#jade watches spn

[sam-winchesters-gay-lover]

i watched house of wax the other day and i can definitely say i was not expecting the incest subtext. much less from two different sets of siblings

[weebeestie]

Like I know on the one hand, some people are so jaded from years of being called delusional and getting booed for even asking questions vaguely related to Destiel that hearing Jensen address a question like that respectfully, and to go as far as to call Castiel's romantic feelings explicitly text and not subtext, is enough on its own.

Nonetheless...to me his answer almost entirely confirms that Jensen views it as unrequited love. The strong implication is that Dean sees, understands, and accepts that Cas is in love with him, and that he is okay with that and comfortable with accepting how Cas feels about him even though he doesn't feel the same way. It still has that vibe of like...yay us for not making macho bro Dean feel icky about being friends with a gay guy. Which doesn't feel great, but I guess is "progress" in the context of how certain things have gone both in the show itself and in the meta context of fandom over these many years? It doesn't need to be acknowledged or "resolved" because both Dean and Cas accept that Cas is in love with Dean and Dean loves Cas platonically, but they both care so much about each other that they are content to just let it be. The "resolution" was their naming and accepting of that subtextual dynamic, which is now out in the open as "text." This is what Jensen's answer implies, and why according to him there is nothing left to say.

I feel conflicted about this because on the one hand, I think Jensen has proven himself to be supportive and respectful of Bobo's vision for this story, and at the end of the day Bob Berens scripted Castiel's feelings for Dean as unrequited. I know there is division about this and maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but I truly think that's how Berens wrote it in "Despair." The bigger, unresolved questions for me are still whether that choice was made because TPTB explicitly prevented them from having it be requited, and it was an unhappy compromise rather than a first choice; and whether any continuation of the story would be creatively handcuffed in this way or given more freedom. The whole thing is of course complicated by the fact that the relationship is imo very much NOT written as unrequited within the context of...well...the entire show since season 4, but simply within the script of 15x18. A conundrum for sure.

Ultimately I don't blame Jensen for his answer which I think threads the needle pretty well given what we know.

But also...I will absolutely not be watching any continuation of SPN in which Dean and Castiel's relationship is presented as unrequited. There's no point in telling more of a story that's already been "resolved." Fix it, or let the dead horse lie.

[jinx-on-mars-19xx]

A Hunter's Beast Tamed

Not Natural ✨ The Devil's Trap ✨ Holy Water ✨ The Demon's Altar ✨ Midnight Meeting ✨ The Hunter's Trap ✨ Sharp Secrets and Bloody Blades

Dom x Colson (Yungblud x Machine Gun Kelly)

Warnings: SPN inspired, ABO dynamics (knots, slick, heats), demon Kells, hunter Dom, blood, lots of it, somehow survived death sex, intense sex, insults, teasing, slight body worship, needy desperate boys, Dom being a brat, Kells trying to be careful, threats, d/s dynamics, begging, sweet moments, blood tasting, boys in love who won't admit it ⚰️ rating: explicit

They weren't sure who was more overwhelmed in the moment, fight or flight induced adrenaline was pumping the blood through their veins in overtime and while they were both mostly healed, crimson was still dripping from the devil's throat. Dom could swear if he focused he could watch the skin knitting itself back together but he couldn't keep his attention on any one thing. "Now?" He finally prompted when Kells didn't move, it was hard to do anything else but stare.

"Spoiled bitch." The demon teased but if anyone was it was him. He always gave himself whatever he wanted but normally his cravings didn't come with as many possible downfalls as the omega's perfect cunt seemed to. If he fell into it he might never come back out.

"'Ere a magic word or summat?" Dom huffed, wrapping his thighs around the beast's hips loosely as if he could pull him in. That monster cock was ghosting his cloth covered core and he needed more. He needed everything but he didn't want to be too vulnerable. Maybe he was spoiled a bit already, he hadn't even thought to remove his boxers because he knew his partner had magic but the beast's next movement was to shove his hand under the boy's ass to grip the fabric tight before ripping. Dom squeaked, he hated making such a shocked noise but his lover was always surprising.

"You could try a fucking 'please' once and a while. Shit kid, you drive me insane." The demon growled as he tossed the tatters of wet fabric to the floor. Jade eyes were wide and intent on him, pupils blown. He wasn't used to being seen, watched maybe, but for the first time he felt seen.

"I jus' almost died. Be nice and fuck me like a good boy. I don't gotta say 'please'." Dom purred, smiling up at him. With them both naked though everything felt more real. More intense.

"Yeah and yet I already want to kill you." Kells grumbled as he worked a trail of kisses down the human's blood soaked neck. Neither was sure whose blood was whose but they were drenched. His teeth bit gently over the kid's thundering pulse but the thought of hurting him made the monster sick.

They both reached between them at the same moment, Kells wrapping his palm around the base of his dick and Dom grabbing at the crown. Nails scratched gently and he shuddered but most of his focus was locked on the knot he felt throbbing under his touch and the heat radiating off the boy's core. "Shiiit- I got it. Let me." He tried to demand but he didn't have any real control of the situation. No, he was giving in to his primal instincts and that scared him more than almost anything. If he hadn't just watched the Hunter die he'd say it was the most frightening.

Dom whimpered, pulling probably a little too roughly at the beast's cockhead. The problem was they were both working at different angles and he was far too tight. Kells tried to push himself down and the punk tried to pull him up and it just ended with a slip n' slide and a growling monster. "Get your fucking hand off."

