#8w9

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questions to type yourself (enneagram edition)

how do you set boundaries with the world around you? (do you assert yourself, do you blend in, do you please others, etc etc)

how do you act during stress? (are you more positive, do you stay calm and try to be "objective," do you get emotional, etc etc)

how do you act in anger? do you experience it often?

how do you act in shame? do you experience it often?

how do you act in fear? do you experience it often?

how do you act in relation to others in conflict? (withdraw, go-with-the-flow, upfront, etc)

how do you "get what you want?" (more demanding + straightforward, believe it should be earned, focus on self, etc etc)

what is your coping mechanism? (do you distract yourself, do you try to act more neutral, stay in denial, try to rationalize, etc)

[subconsciousmysteries]

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[journalofanoldsoul]

Enneagram Types (Part 2)

Here’s a description of each Enneagram type, including their core motivations, fears, desires, and typical behaviors, along with information about their wings:

Type 6 - The Loyalist: Core Motivation: Sixes seek security, guidance, and support. They strive to find safety and stability in their environment and relationships.

Core Fear: Sixes fear being abandoned, unsupported, or without guidance. They may worry about potential dangers and uncertainties.

Core Desire: Sixes desire to have security, certainty, and trust. They long for reassurance and reliable relationships.

Typical Behaviors: Sixes are loyal, responsible, and often seek guidance from authority figures or trusted individuals. They may be cautious, vigilant, and prepared for potential risks.

Wing 5 (6w5): The Defender

Fives bring an intellectual and independent dimension to Sixes. They may have a more withdrawn and observant approach to their loyalty and may seek knowledge to feel more secure.

Wing 7 (6w7): The Buddy

Sevens add an adventurous and optimistic element to Sixes. They may seek distraction from anxieties and look for exciting experiences to balance their need for security.

Type 7 - The Enthusiast: Core Motivation: Sevens seek pleasure, excitement, and new experiences. They strive to avoid pain and discomfort and seek fulfillment in the present moment.

Core Fear: Sevens fear being trapped, limited, or missing out on opportunities. They may avoid facing difficult emotions or situations.

Core Desire: Sevens desire to be happy, satisfied, and fulfilled. They long for freedom and a sense of abundance.

Typical Behaviors: Sevens are enthusiastic, spontaneous, and often have a wide range of interests. They enjoy seeking new experiences, possibilities, and tend to be optimistic.

Wing 6 (7w6): The Entertainer

Sixes bring a practical and security-oriented dimension to Sevens. They may have a more cautious approach to their enthusiasm and may seek support and guidance in their pursuits.

Wing 8 (7w8): The Realist

Eights add a bold and assertive element to Sevens. They may be more focused on power and assertiveness in their pursuit of pleasure and may have a stronger desire for control.

Type 8 - The Challenger: Core Motivation: Eights seek control, independence, and protection. They strive to avoid vulnerability and stand up for themselves and others.

Core Fear: Eights fear being controlled, manipulated, or vulnerable. They may worry about being taken advantage of or appearing weak.

Core Desire: Eights desire to be strong, self-reliant, and in control. They long for justice, fairness, and protection for themselves and those they care about.

Typical Behaviors: Eights are assertive, confident, and often take on leadership roles. They have a strong presence and tend to be direct and confrontational.

Wing 7 (8w7): The Maverick

Sevens bring an adventurous and pleasure-seeking dimension to Eights. They may have a more lighthearted and optimistic approach to their assertiveness and desire for control.

Wing 9 (8w9): The Bear

Nines add a calming and harmonizing element to Eights. They may have a more grounded and receptive approach to their assertiveness and desire for control.

Type 9 - The Peacemaker: Core Motivation: Nines seek inner and outer peace, harmony, and avoidance of conflict. They strive for comfort and a sense of unity with others.

Core Fear: Nines fear conflict, disconnection, or loss of peace. They may avoid asserting themselves or facing difficult emotions.

Core Desire: Nines desire to have inner stability, peace, and to maintain their relationships. They long for a sense of wholeness and unity.

Typical Behaviors: Nines are easygoing, agreeable, and often go along with others' preferences. They seek to maintain harmony and may merge with others' opinions.

