#(and obviously i dont JUST mean women and i dont JUST mean men but it's a fast enough shorthand for
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Patalliro! is fascinating to me because of stuff like this. It's unapologetically gay - even within its anime which aired during primetime hours in 1982 - in a way that many later BL manga would never be, like the ones from the early 2000s which would never dare to call their characters actual homosexuals. Patalliro has actually aged quite well in this regard, there's something comforting about how campy it is.
#i still dont really understand how they got away with this kind of thing honestly#female VAs i get that - but first m/m kiss in an anime in episode THREE?????#theres also the maraich/thomas episode where they are *Both* voiced by women....advanced yuri#patalliro#i love how bancorans gender expression is pretty much explicitly to attract only bishounen#you blushed - so you must not be a girl#etc#i also love how joyful it all is#theres never anything sad or tragic about being gay - only that bancoran is forced to kill the bishounen spies/assassins/etc#when bancoran finds out that gay sex feels good after demian; in the manga he is elated. its basically a positive thing#he awakens to his true power...lol#also notable is that while bishounen youth is glorified maraich is 18#this means it portrays being gay as an adult as normal; not a phase relegated to nostalgic adolescent periods of time#according to the NYT japan's psychiatric body called homosexuality a mental illness until 1995#im NOT going to say patalliro changed that or anything lmao but its just significant to me that banmara get to live their lives happily#even raise children together in the manga....???#especially contrasting that with kaze to ki no uta and other manga of the time (no shade intended)#yaoi#<- for tagging purposes#obviously it also got away with a lot by being a gag manga. but still!#months later edit: want to say im not intending to moralize BL manga from the 2000s either. like gen. no hate on them.#as a gay person i just appreciate when characters who act gay are considered gay textually#and its kind of disheartening how gay-as-identity was treated as something incredulous in those manga a lot of the time#even the mere suggestion of attraction to men as a whole and not just the other male lead...yknow#this post is meant to praise patalliro for being unique in its approach to gay content compared to other titles#ive enjoyed plenty of 2000s yaoi titles despite their shortcomings lol#joseiposting#shoujo
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Controversial take, but I can see Marcille being bi
#like shes clearly in love with falin#but I can see her being into elvish men in particular#like she has a crush on that dude from her books#ik that doesn't mean she likes actual men#but i also dont see anything that to suggest she couldn't also be into men#obviously nothing wrong with seeing her as a lesbian#but I also dont see anything wrong with seeing her as bi#personally I see her as bi with a very strong preference for women#like basically homoflexible#but I may just be projecting#marcille donato#marcille dunmeshi#delicious in dungeon marcille#marcille dungeon meshi#dungeon meshi#dunmeshi
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why do you think the marauders fandom is like so afraid of making women be masculine
no joke i just think people hate masculine women ! the only people ive ever met who are into butch women are either other lesbians or queer people who genuinely have put in the work to distance themselves from male validation
butch/masculine women or dykes are seen are disgusting for their hairy bodies and no make-up whereas a mans lean body and androgony will simply make him ’hot’ and ’daring’ and ’omg he’s crushing the gender norms!!!!’ <- which is honestly almost never true lmao
anyway. women who don’t shave or don’t wear makeup or are masculine are seen as lazy or ugly ! and women are terrfied of being ugly. im butch and im terrified of being ugly. there’s almost no space for butch women outside of lesbian circles, but feminine men are still relatable and seen as accessible and can still fit in with all genders! people will always love femininity, and honestly almost even more when it’s men doing it because there’s only one thing a patriarchal society loves more than a feminine woman….. men…
#women are already secondary in society#and so if they’re not hot anymore/subscribing to patriarchal beauty standards. then they’re just not relatable anymore#and butch women will never be able to relate to masculine men#so where does that leave us#very lonely except for in lesbian circles or with people who have broken free from the patriarchal choke hold#like butch/femme couples very much exist obviously#and butch4butch#but what yall mean with ’i want a masc gf’ is a mullet and a tank top#which isn’t really very masc at all and isn’t crushing any gender norms#people (of all genders) genuinely dont tend to play outside of the lines of their assigned gender#and so as long as you’re still within those lines you’ll simply always fit in#it’s unfair and awful and shouldn’t have to be like that#but the individual doesn’t make the rules#bla bla bla patriatchal society and so on and so forth#asks