"No."

Kells arched a brow at the kid and tried to still his trembling body. "Do you want me inside your pussy you petulant little bitch?"

Dom huffed and rolled his eyes but his belly flipped as a fresh wave of slick escaped him. Fine. He could play good boy for a moment. "Could've sworn 'is was supposed to be beautiful."

Dom's blood, slick, and precum wet palm slapped against the demon's spine and his blunt nails clawed up his skin. When he reached his shoulder blades a jolt of electricity shot through Kells and he trembled, his hips jerking forward before he could stop it. The human gasped when his lover slipped in the first few inches, the stretch and burn was immediate, but the glide was almost easy. Dom wouldn't admit it out loud but there was something about using their own blood as lube, the fact it was soaking almost every inch of their skin, that made him feel even more wild with lust.

Kells pulled his knees up under his omega's perky ass and pressed his elbows to either side of his shoulders. His fingers tangled into the boy's dark hair and he let himself do something he'd never enjoyed before the Hunter- he kissed him. Those lips were what he had to imagine heaven felt like, pillow soft and pussy wet. There was a warmth to them and a taste he couldn't describe. The kid was sweet but not like candy, it was a sweet he hadn't tasted in centuries. There was a fresh flavor to sugary treats before the industrial revolution. Dom reminded him of sun warmed baked goods and sugared fruit. Their tongues met and he groaned deep in his chest, almost squeezing his lover too tightly to him.

The boy squirmed, his cunt quivering around the devil's cock. He needed more. He needed all of it. Kells got the hint and pulled back with a gasp, trying to fight deeper inside. He could tell the human was barely breathing but he hoped it was more from pleasure than pain. The omega was still thinking 'more' on a constant loop so he obliged, pumping his hips in slow circles. Every inch deeper stole his breath and made him dizzy- the demon was feeling more human than he ever had before. Of course it took a bratty virgin and his needy tight cunt. Strong thighs gripped his hips, heels dug into his ass. The kid was still scratching at his shoulders but he tried to ignore the constant thrum of energy there. It was nothing. "Fuck-" Dom's voice was high and thready when his dick jerked deep and he paused his thrusts.

"Good or bad?" He rasped, he could feel his throat healed but it still didn't work quite right.

"Shut up and-"

"No. Look at me baby? This is a lot." He tried to soften everything but he couldn't control how hard his cock was or the fact that his knot was threatening to pop.

"Pretty egotistical of yas ain't it? I can take you." Dom slurred but his voice was thin with strain.

Kells didn't think it could be called narcissism if he was right but he was trying to stop their bickering for once. "If you want to talk like we're an old married couple you're going to have to fucking wife me bitch." Well… after that comment he was trying to stop the fussing. "It's not ego Dominic. You might be an omega but that's still almost ten inches for your first time-"

"Second."

Kells huffed and rolled his eyes at the interruption, he still didn't exactly count their first playdate, but the boy would see after they finished. After he was fucked raw and sloppy and could feel Kells in his guts for days. Then he'd know. "-second time. I'm trying to make it good. Now shut the hell up and let me make you scream."

He could literally see as Dom's pupils blew somehow wider and his pillow lips parted on a whine. The hold around his waist loosened and finally the boy nodded before taking a shaking deep breath. Kells couldn't reposition himself, he couldn't bring himself to touch the kid any less, but what he could move he did- rolling his hips back slowly. They both moaned as he sank deeper, the pace wasn't as fast as Dom had felt desperate for but as he felt himself adjusting around the demon's rock hard length he knew the bastard knew best.

"So fucking tight." The beast growled, his elbows digging deeper in the mattress until he was all but doing some bastardization of a pull-up into the Hunter. Their sweat and crimson drenched chests glued together and popped apart with every plunge and Kells could feel himself sinking deeper. Deeper. So fucking deep.

The most surprising thing the demon discovered as he worked to take the boy apart on his cock was that Dom went quiet in his rapture. Not vocally quite- fuck no. He was whimpering and whining and making these gorgeous grunting noises that sounded like he was mid-fight, which only served to make the monster need him somehow more. But inside? For the first time since he'd started stalking the brat, Dom's mind was peaceful.

The Hunter stared into storm cloud eyes and swore underneath the sex and blood he could still smell ozone. The air felt like the moment before a lightning strike and it struck every nerve he had in the best way. His cock was twitching where it was pressed almost too tight between their bellies but he barely cared. All that mattered was the way his inner walls clenched around his lover's dick and the shocks of pleasure that shot through him with every pump over his spot. The demon's crown caught against it, he was right about being long but fuck, he was thick too and his pleasure center felt swollen with need. "F-fink m- I'm close?" He stuttered, his voice barely above a whisper and the beast had the balls to smirk.

The sound of their bodies slapping together almost drowned out the kid's voice but Kells could always hear him in his mind. "Ya think?" He purred, tracing a fresh scar on Dom's cheek with his tongue. The skin tasted hot and coppery and it sent a shiver down his spine.

"F-fr-frea- mmmfuck!" Dom whined when he couldn't seem to insult his lover. His body shook, his lashes fluttering fast. He knew he was scratching too hard at the demon but he couldn't help himself. For the first time in too long he was truly letting go. There was a coil in his belly pulling tight and hot, a pressure building with every roll of their bodies. His cheeks flushed pink at whatever noise he was making but he couldn't care. He felt truly alive and he wouldn't waste a moment of it on shame. Something else brushed his folds, a new stretch trying to fit inside, and his eyes flew open. "Wha'- wha'- Kells?"