Wing 8 (9w8): The Referee

Eights bring a stronger assertiveness and a desire for power to Nines. They may be more willing to stand up for themselves and others and may have a stronger sense of individuality.

Wing 1 (9w1): The Dreamer

Ones bring a sense of responsibility and a desire for order to Nines. They may strive for personal improvement and may have higher standards for themselves and their relationships.

Remember that individuals may vary within each type, and the wings offer additional dimensions to their core motivations. The Enneagram system is a tool for self-awareness and personal growth, helping individuals understand their patterns of thinking, feeling, and behaving.

Stay tune for Enneagram posts.

xoxo J.

[blanska]

Enneagram - The Companions

Jamie McCrimmon | Rose Tyler | Captain Jack Harkness | Donna Noble | River Song | Amy Pond | Rory Williams | Bill Potts

The Doctors: First Doctor | Second Doctor | Third Doctor | Fourth Doctor | Fifth Doctor | Sixth Doctor | Tenth Doctor | Eleventh Doctor | Twelfth Doctor

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Healthy/Unhealthy Type 8

Healthy Social 8

Poe Dameron (8w7 so/sx)- His desire and devotion for the rebellion makes him a bit impulsive but well meaning. Eventually throughout the last Jedi he learns when not to fight and retreat.

Mileena MK1 (8w7 so/sx)- Her struggle to come to terms with her being the heir to the throne made her disintegrate towards 5 a bit eventually accepting her role.

Tsunade (8w7 so/sx) - She lost her way due to all her personal loss and eventually rediscover what made her gifts important. Eventually deciding to become the Leafs 5th Hokage.

Unhealthy Social 8

Negan (8w7 so/sx)- Due I have to say much? He conquered and tortured almost all of the cast in the show. Caused an unnecessary war. But ig he deserved a redemption arc.

Kuvira (8w9 so/sp)- While her frustrations where valid she decided to conquer and take over other territory's.

Killmonger (8w9 so/sx)- Similar to Kuvira it's understandable grievance but wrong path to take.

Healthy Self-preservation 8

Jay Pritchett (8w9 sp/sx)- Close off a bit emotionally in the beginning of the show but he got better as time goes on.

Selina Kyle (8w7 sp/sx) - Her decision to be herself main priority and live life helping people makes her more of a hero than a villain. Also she robs rich people so...

Number 5 (8w9 sp/so)- His love and devotion to his family is felt throughout show and while he can be stubborn he doesn't let that blind him from being logical.

Unhealthy Self preservation 8

Billy Butcher (8w7 sp/sx)- He is constantly in the verge of danger and his impulsive decision making gets the Boys in trouble constantly.

Cersei Lannister (8w9 sp/sx)- Her desire for autonomy and control of her own decision gets unfocused on controlling others and using violent ways to get what she wants.

Lisa Rowe (8w7 sp/sx)- Similar to Cersei she doesn't want to control. However, she also doesn't seem to want to get better and accept herself. Eventually ending up void.

Healthy Sexual 8

Santana Lopez (8w7 sx/sp)- While she can be rude her struggle to accept herself in early seasons had a beautiful resolution and finding love with Britney.

Michelle Mallon (8w7 sx/sp)- A bit reckless but her heart is always in the right place. She pushed her friends to always explore and live more. Even if she got them in trouble.

Damon Salvatore (8w7 sx/sp)- Starts the show angry and frustrated but eventually he integrates towards his 2 and becomes more calm and less impulsive.

Unhealthy Sexual 8

Nate Jacobs 8w7 (sx/sp)- Pure disintegration towards 5. He is paranoid how people will feel about him once they discover who he truly is.

Claudia (8w7 sx/sp)- Sad and lonely due to the age in which she was turned she desires autonomy and love. Constantly trying to find that in Louis.

Villanelle (8w7 sx/sp)- Trying to find someone who loves her she purses Eve. The moment she doesn't have her attention she becomes violent and angry.

[disneymbti]

Can I please request a MBTI Type, Big Three, Enneagram Type and Moral Alignment for Hope Mikaelson (The Originals) please?

Hi there, I hope you like this a lot!

Hope Mikaelson's MBTI Type, Big Three, Enneagram Type and Moral Alignment

MBTI Type: ISFP [The Adventurer]

ISFP types need plenty of personal space. Though they enjoy building connections with people, they need alone time to think and recharge.

