#tw incel mention

[peculiaritybending]

This may sound dramatic to some and I don’t know, maybe I am being “too deep” about this but I personally find the “bi girls like nerdy greasy gamer boys” stereotype disturbing considering the level of abuse bisexual women face. Making it a silly little funny stereotype that bisexual women are more likely to date incels and therefore advertising them as an option to these sorts of men greatly sickens me. Especially since it seems to a be a narrative pushed by people who are not bisexual women/fem presenting bisexuals and often only gets perpetuated and joked about by bi women & bi fem presenting individuals when they’ve already been exposed to this idea. I don’t know, I just think it’s very dangerous to push a demographic with high levels of abuse towards men who often tend to be abusers.

[femkel]

my honest reaction after hearing my social studies teacher say that we can't blame priests for sexually abusing literal children bc it's "wrong to deprave men of their sexual urges"

[tenpixelsusie]

women who go onto reddit forums to complain about other women not wanting her. i guess. what else do incels do

the amount of ppl who call reagan a femcel is actually kinda funny i'm ngl. hashtag girlpower i guess but like. you think she's a femcel?

[viktoriaashleyyx]

ACOTAR is red pill content.

Tamlin is written in the way incels view a "Chad." Which is why SJM does take the time to say how beautiful he is and all the stereotypically gentlemanly things and then destroys his character to show, in the end, all Chad's are abusive assholes. "Women only want Chad's that will treat them like shit, [incel self insert] would treat them so much better!"

Rhys and cassian are oddly written as "Nice guys" yeah they've both SAd their women but "he had a reason to" and "don't forget he's ALSO a victim of SA so what he did to you should be forgiven."

SJM Dramaticizes the men's SA (at the hands of Amarantha and Ianthe) but justifies the women's SA at the hands of the male charaters because "they are traumatized too." It's giving "Men are victims of SA too!" as used to divert conversations when a woman is SAd.

This explains why she wrote RhySAnd SAing Feyre in the first place. It's put there to belittle women's experience with SA.

I'm not saying she did all of this on purpose, I don't think she's smart enough. I'm saying this is a heavy self insert and it shows what her true core beliefs are.

SJM is a pick me.

[gacha-incels]

from all the info I’ve seen, it appears during the Limbus Company “new user/returning user event” (mainstay for gacha games, incentive when they want more users and need more users to return) their incel fans (majority of who’s left in KR) searched for anyone returning after protesting vellmori’s firing last July. they found one user, posted her info on their DCinside forum page, and she was harassed enough that she attempted suicide (I won’t be posting photos of this here but her self harm photos have been uploaded some places).

this incel panopticon has users who even agree with them so paranoid they’re posting stuff like this

these guys just get worse and worse. I don’t even know what to say. I hope the woman who had her info leaked is doing okay and can get out of the incel target range. I’m not sure what kind of benign or pastoral image westerners have of the project moon fandom in South Korea but this is the reality. They’re really ideologically verifying fans now.

[thingstrumperssay]

People (right-wing incels) are upset by how Angela Orosco looks in the Silent Hill 2 remake. They of course poorly photoshopped her to "look pretty" with make-up and a suspiciously smooth face.

They photoshopped a suicidal domestic and child sexual abuse victim because they didn't think she was fappable enough. (At least the CSA is heavily implied. I can't remember if it was straight-up stated or not.)

[theasexual-jackson]

Allos are so fuckin weird about sex, wdym virgin is used as an insult?

[idontknowanametouse]

The major problem with proship, "don't like don't read", yanderecore, incels and shit like that isn't even the fact they are talking about p3d0ph1l14 or 1nc3st or mass murder or abusive relationships, but the fact they are treating it like a normal and ok thing.