Kells buried his face in the Hunter's wild hair for a moment, he wasn't hiding but… maybe he was. He knew he wasn't alpha anymore but his dick was trying to act like it. Probably just a residual thing after healing the boy. He knew it wouldn't inflate completely though- that was impossible. "Ignore it. Enjoy it. Fuck just-" He didn't know what he was going to explain but he didn't have to, Dom spoke up before he could finish.

"It's yous." He mumbled and the demon groaned, his pace picking up hard and fast.

Dom cried out when he felt that something extra push inside him and pop back out. It was intense and almost overwhelming but he was far enough into his rapture for it to be heaven and besides, it meant his partner wasn't holding back. "Take me- take me so- fucking- good!" Kells grunted between thrusts. He was almost bending the human in half but he couldn't stop. He could feel that tell tale zing down his spine and his balls felt tight. "Mine." He accidentally moaned and that was fucking it.

Dom didn't think he would shatter so easily but that word tipped him right over the edge. He'd deny it forever but he needed that, he needed to be claimed. Even if it wasn't for long. He felt himself jerk and spill hot between them, easing the glide even more but the overwhelming part of his pleasure was the way his core tightened and his slick gushed, trying to escape around the demon's throbbing cock.

Kells felt the moment his omega broke and the wet grip of his pussy tripped him over too. He tried to keep moving but he couldn't, the boy was too tight to pull out. He found himself grinding deeper, his knot bouncing against quivering folds once, twice- "Oh fuckme-" His voice was a gravel growl as he felt their bodies lock together. How was he supposed to explain that?

Dom screamed his rapture as a new pressure pressed at his walls. Rope after rope of white heat filled his womb but they still couldn't separate at all and he was surprised how much he didn't care. He felt too good. He felt complete. "Kells." He whined softly, trying to keep the demon close and calm. He could feel he was just as shocked, maybe even more so. They had plenty to talk about but none of it mattered. They were alive. They were safe. They felt so fucking good. They could figure everything else out later.

Kells didn't know what any of it meant but the human was too addictive to care. Too calming. He wanted to seal their lips together and never come up for air but he settled for gentle pecks and exploring licks until he thought his boy could handle more. One thing he did know was what he'd said accidentally so he repeated it on purpose, whispering "Mine." as they rode out their pleasure. The other shoe might drop later- hell it might even be a steel toe shit kicker but for the moment everything felt perfect and if the devil focused he thought he could hear another demon throwing an absolute bitch fit from the pit.

Author's Note/Tags: @iamnotanearthlingmotherfucker @hollywoodxwhore @jaxbreaker @fenoy7 @cole-way-iero28 🖤

Hope this was all you wished for! It's obviously not the last time and if you ask Dom it's not the first but at least they're connecting, even if it's bitchy 😂 Why is Kells body acting like an alpha if he thinks he isn't? How does he have angel powers? Does Astaroth have any more claim over Dom? Did they just start a war? Is it safe for them to do this? Keep reading! Thank you ⚰️🖤

[watchingspnagain]

Rewatching Criss Angel Is a Douche Bag

Welcome to “Abracadabra or Whatever: A Supernatural Rewatch Blog” with Lor and Mace!

Up today, s4e12: Criss Angel Is a Douche Bag.

“The boys investigate a series of strange deaths at a magic (as in tricks and shows) convention, and they may have met their matches in three seasoned and weathered and jaded and not-to-be-underestimated veteran magicians. It turns out that one of the trio of old friends has discovered Real Magic and is using it in a bid for immortality. Will his friends choose living forever with him or to doing the Right Thing? LOTS of parallels here between the story of the three magicians and our two brothers, weighing lifestyle choices and doing what is right vs what is easy, dying young while fighting the fight or trying for a long life. Maaaaybe the writers of the last episode should have revisited this one? *sigh*”

Below is a log of our real-time reactions as we watched. Remember that there may be spoilers for any part of SPN’s 15-season run here. Note also that the nature of our conversation is adult and thus it may contain adult language and themes.

[and we begin:]

Lor:

Lance needs to drown in his drink

Mace:

Yep

Mace:

that is the mayor of NYC, sir. Show some respect

Lor:

lol

Lor:

okay, the dude on stage *is* a jerk but it's not because of his eyeliner. his eyeliner is lovely

Mace:

Ha!

Lor:

byyyye, Lance

Mace:

So sad

Lor:

Tears in my beer

Mace:

snork

Mace:

he may be a douchebag but he’s a cute one

Lor:

right?

Lor:

omg Dean's eyebrows. and then Sam's face!

Mace:

YES

Mace:

“It was a phase” yeah, right, Sammy. It’s okay - own up to your hobby

Lor:

yeah, it's okay, Sammy, we won't judge. show us your tricks

Lor:

I love that Dean is OFFENDED

Mace:

yeah

Lor:

oh, Lance's name is Vance. improves nothing

Mace:

I see no difference

Lor:

exactly

Mace:

Dean fits right in with the old dudes

Lor:

aww, Dean and the old dude

Mace:

adorable

Lor:

HAHAHAHA

Mace:

YES

Lor:

did they just send him to nowhere?