They are very observant, especially focusing on the details more than the overall view. They live in the present and tend to base decisions on what they can see right now.

Adventurers also prioritize emotion when making decisions. They prefer to follow what feels right.

They don’t like schedules, but instead prefer to keep their options open. They are adaptable, spontaneous, and like to challenge the need for strict rules.

Big Three: Taurus Sun, Pisces Moon and Scorpio Rising

Taurus Sun: The Bull tends to be drawn to a creative, indulgent lifestyle — and we wouldn’t expect anything less from a Venus ruled sign. They're also thought to have a stubborn, loyal and grounded personality.

Pisces Moon: Pisces Moons are hyper-attuned to the needs and emotions of others. They're likely to predict what's on your mind before you even say it.

Scorpio Rising: Prone to turning heads, Scorpio ascendents ooze with magnetism and dynamism. They're not known to back away from a challenge. 

Enneagram Type: 8w9 [The Diplomat]

Basic Fear: Eights with a nine wing fear being hurt by others. They avoid situations in which they have less control, generally preferring to be in positions of leadership.

Basic Desire: Their basic desire is to guard themselves against threats and control their own destiny. They may express this by asserting independence at a young age.

Diplomats defend themselves by building emotional walls and denying vulnerability. They seek to appear strong, subconsciously believing that being too emotional will make them seem weak.

Moral Alignment Type: Neutral Good [The Benevolent]

These characters seek to do good, but are flexible in how they achieve it, valuing both order and freedom.

[rainytypology]

Enneagram Type 8

An overview of an enneagram type. Not an expert. May change later.

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Center: Gut/Instinct/Anger

Other triads: Reactive, Assertive, Rejection

Basic motivation: Be strong

Basic fear: Vulnerability, seeming weak

Wings: 8w7, 8w9

Disintegration/stress: 5

Integration/growth: 2

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Traits

- Strengths -

Honest and direct

Protective of others

Decisive

Independent

Justice seeking

- Weaknesses -

Overly aggressive

Will never willingly be vulnerable

Can be overwhelming

Too controlling

Ruthlessness

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Wings

- 8w7 -

8w7s tend to have a lot of energy that they use to achieve goals and grab opportunities. They especially thrive on new experiences. They are direct and straightforward in both actions and words. 8w7s can be more demanding of others and impulsive.

- 8w9 -

The 9 wing helps calm the typical 8 core. 8w9s tend to be more empathetic and a little more patient. They are inclined to help others rather than run them over. They are not afraid of conflict, but they do not like it either. However, they will confront a situation calmly if needed. They are more considerate of others but will still fiercely chase for things they want.

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Disintegration: 5

Disintegrating to 5 causes an 8 to withdraw from the world. They can be too warped up in their minds as they ruminate over all their issues. They become preoccuppied with possible threats, resulting in paranoia and anxiety. They feel powerless and out of control.

Integration: 2

Integration to 2 causes an 8 to become gentler and more considerate of others. They are still protective but in a calmer manner. An integrated 8 learns to be more compassionate. They become more comfortable with showing their vulnerabilities with others - they don't have to burden things alone or be aggressive in order to appear strong. Strength shows up in many calmer and kinder ways.

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Subtypes of 8

- Sp 8 -

Sp 8s focus on gaining material and financial security as a way to assert full control and power. Having success in both makes them feel confident and independent, fully free. They try to protect themselves and others close to them by taking on the roles of protector/guardian. Being in full control and power makes them feel secure as they know what to do to not get hurt. However, they can be overwhelming to others unintentionally as they believe their protection/guidance is toughening others up and building resilience.

- Sx 8 -

Sx 8 is the most rebellious; this subtype is not afraid to break the rules and forge their own path. They can be impulsive and intense. They want to show they're very strong and confident and will take on roles of leadership to solidify this image more. They want to attract others with their passionate and magnetic energy. Although intense, it is with the purpose of creating change. This subtype can be inspiring and influential while also being argumentative and direct.

- So 8 -

So 8s use their power and influence to be an act of service to their community. They are loyal and protective, ready to fight against injustice and unfairness. So 8s seek power over social groups and hierarchies, wanting to protect themselves and others. They can influence others into a rebellion with them. This subtype greatly values trust and loyalty as it's hard for 8 to genuinely trust others in general.