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breaking character to say like please stop erasing canonically bisexual/pansexual characters because you ascribe to stereotypes of how a homosexual person behaves or acts can you see how that's harmful and maybe not good just like. In general
#presentation and personality dont equate to sexuality#Or gender#please can we move on from this as a concept#really drives me nuts#especially men#please consider why you see a man be expressive and ostentatious and decide that means hes gay#do you not think thats a homophobic stereotype#plus obviously biphobic (which i know a lot of people dont care about lmfao)#bisexual women get a very different (equally frustrating) treatment#but seriously like seeing a character be theatrical and effeminate and declaring theres no way he likes women IS A HOMOPHOBIC STEREOTYPE#STOP IT#this type of shit WILL affect the people you know who feel that their sexuality is not taken seriously because of their presentation#in theory this is about astarion#but im just generally frustrated by the way bisexual men get treated as gay lite#and women are shamed for being interested in anyone gnc
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simon peter is the funniest apostle to work with because in theory he's the most loyal, most by-the-book of the apostles so you'd expect him to be the most logical and collected one but 80% of his concerns (pre crucifixion then everything went downhill and they all died) are that he has a crush on every person he encounters
#🧅#im not religious just insane.jpg#true poly disaster. funniest shit ever.#cause yknow simon p's a fisherman he's married he's a very poster family man#and he loves his wife he really does. im not gonna make the only guy who's married fucking Hate his wife and want to like. go have gay sex#instead cause mlm good mlw bad. but he does have his. Issues. concerning how he views women#he's gonna work on that though i'm not leaving him like that don't worry. peter already knew the torah by heart probably for peter turning#to god meant learning how to respect women. and yknow people he considered 'ungodly' in general. to respect humanity as he respects god.#tee hee i love this arc. i love all of them but i dont ever rlly talk abt this one.#but anyways yes he does love his wife.#then some strange guy shows up while he's fishing and he's like follow me son of jonah i will make you a Fisher Of Men. and peter's like#TEE HEE OKAY JESUS i will come fish men with you.#which......okay....simon....... interesting that u wanted to do that..... with zero context....#and then cue weird thing with magdalene. which. they don't end up together by Any Means.#they hate each other. they have not spoken in a civil manner once. but they do have a weird bond between them than only aromantic people#can understand.#WHICH BTW i already knew there's a thin line between polyamory and aromanticism. but it really showed when while trying to#explore how peter experiences polyromanticism i found myself projecting a lot of my own aromanticism on him#(is polyromantic a correct term? i'm not sure these terms really confuse me especially considering the time period cause like. polyamorous#describes a relationship with multiple people which peter obviously wasn't in in 30 AD. but he Did have romantic feelings for multiple#people so is that polyromanticism? or is that a completely different term? idk. bare with me.)#very interesting. anyways yeah there's that. magdalene is aro also to me. so yeah this is one of the most fun dymanics i have in this lore#cause like. polyromantic person and aromantic person somehow having the same mutual not platonic not romantic but a secret third thing#connection with each other. i love thinking about them
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Love that the discourse is so rancid that cishet men are the main character of pride this year! Great job everyone!!!!!
#i thought it was over & was going to let it go but i just saw another post about it fucking again#when straight women point out reasons why their friends boyfriend sucks* or crack small harmless jokes about him thats considered sisterhoo#when a lesbian does it or points out cishet men in wlw spaces often dont know how to behave like guests in those spaces then its discourse!#* and i mean actual red flag 'hey he says weird shit when you leave the room' type things. not obvious garbage like 'men born stinky'#bc the latter is obviously just biphobia#ive known bi girls w bfs so terrible youd think i were making them up for discourse. but ive also known les/bi girls w equally awful gfs!#bad taste in partners transcends gender & sexuality lol so anyone trying to make it a bi thing needs to drive off a cliff#being rude about a friend's ugly (which i wouldnt say to my friends face!) bf if hes a good guy & treats ppl well is immense loser behavior#but yeah if i see another 'cishet boyfriends are the backbone of the queer community' jOkE i'm gonna lose it#well not lose it bc its really not that deep but i WILL be annoyed and pass the annoyance onto the readers of these posts by bitching more!