If there's a movie or book or some shit that talks about these subjects and treats them as it should, showing the harm it does to the victims and how IT IS, IN FACT, a bad thing, it is not problematic. But proshippers treat that like it's not an issue and it's all ok

I read fanfic. I write fanfic. I'm not ashamed of that. I write and read stories where the characters suffer different traumatic experiences, but I would never, EVER create/consume something that propagates those terrible things as "positive"

As an example: lets suppose a character is tortured in the story. It is a traumatic, terrible experience from which they'll never fully "be over it". Now, imagine the story is written in a way that it makes the audience think they liked being tortured. It sounds absurd, and it is. That's the problem with the people I've said by the start of the post.

They romanticize things that actual people have been and are still hurt by and will never recover 100% from. And, thus, it propagates the idea that those experiences are not "that big of a deal" and that traumatized victims are "just not trying hard enough"

If it harms one, another should not treat it as it hasn't

[musical-chick-13]

Something I wish people would understand is that going "Well all men, literally every single one of them, is useless and evil and misogynistic and we don't need any of them" just means that. You will end up blaming women. If they get abused by men. Because you didn't need to involve yourself with a man, don't you know that all men are dangerous, what's wrong with you, what did you expect, this is partly (if not completely) on you for willingly cAvORtiNg with a man.

I shouldn't have to explain why putting the blame of abuse or assault on the victims is incredibly fucked up and unhelpful and just. Inhumane behavior.

Saying this completely seriously without nuance also means that you are essentially telling straight women (and bisexual women who happen to fall in love with a man, which, contrary to what people seem to think, is NOT THE SAME THING AS A STRAIGHT WOMAN!!!!!) that they cannot be trusted to pick a "good" relationship (silly girl, how can I believe you have any kind of brain in your head at all if you would fall in love with a man, the fact that you would dare to stoop so low means there's something wrong with you), and that whatever kind of relationship they have with their romantic partner in this context is inherently toxic and awful and meaningless.

Like. Idk y'all!! I'm tired of people making everything about men too, and people get waaaaay too bent out of shape by women bemoaning the patriarchy by making offhand comments about being frustrated by men. But most people do not actually mean "I hate every single man who has ever existed, they are all equally awful and dangerous to me and to every woman." And when people DO actually mean this, when it actually is a blanket hatred of every man forever, so much of the time it's just further used as a way to hate on women, and I wish we talked about that more!

[maepersonal]

hey!! :))))))))

daily reminder that you are not entitled to having a significant other!!!

if I have to listen to one more allo complain about their interest not being returned because of "society," I will claw my own skin off!!!! 😁

[demonic-shadowlucifer]

im already tired of the 'man vs bear' debate. it went from actually meaningful discussion about sexual assault and how men need to do better to just purposefully ragebaiting incels and nothing of actual value. and that's not even getting into the fact that the discourse only focuses on survivors who are cis women, and less focus on trans survivors, enby survivors (and even male survivors for that matter). hell, transphobes have already started to invade the conversation. we need less rhetorical questions about abuse, and more actual uplifting of survivors and actual education about abuse (for all genders for that matter!)

the man vs bear topic has done nothing to help survivors, and i will die on this hill.

[femkel]

bro I wish I lived in America so it would be sm easier to get a gun so I can shoot my brains out

[just-antithings]

www.tumblr.com/just-antithings/724301098778869760/

Hey og anon here. If memory isn't so fucked up I think the link was to a post were OP was openly celebrating and rejoicing at the murder of Brianna Ghey, a transfem child victim of a clear hate crime, saying how ""he"" deserved it for being a disgusting moid and straight scum and a agp pedophile in the making pleasing the patriarcy and blah blah terf shit. And a some point in the thread she started going of about how not only all men are horrible and deserve to die, but also saying the same for "OSA" Women (Aka any women that isn't a pure untainted Gold Star™ Vagina x Vagina Adult Human Female™™ Lesbian™™™), So unlike most radfem, who at the barest minimun kept shut up about the case or just said that this has definitively nothing to do with their movement and that they actually support and don't wish harm on "GNC gay boys", well dear OP here's not even going to pretent she has an ounce of human enpathy for a violently murdered queer child 🙃

