#4W5

[mistype360]

[coruscatingdust]

I wanted "peace," to be left alone in my underground world. Real life oppressed me with its novelty so much that I could hardly breathe.

Fyodor Dostoevsky, Notes from Underground

[blueopinions49]

Enneagram 4 Subtypes Explained

Social 4 "Shame"

The social 4 looks to create connection with others through the exploration melancholy and brokenness. Unlike the other 4s this subtype looks to share their depth with others. Imo they subvert allot of the traditional notions of the E4. They aren't as withdrawn as the SX and Sp subtypes. And whole they do maintain a level of difference within they still look to fulfill that need for emotional depth with others. A tendency that pops with the So4 is the need to create that social circle while struggling to remain their own self. This subtype tend to express their difference through being an outsider or extremely sophisticated with unique tastes. Usually among to attract others while maintaining their boundary of eccentricity. They are hard to mistake as any other type in my opinion however they can look like the stereotype of a 3w4 (due to being pretentiousness) or a 9.

Characters: Anna Karenina, Mark Jefferson, Blue Diamond, Diane Nyguen, Lisa, Anne of Green Gables, Jin Kazaa and Catherine Meyer.

The Self Preservation 4 "Tenacity"

The Sp4 finds it self trying to mitigate their envy due to being a counter type. Usually this 4 is not looking to be different but rather to have a different type of life. As the counter type of 4 they dont overexposes their melancholy and rage but rather they tend to keep it to themselves. This 4 tries to find a different path in the world without following tradition or social expectations. They are a bit more idealistic with their pursuits choosing lifestyles, style or professional life. This subtype can look like a 6 (due to their calm and environment oriented thinking).

Characters: Elio Perlman, Rose DeWitt Bukater, Eleven, Belle, Sebastian, Wicked Witch, Violet Harmon and Susana Kaysen.

The Sexual 4 "Hate"

Probably the most well known 4. This subtype is the most expressive and "aggressive" about their sense of uniqueness. They are highly interested in creating a relationship with another that fulfills that bond of difference and uniqueness. They tend to be the most expressive of their envy. To the sexual 4 the most important thing is not to be mediocre. By this I mean that the 4s see everything that doesn't have emotional and personal depth is beneath them. While many texts describe them as aggressive id say they are closer to passionate. The SX4 interest and frustration find depth within interpersonal relationships leads them to look like enneagram 8s.

Characters: Kylo Ren, the phantom, Maleficent, Loki, Jason Todd, Helen Sharp, Lucille Sharpe and Zuko

[alkistisnetwide]

People who self-type with rare and "desired" labels, such as INFJs, INTJs, 5s, 4s, IEIs, ILIs and all Ns by extension

Let me ask, to what extent would your self-worth differ if you concluded you were mistyped?

To what extent would your self-worth change if you found typology to be a false idea?

Back when I believed socionics was the answer to everything at 15, I was negatively affected by that interest. I questioned things about myself because I seemed to have traits that didn't fit my EII (INFP,INFj) type, but I settled on it eitherway because of my focus on morality. It didn't help how little self esteem I had to be of the least impressive of the 4 "intelligent" types and in the circles I was in most types were dismissed as "normies" Even worse, socionics changed how I saw others. I believed others lacked moral values and intelligence, thought in a manner inconceivable to me and would fundamentally be bad company for me

The enneagram too had me constantly questioning every aspect of my behavior in order to affirm that I was indeed a "5w4"

If you are invested in personality typing, I think you should consider the influence of your emotions on your investment and take a short break. People who are no longer certain about these systems, it might be useful to share your opinion of them in retrospect

[rainytypology]

Enneagram Type 4

An overview of an enneagram type. Not an expert. May change later.