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looking for suggestions from other transmascs
anyone know of any medium-short masculine hairstyles for straight hair that look good on chubby/round faces
I want to bring a picture when I go to get a haircut soon but I can't decide what would look good on me
#I mean obviously hard to say without seeing me but I just wanna get an idea lol#it's kinda hard to tell from searching because most stuff is for cis men or cis women who want boy hair styles lol#I don't look like a man like. at all. currently. so idk if I should trust either of those#I just dont wanna get she/her'd at frostys (this will probably not help that much lol)
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Who up listening to good luck babe by chappell roan and having it resonate not in the way intended but resonating nonetheless. About to go ham in the tags about the overlap of being a lesbian and being aromantic...if u even care....
#my art#gore#organs#its 2am so not a lot of this is going to be very coherent but this song makes me feel a lot of things about it all#like. its the Expectations#the expectation that im going to date men and the expectation that im going to date at all have always felt equally stifling#theres that feeling of not trying hard enough or not realizing it at first or trying to lean into what you're told you should feel#and having it not pay off time and time again and wishing you could just make it work#because everyone else around you has it just fine and you dont get why you're struggling with it so much#THERE ARE MORE SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE TWO IS WHAT IM SAYING#like obviously figuring out aromanticism is especially weird because its a lack of something BUT THEYRE PRETTY SIMILAR#realizing I dont want to date anyone mirrors realizing I didn't like boys but like. idk man its worse sometimes?#I wouldn't trade it for the world it means a lot to me but its almost like people go out of their way not to understand it sometimes#at the end of the day I am the you in that song#it was a very very long road to being okay with never falling in love because that was something I wanted for a very very long time#at the end of the day I will never have to be someones wife and I think its better that way#but its also hard not to get jealous sometimes#like I know its irrational I know I get physically ill at just the thought of being asked out but like#sometimes ill see my friends with their girlfriends and ill feel like clawing my own chest out with want#but also if anyone asks me out I will have to dig myself into a pit and never come out. I think.#I want to be with women but I dont want to Be With Women if that makes sense#its another layer of difficulty that I dont think I'll ever be able to get past#I feel like at this point I should just be trying to conditioning myself out of any form of desire because its just not an option for me#which definitely isn't true and like chappell roan says. you'd have to stop the world just to stop the feeling.#but its also so tiring to have to sit here with the feeling and feel bad for having the feeling.#I dont know#I think if I felt a little more or a little less I’d be fine but I’m stuck in the middle#it feels very weird talking about this openly but also its very difficult to talk about with friends because most of them dont get it#anyways something something Josies monologue from bottoms#im going to bed
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like am i just wokepilled transgendermaxxed for thinking its literally not hard at all to make characters transgender in fiction, especially fantasy? it takes zero effort and rarely even impacts the story. like all it takes is a vague offhanded comment and that's really it it. at the bare minimum that's ALL it takes. it's literally not hard ?? arguably even easier than adding an LGB character, id say.
#its like these writers are so scared of making a problematic mistake that thye dont even bother. and the way to fix a problematic mistake is#TO JUST ADD MORE THAT 1 (ONE) DEMOGRAPHIC CHARACTER. YOU CANT ACCIDENTALLY FUCK IT UP IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN JUST ONE CHARACTER TO REPRESEN#AN ENTIRE CATEGORY OF PEOPLE.#a day in the life of steeve#i mean. obviously this is hard if the writer is transphobic and thinks all transgender women are [x] and all trans men are [y]. lol.
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fomenting backlash to 'feminism helps men too' 'criticizing men is evil and for radfems' etc etc on here is gonna be the tipping point to create a new breed of mra who are exactly the same as the old ones EXCEPT! and this is crucial! they can and do use approved sjwspeak/therapyspeak/reddit advice thread terms du jour and explicitly include trans men.