Mace:

of course not they’re good dudes

Mace:

he’s gonna touch something

Lor:

always

Lor:

oh wait is it the BDSM dude?

Lor:

yep

Mace:

oh has there been a misunderstanding, Dean? Has there?

Lor:

yes HAS THERE?

Lor:

the only misunderstanding is that that's not the Dom he wants

Mace:

omg sam and those rolled sleeves

Lor:

YES

Lor:

and now his hands in his pocketsesss

Mace:

YES

Lor:

aw, lookit the Lying Brothers

Mace:

they’re just scamps

Lor:

"we con people for a living, son"

Mace:

YAS

Mace:

“rings and doves and…rings”

Mace:

smooth, Dean. Smooth

Lor:

aw, he's still all flustered. not on his game

Lor:

omg anytime they do a hovering inanimate object like this is just makes me laugh

Mace:

snork

Lor:

oh hello Dean's hands with the ring

Mace:

YES

Lor:

oh boys

Mace:

ooof, Dean “I hope I die before I get old"

Lor:

someone please hold him

Lor:

ooof the way he says "Sammy"

Mace:

yeah

Lor:

omg Sam cross your arms like that more often please

Mace:

YES

Lor:

omg the peering around the corner together

Mace:

YES

Lor:

um, boys

Lor:

do they really think tying him up is going keep him?

Mace:

snork

Lor:

"guess we shoulda seen that one coming" correct, Dean

Mace:

yep

Mace:

i love the parallels between these old magic “brothers”

Mace:

and sam and dean

Lor:

YES

Lor:

"everything he owns is in this room"

Lor:

well that resonates with the boys

Mace:

yep

Mace:

there are parallels between what Sammy’s doing with Ruby here, too, and Dean’s sense of betrayal

Lor:

YES

Mace:

Fuck 932

Mace:

“what’s the price tag on immortality”

Lor:

ALWAYS

Lor:

omg Cocoon

Mace:

HA

Lor:

maybe someone could cut down that one stranger?!

Lor:

THANK you

Mace:

HA

Mace:

he’s fine

Lor:

it's good to know that he can strangle for minutes and be just fine but a little rebar to the back noooooo

Mace:

well, he may have had some conditioning with the minor strangling earlier in the week...

Lor:

snork

Lor:

the parallel stick is out again

Mace:

yep

Lor:

oh Sammy don't reject Dean's offer to get a beer sads

Mace:

right?

Mace:

ooooof

Lor:

man that was another really good fuck 327 right there

Mace:

YEP

[pussypopstiel]

this is going to be kind of a complicated thought, based on the post u made about spn being this nihilistic jaded view of spiritualism that treats gods of other cultures as monsters to kill. i completely agree, and i wanted to add that this is exactly why (as a jew) i get soooo frustrated when ppl insist that supernatural is a jewish show. i am not trying to absolve the jewish creators of the racism they displayed in making this show at all, but i think they use racism in a very culturally christian way. the show is so culturally white christian to me when i watch it. it doesn't feel jewish. it feels protestant. (again, the jews who made this show are racist!! absolutely!!!! but. this show is so fucking christian)

Oh i understand completely. It is a very culturally christian show, i think most of the ppl who say its a jewish show imo know the show sucks and try to reclaim it somehow. Still it absolutely is racist in the very American culturally Christian way.

[lakemichigans]

hey i'm back to clear things up, i was just so quick to get my thoughts out i didn't think to properly explain them

i wanted joel to seem more dramatic was what i meant. yell leave and then turn his head to the side bc he can't look at her go, or smtn like that. idk maybe i'm too hung op on this i'll rewatch the ep tmrw to see if i still feel the same

i liked the funnier in her head line too, but the fake bite was soo cute

ok fedra time this is gonna be a long one lol. i totally got what why ellie was saying those things, it's more so about the "rules" of the show. yk how every piece of media has it's own rules about the world and how the ppl in it are allowed to function. ex if someone other than the main cast shows altruistic intentions they're hiding something (spn), everyone lies for their own benefit to some degree (house md), the people can't rule themselves (got) etc. the rules of tlou (so far at least) are that there can't be an uprising without one firm hand who has clear and realistic end goals which happen to coincide with the morals of the writers. no one firm hand and no realistic goals means the fireflies are idealistic and ineffective. the morals don't coincide with the writers and no clear end goal means kc is brutal and senseless. it's not so much about these specific groups, but what they stand for. further examples for the fact that the people can't rule themselves. (ps jackson has council representatives which is called council communism and again proves the point that in the world of tlou there need to be people who make decisions for the majority)

i totally got the type of crush you were explaining for riley, i was just lacking the feeling like the actress was actually about to blush and then try to hide it and then lovingly look back etc. idk this one is really personal i think

sorry this was so long and i also hope this doesn't come off as me arguing i'm really happy just to be sharing my thought with you <3 excited for next week!

i think it's just up to personal interpretation! maybe i'm just not looking into it hard enough, but i felt that since this is a TV show, they can only focus on a few characters at a time. even if they wanted to show us a positive society without any sort of leader, it would be difficult to follow the story if we were bouncing around through a whole bunch of people, each with their own lives and ideas about the world they live in. it's a cool idea that i would happily watch, but it wouldn't fit with the (mostly) linear story they're trying to tell here. like, it was much easier for them to give maria this sorta-leader role because then she can be used for plot purposes and exposition about jackson. and there's always going to be some element of politics involved in apocalypse stories, but tbh covid has jaded me because i saw so much selfishness and greed arise from that, to the point where i'm burnt out and uninterested in the government systems and i'm much more concerned with the individual stories within. i probably should care more considering this show is so popular and definitely has an impact, but.... idk. maybe someday i'll rewatch and skip all the emotional scenes so i can focus on the rest of the show's message!

