncomfortable

Not taking Blitz's attempts at setting up boundries seriously

Ya. So. I rest my case. There is no reason for Blitz to have any form of affection or to want any form of affection out of Stolas given how Stolas has treated Blitz throughout the show; the few good things Stolas does for Blitz that we are supposed to see as the reasons for why Blitz would fall in love with him fall flat because not only are they off-screen, they also don't make up for the bad.

Sure, you could say that Blitz doesn't hold any of this against Stolas but...he should. He should be mad over Stolas constantly invading his boundries even when he tells him no, he should be mad over the deal, and he should be mad over Stolas constantly make him uncomfortable.

Yet, we are supposed to believe that Blitz has feelings for Stolas despite the fact he has no reason to. Also, if Stolas apperently always cared about Blitz's boundries...than explain Loo Loo Land. Explain why Stolas continued flirting with Blitz constantly even when he could clearly see that Blitz was uncomfortable. Explain why he consistantly dehumanized Blitz over the course of the show by treating him like a sex object. Explain why Stolas continued calling Blitz pet names in The Harvest Moon Festival in front of a whole crowd of people even when Blitz was, once again, annoyed and uncomfortable.

And you can't use the "Oh Stolas didn't know what he was doing was wrong/He meant well" because the fact that Stolas knows about the basic laws of consent means that he knew EXACTLY what he was doing in all of these scenes. He should reconized Blitz being uncomfortable when ever he made his advancements if he really cared about Blitz's consent, but, even then, he never did for some reason until now.

So I don't buy the idea that the deal was a way for Blitz to have sex with Stolas without being vulnerable because A. He did not consent to it willingly and B. There is no believable reason for why Blitz would have genuine feelings for Stolas after how we've seen Stolas treat him (and, being honest, Stolas shouldn't love Blitz either).

If you want me to believe that these two would ever fall in love, actually show scenes developing believable chemistry between them so I can see why they would love each other. For whatever reason Blitz may have to love Stolas, that reason should have been shown across the series rather than being kept on the back burner. It doesn't make sense for Blitz to love Stolas, sorry, but you can't convince that Blitz has any reason to fall in love with him.

(Also, a few things; I'm pretty sure what the writers were trying to commuinicate with the full moon scene was that Blitz was trying to process Stolas' desicion to give him the crystal since he never experinced any kind of kindess like this before or something like that, so the argument that Blitz reacted the way he did because he loved Stolas falls flat)

3. Conclusion

Ya. So uh. I don't agree with any of this shit. I'm sorry but there's no defending this relationship lol. It's a complete mess of bad writting and I don't think you can change my mind on that. I could go into more detail but...I think I've said all I needed to say.

[greml1nb0i]

The fact it was a fanfic has me so grossed out and relieved. CUs

on one hand itis fake, and no one will be subjected to that disgusting display for a SECOND TIME.

on the other hand, there are fans making rape fanfic...

Viv you have ruined a whole Gen of People.

Hate to get political here for a sec but i think it's topical:

The whole bs that's going on with grown ass men and kid/teen boys telling their mom/wives, sisters/daughters and peers, "your body, my choice";

Viv is perpetuating that rape is fine with her fandom by never once just admitting she was wrong to have a Fetishist STROYBOARD A FUCKING RAPE SCENE.

Now her fans, SOME IF NOT MAJORITY ARE MINORS, write SA and Rape fanfic of her characters with little to no cognitive dissonance at all.

Her and her fans will harass anyone who doesnt put up on her Monolith.

THOSE ARE THE FUCKING SAME PEOPLE.

IDC Trans and Gay people can still be Transphobic and Queerphobic!!

LGBTQ folks can still turn into terrible people if they listen to the wrong fuckheads.

People can still do/say/think fucked up things, and have their lifestyle and life choices, contradict them.

Stereotypes, Ignorance, Immaturity, Lack of Awareness, Bullying, and plain ole Bigotry in general.

That's what Viv perpetuates with her actions, with her dumbass cartoons, and its what her fans have learned is considered "right and wrong".

Fuck you Medrano.

You ruined people.

Those nasty Vox dialogue leaks have been proven fake!

So it turns out the leaks involving Vox violating Alastor are fake, and that it was just a Russian fanfic.

THANK FUCKING GOD!!

[carto0ncritter]

Neither Helluva Boss nor Hazbin Hotel were able to stick to their original premises because Vivziepop wanted to include as many cringey ocs characters and unrelated plotpoints as possible (in Hazbin's case) and only focuses on the horrible ship aka Stolitz, while everything else is unimportant (in HB's case)

This upsets me, because both shows had potential.

[fakekillernerd]

2 WORST CHARACTER THINGS in my opinion that would make me IMMEDIATELY hate a character

1. An irredeemable (and possibly manipulative) asshole that you are supposed to feel bad for!! you are supposed to love them!!

2. A perverted loser, most of their personality and/or talk revolve around SEX and nothing else (and TO THE POINT THEY HARASS OTHER CHARACTERS.)

if you managed to get both of them in one character... WELL CONGRATS!! THEY ARE NOW IN MY PERSONAL WORST CHARACTERS EVER LIST!!

and guess what. one of the characters ive seen fall into BOTH of these. congratulations vivziepop.

[bump-inthe-night]

Stolas is the most realistic depiction of an abuser out of all of Vivziepop’s characters. He’s a manipulator who refuses to take accountability for the harm his actions have caused, and he blames everyone else. Stolas is completely focused on his feelings and wants without regard for other people.