#been thinking this is inevitable for a while but now i see its fewer steps ahead of us#they will obviously hate trans women hope that doesnt need saying#oh and i mean explicitly mra/mgtow type thing. i mean a named movement ppl self identify with#some will insist it is an important thing to have alongside feminism#they will be mutuals with guys who insist that women just arent as smart actually and thats why mens feelings are more important#to be clear this backlash is deeply necessary some ppl on here are wildy regressive about misogyny#ive got thoughts on how this developed from 2012 tumblr feminism but those are some Spicy Takes and i dont wanna argue
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its rlly fascinating how people so quickly label lesbians as like. mean people dividing the community or whatever meanwhile some of the most foul misogynistic transphobic people in the community are gay men. which isnt me trying to shift blame onto them, but like its crazy how much gay men will get away with that lesbians have to deal w
#OBVIOUSLY im not saying that all gay men are like that. obviously.#im just saying that when they do it its whatever but if one lesbian is problematic we all are#the amnt of discourse surrounding the lesbian label in itself is a fairly good example of how weird people are ab us#meanwhile no one has ever questioned the definition of being a gay man#kaya.txt#also the whole mean bisexual + even meaner lesbian trope . like its funny sometimes. i guess#but its just. like yeah gay men are super nice and flamboyant and gay women are mean just because they dont care ab men
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I like to block people preemptively if they make stupid comments in the notes of posts, which is half of why my terf block list grew so large (that and you know. All the harassment they sent my way because they have no hobbies or friends) but the one I blocked had this fan drawing of JK Rowling with a lil terf button looking pretty pissed off next to an anti suffergette poster acting as if they were the same and I was like these people have NERVE when I had already long made the connection between their ideas about trans women and women who don't agree with them and anti suffergette posters.
Like ohh, you think trans women are Big Hairy Ugly Men, ewwww, stinky!! Also no different than what antifeminists think of women, and since they assume everyone who disagrees with them is a trans woman it's really funny that they'd think they'd have a right to act like they're being compared to anti feminist suffergette shit like they aren't actively encouraging that exact view of women lol.
#winters ramblings#i was like u people are idiots lol your ENTIRE worldview is women looking like a Divine Feminine stereotype#and any woman who doesnt fit that is obviously a man in womens clothing and theyre too fuckin stupid to even SEE their hypocrisy lol#like how fuckin dumb do you have to be to embody men shitting on wen by misgendering them and saying they look and act like men#and then jave the nerve to turn around and play thr victim like you dont promote antifeminist ideology#just because “feminism” technically appears in radical feminism doesn't mean it has anything to do with feminism#not when the ideology more closely aligns with trad wife shit than feminist anything#ESPECIALLY not when every woman who doesnt agree with you is an antifeminist stereotype of a hairy ugly man#like it hurt itself in its confusion
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men will always be inherently less attractive than women simply because they are incapable of yuri and therefore incapable of true love
#i am being sarcastic. obviously.#or am i#it is a secret third thing#(there is a special kind of love that can only exist between women just like there's a kind of love that can only exist between men.)#(and obviously i dont JUST mean women and i dont JUST mean men but it's a fast enough shorthand for#''people that i as a lesbian would consider myself attracted to'' vs#''people i as a lesbian would not consider myself attracted to''#and that does vary by personal taste and definition obviously but we have words for a reason and thats to broadly group things together)#im overexplaing myself on the off chance that this somehow gets spread around so people dont say stupid shit to me#because i know people have no fuxking sense on this webbed site
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Lover,Please stay
CEO!Sukuna is a big shot,every women and men's dream. Sometimes you wonder why he settled for someone like you.
The wine tastes bitter on your tongue as you take your first sip; wincing slightly. You've never been a fan of drinking,but when your rich boyfriend invites you out for some, who're you to say no? So you suck it up,and try to swing the drink around your glass instead of actually drinking it.
And it doesn't help that the liquor is bringing out all your doubts you've been having recently.
Instead,you try to focus on the man beside you; Sukuna is busy downing his third whiskey cause he's an absolute freak when it comes to drinking. His pink hair is out of its usually neat shape, probably because of the rough day he had at work; and you watch with careful eyes as he reaches his nibble fingers toward his tie and loses it while he throws back the last of his drink.
