#what a w for the wincesties

[vanitasmagoria]

they really went and showed us dean fondly musing on his encounter with a mlm wincest larper couple and what they told him; how he doesn't "get what the story's about": "to have a brother who would die for you, well, who wouldn't want that?"

so. this is dean, reflecting the epic love story of sam and dean, through a canonically romantic lens:

[meatmensch]

it's really so crazy that a shit ton of people looked at sam and dean's intimate complicated relationship and said "they must be fucking." your brain sure did rot, huh? you just gotta equate a deep relationship with a sexual one? you're bummin' everyone out dude

[deanofsam]

aww it sucks that you hate cas so much, i'm a wincestie myself but i love him 😭😭😭😭 hes such a cute little dork and honestly i think he's cute as part of a poly thing w them

i wouldn’t say i HATE him… i’m just tired of hearing about him! like u know what… i don’t care about the gay angel who gets 15 minutes of screentime per season dude i’m here for the actual show aka the weird brothers (who would both shoot cas in an instant if it meant the other would live btw).

i don’t mind wincestiel but it’s not something i seek out just bc i think the wincest bond is so much stronger than cas’s bond with either of them… feels a little pointless imo but that’s what blocking tags are for! i don’t have to see it and ppl who do want to see it can :)

no hate all love ❤️ i just sigh exhaustedly every time he pops up on my tiktok feed or slips through a blocked tag on here

[laf-outloud]

Hayley made her account public again. And she had these gems up when she did:

supernatural is such an insane show to watch if you have even a single ounce of media literacy because i truly don’t even think they knew what they were writing half the time but they sure were writing it!!

So she's admitting that the writers DIDN'T intend for any of this crap she's spewing and that she's making it up because "i HaVe A dEgReE iN mEdIa!!!"???

i will never be over the male siren for dean omg

So after claiming she had a degree in media literacy or whatever, she COMPLETELY ignored missed the fact that it is literally said IN THE SHOW, ON SCREEN that the only reason his siren was a male was because it was HIS LITTLE BROTHER. JFC. That communications degree clearly involved zero media literacy.

She also had these to sum up her mess yesterday (which, as a shock to exactly no one, she blamed on wincest shippers):

getting hate for being a destiel shipper on a thread about lack of media literacy and DEANBENNY is so on the nose i couldn’t have come up with it if i tried 🤣

Wait, was it "on the nose" or did you use your "media degree" to write a whole BS thing about parallels??? Because if it was soooo on the nose then you wouldn't need to write up whole twitter threads "proving" your point.

the problem with having your tweet seen by more than your usual 10 or so mutuals in the spn fandom is that the w*ncesties will inevitably find it and then you have to read the dumbest takes you’ve ever seen in your entire life

No sweetie, those takes were YOURS. You made some long ass thread pretending to "analyze" the show but you were actually just trying to "prove" Dean is gay/bi. And then when you got called out (because your take was bad and also you waved around a degree that was basically for communications and not literature like you claimed, Hayley) you went private and only then did you feel comfortable calling out the "wincesties". YOU, Hayley, made it about shipping which pretty much immediately invalidates your whole point because THE SHIP ISN'T CANON.

https://twitter.com/boldlyhayley/status/1772660835053166975 https://twitter.com/boldlyhayley/status/1772797041711735086 https://twitter.com/boldlyhayley/status/1772703767533658571 https://twitter.com/boldlyhayley/status/1772817973004140589

Truth!!!

It's obvious that Hayley doesn't have even a single ounce of media literacy. But let's blame the "wincesties" (i.e., people who watched the show as written) for trying to educate someone who's proven they can't understand media in its simplest form.

I don't know if Destiel rots people's brains, or people who already have brain-rot ship Destiel, but I either have to laugh or scream the more I see and hear from these nutters who believe it was canon (but also that it will totes become canon in the reboot!).

[soft-pine]

all the sam stans being Big Mad at my notes document and throwing around accusations that i manipulated the data for some reason or other. meanwhile, i'm just reading through their comments like oh did i miss something. lemme add it.

Except you're blocking the people pointing out where your inaccuracies are?? So you don't actually care about that?? And I know at least one isn't even a shipper! They don't ship anything on the show.

Also big yikes on saying you aren't biased and then making a post about how the big bad mean Sam stans and wincesties are rude? You're literally showing your bias right there... The hellers and Dean stans are praising you because your info is so heavily skewed in their favor btw.

again. i get to block people who are being rude to me. and as i said in the previous ask, i have gone back and added some stuff from their comments. someone said i had sam asking dean for advice about girls being not gender policing and i literally moved it (though if you're paying attention, you'd notice that the way the formula works means i wasn't even counting that toward the total #s). but yeah. i am still working on this.

i also never said i wasn't biased. of course i am biased. many of these tabs are only focusing on dean because, while things of that nature happen to sam in the show, that's not my focus. But what i said and what i maintain is that i am trying, to the best of my ability, to have the data be accurate especially in the points where i'm comparing them. and i really am open to constructive feedback. but EG "you dont even understand being gay because dean slept with women and liked it" isn't constructive or true bc i am gay and was literally in a straight marriage for the beginning of my 20s so like i actually do understand being gay and fucking someone of another sex and having a complex relationship to that. and that's the main post most people are reblogging and liking.

and AGAIN. W*NC*ESTIES are being rude wholly and completely because i have a DNI for them and my pinned post explains why and i've made multiple posts about it but i will say AGAIN that i am a survivor of incest and I. DON'T. WANT. TO. FUCKING. SEE. IT. and there is no moral obligation for me to do so.

