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selfship-confession-void · 3 days ago
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"Isn't Enemies to Lovers proship" Nope! Here's Why (+ Explaining Strawmen)
Proship/comship/neutral/darkfic DO NOT interact!! This post is not and never will be for you, stay away from me.
So I got this question as an anon but the ask just disappeared 😭 anyways I feel like this is a good topic to tackle because this shoddy argument is thrown around a lot
Short answer: No, but it can be depending on the execution
Long answer: Enemies to lovers as a trope isn't inherently toxic, but if it's handled wrong then yes the relationship would be abusive and ergo would be proship. But just because it CAN be handled poorly doesn't mean it's AUTOMATICALLY toxic and bad on principal
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I've had people I've hated who I later warmed up to. Happens all the time, that's life, you're not gonna like everyone. But that doesn't mean we abused one another or made one another's life a living hell. If you're thinking about ETL (Enemies To Lovers) in the context of the Enemy being this ruthless tyrant who tears down the MC at every opportunity, ruins their life, and overall makes the MC severely harmed from their actions: yes, that is abuse. THAT relationship would be proship.
But that's what I call BookTok ETL, cause BookTok is where it's most normalized (and let's be fr, they normalize proship stuff ALL THE TIME). BookTok ETL is specifically different from general ETL cause most interpretations of the trope are written by people who know there's a line between flirty angry banter and actual harmful interactions. Any sane person who loves the trope will tell you there's definitely a limit and that it becomes gross and uncomfortable when that line is crossed.
And, what I find important to emphasize: every trope CAN be toxic if done wrong. Childhood Friends to Lovers can be unhealthy if the childhood friend in question is a thoughtless shitbag and torments the MC. Coffee Shop AUs can be toxic if it's someone harassing an essential service worker the whole time. I've experienced media that's made me love tropes I usually don't care for just as much as I've seen media do a trope I love so badly that the relationship is a cesspit mess that I wouldn't ever dream of supporting.
My point here is judging a general and inherently harmless trope just based off of the idea that it could sometimes maybe be portrayed as toxic, doesn't mean the trope is on principal bad/toxic/gross. "But what about hero x villain?"— same rules apply. If Villain is terrorizing Hero or the ones they love so badly that it gives Hero trauma or deeply negatively impacts them in a scarring way, that is abuse and no one should argue that it isn't. But the trope can also be lighthearted and sweet, depending on the way it's handled.
Now onto my second portion:
What is a strawman?
A strawman is directly defined as "an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument". The very question of attributing harmless tropes to abuse romanticizing proshippers is a strawman. An argument that's meant to seem like a "HAHA GOTCHA" to people who don't sit and think for more than two seconds on how you're literally grasping at straws. This ties into a common trend of proshippers trying to worm their way into everything.
Let me be blunt: proshippers did NOT and never have invented shipping, selfshipping, fandoms, or anything of the like. They like saying that as an imaginary "gotcha" card to the rest of us, just claiming with zero proof or evidence to have invented online spaces because that's easier to argue over than the fact that they're supporting actually disgusting things. 9/10 they just wanna piss people off and then flood them with harassment when the person points out the obvious holes in their argument (pretty ironic coming from the "we don't support harassment!" crowd by the way)
So, to reiterate and be as clear as possible; no, enemies to lovers and hero x villain aren't proship. They can BECOME proship if specific portrayals are done in a very toxic way that make the relationship abusive, but any trope can be represented horribly, so no it does not automatically mean the trope as a concept is proship. Claiming it is is a strawman argument largely used by proshippers because they're deflecting from what they're actually doing wrong and trying to grasp at straws to "epically own the stupid antis" or something like that
Ty for reading
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coffinwoodx · 1 year ago
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ok so for those of you who don’t know, there’s this twitter account of a japanese local hero mascot named dentman who went viral recently due to this tweet
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but yeah he saw the tweet. and his response went viral as well (which is how i found his account)
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and he just has like. hourly posts reminding you to brush your teeth
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oh and his rival? his name is mr. mutans. whenever dentman posts he makes a post of his own, ofc
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but THAT’S NOT ALL. literally while making this post i found a THIRD ACCOUNT that’s all about taking your meds
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safe to say i’m losing my mind
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anyway the point of all this was that people are ALREADY beginning to draw them ship art 😭
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and the reactions are everything
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I CANT ADD ANY MORE IMAGES BUT TRUST ME THIS IS SO FUNNY
toxic one-sided dentman yaoi wasn’t on my 2024 bingo card but it DEFINITELY IS NOW!