"you're staring."
You hum absentmindedly; hating how lightweight you are unlike your boyfriend. You've barely had a few sips for god's sake.
"and what if i am?"
But now, you're staring at the reddish liquid in your glass; your thoughts running wild in your mind. Because even if you want to; even if you desperately wish to, you cant ignore the whispers and giggles you hear from the tables near you. You cant pretend to not see the lustful gazes of the women all around you as soon as your boyfriend had stepped inside the bar.
And you surely cant not hear them giggling among themselves with nothing but vemon in their tone.
"oh my gosh,look at that hottie!!"
"hold on- is that...his partner?!"
"that cant be- i mean- look at HIM!"
"i know right?maybe he's just doing it out of pity or something?"
And you dont know if its the alcohol, or you own mind, but suddenly the bar feels too suffocating.
Too crowded. Too loud.
And its not really your fault; you've been having a shitty week, and you just wished to spend some quality time with you boyfriend. You didn't want to spend your Saturday night in a shitty bar,with some rich ass girls talking shit about you and your relationship.
And its the last straw when you hear their next words.
"oh screw it; I'm gonna hit on him! I'm sure he'd bored out his mind and need a break from his lame ass partner!"
"obviously they're not doing well; they haven't talked much since they walked in!"
So without a word,you suddenly stand up from your sit; slamming you glass hard on the wooden surface of the bar. Sukuna immediately looks your way, lips parting to say something, but you dont wait to hear what it is.
You just grab your purse and rush out of the door, almost stumbling to tables on your way out.
You think they might be laughing at you, but honestly you dont care. You just need some fresh air to cool your head.
And to stop the tears from falling on your burning cheeks.
You turn sharply in the alley just next to the bar; pressing your back to the cold wall behind as you slide down on the ground below. You hug your knees close to your chest as the first sob breaks through your lips.
God,you hate crying; specially because of what others say.
And you know; you know Sukuna's way out of your league. You know a hotshot like him can have anyone he wants,yet he settles for someone like you. You know all this, but that doesn't make it easier to hear it from others.
When you hear heavy footsteps inside the alley,you immensely start to brush your cheeks and eyes harshly; but your hands are immediately stopped midway by a pair of rough ones grabbing onto your wrists.
When you look up through teary eyes,Sukuna sighs at the sight of your red rimmed eyes and blushed cheeks.
"you're such a lightweight. How much did you even drink?"
"it's not because of the drink," you mumble, pulling at your hands to which Sukuna doesn't let you, "i didnt even finish my wine."
"then why are you crying,huh?" He sighs again, raising rough fingers to brush your tears away with such care that has you tearing up again. Sukuna 'tsks' and wipes your cheeks once more, ”tell me what's wrong."
You bury your face in your knees to avoid looking at him.
"you must've heard what those women said,Ryo. Dont play dumb."
"so what?"
You snap you head up.
"so what?! doesn't that bother you??"
Sukuna scoffs, shifting slightly. His dark eyes shine even in the barely lit alleyway,and you swallow upon seeing the look on his face.
He looks utterly pissed.
"why the fuck would it bother me what a bunch of good for nothing losers say?" He hold your chin and lowers his face until you can feel the his hot breath on your lips, "nothing in this world matters. Nothing. Except you,me,and us."
When your eyes water again,Sukuna sighs presses his forehead against yours.
"the world's gonna talk shit anyways; whether we like it or not. And i dont give a shit what other's think, because nothing will change the fact that i love you."
When you look up at him with wide, bleary eyes,Sukuna scoffs and pinches your cheek rather roughly.
"dont give me that look; I've said it before."
"Well!" You grumbled through pinched cheek, "you dont say it enough!"
An evil smirk makes way on his pink lips,and your face heats up when his fingers dance across your hips.
"then," you shiver as he pushes at the hem of your dress; taking hold on your upper thigh with a dangerous glint in his eyes, "guess I'll have to show it to you, don't you think doll?"
Your eyes flutter close when he finally presses his lips to yours; and right there and then,you know Sukuna never lies about loving you. After all, he's been always a man to show his love through his actions rather than words.