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Type 4

Center: Heart/Image/Shame

Other triads: Reactive, Withdrawn, Frustration

Basic motivation: Create a unique identity, make personal significance

Basic fear: Being forgotten, not feeling important

Wings: 4w3, 4w5

Disintegration/stress: 2

Integration/growth: 1

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Traits

- Strengths -

In tune with emotions

Expressive and creative

Have an eye for beauty/aesthetics

Empathetic

Tries to be genuine, be themselves

- Weaknesses -

Can be moody and overly sensitive

Self conscious

Feel defective

Can be self pitying

Focus too much on themselves

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Wings

- 4w3 -

The 3 wing adds a spit of spark to the typically melancholic 4 core. A bit more outgoing and friendly. May feel envious of others more often. Want to have validation and praise for their unique accomplishments. 3 wing helps them set goals, which are usually aligned with expression and creativity. 4s want to make a mark/influence on the world and 3 wants to be successful in making that mark. They want their uniqueness to be seen.

- 4w5 -

4 and 5 are both withdrawn types, so it's no surprise 4w5s are often introverted and/or private. Independent type who does what they want. Can intellectualize their emotions. Can get lost in their own world as they are focused on building their creativity and skills rather than focusing on relationships.

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Disintegration: 2

Disintegration to 2 can cause a 4 to lose sense of their independence, instead throwing themselves into relationships. They want to be rescued somehow without putting much effort into building genuine connections. Very clingy and intrusive.

Integration: 1

Integration to 1 can cause a 4 to become more objective and more bold to take actions towards their desired goals and dreams. They learn not to be trapped in their self absorptions. They learn to control/balance their feelings so they are less moody. Integrating 4s have a desire to contribute to the world and make a better difference rather than simply only doing things they want whenever they want.

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Subtypes of 4

- Sp 4 -

Sp 4 is the most internalized and least expressive about their pain and suffering compared to the typical 4. They learn to deal with it by themselves. They want to be recognized and accepted for being so "tough" for not complaining about going through heavy things. They may instead look for those who are visibly suffering in order to provide empathy and help for them.

- Sx 4 -

Sx 4 is the most expressive and intense. They want to be their most authentic selves and chase after their desires. They are very deliberate in trying to attract others with their unique and genuine character - with the way they dress, act, any sort of self expression, they need people to like their uniqueness. They can be more assertive with their needs, which can be used to cover up the actual sadness they have inside. They have a deep need to prove they are worthy.

- So 4 -

So 4 is the most connected to their suffering and will openly show this. They compare themselves a lot to others and feel shame for not having the traits they envy. They want to be accepted but fear their flaws will drive people away. Inferiority and victim complex. There is a lot of inner conflict of wanting to be original and different but fearing having something wrong with them and longing for others acceptance.

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[moondustinfj]

MBTI AND ENNEAGRAM ANALYSIS OF INTERVIEW WITH THE VAMPIRE CHARACTERS

Part 1

Louis de Pointe du Lac

Mbti

Introverted Intuitive Feeling Perceiving

Infps are highly idealistic, sensitive and driven by their values

Especially because their leading function Fi (introverted feeling) allows them to be in tune with their emotions. Very much so that they are driven by their inner compass. They have a clear sense of right and wrong and it's not likely or easy for them to change their mind about something, especially moral issues

Armand: I would have made this woman a vampire. But I thought it best you have a hand in it. Otherwise you would not give Claudia up. You must know you wanted it

Louis: I loathe what I did!

Armand: Then loathe me, not yourself

Louis: No, you don't understand. You nearly destroyed the thing you value in me when this happened. I resisted you with all my power even when I didn't know it was your force which was working on me. Something nearly died in me! Passion nearly died in me! I was all but destroyed when Madeline was created!