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rain-in-numbers · 2 months ago
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Well, I can't fix her... But I can press her face into the mattress, one hand in the middle of her back and the other gripping her hip tightly while I make her take my strap so hard that her eyes roll, her mouth opens in a perfect 'O', she drools all over my sheets and pleases me with those cute little noises escaping her lips... That would probably calm her down.
This is about wlw/sapphic/lesbian sex
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transthatfag · 8 months ago
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give them blood blood gallons of the stuff :)
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lycantooth · 5 months ago
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“there’s too much of X in the alterhuman tags” be the change you want to see in the world. “there’s not enough of X in the alterhuman tags” be the change you want to see in the world.
spam your rare kintype! share your unique experience! inspire others to follow in your bravery and individuality!
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astralnymphh · 1 year ago
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i've said this before, but ellie loves being straddled. esp jackson!ellie, when you prompt the position yourself, shifting weight onto your knees n' tossing a leg over right as two r cuddling, like the legit moment you do it her lids hastily peel back and you see her arm reach out for your hips like a reflex— bends at the knees behind you where her thighs press into ur' butt n' fuuckk she gives a faint squeeze to your hip bones, notably her thumb on the opposite side of the bone so you truly feel that dimpled push, and her other fingers inching the round of your butt— on the sly she eases you further on her hips/belly, skimp roll of her groin creasing the fabric under your bottom blehhhh AND THE BUTTON OF HER FLY POKING YOU DELICATELY AUGHH.
tries to keep the conversation ordinary— but her voice, her fucking voiceeee would be so nasally and lush with dry scoffs, "pshh— please, you probably don't know the first thing about 'the turning'." when all she wants to do is flip your body plumb to the mattress and bury you in it with soft, wanton nibbles weaving through the bare/revealing bits of your shirt, to have you giggling and bucking when she ruts her frame through the gap of your spread thighs n' envelop herself in the plush skin, to leave an impression with the tight jam of her fingers fondling said plush fat on your flesh, pretty little raw marks, lovely hidden traces of how fucking bad she needs to take you. ♡
sorry like. ellie x reader starting a relationship in jackson is literally my empire i need to write a whole fucking drabble book on it (or fucking finish tps LMAO) also this angelgbc pic AHHHHHH (dunno the direct source but pls lmk so i can credit)
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also update on knight!ellie fic it's going smooth but because it's the prologue it's sooo lore heavy before the romance and tension actually begins to bloom BUTT LIKE heyy!! slowly leads up to some romantic n dirty smut scenes in other chapters!!
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liamz-spacetrash · 9 months ago
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INFO CARD MASTERPOST
KQ credits: @cleverperfectionstrawberry
Rogue Kinger and writing credits: @obamerzslop
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(Their finally done)
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pomribs · 10 months ago
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"but athenas kids are supposed to have blonde hair and blue eyes!!" but the movie brunette adaptation didnt have half this uproar golly i wonder why... the whole athenas kids being blonde thing doesnt even play into the story at all and retconning it changes absolutely nothing. it was fine when the movies came out, its fine now that the show is out. dont be a coward and admit you dont like black people if u wanna hate. if leah was white you would be so quiet rn
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sunniewr · 8 months ago
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violetlichen · 5 months ago
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1 like = 1 prayer that Ewan Mitchell never gets his teeth altered in any way
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caninemoji · 30 days ago
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beau arquette ✮ 6’2” photographer, model, and local animal shelter volunteer because apparently spending time with my own dog isn’t enough for me. self — proclaimed baker of the best banana nut bread you will ever eat and probably taking a nap right now. come say hey @comfiue (:
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foxgod · 1 year ago
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❤️ 𝐻𝑒𝒶𝓋𝑒𝓃'𝓈 𝒩𝒾𝑔𝒽𝓉 ⭐
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rain-in-numbers · 2 months ago
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I'll fuck you eventually, doll, relax. Let me be a little mean first...
This is about wlw/sapphic/lesbian sex
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scriv3lloirl · 21 days ago
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Transexualism...
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ningsheglam · 1 month ago
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tag a few moots and assign them and yourself an idol duo ⭐️
TYSM FOR THIS!!
@nishimurrdoll chaewon n yunjin
@sxgarhan definitely moka and YUNAH
@awwriri xinyu and sohyun!!!
@dollfacedb1tch yunjin and eunchae
@madmaknaez and definitely wonhee and iroha<3 and wony and Liz!
@florichae iroha and YUNAH!<3
@wonysmiu wony and Liz! Or iroha and wonhee<3
Please tell me if I forgot you!<3
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astralnymphh · 1 year ago
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i want to eat ellie's nose ass nose nose ass nose
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