Btw doing a 10sec search and her current handle is literally just @biphobia-central2 so you all can gawk and take a peak at how pure bigotry from a place of someone clearly hurting and extremely bitterful looks like and also do what you consider best

Fair warning and correction though, I said in my original ask that this was a terf, but that isn't true, she's not even a radfem. This person leaves very clear that unlike most radfems and terfs, whose main fundament it's the goal of "Protecting and Uplifting all Adult Human Females no matter what" she hates with everything other and any woman that doesn't suit her stardards, to the point that not only she doesn't care about them as living beings, but openly wishes them the worst, therefore she hates the radfem movement and doesn't include herself in it. So yeah, objectively this isn't neither a terf nor a radfem, just a "Lescel" Sexist, Homophobic and Transphobic fascist.

Which- I mean, thanks for the honesty at least I guess 🗿🗿

Honestly I appreciate that more than the way that radfems pretend in a saccharine way to love all women but will attack any of them that won’t step in line with them, at least this person is honest. But also massive yikes 😬

[spiderz-n-circuitz]

unfollowing one of my long time moots without any hesitation because they posted a big thing about why cheating is fine 👍

[kira-bennett]

I'm just going to rant about this here because whenever the topic comes up IRL no one bothers to actually listen to what I am saying and it devolves into people being condescending as ever-loving fuck to me. At least if I post it here I can pretend people actually care what I have to say, and get it out the way I want to say it without being interrupted, having jokes made at my expense, and being ridiculed for having issues of my own.

The concept of awkward, really forced methods of getting people to date, especially in east Asian countries, came up, and it turned into a whole debate about the loneliness epidemic. The key points that were used to justify these awkward methods were, 1. Well the people are not reproducing so if they don't do this the population and culture will die out, and 2. work culture (specifically in east Asian countries) makes it impossible to date normally.

In response to point 1, culture is based on how people are raised, not genetics. You don't have to have a bunch of kids to keep a culture going. Letting people who truly want to embrace the local culture move in isn't going to change the culture much more than it would over generations because every generation, even if raised in the culture, changes it in some way. It's why we can look back on previous generations like they were a bunch of idiots and assholes. Typically my point that reproduction isn't the most important thing in the world, and in fact, expecting constant growth is just capitalist bullshit, is met with "we have the resources, just not the proper distribution" and honestly my point to that is that you have to work within the system you are in, not the system you could be in. Still work towards those better systems, but plan as if there isn't going to be a miracle because change, especially on a global scale, is slow.

Point 2 is an interesting one, because the obvious answer is to improve work culture, and to do that, people are bargaining with the best chip they have, the future. If people are not dating and reproducing because the culture is hostile to that sort of thing, the people in charge will have to decide which matters more to them, the culture or the future/reproduction. These half measures of awkward, forced encounters is just an embarrassing attempt at distracting from the real issue. It reminds me of the 4B movement (which started in Korea but is gaining traction in other countries) where women have decided not to date or reproduce because the current conditions for that are not favorable. More importantly, these measures seem to have been working, as changes seem to have gone in the worker's favor. According to statistica, Japanese employees work on average 136 hours a month, or 31.6 hours a week (for context, the average in America is 34.2), which is notably different from the 147 hours a month (34.2 hours a week) that was considered average in 2012. An anti-karoshi law, the Work Style Reform Law (which capped overtime) was ratified on June 29, 2018. There are other changes that have been made, but I feel like I have made my point. This begs the question of why dating has gotten so much harder despite work conditions, the supposed cause of this issue, getting better?