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Enneagram list

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Side blogs

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Dead Boy Detectives: Jenny Green [ISTP 8w9]

MBTI Type: ISTP Jenny is detached and analytical, but not all that interested in her tenants or what they like to do in their spare time. Provided they can pay their rent, she doesn’t care what they get up to, and has no moral judgments about it. She focuses on her one interest, which is chopping meat, as a visceral experience, but has also covered her body in tattoos as a means of…

[sp6ghetti]

Can a isfp be E8?

No. Reading through the e8 chapter of Naranjo’s Character and Neurosis, it almost immediately becomes clear that this type contradicts very heavily to rational types like ISFP. I highly recommend going through this chapter in your own time, but in short: e8 is a very sensory-motor dominant type, this means that their primary focus is with the concrete, present, and external, as opposed to an Fi leading type, who is going to pay more attention to their internal reactions to particular information. Even with Se second, it’s just not going to be as prevalent. 

[m-v-tique]

Old Enneagram doodles

Female Enneagram 8 is close to my recent style.

(My fav has to be 3w4 and 8, they’re a badass/girlboss)

[phlve]

Subtype Trait Structures: sx8

Histrionic, Possessive

The sexual subtype has a need to be the center of attention. The passion of Possession is not just the control of the partner, but the control of the room, the interest and attention of people. They know how to seduce and provoke the attraction of others, and use it as means of creating “targets” of his possessive violence and control.

“𝘞𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘐 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘵𝘭𝘦 𝘐 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘳 𝘧𝘦𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘨 (𝘐 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘬 𝘪𝘵'𝘴 𝘢 𝘤𝘳𝘢𝘻𝘺 𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘢) 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘭𝘥 𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘳𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘬 𝘸𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘐 𝘢𝘳𝘳𝘪𝘷𝘦𝘥. 𝘌𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘣𝘦𝘭𝘰𝘯𝘨𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘮𝘦”

“𝘔𝘺 𝘳𝘦𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘴𝘩𝘪𝘱 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘴𝘦𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘦𝘰𝘱𝘭𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘦. 𝘐 𝘸𝘢𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘩𝘢𝘱𝘱𝘦𝘯𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰 𝘦𝘢𝘤𝘩 𝘰𝘯𝘦, 𝘐 𝘥𝘪𝘥 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘸𝘢𝘯𝘵 𝘵𝘰 𝘭𝘰𝘴𝘦 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘳𝘰𝘭 𝘰𝘧 𝘢𝘯𝘺𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨, 𝘢𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘵 𝘧𝘳𝘰𝘮 𝘪𝘯𝘧𝘭𝘶𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘮𝘺 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘥𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘨𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰 𝘥𝘰”

Lascivious, Unfaithful

This is the most sexual and physical type of all Enneagram (“the conservation E7 as the most openly lascivious, next to the sexual E8, of the enneatypes” - Golosos). The sexual lust intensifies their need for stimulation. This makes a lot of the most neurotic versions of the type unfaithful - there's a desire to possess the other but they do not allow thesmelves to surrender, because that's their wound. Giving in to intimacy an love would make them touch the emotional vulnerability they so desperately try to forget.

“𝘐 𝘧𝘦𝘭𝘵 𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺 𝘱𝘰𝘸𝘦𝘳𝘧𝘶𝘭 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺 𝘰𝘸𝘯𝘦𝘳 𝘰𝘧 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨. 𝘛𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘪𝘴 𝘸𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘴𝘦𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘴 𝘪𝘯. 𝘉𝘺 𝘸𝘢𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨, 𝘐 𝘧𝘦𝘭𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘰𝘸𝘯𝘦𝘳 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘭𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘣𝘫𝘦𝘤𝘵, 𝘮𝘢𝘪𝘯𝘭𝘺 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘱𝘭𝘦, 𝘸𝘩𝘰 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘯𝘰 𝘳𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵 𝘵𝘰 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘢 𝘭𝘪𝘧𝘦 𝘣𝘦𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘮𝘦. 𝘐 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘣𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘳, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘧𝘰𝘤𝘶𝘴. 𝘐 𝘸𝘢𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘧𝘳𝘰𝘮 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳, 𝘣𝘶𝘵 𝘥𝘪𝘥𝘯'𝘵 𝘥𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘷𝘦𝘳 𝘢𝘯𝘺𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨. 𝘐𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘦𝘹𝘶𝘢𝘭 𝘳𝘦𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘴𝘩𝘪𝘱 𝘪𝘵 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺 𝘤𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘳: 𝘐 𝘮𝘢𝘥𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘳 𝘵𝘰 𝘮𝘺 𝘫𝘰𝘺 𝘣𝘶𝘵 𝘐 𝘥𝘪𝘥𝘯'𝘵 𝘸𝘢𝘯𝘵 𝘵𝘰 𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘳. 𝘐𝘵 𝘴𝘦𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘮𝘺 𝘴𝘰𝘶𝘭 𝘸𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘦𝘴𝘤𝘢𝘱𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘐 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘢𝘧𝘳𝘢𝘪𝘥 𝘰𝘧 𝘭𝘰𝘴𝘪𝘯𝘨.”