i think where we differ is that i like a more subtle type of acting. overacting is much more egregious to me than underacting. if joel had been sobbing or screaming his head off i would've been like.... 🤨 also it's worth pointing out that riley is a bit older than ellie and she's getting ready to do this very adult thing (essentially being deployed for war), so she's not in the same headspace as ellie is for most of the night. ellie is excited that her best friend just came back into her life, she's doing all these incredible fun things, and she's got butterflies in her tummy ;-; but riley knows what this night is really about. she's just trying to give ellie a good time, she's not focused on her own feelings yet. if everything had gone as planned, riley would've walked ellie back to the dorm, left boston, and then probably would break down and feel all her feelings when she's alone. i don't think she ever expected ellie to kiss her or for their relationship to go past friendship, so she didn't even bother getting hopeful about it. it's possible that i'm projecting a lot onto riley because this is exactly how i act when i'm interested in someone lol. sometimes i over-correct so hard that it seems like i don't like you at all, let alone feel romantic feelings towards you 😭

but either way i love talking about tlou in any capacity so please always feel free to share your thoughts!!!

[sarahthehorrorlvrr]

Get to know me!

Name - Sarah!!

Age - 17

Hobbies - reading, writing,drawing, doing makeup,

Likes - sushi, painting, , pop culture, watching films

Fav movies - fight club, scream franchise, midsommar, the shining, studio 666 <3, the Lost Boys, the craft, scary movie 2 & 4, Harry potter franchise, the conjuring, Friday the 13th

Fav tv shows - supernatural, victorious, gravity falls, shameless, stranger things, south park, the umbrella academy, YOU, bojack horseman, never have I ever

Fav color - purple and green!

Music taste - Nirvana, Alice n chains,Pearl jam, foo fighters, the smashing pumpkins, DJO, Soundgarden, the strokes, Alanis morrisette, the offspring, mötley crüe, Eminem, Metallica, Harry styles, Niall Horan, Sabrina Carpenter,

Fav fictional characters - Castiel, Dean, Jo (spn) lip, Fiona, Mickey (shameless) Jade, Trina (victorious) Klaus, five, Diego (the umbrella acad.), stan,wendy (south park)

[yyoati-cas]

head in my hands ‘This Cas keeps looking at me weird.’ ‘So kinda like the real Cas.’ | ‘You asked “What about all of this is real?” We are.’ | ‘Okay, Cas, I need to say something’ ... WHY LAMP

[bi-john-watson]

bbc sherlock is my favourite sherlock holmes adaptation, not in the way that it’s qualitatively the best (not by a long shot), but in the way that I find the queer potential and the relationship it has with its fanbase the most compelling …

[coffee-creature]

I love how when Sam ran away while chugging down demon blood, Bobby was all “Us finding Sam... It’s gotta be about getting him back, not pushing him away” and Dean was all “yeah, sure” and then a few hours later he was all -

nailed it!

[221btardisimpalawithloki]

this url was a joke and a punishment and then i got into spn unironically and. :/ now its 2012 again and im still the same "im glad youre having fun but i wont be watching that" person that i was at the time

[compass96]

I know it won't happen. I really really do. Don't make me hope guys. I've never hoped for canonicity before. I was just fine with it being fandom only. I don't want to hope and get disappointed. The magicians did that to be with Queliot and it still hurts to this day but I've loved it for almost a decade now. If I hope and I'm wrong, it will really crush me.

[charcubed]

Okay... committing the extreme sin of actually acknowledging discourse and salt, but fuck it, I would like to say this.

Bitching about how Dean and Cas didn’t get to kiss, especially in an industry where m/f couples are able to kiss after only 7 episodes: valid and understandable and correct, we live in a heteronormative society of double standards for media

Bitching that John and Mary “get to kiss already” when Dean and Cas didn’t: you are not seeing the forest because of the trees

The former point is part of what this show is fucking saying, precisely through the very effective, unsubtle, and repeated Destiel parallels. Part of the reason the show exists AT ALL is to convey that very concept.

Like... if you don’t get this show is deliberately commentating on and critiquing the ending of SPN, then you’re not understanding it!!! Or perhaps–whether or not you're watching it (🙄)–you're doggedly approaching the existence of this show with unfounded wariness in bad faith!!!

I get that people were wary when the show was announced, because I too was not immune to being concerned. I shitposted with the best of them. But now? We're seven episodes in. We've seen that this show is very loud and consistent with its themes, motifs, and veritable verbal bricks that Dean Winchester himself beautifully lobs at our heads to make sure there can be no confusion about some of the key takeaways and lessons. He's leading all of us to water and some of you are actively refusing to drink it.

This show isn't being shy about what it is. It takes a special kind of jaded to look at such content that’s speaking to you, vindicating you, and essentially say “this is probably mean and designed to hurt me for reasons I don’t know yet.” It's very evident to me that being angry at the Supernatural franchise is now a sport, and some people are trying to win it, when in reality that is simply loser behavior.