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genuine question--would you mind clarifying why the use of trans lesbian is bad in reference to a trans person who is a lesbian? am i missing some context? i tried googling but i got mostly just a lot of vile garbage. nw if you're done talking about this topic, that is understandable. have a nice day (saluting emoji which i dont have but please imagine it here)
sure. 'trans lesbian' is, like, a compound word that means specifically 'a trans woman who is a lesbian', and not just 'someone who is trans and a lesbian', in the same way that idk a 'little finger' isn't just 'a finger that is small'. & obviously i am all for recognizing that labels are just labels, that words are not the things themselves, but 1. this is not, like, some weird backformation or super restrictive definition that people make up to mean arguments, it's how that word is used in common practice by queer orgs, media outlets, the UN, and 2. i think that there is context here that makes it pretty important to be extremely clear about who is and isn't a trans lesbian in this sense.
the context is that trans lesbians (ie, trans women, who are lesbians) are like at the center of the hurricane of transphobia across the world right now. ray blanchard, the fucking pioneer of modern pseudoscientific transmisogyny, specifically singles out the 'autogynophiles' (as opposed to the 'homosexual transsexuals, who are trans women attracted to men') as dangerous perverts. TERF's most hateful transmisogynistic caricatures and canards of trans women as dangerous sexual predators who are threat to Women's Spaces are implicitly about the Trans Lesbian. it's a term that sent the entire transphobia industrial complex into overdrive when it was used in some UN org's tweet:
these headlines are not about Trans people who are also Lesbians--both these articles are filled with all the usual bile about how trans women are really sexually predatory men who want to infilitrate womanhood. neither of the people writing these articles would like leslie feinberg for sure, but they also wouldn't think of hir as a Dangerous Predator Infilitrationg Women's Spaces. & so when the trans lesbian is the fucking like cultural boogeyman that politicians are determined to performatively target and punish, i think that using that language to describe people who aren't transfem is diluting our ability to talk about this kind of transmisogyny.
& i mean like, this is not just an abstract concern, right, because the instant that i initially took issue with was someone essentially saying 'wow, why do you think that people who obsess over SBB specifically and The 80s more generally as the end-all be-all of Queerness and Lesbianhood tend towards a transmisogynist view of thoes things when leslie feinberg is literally a trans lesbian.' like it is explictly and obviously a rhetorical sleight of hand which is why i treated that ask with the contempt it deserved.
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i think you absolutely hit the nail on the head with a lot of this post! there is certainly a lot of deeply rooted misogyny inherent in the fandom, as well as an obvious double standard that is rather tiring to repeatedly see. people show overt sympathy towards characters like rocky, mordecai, freckle, and the likes -- meanwhile critcal eyes are constantly turned towards mitzi and ivy in particular, two women who are expected to act like mother figures or behave more maturely in comparison to their male friends and counterparts. you can’t discuss how rocky has agency without someone still implying that mitzi should be responsible for him anyway, simply because rocky is mentally ill and needs help. ivy is expected to innately understand freckle, a boy she barely knows and a boy who refuses to set any boundaries, and is also held to a standard of ‘maturity’ that freckle himself is exempt from. freckle, a character who has such severe anger issues to the point of going on scary, murderous rampages, is given more inherent grace than ivy, a misguided girl who’s worst crime is being forceful and pushy. and, like rocky with mitzi, freckle’s reserved nature is more than just a personality trait he has! when ivy implies rocky told her about their shared past, freckle looks nauseous and panicked -- he is not only shy, but purposefully guarded around ivy, perhaps due to fear she’ll discover things she won’t like. but is this discussed? is this a factor people consider in the frepper relationship? that freckle is just as responsible for setting boundaries as ivy is responsible for respecting them? from what i’ve seen, no. women in lackadaisy are treated as if they’re omniscient figures rather than human beings with a lot of their own issues on their plate ; where they should know everyone’s suffering intimately, and then take responsibility for said suffering, even if it’s not their fault. it is not up to the men in their lives to tell them how they feel or to ask for help, nor is it up to any of the men to perhaps care for the women in turn … it is wholly the women’s burden instead.