Armand: But that thing is no longer dead, that passion, that humanity, whatever you wish to name it. If it were not alive there wouldn't be tears in your eyes right now. There wouldn't be rage in your voice

Infps are very emphatatic and sensitive. They want to make the world a better place and they try hard to help others

"But why, with this passion and this sense of justice, do you wish to call yourself the child of Satan!" - Armand

Louis: I'm incapable of your detachment. I know what it is, and I do not possess it and I doubt that I ever will. I accept this

Armand: I understand. I saw you in the theatre, your suffering, your sympathy with that girl. I saw your sympathy for Dennis when I offered him to you; you die when you kill

They are introspective and they desire to find their meaning in life

"It's a terrible feeling, not knowing, not understanding, not being in control of your own destiny" - Louis

"I would have to know from what... from what it comes. Whether it came from other vampires...or elsewhere" - Louis

They focus on the big picture and are very intuitive

"No need to tell him what to observe, or what to remember. He always knew such things. Years ago, when I'd done the dark magic on him, I hadn't had to tell him anything; he had savored the smallest aspects of it all on his own. Then later he said I'd failed to guide him. Didn't he know how unnecessary that had always been?" -Lestat

With their strive for authenticity and their sensitivity, they look for ways to express themselves through art and stories

Enneagram

Basic fear: that they have no meaning or significance

Basic desire: to have their own identity and purpose, their meaning

Type fours are sensitive, self aware and reserved. They are also prone to be moody and self conscious. They can suffer from self pity and melancholy

Type fours see themselves as fundamentally different from other people. More than any other type, they are acutely aware of their weaknesses and defiances. They see themselves as uniquely disadvantaged or flawed

And because they see themselves as so different, they feel like nobody can see their true selves and therefore no one can love them for who they really are

"For the first time in my life, I was seen"

They might romanticize pain and bittersweet feelings

"I think to be this happy is to be miserable, to feel this much satisfaction is to burn"

Type fours often feel like there is something missing in them that others possess. This thing can't be properly identified but they feel like there is a hole in them that can not be filled

"If I ever thought we have souls, mine is gone forever"

So they feel like with this thing missing, everyone but them can fully understand who they are and their meaning

Type fours struggle to let go of their feelings from the past. They nurse their old wounds and hold onto their feelings about people who hurt them

4w5 (four wing five): The Bohemian

This subtype is combined with type five. So they're more reserved than the usual type four. But they're also more observant and speculative

"Louis, the watcher, the patient one, was there on account of love pure and simple"

Overall, infps and type fours are generally sensitive, creative, melancholic, empathatic, understanding, authentic, emotionally expressive and introspective people

"Louis, whose green eyes are soulful, the very mirror of patient misery, soft voiced, very human, weak; having lived only two hundred years, unable to read minds, or to levitate, or to spellbind others except inadvertently, which can be hilarious, an immortal with whom mortals fall in love" -Armand

" And it occured to me. If Louis does end his life, if he does bring his supernatural journey to conclusion, how will I ever answer for it to Lestat or Armand? It was the love of Louis which had at times crippled Lestat, and enslaved Armand" - David

"The first thing I'd ever noticed about him-well, after his green eyes that is- was his black hair. No, all that's a lie. It was his expression; the passion and the innocence and the delicacy of conscience. I just loved it!" - Lestat

"If I knew a mortal of that sensitivity, that pain, that focus, I would make him a vampire in an instant. But such can rarely be done. No, I've had to wait and watch for you. And now I'll fight for you. Do you see how ruthless I am in love?" - Armand

"Louis, my handsome Louis, in his dark wool and old fashioned high-collared linen, gazing down on us with a look of thinly veiled amusement, but with a secret in his hypnotic green eyes" - Lestat

[shutinlear53]

for a moment I thought "7w8" and "4w5" were engine codes or something so I had to look them up and turns out enneagrams are a thing (who keeps making up shit like this???)

the name of the hypothetical son and daughter? Andrew & Ashley

me when my rb26 daughter and ls6 son are arguing about who gets to be on top again

[funkymbtifiction]

Emily: Emily Brontë [INFP 4w5]

MBTI Type: INFP Emily sees the world through her own subjective opinions. She’s deeply emotional and mostly pours all of her passion and feelings into her poetry and writing; it is unfathomable to her that Charlotte might stop writing altogether or consider it a “childish” thing to do, since it’s all she cares about, her lifeline, and gives her a way to say the things she cannot find words for…

[the-hollow-oak]

Infp 4w5 autumnal aesthetic

[lunarhorrors]

i am running out of ways to romanticize this.