This study by Japan's Gender Equality Bureau illustrates how, married women, even while working outside the home, do 77% of the household labor and women are pushed out of careers they enjoy because they have kids. Another report by the same organization shows that women report not wanting to get married because they want to maintain their freedom, and don't want to be burdened with childcare and housework. In that study, you will also find that the majority of divorces were caused by personality conflict, mental abuse, and adultery, with illness and financial hardship being the least common causes of divorce (a hard blow for the "women only care about good looking wealthy men" crowd, I am sure.) People around the world are refusing to have kids, as evidenced by total fertility rates slowing worldwide, so it only makes sense to look at this issue on a global scale, and I'm sure that, while the exact numbers may be different depending on the country, many women across the globe can relate to these statistics. What I am trying to get at with this is that, as women gain the ability to support themselves independently from men, but still face a disproportional level of violence and discrimination, it is no surprise that those women will shy away from dating.

This draws me closer to another point I need to make, and the reason this topic bothers me so much. We are Americans, having this conversation in America, and, as such, enter this conversation shaped by the cultural conflicts of western society. A common issue here is what is known as the "male loneliness epidemic" and the incel problem. According to multiple studies men and women experience loneliness at similar rates, but the media frequently talks about the "male loneliness epidemic" and what to do about it, but if men and women experience loneliness at similar rates, why does only one side's loneliness warrant a solution? Well, its the incel problem. A lot of men who don't have much luck in relationships resort to violence (Elliot Rodger, Alek Minassian, Armando Hernandez Jr., and Oguzhan Sert, are some infamous examples), some men profit off of promoting violence and abuse (Andrew Tate, Jordan B. Peterson, etc), and even more justify it. This misogynistic entitlement to sex has gone on for a while in American society (after all, it was legal to rape your wife in the US until 1993) and a lot of women are done. They can support themselves financially, trying to date could put them in contact with someone who will rape and/or murder her for saying no, and if they did get married they would have to do the majority of the housework even if they have a job. It is no surprise that women don't have much motivation to date men, and, if they do, some choose to engage with them in the same, disgusting, transactional ("I'll provide sex if you provide money") way the men that listen to Andrew Tate expect. Meanwhile, the men who seem to be having the most issue finding a date always blame women for "only wanting a 6ft tall, fit, 6 figure man" despite the fact that, if you just take a second to look around, most women are not exactly married to/dating the stereotypical "desirable" man. Most women I know are dating or married to someone generic as hell looking with an income similar to theirs.

The worst part about it is, these people are spouting these lies about "what women expect" or, if they are at least trying to cover their misogyny, "what most woman are told to want," but these things are completely divorced from reality. As someone who was born female and socialized as a woman (the fact that I don't identify as one seem to only be respected when I am agreeing with them, so I feel the need to use more precise language here), I remember being told by parents, teachers, and strangers to give men that made me uncomfortable a chance, date the guy who gave off school shooter vibes so (if he decides to do it) I would be safe, a decent woman can change a horrible man (so give the guy covered in red flags a chance), and many other horrible things that basically say "what you want doesn't matter, what he wants does." I don't know where they got this whole "women are told to only accept physical and financial perfection" bullshit from, but it doesn't align with my experience, nor does it line up with the experience of most women. I have done that in the pass, swallowed my feelings in hopes of making the creepy guy feel less alone, and it invariably led to violence and/or sexual assault, which is probably why this conversation sets me off so much. I have also experienced profound levels of isolation and loneliness in my life (try having your only human contact, for years at a time, be your abusive immediate family and tell me again how "I can't get a date" compares on the loneliness scale). I will never condone any argument where someone has to accept putting themselves in that level of danger just to make someone feel less lonely, and that is exactly what these people imply when they complain about women choosing not to date (let's not get into the misogyny of not believing the reasons these women actually give, as shown in the previously mentioned study, just to substitute your own reasoning. It's not like women can make logical decisions and voice their reasoning, right? /obvious fucking sarcasm). I am tired of being told I'm the one in the wrong for saying people need to stop prioritizing sex, dating, and marriage, over someone else pursuing happiness in a way that feels safer for them.

[ocnshit]

Sorry for abandoning Reggie like that I’m back now

Here have an angst animatic from my tiktok

TW: MENTION OF SUICIDE