And my thing is that people will lob around words like bait or clowning or being wary, or whatever the fuck, and I'm like... what are people wary OF? Literally what! WHAT is the expectation here, whether good or bad? Some people are bitching as if they're afraid of getting burnt but like ??? how? What is the fear here!! There is none!!!

Are we afraid that John and Mary, as Dean and Cas parallels, are gonna die? Sorry, we know how that goes! Are we taking this as promise Dean and Cas will show up on screen together in episode 13? Well, whoever is implying that or believing that with sincerity is playing themselves because there is no earthly logical reason to expect that at this juncture.

If everyone could just pay attention to the text of a show on its own merit then maybe we’d have world peace. This show is promising nothing specific in any sense–other than surprises and music and Carlos being fabulously reliably bi–and therefore there is no "bait" (for the love of God) and there are no "hopes" to have that could then be dashed. It’s the most low stakes watch ever. Either we get pleasantly surprised by various things or WE KNOW THE TRAGIC END. Every week is just a fun little gift, to be taken on an episode-by-episode basis!

So it's the journey that matters, not the destination, and it also turns out that that journey has been designed to be filled with unexpected depths. They did NOT have to make this the ever-spinning wheel of Dean mirrors show with new reflections every episode! They did NOT have to provide gleeful parallels to Destiel to repeatedly emphasize how romantic Destiel was from start to finish throughout their story! THEY CHOSE TO DO THAT. And it’s like some people can't conceptualize all of these parallels and all of the mirroring can be on purpose, and to a purpose, while also... [checks notes] not promising explicit Destiel content. (Because why would you think that it is?)

It’s almost like the team involved with this especially Robbie Thompson have something to say, like Dean, and are saying it via the avenue available to them. This show is validating us around constraints and having fun along the way. But perhaps the prerequisite to understanding that–and not approaching any of this in bad faith–is knowing and acknowledging the fact that those constraints exist at all. In other words: if you're a person who still blames "the writers" for the fact that Dean and Cas did not kiss, for example, then the forest you are missing is the heteronormative society that media exists in and the censorship that limits it.

The m/f couples get to kiss when sometimes the m/m couples don't get to not because the writers are mean but often because the people who limit the writers are. This show is playing into that, taking John and Mary through some of Dean and Cas' greatest hits–and I suspect it will continue to do so after the kiss, obviously–in order to say If this is romance, then so is Destiel, in case you somehow missed Cas' confession or doubt the love is reciprocal. If John and Mary get to kiss, so should Dean and Cas. And that, amongst other reasons, is why it's so much fun.

You're not pointing out a fault in the show by clocking that. Dare I say you're fucking using the show the way it's meant to be used, and calling bullshit on SPN's ending the way it wants you–in every capacity–to call bullshit on it. Which is why Dean is narrating at all.

Plus, as Robbie Thompson helpfully says in this interview:

When we first got together in the writers room, it was obviously top of mind when you’re dealing with a show that’s a love story. At what point do you want to really show them take that leap? We always knew we were going to have a winter break or midseason finale of some kind, and it felt like from a dramatic standpoint, that was very quickly on the board as it felt like the right place to put it.

And then it was a question of, “Why this moment?” To your point, obviously, life-or-death moments have a tendency to exacerbate things… The fallout of that kiss is something that we’re going to play for the rest of this first season. You have those moments where you’re swept up in the moment, and it’s like, “OK, here we go.” And then it’s like, “Oh, wait, the world didn’t end. OK. Now what do we do?”

Or, to put it simply:

The romantic moment that happens while the characters are trapped in a room while a threat bangs against the door should not be positioned as the end of a love story. Because there's more story to tell.

Anyone who’s actively repeatedly bitter about this show's existence (whether they’re watching it or not) is choosing to give themselves a bad time at this point. There’s no legitimate reason at this stage to be bitter about what this show is doing. If you wanted the show to suck, then I regret to inform you that ship has sailed because it is indeed quite good. And perhaps... if you are determined to be cynical or bitter about it in the corners of the internet or on the posts where people are enjoying it... you could consider Not Doing That.

[mishasminions]

The Last Time I’ll Write a Long Post About Supernatural (15x18-15x20)

15 YEARS OF WATCHING THIS SHOW. 11 YEARS OF RUNNING A BLOG ABOUT IT. IT’S BEEN QUITE A RIDE.

[15x20 Speculation + evidence at the bottom]

First off, I just wanna come clean and say, after all these years, I still think they should’ve ended at Season 5.

If you’re going to come at me with “Then why’d you stick around to watch it if you didn’t like it?”, your question is immature, and the answer is simple: I just want to know what happens next (I also love the main characters and their actors too). You can watch a show and still think it’s shit.

Call me a clown, but despite all the disappointment and trust issues that this show has given me, I would still look forward to the day where it might just turn itself around and bring back the quality it once had, or realize the potential of each story it was trying to tell, or at the very least, do justice by my favorite ship.

Never happened.

They’ve had a few good episodes here and there. I can’t imagine the SPN Universe without The Man Who Would Be King, The French Mistake, and Scoobynatural. Seasons 6-10 were enjoyable at times. I blocked out most of 7 & 11-15. 

If you’ve been following this blog since its heydays in 2010-2014, you’d know I’d try my best to defend Destiel and this show’s decisions regarding it no matter what.