[typologyinfo]

ENNEAGRAM FOUR INTRODUCTION (Borzoi)

Four feels that they are only loved if they are seen or understood. Their objective in life is to find meaning in their identity.

Their (unconscious) fear is being insignificant or ordinary.

SEEKS: ATTENTION (TO BE LOVED) By investing time in exploring their emotions or fantasies and hoping for them to be validated.

WITHDRAW TO: DEEP FEELINGS “This is what it feels like.” “Does it reflect my essence?”

4s often feel that something fundamental is missing or lost in their life : something that would make them feel whole or truly loved. Everyone else seems to enjoy a comfortable and happy existence. They can’t help but brood over their condition, while enviously longing for the ease and belonging they perceive in others.

Healthy 4s are emotionally honest, embracing both their highs and lows without allowing their emotions to control their life. They accept all their feelings fully and encourage others to do the same, honoring even the most painful emotions. They are showing genuine empathy and create space for emotional authenticity.

Average 4s struggle to let go of their negative emotions. They tend to overidentify with their feelings, sometimes even amplifying their suffering to maintain a sense of “authenticity”. However, they end up being withdrawn and self-absorbed instead, making it difficult for them to connect with others.

Healthy 4s engage in deep introspection, often seeking to understand themselves better. They take advantage of their positive qualities and channel them into bringing depth and originality to daily life, often inspiring others to do the same. This leads to significant personal growth and self-realization.

Average 4s experience an unstable self-esteem and frequently compare themselves to an idealized version of who they believe they should be. They end up feeling inadequate and overly focused on their perceived flaws. Their self-worth comes from setting themselves apart from others, rather than embracing their inherent worth.

Healthy 4s explore the human condition, finding creative ways to transform the ordinary into something emotionally rich. They have a profound appreciation for meaning in all its forms and express this gratitude by sharing it with people, often displaying love and wisdom in their insights.

Average 4s tend to be too idealistic and struggle to accept the mundane routines of reality. They constantly yearn for the “perfect life”, focusing on what they lack, lost or cannot attain. This leaves them feeling as though their life is a series of unfortunate events, which only reinforce their melancholy.

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🔔 This is an introduction to the world of Enneagram. Stay tuned to my blog as I'm gonna explore each Enneagram type in depth in the coming weeks. 🔔

[mistype360]

questions to type yourself (enneagram edition)

how do you set boundaries with the world around you? (do you assert yourself, do you blend in, do you please others, etc etc)

how do you act during stress? (are you more positive, do you stay calm and try to be "objective," do you get emotional, etc etc)

how do you act in anger? do you experience it often?

how do you act in shame? do you experience it often?

how do you act in fear? do you experience it often?

how do you act in relation to others in conflict? (withdraw, go-with-the-flow, upfront, etc)

how do you "get what you want?" (more demanding + straightforward, believe it should be earned, focus on self, etc etc)

what is your coping mechanism? (do you distract yourself, do you try to act more neutral, stay in denial, try to rationalize, etc)

[sp6ghetti]

Enneatype 4 summarised!!

Core type-  Passion: envy. E4s feel as though something is missing in their life. Whether this is a person, thing or feeling, they feel like others have achieved this while they stayed behind. Fixation: melancholy. Due to this loss, they feel like they don't belong amongst the people they assume have achieved this thing they want. They feel disconnected and unrelated to those. Trap: authenticity. E4s believe that that what is missing can come anytime. When it does come, they can finally feel fulfilled and authentic. Defence mechanism: introjection. To avoid ordinariness and keep their self image of being authentic, they take external negativity directed towards them and internalise them in a way that helps them feel in control of these critiques. Virtue: equanimity. They need to allow themselves to be happy in the present and with what they have, this is called equanimity. And so, they overcome their envy. Key traits: Inferior self-image, focus on suffering, emotional sensitivity and empathic ability, aesthetic sensibility, push-pull pattern in relationships.

