#winions as in the actual wind ones

[diddykitty746]

For Day 16: Mthology

BEHOLD!

The great wind god Aeolus!!!

(Specifically @gigizetz 's design for Aeolus in Epic: the Musical)

@clownartmonth

[madrone33]

Number 1 Rule of adapting the Odyssey into EPIC is: if it can be more dramatic, it will be more dramatic.

The Greeks decide to throw the infant Trojan prince from the walls because they're scared he'll try to avenge his family? No, Zeus comes down to personally give Odysseus a vision of being killed and says his family WILL die. Kill the baby that reminds you of your son right now, it's the gods will.

Odysseus goes to greet the inhabitants of an island and gets trapped in a cave for two days by the cyclops that's eating his men one by one? Nope, we got BOSS BATTLE 30v1 in the Ithacans' favour until BAM fourteen pancakes are made by Polyphemus' club and oh shit Polites is DEAD-

Athena is just vaugely absent for the whole journey until the end? We got emotionally charged platonic breakups instead, with yelling and insults and "well I'm breaking up with you FIRST!"

Smooth sailing to Ithaca? STOOOORM-

Odysseus' great-great-great-grandfather giving him a speed boost to help him on his way home? Get ready for trickster wind gods, mischievous winions, and a game that was rigged from the start.

Random-ass suspicious and greedy crew mates open the bag? It's Eurylochus, his second in command, his brother-in-law, the man he trusted, Eurylochus WHYYY

Parking in the wrong harbour and getting boulders thrown at the fleet by angry man-eating giants while Odysseus backs away veeery slowly? Nah Poseidon himself pulls up to dunk on them, and Odysseus has to make a last minute getaway using the power of STOOORM to avoid being curbstomped like his fleet.

Odysseus gets some stronger drugs from a god to make him immune to the other drugs of a goddess? Well these drugs actually give him magic powers which he uses to engage in a Pokémon/Yu-Gi-Oh style BOSS BATTLE!

Get some closure with dead loved ones and acquaintances, and be the first interviewer of the fallen heroes of past ages? Nope, we just got TRAUMA and a whole boatload of guilt!

A neat outline of what the rest of the journey will look like, a warning against an island of cows that will slow him down, and the way to appease Poseidon? This Tiresias just says "Y'know there used to be a world where you made it home, BUT I DON'T SEE IT NO MORE. IT'S GONE. IT'S OVER. Also, your palace is fucked."

Sailing past the sirens while getting to be the first mortal to hear their song and live? M U R D E R

Sailing past Scylla to avoid Charybdis and accidentally getting six men eaten because he thought he could totally take Scylla, even though Circe said he couldn't, and then he realised he, in fact, cannot take Scylla? ... Eurylochus, light up six torches.

Eurylochus waits till Odysseus is out hunting and then goes behind his back to mutinously rally the crew and feast on some sacred cattle? Betrayal on both sides, stabby stab, K.O., and then Odysseus helplessly watches them make the greatest mistake of their lives as they ignore his pleas.

Quick clean and easy lightning-strike to the ship, leaving Odysseus to cling to some driftwood and paddle away? Zeus himself appears to the mortals, monologues, makes Odysseus be the one to choose, and then smites the whole ship leaving Odysseus to nearly drown anyway.

Telemachus gets advice from a disguised Athena to yell at the suitors and then sail away to look for news of his missing father? Telemachus gets into a full on beatdown with the suitors and gets FIGHT CLUB TRAINING from Athena!

Athena goes "dad I want my favourite mortal back? Did you forget about him? I think you forgot about him" and Zeus instantly replies "nonsense. How could I have forgotten that funny little mortal? Of course you can have him back my sweet favoured child <3" and then Athena skips off to Ithaca? "Father please-" "LIGHTNING BOLT! ANOTHER LIGHTNING BOLT! LIGHTNING BOLT TO THE FACE HOW DARE YOU ASK ME OF SUCH A THING!"