mitzi is insanely stressed out of her mind, going through intense grief, is suffering from multiple relationship losses and threats to her life and business, and is currently holding all of that pain inside of her that she can’t and won’t share. she’s in a bad state of mind ( and i point this out constantly in my wickmitzi analysis here and here ) and is, frankly, in no condition to care for herself -- much less multiple other people. but despite her own pain, she tries catering to the lives around her anyway. and not once do i see anyone claiming mitzi ‘needs someone to take care of her’ or ‘be nice to her’ or what have you. she is expected to burden this alone and to suck it up and care for the other characters, more importantly male characters like the band, rocky, and zib. she is expected to coo and be kind and soothe all their wounds and be agreeable, meanwhile fans view zib’s rather cruel words and behavior towards her in vestige as justified -- or, at least, they never bring it up, simply because it doesn’t matter to them. instead, i see mitzi’s actions in that section be constantly brought up, as proof that zib deserves better and is a poor little meow meow who mitzi is oh so cruel towards. people claim mitzi is undeserving of zib’s loyalty and is using it ruthlessly for her own gain when … again, zib is fully capable of making his own choices, and mitzi cannot force him to stay. she is still blamed for his misery regardless though, the same way she is blamed for anything rocky does, simply because he’s ‘doing it for her,’ despite her sometimes not asking for it. people say mitzi’s selfish for holding onto atlas the way that she does, and that she deserves to be justly punished for making others suffer with her … but mordecai, someone who has the exact same motivations and grief, someone who has actively done worse with said grief ( like shooting viktor in the knee and completely disabling him for life ), is offered sympathy. people want mordecai to move on but they want him to have a happy ending afterwards as well, to reconcile with everyone he’s hurt and to heal properly. but mitzi? she deserves to be alone and in jail or dead, apparently. for some reason, her actions are ‘unforgivable’, even if she hasn’t done anything to the severity as mordecai has just yet.
we’re so down for lacy and elsa because they stay in their lane and don’t bother the men lmao.
this part in particular was rather enlightening to me, because i’ve always known something was up with this but could never articulate why lacy and elsa were popular and seen as ‘better’ than the other women around them. elsa and lacy are traditional caretakers, with both of them having subservient positions and adhering to the orders of men without fuss. in lacy’s case, she even goes above and beyond, to the point where it’s implied and joked about that wick wouldn’t survive a day without her at his side. this dynamic is treated as cute and funny, and to be fair, i also find it cute and fun! but it is also rather unfair that lacy is burdened with all these extra tasks she’s not required to do. and this also says something about wick himself. he’s a thirty-something year old man who’s so utterly reckless with his drinking and choices that he has to have a young twenty-something woman handle him at all times. yet lacy is praised for this! for caring so deeply about wick and being protective of him! and wick’s part in all of this isn’t ever brought up, seen as questionable, or is considered to imply a multitude of flaws on his end. elsa, similarly, plays clean-up for her husband and brother often. they throw some random man on a table with his brain exposed and tell her to fix it, and she does. they decide by themselves to start rumrunning for the lackadaisy again, and when marigold comes to their door, she covers for them without faltering. elsa, on the surface, is the exact kind of woman most people can tolerate because she’s quiet, good at caretaking, soft and sad looking, and is out of the way. she is not invasive and her presence is never loud, and she leaves the men be for the most part, you know? serafine is also more well regarded by the fandom, but that’s simply because she’s ’unabashedly evil’, meaning her flaws can be turned into quirks and the likes. it’s a rather interesting phenomenon, in the sense that it all comes back to the black and white mindset fandoms have so rapidly developed nowadays.
there’s so much more i could say here honestly. and there are many points i could also repeat. like, yes, as much as i adore rocky, it is undeniable that he is an extremely difficult person to be around. and that, like it or not, mitzi is 100% within her right to be disappointed or frustrated with him when he messes up, especially since rocky messes up big time. this does not make her cold or uncaring or ignorant or evil, it makes her human. tracy said it the best herself here :
Yes. There are characters that care about Rocky, but it's complicated. It is possible to love someone, for instance, while not really being able to abide living with them. It's possible to care about someone without wishing to be inseparable buddies with them.
