#trumed discourse

[tiredfemininity]

I spoke about being detrans on tiktok and it went approximately like this.

Video: here are things I experienced socially and psychologically as a direct consequence of my detransition.

Commenter: you can talk about your issues, but you shouldn't like comments saying being trans is a mental disorder.

Me: one needs a F64.0 to receive transition-related treatment.

Commenter: that's transmedicalism.

Me: no, like, legally. Because you have to be diagnosed with something to have it treated.

Commenter: APA no longer considers being transgender a mental illness.

I felt kind of like speaking with a wall? I don't know, it's just, am I missing something or were they legitimately missing my point?

Anyways being trans is a mental illness, I'll be very persistent in defending that claim, there's a reason my old username is dysphoriaenthusiast.

[aropride]

there's a lot of aphoic "joke" posts that circle around from time to time and i don't trust ppl who reblog any of them bc even if they don't intend it to be aphobic the post was made as a way to make fun of us and de-legitimize our identities. like Why would u want to spread that around lol

[sophieinwonderland]

I think a lot of community infighting among oppressed people is manufactured by bad actors to destabilize the power we have in our numbers. It's a lot easier to divide and conquer, so to speak. If our communities are fractured and we're driving each other away over who "qualifies" to be in the community, it'll be a cinch to win people over to conservatism, either because those people were made into outcasts by their community or because they couldn't get rid of the "undesirables and fakers" and just decided it wasn't worth the trouble anymore.

The best part (for those manufacturing the drama) is that the only thing they have to do is sow doubt in a few places, and the rest is done by people who bought into the bullshit. We saw a lot of this during the ace discourse heyday, and it works so well that the pattern is almost identical across so many different discourse topics.

"X isn't really a part of our community. They're actually fakers. Even if they're not faking, it's possible for them to conceal their identity and appear as if they aren't one of us [often not by choice or because being open about it would be dangerous], which means they have privilege over us and are an enemy."

With the ace discourse, we got such gems as "aspec actually means autism spectrum and using it to mean anything else is ableist," and "asexules actually just means sexualities in Spanish, ignore the fact that the asexual flag is right there," among other things. And it worked. A lot of us aspec folks felt unsafe enough that we went back into the closet. It wasn't even until recently that I felt safe enough to come to the realization that I'm aroace.

I saw someone not that long ago chastising transgender people for marking trumeds on shinigami eye as unsafe because "well they're not entirely transphobic, just misguided," which I thought was ridiculous. If someone is going around saying, "transtrenders are stealing our resources, those icky trans people who make their gender their whole identity shouldn't get to sit with us," that person is being transphobic. Even if they wise up and grow past that hatred and internalized bigotry, and there's a lot riding on that "if," they're still not a safe person for a good portion of trans people to be around. Hence, the marking them as unsafe.

So yeah, that's my conspiracy theory. There's like a formula for this shit, down to the smallest detail.

Thanks for the addition!

This... weirdly reminds me of that anti-endo who was theorizing that endogenic systems were a psyop meant to sow division.

That's not an insult. I actually... kind of enjoyed reading that theory, even if it was totally wrong. (As a system who definitely has no trauma and is still plural, I can confirm that we're not a psyop.)

I just find it interesting how similar your minds work. 😜

But I mean, when it comes to conservatives, you're also definitely not wrong in many cases! There are some conservative aggravators out there who will adopt progressive language to disguise hate, preaching values they don't truly believe in to sow division. And I wouldn't be shocked if you were right about it happening in the ace discourse.

I have a harder time believing that it's happening in syscourse though, just because of how niche the community is. While I hope things will change in the coming years, right now, I don't think we're even on the radars of 99% of conservatives.

With the ace discourse, we got such gems as "aspec actually means autism spectrum and using it to mean anything else is ableist," and "asexules actually just means sexualities in Spanish, ignore the fact that the asexual flag is right there," among other things.

It's actually eerie how similar the playbooks are. The whole "Aspec means autism" claim sounds exactly like the "system hopping was stolen from RAMCOA systems" lie. I wonder if we're just destined to eternally repeat history in different marginalized communities.

But can I ask what the deal was with the Spanish one? I'm confused on how that was even supposed to be a gotcha or what the argument was there.

Again, thanks for sharing your thoughts. And let me also say that I'm glad the infighting with exclusionists has settled down enough that you feel safe being out. Hopefully that bodes well for the plural community getting to a point where it's safer for endogenic systems.