Dionysian Innocence

Like E2, they carry the most powerful of the Dionysian spirit: the intoxication, the celebration of life and pleasure, losing oneself in the sensations of the world... Despite their violence and ruthlessness, they carry an innocence view in life: pleasure is seen as pure, desirable.

Vengeful, Rebellious

Related to Possession and the Dionysian spirit, they actively defend their behavior regardless of how dangerous and destructive it can be. If the self-preservation killed their father and is now alone, and if the social killed their father to protect the mother, the sexual learned there's a good taste in the act of patricide. There's pleasure in not just making things even, but creating unbalance on their favor. They go about life killing the pathernal figures of society - The father, the teacher, the laws and State, God itself.

“𝘐 𝘬𝘯𝘦𝘸 𝘸𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘐 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺 𝘺𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘮𝘺 𝘧𝘢𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘣𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘦𝘹𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘶𝘯𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘧𝘳𝘰𝘮 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘊𝘢𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘪𝘤 𝘊𝘩𝘶𝘳𝘤𝘩. 𝘐 𝘬𝘯𝘦𝘸 𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘢𝘪𝘥 𝘣𝘳𝘪𝘣𝘦𝘴 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘮𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘴𝘵𝘶𝘥𝘺 𝘢𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘣𝘦𝘴𝘵 𝘴𝘤𝘩𝘰𝘰𝘭𝘴 (𝘸𝘩𝘪𝘤𝘩 𝘸𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘊𝘢𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘪𝘤). 𝘈𝘨𝘢𝘪𝘯, 𝘮𝘰𝘯𝘦𝘺 𝘴𝘱𝘰𝘬𝘦 𝘭𝘰𝘶𝘥𝘦𝘳, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘴𝘰 𝘐 𝘨𝘳𝘦𝘸 𝘶𝘱, 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘐 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘣𝘶𝘺 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘯 𝘧𝘳𝘰𝘮 𝘎𝘰𝘥.”

Disrespectful, Intolerant of Limits

Related to the previous trait, they feel good disrespecting norms, limits, rules. More than getting the attention of people by being charming, they get attention by being transgressors. A lot of types transgress limits (we can think of Sexual 4 Marquis of Sade's obscenity), but SX 8 uses a direct confrontation with the source of power, often getting popularity by defending what other's think but are too afraid to say it.

Exploitative, Manipulates

They use the other as means of getting whst they want, often using charm and seduction with the purpose of getting something from them. If they other doesn't give, they can forcefully take it.

Omnipotence

There's a confusion between desire and reality, carrying a sense of almighty strength that whatever they think they can do, they will. There's a delusional detachment from their own limitations.

Source: @/Promethee on PDB

[mistype360]

i’m curious about the e8 sin of lust/excess, i’m an e9 and i do relate to the “self laziness” thing but i also definitely crave the sensory experience and stimulation, the satisfaction, the “adventure” and feeding of my “hunger” and to do what i want autonomously and to live life to the fullest/on “10” - but i’m also a se dom with a 7 fix lmao 😭 so i wonder where the distinction is i guess?