[dyouknowwhatimean-archive]

what is the last post's tags referring to LOL i assume its wincest and ive never watched spn but am wincest by proxy of being besties w wincesties

what last post? i just fired a few in a row sorry. the tags about interacting with someone who interacts with someone who- blah blah blah are in the wincest poll in the ao3 top ships tournament and according to my spn 2021 fandom excavations they're not exaggerating in the slightest. the tags about dean not keeping his eyes on the road are about style by tswift

[valleydean]

there's a bunch of people going thru the tags of the poll bc I said I didnt know what the other ship was but the art was cool and had my post reblogged w a really condescending remark about how it was my mistake and I could fix it by watching that show... like thanks, now I really dont want to watch it

god i remember when wincesties used to be scary. now they're like "oh haha let's make sure they don't win a tumblr poll. let's troll tags and leave hate anons. let's not even put our name on it." they used to hunt destiel shippers for sport. now look at them..... a shell of their former selves. a tiger that has been declawed. it's sad, in a way. and they think they're the one who gets to kill me?

[ihatedean]

I found your account through a mutual of mine. They sent the ximboland posts to me and I thought it was funny. Ximbo sam is a confirmed wincestie. From what I know about MOJ Dean he probably thought that it would be funny as hell to marry Ximbo Sam. Afaik Dean ships megstiel but started the malewife Castiel bit because people kept asking about him on his profile. I don’t think he ships wincest as he has said in private server that “they argue about supernatural ships respectfully and talk about headcanons”. So I don’t think he’s a wincestie but he probably doesn’t care about the ship at worst. He is a Sam stan though as is Ximbo Sam. So that’s probably why they get along.

lmao i just saw this because of your other anon. (i shan't post 💞 we never know💞but oh my god 💞)

i love that so much. hope they continue terrorizing the whole site w the winchester failmarriage<3

[quietwingsinthesky]

samifers dni are the funniest but there’s also the w* dni ones like alright buddy idk what to tell you, I don’t ship it but I do follow the wincestie beliefs, so I guess I’m your free pass

[liamgallaghermpreg]

Have you been to an spn con? If so how was it

Yes, I have! I went to DC a month ago with @laurasashtray and it was 100% worth it. Not only getting to meet up w my online friend which was so special but the con itself exceeded my expectations. We only went one day (Sunday) and I think that helped, bc the whole weekend is on the pricier side and may have gotten repetitive bc the con is small, but one day wasn’t too too bad, and we fit a lot in that day.

Other than meeting J2M and Ruth, being able to sit in the Impala and handle the props from s12 was the coolest part. There was a little vendors hall, and then just meeting up with a couple of our wincestie mutuals and grabbing drinks w them was a blast!

There’s something really special about being around a bunch of people that are passionate about the same thing, which is what makes single-fandom cons so cool.

Obviously bc the strike is happening the actors couldn’t even say the word “Supernatural” let alone answer questions about the show itself so our panel experiences were unique I guess in that we got to hear more personal stories than show-related ones, but after 18 years of a show it’s cool to hear different stuff. But yeah got lucky that the J2 + Ruth panels were on Sunday bc we mostly just wanted to go to those.

For me at my age it was worth it to meet the actors I wanted to meet and that was special; I’ve never bothered to buy a photo op at a con before ever. I understand it’s pricey though, and I think the con still would’ve been fun without it! But yeah if it’s in your budget, photo ops w J2M very quick but very nice. Jared is an AMAZING hugger. Ruth was a more casual table selfie/auto and she was so sweet and chatted with us for a bit.

Sorry for long-winded answer! TL;DR I had a blast and would go to another one, but only for a day! Don’t need the whole weekend unless you’re interested in other panels and the concert, I guess. I don’t think I’d find Gold or VIP or whatever it’s called lol to be worth the money when it’s all recorded tbh and I didn’t feel I lost anything by having to sit in the back of the panel hall. If I am in a place to afford an M&G bid though I may try that in the future haha