Subtypes-  Self preservation [sp]: Sp4s are stoic and learned to stay strong during painful situations. Sp4s are extremely demanding of themselves, they work hard to achieve what they’re missing. When this ends up stressing them out, they won't show or tell anyone. Their suffering is constantly suppressed, they hope to find validation and love because of how strong and enduring they are. Sexual [sx]: Envy is very present in the sx4. They feel as though they’re constantly made to compete with others they should be better than. Despite suffering from the inferiority all e4s deal with, this is much more socially suppressed in sx4s. They feel as though they must be superior or their efforts aren't worth anything. Social [so]: So4s are kind of the stereotypical e4s. They feel as though their suffering and pain is a part of them, while they do tend to talk about it a lot, this is often seen as their only trait which is not true. They are convinced something is fundamentally wrong with them and due to this constantly compare themselves to others in hopes to figure out what this is.

Contradictions-  INTP, ISTP, ENTP, ESTP, INTJ, ISTJ, ESTJ, ENTJ, ESFJ, ENFJ The main contradiction in e4 is the thinking dichotomy. Similar to e2, e4s highly value emotions and feelings. This doesn’t mean they don't value logic nor that thinking types don't value emotion, it just means they prefer one over the other. Another contradiction is Fe dominance. This is due to external emotion and a desire to please the group.  Types you might want to look into if you are on this list are e2, e3, e5, e6, e7 and e9.

Compatible types- Self preservation: INFP, ISFP, INFJ, ISFJ Social: INFP, ISFP, INFJ, ENFP, ESFP Sexual: INFP, ISFP, ENFP, ESFP

[blueopinions49]

Controversial Opinion

What’s the obsession with enneagram 4? I genuinely don’t get why there are so many people so obsessed with this type.

I get that there are some people that just romanticizes some of the mental illness aspects of them HOWEVER mental illness isnt an inherent E4 thing and neither is personal struggle I can see why they correlate that to 4s (maybe cuz of the pseudo depression naranjo described on his work however thats just a false image they portray so?) , which mostly stems from terrible understanding of the type. However the increase in mistypes? The obsession with the SX4 subtype? The obsession with the toxic aspects of E4? Idk I just don’t get it.

I’m asking from a place of genuine wonder cuz this has been going on for a long time. And I want some clarity as to why it happens.

[oiblackestsheep]

Then there’s me, Ne user doing the business casual thing because I can’t get eclectic to look good on my body type, and because the attention it attracts is social anxiety-inducing 🥴 but this doesn’t help my dilemma of thinking I’m secretly INFJ rather than INFP… (any other INFP 4w5 feel like a full-time cosplayer of INFJ?)

LMAO, *transmitting on all frequencies* we got any other INFP 4w5s who feel like they’re cosplaying as INFJs so anon doesn’t feel so lost?

Also, clothing limitations to body type is SO real, was literally just talking about this the other day with somebody. So weird when you like a particular style, then you try it out for yourself and you’re like “…I do not look like I thought I would at ALL, this is disappointing”

I once thought I would look good in a wife-beater, and I don’t think I’ve ever hated how I looked more than I did in that moment. Terrible choice anyway, but still sucked I couldn’t pull it off at the time.

Rooting for your INFP anon, hope you find some eclectic clothes you feel comfortable in some time soon (if that’s what you want obv)!

[xxx-ang3l-w1th-a-sh0tgun-xxx]

Heya! Can I get a "this user is INFP-T & 4w5" userbox? Thanks a lot! :)

ofc, here u go :)

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