Because you know what, as a CONCEPT, this show is good. If you take a look at all the worlds its storylines have birthed in fanfiction/fanworks, you’d see how much Supernatural has wasted its own story arcs. The writing got shittier as each season progressed, and they’ve obviously given up in production as well because the quality in the execution has noticeably gone down too, but if you take a step back and take a look at the bigger picture, you’ll see that this show still tries to make sense of itself.

[If you’re still following this post, please bear with me, I know this is long, but I just want you to understand how jaded and pessimistic I am with regards to this show, so maybe you can buy into whatever hopeful thing I’m about to say later on.]

SO LET’S TALK ABOUT DESTIEL

Never in my wildest dreams did I think that they would give us Castiel’s “I love you” speech. To the point where, if I weren’t so desperate for it, I would argue that it was completely out of character for him to word vomit the way he did (but I’m not gonna diss on that right now because I’ll take what I can get).

I’ve valued every meaningful and obscure exchange that Dean and Cas have had in the earlier seasons, and I was willing to accept their relationship as just that--undefined, without any clear boundaries as to what they really are. And I think that was beautiful on its own.

But now, they’ve chosen to define it.

After they’ve driven every possible wedge between Dean and Castiel in seasons 11-15, to try to explain away their feelings as something they offer to a collective.

Dean can’t mourn and pray for JUST Cas, he has to mourn and pray for EVERYBODY--even Crowley, even some chick he just met, because god forbid he cries about just the guy who has given up everything for him--that would be “too homo”.

They’ve even set Cas on a path to abrupt fatherhood just so he can care about something other than Dean. Make it seem as if Dean wasn’t his purpose through and through.

And after all these years of this stupid show trying to deny it, they choose to acknowledge it at the worst possible circumstance, at a time where they’ve been so far apart, that it seems so foreign for them to suddenly come together.

But here we are. And they’ve chosen to tell us.

Chosen to tell us that everything that Castiel has done leading up to his death, he has done it because he was IN LOVE WITH DEAN WINCHESTER.

Chosen to tell us that the ONE THING THAT WOULD MAKE CAS HAPPY IS DEAN WINCHESTER.

Chosen to tell us that BEING WITH DEAN WINCHESTER is something that CAS WANTS BUT KNOWS HE CAN’T HAVE.

And they’ve also chosen to tell us nothing about how Dean feels.

Sure, finding out your angel made a deal, the stipulations of said deal, his newfound happiness philosophy, his long-winded monologue of why he loves you and why you’re worthy of his love, and to top it all off he tells you that being in love with you is enough to make him happy while he subtly hints that he’s always wanted to be WITH you romantically, was a lot to process in the 5 minutes after you’ve just had an existential crisis.

It’s whatever, right? Let’s culminate 11 years worth of tension and feelings in 5 minutes. Let’s waste the entire episode with cringey expository dialogue, and irrelevant sequences. The whole season was a waste anyway.

You know what Supernatural? FUCK YOU FOR THAT. They deserved better. WE deserve better.

And I would love nothing more than to hurl every possible insult your way,

But for the last time, I’m going to HOPE that you’re finally going to try to make it better for the fans that stuck by you all these years.

No more baiting new viewers, no more placating casual viewers, no more excuses. 15 years. Bring it home for the people who have actually been around.

SO HERE’S HOW I THINK 15x20 IS GONNA GO

There’s two ways this series is gonna end. Horribly or Spectacularly.

First let’s all take into consideration what Andrew Dabb says about it:

So, let’s start with

ENDING HORRIBLY

In this scenario, Misha is telling the truth about his last day of filming being 15x18. His “camping trip” during the last few days of filming 15x20, was actually a camping trip. He doesn’t go to Vancouver to shoot.

Jensen wasn’t “being careful” during the zoom interviews that it was just him and Jared quarantining for the shoot, it really was just him and Jared (althought most of these were done pre 15x19) Supernatural isn’t smart enough to do misleading PR, and they’re once again oblivious to the potential of their own story.

Misha hasn’t posted a “Goodbye Castiel” tweet because he’s probably saving it for last episode or he forgot because it was overshadowed by the Destiel trend that night.

So what we get is:

Sam and Dean are on the road again, up against the monster of the week. Only their world no longer has actual Supernatural beings anymore, so the monsters they’re fighting are humans.

Humans end up killing the Winchesters (despite having gone up against literally every powerful being imaginable INCLUDING God himself). Dean and Sam end up in heaven and relive their greatest hits.

Meanwhile, Castiel rots in The Empty because he died after realizing that he was happy and gay. Jack doesn’t bother rescuing him—his surrogate dad, the guy who made this specific deal to spare him—even though it was so easy for him get Cas in and out of The Empty when he had a fraction of the power that he has now.

Dean never speaks of Castiel’s confession because despite all the hints of a profound bond in the earlier seasons, and the fact that Dean has never cared for anyone (who isn’t his actual brother) as immensely as he does Cas, Supernatural just can’t have its main macho character be “suddenly bisexual” because that would hurt the male ego or some shit.

His heaven would probably be living happily ever after with his family. “Family” meaning Mary and John Winchester--two of the shittiest parents ever (but they’re not going to include them in this episode like they were supposed to because of Covid) and Sam.

Sam also gets a dog. As usual.

I wouldn’t put it past Supernatural to do this. After everything they’ve pulled, this would be right up their alley. I actually expect this ending.