In “Seeing Stars,” Octavia runs away because she’s tired of her father’s neglect. Stolas searches for her before his lust for Blitzo distracts him, and he spends the rest of his time thirsting over him on a comedy set. It’s Loona who finds Octavia and tells her that she needs to be grateful that her father loves her and to appreciate less than the bare minimum from him. Instead of holding Stolas responsible for neglecting his daughter, it's brushed off as a "mistake” that isn’t worth Octavia getting upset over.

It gets worse in “Full Moon,” where the Goetia prince admits his deal with Blitzo is wrong and ends it. However, Stolas blames him for making their relationship purely sexual and not recognizing his romantic feelings for him. When Blitzo speaks about how awfully he’s been treated, the Goetia prince cries about how hurt he is before kicking him out. Stolas could’ve acknowledged the imp’s pain and spoken about it, but chose to prioritize his own feelings. What makes this worse is that he successfully guilt-tripped Blitzo into regretting what he said and almost apologizing.

Stolas keeps apologizing for his actions, but he’s never changing how he behaves. When someone is furious at him, he resorts to excuses and victimizes himself. Stolas always makes his victims feel guilty for being rightfully upset with him.

He's a more realistically written abuser than Stella and Valentino ever will be.

[tooningin]

I apologize to my family and everyone in my neighborhood (Or if it’s a weekday, school) who will witness my uncontrollable laughter when this scene comes on

This is so f*ckin stupid.

What is this?? Why TF are you clinging to him??

Demon prince my ass.

[80rosequartz08]

I hate when I'm ranting about how I dislike a character or how they were poorly written and some idiotic stan of their comes in and starts diagnosing them with like 55687876 mental disorders/disabilities to excuse their behavior/writing.

"Uh-um-uh-ah- this character has BPD, lactose intolerance, autism, ADHD, and supercalifragilisticexpialidocious-ism so you CAN'T SAY that they're a bad person for abusing/assaulting their partners and friends!"

News Flash: Having trauma/a disability doesn't excuse shit!!!

((Also: "If you think piling disorders on a character instead of just writing a well-rounded character to begin with is 'shitty writing', go fuck yourself!" I can't believe how stupid some people can be...))

[starlight-bread-blog]

I know we aren't supposed to cheer but... TELL HIM!!

[kawaiitail-chan]

why is this so true tho

found this on pinterest

[xxextrie]

This is a Stolas hating page <3

[azural83]

Vivziepop's unintentional ability in making stolas more unlikable is actually impressive

[flower-boi16]

Too Small To Care

So remember that one user who sent me an ask trying to explain why Stolitz isn't coercian? And also sent that same ask to other people? Well, after a lot of people pointed out to the user how Blitz is freqeuntly shown to be uncomfortable in the relationship they posted this:

In my original ask I was actually gonna have a full third section that detailed why using small background details like this to defend Stolitz isn't a good way to defend it but I cut it because the post was long enough already and I was getting tired.

Now I feel is the best time to address this. Helluva Boss uses a lot of small details to hint at Blitz having affection to Stolas, such as things like the text messages in Western Energy or the background shards in Apology Tour that the user is showing here, and there's also the nice things that are stated in Oops and the pictures in Ozzie's.

All of these are meant to hint at Blitz having affection towards Stolas and this user (and some other fans) use these details to defend Stolitz. The thing is....I do not give a shit about these details. Legit. I do not give a fuck about whatever blink and you'll miss it details you show me as evidince for this ship actually works.

And the reason for that is because everything these easily forgetable and missable details show are things that should been shown on screen. Stolas' nice things to Blitz? Should have been shown on screen. Blitz enjoying sex with Blitz? Should have been shown on screen. Blitz being in control? Should have been shown on screen (sure it's shown in Ozzie's but that's literally it).

I'm just gonna call this for it is; lazy. It's lazy writting to pack things like this in small easily missable background details when you SHOULD be commuinicating this stuff on screen with actual interactions between the two characters. And, even then, this is still laughable at best. So I guess we're just going to ignore all the other examples that were actually shown on screen of Blitz being uncomfortable around Stolas and disliking the relationship because of these small, easily missable background details?

Just because Blitz felt good around Stolas two times means that he didn't constantly feel uncomfortable around Stolas the other 98% of what we're shown on screen? Really???

Also that second picture doesn't even imply Blitz liked the relationship lmao it's just him making a cute face.

Sorry, but Stolitz is SA. You're not convincing me otherwise.

(Also, this goes without saying but. DO NOT ATTACK THE USER!!!!)

[moistrodent]

Octavia and Verosika did NOTHING wrong. Octavia has the right to not like her dad who ignored and neglected her in order for his one-sided affair. Verosika has the right to hate Blitzo (to quote my queen Veroska) maxed out her credit card on shitty horse riding lessons and left her to pay for the hotel. Octavia got called a COCK BLOCKING SLUT by one of the CREATORS OF HELLUVA BOSS! And Verosika constantly gets called a bitch, slut, or whore. I love Octavia and Verosika, they have done no wrong and I am taking them from Vivziepop.

Also Verosika looks so good in the outfits the Helluva Boss team puts her in and I’m supposed to hate her? No fuck that I love her so much and she has probably one of the best or the best design out of all the Helluva Boss characters.

Octavia also deserves a better dad. She’s also got an actually pretty cool design, she’s just a little silly who has also has a great voice actor!

Also baby Octavia! She’s so cute :). I love her so much and she deserves so much more than Stolas. AND THEN SHE GETS CALLED A COCK BLOCKING SLUT. SHE’S FUCKING 17. Overall I love them, Octavia is just a little silly and Verosika is my queen.