"hunger"

what an interesting, complex, beautiful, stimulating question 🥺🥺 mamma mia

e7: gluttony

i feel like the difference between e7 and e8 is the same difference between gluttony and lust.

lust (8) is all about intensity or "quality." gluttony (7) is all about "quantity."

up to some point, an 8 will be satisfied with what they have, but 7's don't really ever feel satisfied. an 8 will seek joy, pleasure and whatnot until they feel "powerful" or "in control." a 7 won't ever feel like they have enough no matter how much they have.

another difference is that 8's are much more focused on a set amount or specific pleasure. for example, they might have a certain vision that they really really really want to travel the world (as you say, is your "adventure"). drinking might make them happy, but they could never substitute that for traveling.

a 7 on the other hand will find a way to fulfill themselves no matter what. if the are unable to travel, they'll "fill the hole" with other things: gambling, watching tv, etc. sure, they might be small differences. but they get the same feeling from all.

the 8 seeks a "thing." the 7 seeks a "feeling"

e9: numbness

i think e9 and e8's difference is relatively clear in terms of hunger, but e9 and e7 are very very similar in the aspect of indulgences you describe- especially an sp9.

descriptions just don't do them justice when trying to tell the difference, so i will give an example:

an enneagram 7 likes to party. they come back from a night out, and they feel great! but after a while that feeling goes away and they just want more. they go to another one, and another one, and another one...and they keep thinking that each time will be better than the last. it's a constant chase, but it's as if they can never really achieve it

an enneagram 9 has already given up. they realize that parties are unfulfilling and recognize how it might harm them. but a single moment they feel happy at the party is basically enough for them to keep doing it. it's almost as if instead of chasing, like the e7, they have just "given up" and let themselves indulge. they kind of have this "eh, whatever" thinking: "i am going to seek this out anyways so might as well go"

[subconsciousmysteries]

assertive types are very “I have to learn from experience” people. You can’t tell an assertive type anything. They have to hit a wall and learn for themselves before they incorporate anything into their internal knowledge system. It is important to let all humans be free to make their own mistakes but it is especially important for assertive triad people

[cinderella-ish]

JuJutsu Kaisen Personality Types Part 4: Megumi Fushiguro

Megumi is my favorite character in JuJutsu Kaisen (and that's saying a lot!), yet I genuinely have no idea what his Enneagram will be. Let's find out!

Megumi Fushiguro's Enneagram

Wound: Megumi's father disappeared before he was in the first grade, so he was basically raised by his sister, who was also a child.

Wounding message: The world is reliably unfair.

Core desire: to make the world better for kind people like his sister and Yuji.

Core fear: failing to help his sister, letting Yuji die.

Defense mechanism: Megumi is extremely shut down when we meet him, and disinterested in most things if they don't serve his purposes. In middle school, he beat up all the bullies and delinquents. During canon, he's critical of others and rarely opens up or shows emotion.

Strengths: Megumi is dutiful, loyal, a quick learner, compassionate, hard-working, and reflective

Challenges: Megumi is self-sacrificing, humorless, closed-off, distant, and simmering with repressed rage.

When healthy: Megumi connects more readily with others, lets himself smile, he's relaxed, curious, adaptable, and more able to see the good in others.

When unhealthy: Megumi is closed off, self-sacrificing, depressed, angry, shut down, and fearful.

Looking at all of this, here's what connects when I go back to the Enneagram post:

Wound: could be 4, 5, 6, 8, or 9

Wounding message: could be 4, 5, 6, 7, or 8

Core desire: 6 or 8

Core fear: 5, 6, 8, or 9

Defense mechanism: 5 or 8

Strengths: 1 or 8

Challenges: 1, 4, 5, 6, 8, or 9

When healthy: 2, 3, 5, 6, 8, or 9

When unhealthy: 1, 3, 7, 8, or 9

Megumi is an Enneagram 8.

This makes a lot of sense to me, because Megumi's defining emotion is so clearly anger. I don't think he acts like a stereotypical 8 as much during canon, but the scenes of him beating up the bullies in middle school are classic 8.

From Personality Path:

Anger is overexpressed in Type 8. Experienced as a rush of energy in the body, anger can rise quickly from a wide range of factors, but the underlying trigger is usually vulnerability.  Shame or Sadness is often triggered after a Type 8 overreacts to a situation, letting the rush of anger dictate their reaction. The response may seem appropriate to them in the moment, but upon reflection or due to the consequences, they may feel shameful or sad about their overreaction. Fear may be triggered when they feel they can’t control a situation. For most Type 8s, fear quickly passes through the body, transforming to anger.  Vulnerability is often at the bottom of each of the three core emotions for Type 8s.