Anyway, onto the next possible ending

ENDING SPECTACULARLY

In this scenario, Supernatural tries to stick the landing, and Jensen’s whole “It didn’t sit well with me at first, but then I took a step back after talking to Kripke, and realized that I had to view it from an audience perspective, I am now really excited about it” (DC Con 2019) anecdote about his thoughts on the final episodes, were actually about Dean potentially ending up with Cas. (Which would totally make sense because Jensen at first didn’t see Dean as anything but hetero, but as of late, he has been throwing in Destiel jokes of his own, so he seems to have warmed up to the idea)

Backed with Misha’s tidbit (DLConline 2020) that he and Jensen had conversations about Destiel, and that they wouldn’t have gone through with it if Jensen wasn’t onboard with it, but Jensen didn’t push back at all. (Why would they need to check with Jensen if it was just Cas going all in?)

Robert Berens (writer of 15x18) also wrote the script at the beginning of Season 15, but made Misha privy to the concept a year prior (Season 14), so they went into this season knowing about Destiel going canon.

This one’s a reach, but this scenario also supposes that Misha was lying about his whereabouts during the filming of the final episode, and him saying that 15x18 was his last episode is part of the diversion to avoid taking away from the weight of Castiel’s death.

And that Supernatural is actually self-aware of its own material (similar to how they have wrapped things up in the past—lots of expository dialogue, poor execution, but fulfills the story arc)

Since Season 15 is basically a Meta Season (Chuck/God as a writer, pretentiously calling out how he created the worlds, its characters, and basically invalidating the past 14 seasons), and 15x19 is supposedly the finale for Season 15, written by two of the worst Supernatural writers, Brad Buckner and Eugenie Ross-Leming (Bob Singer’s wife), then we can assume that 15x19 is where the shitty writers kill themselves--as Chuck, of course.

So we get a badly written episode that produces a bad ending, or as Becky put it, “All action, and no Cas”

So we get the bad writers season ending at 15x19.

And 15x20 is where Sam and Dean write their own stories, and where the cast had a hand in pitching ideas for it.

Dabb has mentioned that 15x20 (Act Two) is a SERIES finale, where they try to resolve the characters’ journeys.

Because as everyone has acknowledged, Supernatural isn’t about the story, it’s about the characters.

So here’s what we can get out of it:

With no more Supernatural beings left to fight, Sam and Dean are in a stalemate. They’ve resigned themselves to fighting to the bitter end, but the “end” has passed, and they’re still standing.

So they try to figure out who they are now, and what they want out of the life they still have.

Sam still wants a normal apple pie life. Before Dean dragged him out of college to go hunting with him, he had a whole life planned out for him. Become a lawyer, settle down with a nice girl, and get a dog. He gave all that up because they had work to do, but now the work is finished, he can finally go back to wanting that for himself again.

Dean finally realizes his self-worth after Cas saves him again. His prayer to Cas in purgatory may have helped him come to terms with his anger, but the whole “you’ve done everything you did for love” speech finally put him in his place, and he learns not to hate himself anymore.

But of course, he cannot fully reconcile with himself if he doesn’t get Cas back, and tell him how he feels.

Because Dean actually wants something for himself this time. Something he knows he can finally have if he can just salvage it.

So maybe this time around, with the help of Jack (off-screen), Dean saves Cas. Grips him tight and raises him from perdition.

They bypass The Empty deal by turning Cas human, and he lives the rest of his days with Dean.

Dean and Cas know they deserve to be saved, and they know that they deserve to be happy.

(Wishful thinking, maybe they kiss a little)

Anyway...

I’m just saying, there’s NO WAY that they’d have Cas go through that whole rushed speech, if they weren’t going to do anything about it later on.

But again, after 10 years of disappointment, I wouldn’t put it past Supernatural to pat themselves on the back and say, “Okay, we sort of gave them what they wanted. We’re good now”

If that’s the case, Supernatural, I’m sorry I wasted my time on you.

Here’s to hoping 🤡

[louisdotmp3]

as a fellow 911 fan with years of experience in the spn hellscape the incredible faith and sometimes defensiveness of 911blr when it comes to buddie truthing and longcon is funny to me. like.... idk call me jaded but -_-

yeahhh. i mean the level of commitment & faith that some have to these showrunners, writers, fox, and disney is honestly impressive. eye simply think buddie is far from a foregone conclusion especially when kristen has very much said stuff similar to the wwdits writers in the past 6 months.

also this isn't a thing that happens in...the past? i understand nobody wants to compare their little show to supernatural and okay whatever, even more recently people Just got the rug pulled on killing eve. before spn there was the magicians.

& anyway i know people loved s5 and some have a hard time criticizing it which, cool, i had a great time watching it too! but it was kind of a mess, and not just 5a lmao. it doesn't escape my notice that promo before eddie breakdown had oliver saying they were finally going to talk about the shooting and that turned about to be a throwaway line to talk about the kid eddie saved. it doesn't escape my notice that they've never even alluded to the will, and all that's been said in promo about it is that kristen based it on her single mom and her mom's bestie. which is all to say idk guys !! i see the football on the field but i have no clue if they're gonna kick it. and looking back on s5 as a whole and how (mostly kristen) talked dealt with (or in this case, mostly didn't deal with) enormous buddie plotpoints from the s4 finale idk if that football will ever be kicked

[yyoati-cas]

‘You are Dean Winchester. This is what you do.’ he was going to meet a woman there and hook up with her! he sounds like he doesn’t want to at all what the hell is this show