The core of Rocky's nature does make it difficult for him to find places where he easily fits in, and that much is not really his fault. However, he does have agency, and he has - with gusto - taken on a role that calls for him to lean into the destructive aspect of his nature. It's fine to feel a bit sympathetic about the first part, but that doesn't mean that he should get a pass on the rest, narratively speaking. Some of the lumps he's taken have been unearned, but many of them have been the results of his own (often violent) machinations.
so claiming that, on top of all of mitzi’s own issues and trauma and stressors, she has to take responsibility for rocky in his really messy entirety is rather cruel, and frankly not a good idea at all. and while he does deserve grace and care, so does mitzi … and everyone else in the cast. rocky is not particularly special because he’s suffering hard, because everyone else is suffering to a degree too, and i fail to understand how such kindness can’t be afforded to everyone else -- especially characters like mitzi and ivy. nobody talks about how ivy was forced to witness rocky get hurt like that, how she had to hold a gun at two men who were trying to kill them to try and save his life, and then had to take care of said friend afterwards because he’d otherwise just waste away in his car by his lonesome. she’s only eighteen! she was scared shitless! and yet prevailed for rocky’s sake and her own, despite having no help whatsoever. it’s shocking how quickly i can forget the pain mitzi and ivy have gone through simply because it’s never brought up by fans due to how much it pales in comparison to the men’s pain … i guess? even if their suffering is as simple as having money stolen from them or being too shy to … tell a girl no? i’ll see essays upon essays analyzing the men’s agony and their ‘very complicated!’ bonds with one another, but the women are reduced to being mentioned occasionally in those essays, and are mostly dehumanized in mitzi’s case. i feel like if you refuse to think about the girls in lackadaisy, then you are missing a rather large part of the story itself too. and it’s just … sad to see!
this post, nor my own additions to it, aren’t claiming that the lackadaisy women should be treated like angels or that they are flawless. these posts aren’t even hating on the men of lackadaisy either! i mean, both of our blogs have wick in the name, how could we actually hate that man in any capacity? this post is merely calling out some very odd takes that have been seen before, ones that keep circulating, and i think op is valid to bring it up. it’s okay to have biases and the likes, we all do, but if you’re trying to take lackadaisy more seriously, then perhaps make sure you’re viewing every character through a similar lense rather than vastly different ones. at the end of the day this is literally the ‘flawed, messy, and immature characters’ tragicomedy comic after all.
reading comprehension check! women do not ask men to be obsessed with them. women are not responsible for the things men do because they are obsessed with them. this goes double if a man repeatedly downplays the lengths he goes to and the horrific things he does due to his obsession with a woman! thanks for coming to my ted talk
#other’s posts.#i hope my addition was okay to add op!!#and i swear if someone comments on this and tries defending the men then im sorry to say this but!#you are just proving the point of this post!!#nobody is out here saying rocky or wick or whoever is evil and undeserving of love or care#people are SAYING that it is unfair to treat the women like shit for not being the ones to do so for understandable reasons#and that it isnt fair to blame every bad choice the men make on the women around them lol#and that idk maybe you should give the girl characters the same grace and sympathy you give the male ones#obviously not everyone is like this and tbh the tumblr space is WAY better with this stuff#but i see it everywhere still and i see it enough to warrant this kind of frustration#despite me curating my space and making it clear i love everyone in the lackadaisy cast ESP the women i still like#get weird ass comments and witness weird ass misogynistic shit despite my best efforts#idk! i try not to be mean on here but i do think this post is important and i do have this blog to share my opinions so#im going to share them on a topic im very passionate about! end of story etc#( also i could yap about this for hours and keep thinking of new things to say but ill hush for now!#but thank you for the post op truly. you have opened my eyes fr! )#( also also you saying that mitzi doesnt have to be incredibly kind and charitable and tender is so real tbh#if the male characters dont have to be kind hearted and warm saints than neither does she!!!#like please on god stop acting like girl characters MUST only be mature graceful mother figures or agents of pure chaos and evil please#like that in particular is a maddening take to have like please … lets think about the implications for two seconds )#tw long post
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