Wing

The Enneagram Institute calls 8w7s "The Maverick" and 8w9s "The Bear." Megumi has much more expression of 9 than 7, so I'd say he's 8w9.

From EnneaApp:

Exert leadership in a steady and grounded way to achieve control

is thoughtful and methodical in implementation of personal vision

Protective of inner circle; may dominate in a cool-collected way

Less aggressive than 8w7; gentle/caring underneath strong exterior

More introverted than 8w7, likes a quiet, reserved, steady lifestyle

Subtype

Since Megumi tends to focus on the people in his inner circle (Tsumiki and Yuji most clearly, but also Nobara and Gojo), I think he's most likely a SO Eight.

EnneaApp describes SO Eights like this:

Lust for friendship/camaraderie; very loyal, life-long friend; interested in fairness

Friendship is trust extended to those you protect and by whom you are protected

Friendship is a way of surviving through tested alliances and common purpose

Lavish and generous; will give a friend the shirt off their back/leap to their defense

May be the group's protector or provider; can be hostile to threatening outsiders

Outstanding leader; holds the community together, strengthens weaker members

Shows feelings within close group only; to see them vulnerable must be earned

Friendship bond can cover lust for power; gains advantage through association

More willing to apologize and/or see other perspectives than other 8 subtypes

Test friend's loyalty; in group focus on who else has power to corner authority

Loves the excitement of a righteous struggle for the truth or a quest for fairness

Feels "too much/too loud," feels dishonest shrinking down, yet desires to belong

Basic fear is of having one's intentions misunderstood in a group setting

May feel easily betrayed/hold a grudge; people are friends or enemies, no grey

The only part of this description that didn't sound like Megumi at first was feeling "too much/too loud," but maybe that's what we see when he first uses his Domain Expansion and we see how much rage was simmering under the surface that whole time.

Tritype

With Eight as his Gut type, I see Five or Six as his most likely Head type and I'm less clear on his Heart type.

After reading the various possible tritypes (258, 268, 358, 368, 458, and 468), I found 4-5-8, the Scholar, to be the best fit. From Katherine Fauvre's website:

If you are a 458, you are intuitive, knowledgeable, and protective. You want to be original, wise, and straightforward. You study what makes people tick and quickly form and share strong opinions about what you learn. Somewhat introverted, you are identified as being someone who is an intuitive, and intellectual strategic thinker. You look to the past and identify great historical thinkers and philosophers you wish to emulate. You see and focus on the interconnections that others often miss.

Megumi is a creative and tenacious opponent in battle who's quick to take in large amounts of information and make decisions.

Megumi's MBTI

Here's how I see Megumi's Type Dynamics:

Sensing: Si - "Compares present facts and situations to past experience. Excellent recall for specific details. Trusts and remembers the past. Stores sensory data that is important to them for future use."

Thinking: Te - "Seeks logic and consistency in the outside world. Concern for external laws and rules. Logical, analytical decision makers who organize the environment to achieve goals."

Feeling: Fi - "Seeks harmony of action and thoughts with personal values. May not always articulate those values. Empathetic, sensitive, and idealistic."

iNtuiting: Ne (when stressed) - "lose sight of details and facts, impulsive behaviors, worry over multiple possibilities, too many options (catastrophize the future)"

This would make his Type Dynamics Si Te Fi Ne, and his MBTI ISTJ (The Inspector).

Here's how the Myers & Briggs Foundation describes ISTJ:

Quiet, serious, earn success by being thorough and dependable. Practical, matter-of-fact, realistic, and responsible. Decide logically what should be done and work toward it steadily, regardless of distractions. Take pleasure in making everything orderly and organized—their work, their home, their life. Value traditions and loyalty.

So, to summarize:

Enneagram: SO 8w9 (The Challenger/The Bear)

Tritype: 4-5-8 (The Scholar)

MBTI: ISTJ (The Inspector)

Megumi is hard-working, private, and intensely loyal. He's a logical, strategic thinker who's nonetheless able to improvise and be creative when challenged. He likes predictability and routine, and has a fairly straightforward (if grouchy) demeanor. He's holding a huge amount of anger, but his anger is informed by his deep love for Tsumiki, Yuji, and anyone else he considers close. He truly comes alive in battle.