Poseidon does a double take "wait they let him go?? Oh hell nah!" and then sends a giant fuck off storm for Odysseus to swim through until he reaches the Phaeacians? No, Poseidon's just been there on Ithaca's shores, waiting for eight years, now get in the water BITCH- except Odysseus is just like "oh yeah? Fucking FIGHT ME"

You thought the suitors in the Odyssey were bad? Jorge really just said "dial that shit up to ELEVEN"

[marieisnothere12]

Things that happened in Epic: The Musical that differs from the Odyssey

Okay so spoilers for both obviously you have been warned. In addition, I dont remember everything so feel free to correct me or add smth you noticed!

Polites (Odyssey) dies bc of Scylla or Zeus’ bolt, not Polyphemus. He is in fact one of the men who gets turned into pigs.

Eurylochos (Odyssey) actually fucks things up—like a lot. He opens the wind bag and it was his idea to kill Helios’ sacred cattle. There might be other things but I cant remember.

Posidon never confronts Odysseus he just kinda messes with them but it’s not that direct. What occurs instead is a bunch of men die bc they literally went to the land of the giants (i cant spell their proper name so, canadians—get the ref?? Also, the giants couldve been norwegians. Confused? So am i)

Both winions don’t exist the lotus eaters are just ppl that are high asf

Also about Open Arms, instead of what happened there a bumch of Odysseus’ men got high and he had to drag them out

Songs 21 and 22

The distance between Troy and Ithaca is roughly 644 miles or 560 nautical miles, not 600 but I get why Jorge chose 600 i mean “644 miles of open sea” is a mouthfull

They stay at Circe’s island for a year, not like however long they did in Epic

Odysseus is CLEARLY faithful to Penelope in Epic. I say clearly bc Homer doesn’t know what r4pe is so it doesn’t help us (in the Odyssey, consemt w/ Circe was questionable depending on whos translation you’re reading and theres the telegony but Calypso was r4pe no doubt abt that)

In the Odyssey, Odysseus actually talks to the dead (his mom, Achilles, Agamemnon, Patroclus…) but in Epic they cant see him

That’s all i can remember rn and we still gotta wait for the Thunder Saga. All in all, Jorge did a good job adapting the Odyssey. I mean what’s fun abt the mythos is that it changes. I actually enjoy changes with the myths. However, like Mr Jalapeño himself said, “The Odyssey is cool expecially if youre in school.” DONT SUBSITUTE EPIC FOR THR ACTUALLY THING OKAY

[punkfistfights]

it’s me again and i’m here to rant about how people hating on eurylochus again.

the WHOLE POINT of the test of the wind bag is that the crew’s trust of odysseus has been shaken since polyphemus. they fully trusted him prior but after he led to the deaths of several of the crew members and then let the cyclops live, they’re not sure how they feel anymore.

and odysseus wasn’t going to tell them what was in the bag. but the winions gave them an answer, even if it wasn’t a true one.

eurylochus wants to get home to ithaca just as badly as odysseus but he wants to do so without the risks odysseus takes! and his concerns were just shut down and now odysseus may be lying to him (and don’t try to argue that odysseus would never lie to eurylochus, he is literally famous for lying to reach the goals he’s after) and his trust is shaken and he…makes a mistake.

should he have opened the bag? ofc not, but the deaths of those men is not solely his fault, they’re primarily odysseus’s fault for revealing his name and address to polyphemus after refusing to kill him. if he’d either killed him or kept his mouth shut, poseidon wouldn’t be after him and none of those men would’ve died to him.

and with regards to circe, the difference between him wanting to leave those men and odysseus sacrificing six men to scylla is that eurylochus didn’t know if those men could be saved! he likely actively believed they could not since neither him nor odysseus know magic and why should he believe odysseus could change her mind when the last couple of times odysseus has tried to change people’s minds, it’s lead to 557 men dying?

eurylochus isn’t innocent and everything isn’t odysseus’s fault but the opposite is also true and the demonization of eurylochus and woobification of odysseus is actually starting to drive me mad

[dkmbookworm]

Question for epic the musical community. I know there’s a lot of discourse regarding who was more at fault in the Eurylochus vs Odysseus, but the main point I’m most conflicted on is.

Would not opening the bag have saved them from Poseidon?