[mogai-angels]

My DNI list

DNI

Anti-MOGAI, Anti-LGBT, Anti-LIOM

Exclusionist (BaB, bi/panphobe, aphobe, anti-mspec gay/lesbian)

Anti-xenogender, anti-microlabel, anti-Neopronoun

N*zi, anti-semite, anti-BLM/ACAB, racist

Uses the term transracial as "identifying as a different race"

Terf/SWERFS/Radfem

Transmed/Truscum/Trumed

Pro contact people with nonconsensual paraphilia·s. If you are scared you might ab*se/hurt someone please search for help.

nsfw/ageplay

Proshipper

Ableist, Sanist, Autism speaks supporter, anti self-dx, fakeclaimer and transabled (except people with BIID or facticious disorder)

AntiMarsker/Anti Vaxxer

Anti Mad and Disabled Pride

Flop, troll and discourse accounts

Super Straight\Lesbian\Gay...

Thinspo, anti-recovery and any similar community. If you are in urgent danger, immediately contact a hotline, a relative, or a local emergency professional.

[straightforwardpolls]

pick the worst leftwing infighting/discourse to endure:

legality/morality of loli/shota, inclus/exclus, trumed/tucute, trans women are women, online prostitution, self diagnosis, slurcourse, or neopronouns.

[riseandshineace]

[xqueerneurosisx]

I don’t wanna ever see another one of you fucking hypocrites say “mIsGeNdErInG pEoPlE iS nEvEr OkAy~” a-gotdamn-gain. Fuck you!

[suicune-nonbinary]

More Zepeto things ~

(He/they/she)

TERFs and tru/meds, dni, and, since you're likely to ignore this, know that I won't respond.

This is meant mostly as a validation/positivity post, so please keep discourse donate out of the notes.

[spaesthetic]

Idk who needs to hear this but it's actually super normal and healthy for cis people to want to bend gender roles and/or avoid having them applied to them, and those feelings alone aren't a sign that transition is right for you or that you are a gender other than the one assigned at birth.

Gender roles oppress anyone who doesn't perfectly fit into male or female stereotypes, it's natural to want to break them. Also breaking the rules is just exciting and it's kinda fun to think that strangers are wondering what you are or that you're offending the people who don't want you to break the rules.

[tiredfemininity]

Shamelessly stolen from twitter,

What's my vibe?

[happytranniversary]

ppl are like BEING TRANS ISNT A CHOICE and im just. well not for you, maybe. and not for me. but like, for some folks it is??? and they're just as welcome to it? the whole point is to normalize transness and if folks are seeing that and going 'yeah that feels better' and choosing that... i dont have a problem with it. i refuse to withhold self-identification from anyone

[riseandshineace]

[cardentist]

I don't think its a coincidence that truscum and transmeds created the image of the "fake" trans man (who only thinks he's trans for clout) as hyperfeminine, trendy, and hypersexualized and pit them against "real" trans men (who were labeled as normal because they were masculine enough to be real by their standards) for literally years, only to then see trans masc communities openly rejecting feminity and softness as inherently insulting/infantilizing/othering.

That's not to say that people's own presentation is influenced by bad discourse, but its been over 5 years and people Still insult "uwu softboys" on reflex despite the fact that the term was used and popularized by trans mascs who were then mercilessly bullied out of it. We can't have positivity posts for gnc trans mascs without endless comments about how gnc trans mascs are totally valid but that we have to remember that that's not All that trans mascs look like that. That we have to separate gnc trans mascs out from the rest of them, even as we're trying to normalize them and ask for acceptance.

It doesn't feel like a coincidence to me that gnc trans mascs are treated as something other than trans men, as something separate that its insulting to be lumped in with, even as they're called valid and real

[soul-optics]

Tucutes get an actual argument that isn’t calling anything you don’t like terf rethoric challenge

[transmeds]

tbh i dont get the "its euphoria not dysphoria!!!" like yeah n u only feel euphoria cuz you have dysphoria. you only feel euphoria because you're uncomfortable as it is and because youve never BEEN comfortable with something before then. like euphoria goes away as soon as you solve what is causes you dysphoria. i fail to see how people who r like "euphoria <3" don't realize this. after a certain point of not getting misgendered at all, you dont feel euphoria about getting gendered correctly, you just feel comfortable, a sense of normalcy, you just feel you. not happy or euphoric. maybe euphoria can help you realize what you are, but it only does that BECAUSE you have dysphoria.

[enbycourse]

I feel weird using she/they/he pronouns now because of cis people who use she/they- I used to like using all pronouns bc I'm trying to figure out my gender but I've literally heard she/they girls say they just go by they pronouns bc they want to prove gender is a social construct

Proof that using pronouns (gender indicators) as an accessory is harmful to real trans people