As a side note, I know lots of people were frustrated by the end of Megumi's arc, where he expressed interest in living for someone else rather than himself. I actually think, because he's an Enneagram 8, and therefore he goes to 2 when he's healthiest, living for someone else is something he can only do when he's in a relatively healthy place. For him, living for someone else is actually a way of expressing what's most important to him.

Anyway, I love Megumi. He deserves all the happiness after everything he went through.

[mbtistufff]

hello! i’ve been contemplating for the longest time and still can’t seem to figure out what my core type is.. i know my tritype is 468 for sure, but the problem is that i had another person enneatype me and they said that there’s no way for me to be an 8 because of my mbti (NeFiTeSi) and that my behavior is mostly sx4 (which looks a lot like an 8) but i just don’t relate to any of the core fears or desires to confidently say i’m a 4.. it’s so tough! do you have any tips? i’ve looked everywhere and i am even with all these three (sx dom for all of them)

All of those types are the reactive types on the enneagram, so I understand how you may have confusion about which is your core.

Something to consider is do you mostly feel shame (4), fear (6), or anger (8)? I know sometimes when we're upset or scared our emotions can come out in the form of anger, or anger having sadness and shame underneath it, but try to consider which emotion you feel inside of yourself the most. Is there one that is more intense for you?

Another key difference between those types is that 4 is a withdrawn type, 6 is a compliant type, and 8 is an aggressive type. Yes, the outward behavior of an sx 4 can appear like an 8, but it is not an aggressive type in and of itself, so you would be more likely to withdrawal and internally stew on your emotions on your own before outwardly expressing them.

Also consider what makes you angry. Due to having shame at their core, SX fours are more sensitive to jealousy than 8s are. Their anger would be more likely triggered by jealousy, whereas an 8 would be angry because someone crossed their boundaries.

Hope this helps.

[blueopinions49]

Any tips on telling the difference between e7s and e8s ?

weirdly enough I believe E7 and E8 to have allot of similarities.

Lust and Indulgement

Sense for freedom

Assertive

Frustration with attachments

And allot of 7s can look like 8s (Han Solo SP7)

Vice Versa Katherine Pierce SP8 (looking like a SP7)

The 7

However the differences can be seen on how they approach life. The 7 yearns for freedom and pleasure (by pleasure I mean a general enjoyment of life) thats why their biggest problem is Gluttony. They want to enjoy everything at its fullest. Allot 7s imo have a 3 ish material desire BUT unlike the E3 who likes pretty things due to its aesthetic and value, the 7 enjoys them for the joy it brings to them.

Gluttony in the enneagram is an excessive need to consume indulgence.

The 8

Unlike the 7 the 8 doesn't look to enjoy things but rather have a full anatomical control of itself. The 8 tend to have a black and white view of things. They are natural go getters and dont mind being more abrupt about the things they want unlike the 7 who is more calm. Which is why their vice is lust incredibly fitting imo.

Lust in the enneagram is an intense desire to get X not usually sexual in nature but can be.

Characters to contrast them

Elite: Guzman (ESTJ 8w7 sp/sx) vs Christian (ESFP 7w8 sp/sx)

SATC: Miranda (ESTJ 8w9 sp/sx) vs Samantha (ESTP 7w8 sp/sx)

GOT: Cersei Lannister (ESTJ 8w9 sp/sx) vs Tyrion (ENTP 7w8 sp/so)

LOK Korra (ESFP 8w7 so/sx) vs Bolin ( ENFP 7w6 sx/so)

SW: Leia Organa (ENTJ 8w9 so/sp) vs Han (ESTP 7w8 sp/sx)

Inuyasha: Inuyasha (ESTP 8w7 sx/sp) vs Miroku (ENTP 7w6 sx/so)

TBOSAS: Sejanus (ESFP 8w9 so/sx) vs Lucy Gray (ENFP 7w6 sx/so)

Note: Sorry for taking so long to answer college has been difficult to handle due to graduation.

Note #2: I'll try and post unhealthy/ healthy type 6 this week.