[bradycore]

sorry long ask feel free to ignore. what i see way more than actual w* samblogs are samblogs who just have somewhat close proximity to w* circles. like 0-1 degrees of separation. which makes some sense given that a decent amount of sam centric (or even just... sam-inclusive? sam-as-character-not-adulterated-through-destiel) content comes from like bibro types and just ppl who don't aggressively block for suspected wincestie leanings. just normal dissemination of content i guess. but it does cause one to rub elbows with people ur average destiel stannie would consider war criminals. the whole thing with samblogs Being wincest shippers gets into tired old "adjacency crimes" stuff, but tbf it can also be annoying/distressing to have a samblogger rb something of yours and in a few hours your notes are filled with w* types who probably wouldn't have seen the post otherwise. just my too sense

yeah that makes a lot of sense! and “even just… sam-inclusive?” is kind of what i was trying to get at. blogs who just treat sam as an actual character might be seen as sam-centric by people who are used to ignoring him, and that might be part of why they decide most w* blogs are sam blogs.

i think the other thing i wanna note is that like. AS a samblogger i get w*ncesties in my notes sometimes and it IS annoying and distressing and it’s partly just because i have followers that have that 1-2 degrees of separation that obviously i can’t screen for just from their blog. and i follow and/or am followed by dozens of sam blogs who are just as anti-w* as the people who go around saying “why are all the sam blogs w*ncesties”.

we SHARE your annoyance and distress. there’s usually no reason for it to be aimed at us instead of the actual w*ncest blogs, and if the sam blog IS too close to those circles for your liking, curate your content and block them. i fully agree that sam blogs tend to have less degrees of separation from w* than say hellers, but it’s still incredibly frustrating as a sam blog to constantly be associated with it, because that association is still inaccurate! you know?

sorry for the rambling response, and i appreciate you sharing your thoughts :)

[moedoodleofficial]

your post about w* is so real… i like examining the canon abuse they suffered or that it was implied they suffered, and the dynamics that pop up from that type of childhood, but i can’t even allude to it most of the time without people who actively Ship it trying to celebrate it. like. what. i’m trying to examine the horror and the trauma and the tragedy of the story. like other types of violence and abuse this is something that actively harms real life people, and this deserves to be treated with care and proper warning and actual respect for people who’ve gone through this

What I love is this is a very kind message but you had to send it on anon bc the fucking wincesties are that bad. If I had any active followers they would be putting out a hit on me as we speak.

[quickreaver]

@hello-starlingfics, I think you're spot on. This pollsnatural account is actually about fanon, not canon, and a very particular fanon at that. If one looked at what certain quadrants of the SPN fandom call "canon", it doesn't even slightly resemble the actual show. Which is cool! This is why we have endless and fertile fanworks even tho the show is long over. But at least don't be deceptive about it. I was talking to fanbuds about shipping and the "third-wheel" concept in the SPN fandom, and seems to be that wincesties usually don't treat Cas like the proverbial third-wheel; they either ignore him altogether or utilize him as they would any other additional character in the canon. But because Sam is so difficult to extricate from Dean's life, D/C shippers frequently third-wheel Sam to minimize his importance w/o eliminating him altogether. They turn him into a feature to point out how embarrassingly in love Dean and Cas are (in fanon), but I guess what grinds my gears as a Sam girlie (gn), this often gets asserted as canon because they purposefully don't bother to note the difference. And they know it pisses off Sam fans, which is exactly what pollsnatural wanted. Until they got it, lol.

Feeling spicy today...

So you got this "SPN fandom polls" account that gives no shits about any sort of earnest outcome; all they want is to block Sam fans and "win" any poll that frontlines Dean, Cas and Destiel. Like, why not just make all your polls Destiel-centric and distribute only to Destiel shippers, if what you really want to do is pretend Sam doesn't exist? Oh, wait, it's to piss off Sam fans and start ship wars. Ahhh, okay. What are you? Twelve? This one is particularly hilaribad, given that canonically, Cas is the third wheel. Literally, anyone that comes between Sam and Dean is eventually third-wheeled, once the show's writers are done with the drama, but Cas was third-wheeled in text. On the show. Like, legit. We gone done knew that a good chunk of D/C shippers think third-wheeling Sam is adorable. It's all over their fics. But does it really feel like actual success to win a rigged poll?

If you've gotta cheat to win, you aren't really winning. Go write your fics, my babies. That's what they're there for. You're not gonna change canon, as much as you try. Alternative facts? Yeah, nah.

[yyoati-cas]

Me: spn is such an enjoyable show to watch! It’s not always good... but I LOVE the characters and the overall plot and motw episodes are fun! I don’t think it’ll be very hard to watch 15 whole seasons!

Inc*st subtext: hey :)

Me:

[youlooklikeasixtiesqueen]

jesus christ

[rapidhighway]

You know you reblog stuff from wincesties, right? (I'm not telling you this to give you grief, but to point out that just because someone ships something problematique, doesn't mean that's all they do or that they're a bad person. But I get not liking the ship.)

Uh there probably are some and so what, I'm not gonna go through everyone's blog just so I can rb a ten word text post that isn't even about that. Also I've never said that? Yall think a dni in bio is like a callout post about how w shippers are evil or something? Don't get so defensive I just want to be left alone and do my thing man