We know the big reason for the storm was that it was Poseidon pulling them further away from Ithaca or at the very least messing with them before their confrontation. Jorge even mentioned that you can hear some of Storm’s theme in Ruthlessness showing that he was the cause of it

When Ody goes up to Aeolus in ‘Keep your friends close’ they make the deal that if he can keep the bag closed they will get home. And the assumption we as an audience are operating under is that if Odysseus makes it home he will escape Poseidon’s wrath. However, do we know that would actually happen? Aeolus promises that “you will get what you’re yearning” but how do we know they’re not using genie logic here? Who’s to say that yes he will get home and see his family….right up until the point Poseidon comes. He could very well be speed running to ‘Get in the Water’ and be forced to choose his life or his family and kingdom.

We even see within the song that Aeolus cannot be trusted. After all one of the winions ends up interfering with the deal by planting the idea of ‘its treasure’ in their heads to sow discord amongst them. @anarchy-lives-eternal even points out how there can be a double meaning to the line ‘i give the fire enough to stay burning’. Wind helps fan the flames and similarly they are stoking the flames of distrust within the crew.

It’s the whole point to Eurylochus being wary of making contact with the gods because they are such fickle creatures. They don’t care about them in a meaningful sense, they are pets or pawns at best. Their sufferings are entertainment, “games” for them to play at. To keep alive so their favorite show will continue.

I don’t want to place the blame solely on Odysseus here, it’s a complication situation. But too much is being lain at the feet of Eurylochus. The whole point of these stories is the tragedy of human error in messing with such larger than life forces. They love and care for each other but it is continually tested throughout and ultimately they became weak to their greatest faults.

[girlinthetardis04]

(NOT SO) LIVE OCEAN SAGA REACTION!!!

This is my favourite saga so be prepared for me to be insufferable.

Storm

Hmm, the trumpets....AAAGH, THOSE VOCALS OHFDRYHDIUFF.

"This storm's our final fight" 😬

STOOOooooooOOOOOOOooooooRM

The wind instruments for Aeolus's islan- wait...wind instruments...wind. Ugh

SKYYYYYYyyyyyyYYYYYYY

Luck Runs Out

I almost never listen to this one 😐

"How many floating islands have you seen?" USE YOUR BRAIN EURYLOCHOS, USE YOUR BRAIN.

Ugh, he called him "friend" when Odysseus had always used "brothers" to refer to the rest of the crew, and the only one who used "friend" was Polites. 😭

POLITES I MISS YOU 😭😭😭

"I need to talk to you in private" 😊

Ok, this pisses me of so much. YOU CAN'T DISAGREE WITH YOUR CAPTAIN/KING IN FRONT OF THE REST OF THE CREW!!!!!!!!! Every song I hear makes me want to fist fight him more.

He said "thank you" the same way Polites said it at the end of "Open Arms" I'm AAAAAAAAAA

"What the fuck were you thinking, Eurylochos" 😠

Keep Your Friends Closed

Oooh, whimsical!

Aeolus is so mischievous, so very :]

WINIONS!

SILLY WINIONS!!!

BAD WINIONS!

Eurylochos, I don't hear you agreeing with your captain, what's that all about? 👀

"Everything's changed since Polites" FUCKING STAB ME JORGE.

(Also it took me that lyric to realize Polites was dead 😬)

OH. OH. FUCKING GREAT. ITHACA WAS WITHIN SIGHT. WITHIN. SIGHT.

"Storm"! "Full Speed Ahead"! (Wait why were the Winions the ones that said full speed ahead?😅 Lmao)

The land of the giants! Laestrygonians mentioned!

I KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!!!! I DO!!!!!!

Ruthlessness

Oh. Oh boi. This song. This song is what got me into EPIC. Everyone say thank you blue eye filter 2021 snippet. I remember being SO PUMPED when I discovered it came out, I actually skipped the three sagas just to get to "Ruthlessness".

Damn those, Jaws shark attack staccato strings!!!!!! And the waves! The waveeeeeess!!!!!!!!

(Fun fact, this is the only song from EPIC I have memorized, backing vocals included)

"It isn't very often that I get pissed off" *loud incorrect buzzer*

So...many...animatic ideas...

Hey, is it just me or did I not hear a 'sorry' in that apology? 🤔

Oooh, we love dramatic irony!!!!

And callbacks!!!!